Utility Cycling - Full Chaincase

OK,

Does anyone know where I could buy a full chaincase that will fit an English 3-Speed bicycle without removable seatstays?

I hear there are modern plastic ones that will work, but I have not found any with a google search.

I am no help, but do you want a full chaincase just for the looks? I have a vintage roadster with the chaincase and all the trimmings and I could tell you its a bit of a pain. The newer ones are probably more user friendly, but do you really need one? IMO, if you used a normal chainguard with the Raleigh sports or Raleigh clone design and the paint matched the frame, it would look really good! Maybe its just me though.

I am no help, but do you want a full chaincase just for the looks? I have a vintage roadster with the chaincase and all the trimmings and I could tell you its a bit of a pain. The newer ones are probably more user friendly, but do you really need one? IMO, if you used a normal chainguard with the Raleigh sports or Raleigh clone design and the paint matched the frame, it would look really good! Maybe its just me though.

Partially to protect the chain, partially to protect my pants, partially for the looks. Partially because I really want an old roadster, but am not in an area where I am likely to find one, and can not afford to buy one off ebay or from England. And one hundred percent because I want one.

Yes, I know they are fiddly, and a pain if you have a flat (notice that I knew the old ones require removable seat stays). I kind of thought that the Utility forum people would be the most likely to know of a source.

Well, some of it seems to be using different terminology. "Chainglider" came up with this:
http://www.hebie.de/html/en/detail_schuetze.php?id=0350

It will not work on my 46 tooth chain ring unfortunately. I will continue trying to find something that will.

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The Urbane Cyclist ([http://www.ucycle.com/) out of Toronto (and on the net) carries the Hebie Chainglider as does one of the posters in the Commuting section.

I haven't finished the bike that I'm mounting this one, but here is what they look like.

http://homepage.mac.com/awcg/.Pictures/Bike/Chainglider/Box.jpg
In the box

http://homepage.mac.com/awcg/.Pictures/Bike/Chainglider/Apart.jpg
And apart

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The Urbane Cyclist (http://%5Bhttp://www.ucycle.com/) out of Toronto (and on the net) carries the Hebie Chainglider as does one of the posters in the Commuting section.



Thanks, I will take a look over on the Commuting Forum. Unfortunately I do not think the Herbie will work with a 46 tooth chain ring. Also I could not find it listed on the http://ucycle.com site, but that is pretty common, very few bike shops list all of their inventory on their website.

Apparantly Yellow Jersey is selling full chaincases for $50 here:

http://www.yellowjersey.org/mguard.html

Not sure if they will fit a Raleigh 3spd.

Apparantly Yellow Jersey is selling full chaincases for $50 here:

http://www.yellowjersey.org/mguard.html

Not sure if they will fit a Raleigh 3spd.

Standard Roadster chanincase. They are too long, maybe could be adapted, but the major problem is that they require a removable seat tube.

I see Velo Orange has a half-chaincase on their site, pretty expensive though.
http://yhst-84224226242177.stores.yahoo.net/chpr.html

Apparantly Hebie also makes this, model 355:

http://www.hebie.de/produktbild/355.jpg
http://www.hebie.de/pdf/0355_E1_EN.pdf

I currently have 38T and 44T Hebie Chaingliders in stock at http://www.bikefront.com

The chainring limitations are kind of a drag but unfortunately it is the nature of the beast. I went as far as changing my front chainring just so I could get a Chainglider to work.

Graywolf, you can find a Raleigh chaincase right now on e-bay. They don't come up often. However, be aware that unless your Raleigh has the specific mounting point - a brazed-on screw hole on the r.h. chainstay - the case will be highly problematic. Alignment and tolerances are pretty critical here, so the jury-rigging potential will be limited. (I am currently learning this the hard way, even with the correct frame; hence my crusing this forum.)

As far as I know, Raleighs did not use full chaincases. One found those on the heavier British roadsters. Consequently, it's going to be a tough search.

I've started to wonder how necessary a full chaincase really is - a good chainguard and front fenders stop most of the crud. For example, my bike has a standard chainguard that covers the chainwheel and top of the chain. I never touch the chain, and I still bet about 5,000 miles between replacements. It protects my clothing perfectly - I'll hop on the bike in a $2,000 suit without hesitation.

The Hebie chainglider is a modern device and much unlike what the roadsters had. If you want the roadster look, maybe you can adapt a case from Pashley, in England. Personally, I'd just get a Raleigh chainguard, restore the bike as a Raleigh, and look for a real roadster from China or India.

Paul

The Raleigh DL-1 Roadster, the Superb and Sports, at least, definitely came with chaincases in their earlier days ('30s - '60s). The rh chainstay has a mounting point for the case. It seems that many Raleighs that made it to the States commonly came with a chainguard instead of a chaincase, although the mounting point redundantly remained for several more model-years.

There is a story out there about how US Customs taxed imported bikes based on weight, and deleting the chaincase made the bikes a little cheaper here. I have my doubts about this story, however.

I really like the look of a chaincased city bike, but in my current messing around with my '60 Sports (chaincase model), I have come to agree with PaulH: the full case isn't worth it.

Here's why:

1. It never rains in southern California. And anyway, the Sports is not my rain bike.

2. They're noisy. In my research, People always said the cases are noisy. I thought they meant it was tough to make sure the chain doesn't scrape along the case. Maybe that is part of it, but for me the real noise of the case comes from its intrinsic characteristic of amplifying sound, kind of like an acoustic guitar body. It's kind of a hum as you roll along, and I like my bikes quiet.

3. They make it tough to change out a tire or tube. An obvious puncture can easily be repaired without removal, but otherwise it can be a real hassle while out on the road.

4. Even though I really like the look, I feel a little like a poser Euro wannabe while riding around on it.

So I am going to transfer all the good parts back to my '70 Sports frame (with chainguard) and sell the '60.

It's been a good learning experience.

Mark McClure

With the wide variations of bicycle frames, drivetrains, sprocket variations etc
the only way I can see for a lot of people, is custom builds, by someone local.
If you accept the limit of a "top and front" cover, it becomes a little easier.
My own feeling is, that a full wrap around the front sprocket, to just under the
front edge, and carry the top back to as close to the rear hub as possible,
with a projection down the back of the chain to keep the water funneling off
the rear tire, you get most off the advantages of a full case. I still would like a
full case, can't see how to do it on say, a Big Dummy. It would be nice to have
an oil bath, for longevity, but maybe with a good enough "half" cover, one could
use an oil dripper, a' la Rohloff.

On a separate note, I saw a derailleur equipped bike sold by Topeak, it had a top
and front chain cover. I wonder if they plan to sell it separately?

Nice to see a few more comments here. I am currently on hold with the bicycles, as my SS only covers one hobby at a time, so I kind of rotate; but I have not given up hope.

A comment for those who do not know, you can not easily fit an English style full chaincase on most hockey stick chainguard English bikes because the full chaincase has to go inside the seat stay. The bikes that came fitted with them had removable seat stays for that reason. In the end, probably the best thing to do is find a 50's Roadster that already has a full chaincase and restore it; as you can see from my sig line that is really what I want anyway.

As for noise, I seem to remember that they hum and boom and rattle a bit :D.

You could probably cut out a portion so it can clamp onto rather than need to go inside the seat stay. Installing a full chaincase on a Roadster that doesn't have a removable seat stay requires some work but in the end its the only way to make a Roadster look completely authentic. On other bicycles its just not worth the trouble involved.

Since Norman brought the thread to the top again, I thought that I would comment that I still have not gotten a chaincase but am still wanting one. I had decided that a modern one is not appropriate for my vintage look though. I notice that Yellow Jersey is now showing one for 26 inch bicycles as well as the one for the 28" full roadster. I believe that with some chopping and homemade brackets I could fit one to my light roadster (sports).

For some interesting information. I recently found out that due to the US government wanting England to get the dollars to pay back their war loans that there was no import duties on English bicycles in the 1945-1955 years, so the idea that the chaincase made the bikes have higher duties is a false one, besides that a DL-1 with the chaincase is only 41 pounds anyway, well below the supposed 50 pound limit. Sheldon was not always correct.

I won a vintage Rudge/Whitworth full chaincase off eBay yesterday. Its intended for my 28" full Pashley Guvnor - made over into a Roadster. I've been looking long and hard for a case like this and the ones Yellow Jersey offers as their site notes, range from decrepit to barely acceptable. I think Raleigh stopped fitting them after the late 1940s as a cost-cutting measure and that's why its rare to find a DL-1 in this country after that period outfitted with anything but a hockey stick chainguard. If the Rudge doesn't fit, I will gladly offer to resell it for the price I paid for it.

No, Raleigh had them on the DL-1 in England up until near the end of production. However, I imagine the DL-1 was only kept in production as long as it was because the British government was still buying them. I also imagine that the reason the chaincases were hardly ever seen here in the USA was because the bike shops did not order the bikes with them figuring their customers would not know the difference anyway and they were cheaper with the hockey stick. I have no idea when the Sports quit being available with the chaincase in England, probably in the early sixties, as they were no longer being sold as transportation.

The Raleigh chaincase was not really an oilbath one like the Sunbeam had their purpose was merely to keep the chain clean. The Sunbeam's was intended to run with oil in it. Strange the things you find out reading old books.

I have watched a few of those chaincases on eBay, however I am not willing to pay the kind of money they usually go for. The last I was tracking went for $72 plus shipping, and it was missing a part or two. I hope you did better than that. BTW, the current Pashley chaincase is supposedly plastic.

The vintage one is steel. Its black and will come with all the necessary fittings. It came to over $100 because I had the foresight to make it high enough to beat a last minute bid. They are common in Europe but its very hard to get ahold of one here.

I received the Rudge-Whitworth chaincase today. Luckily, it fit my Pashley Guvnor with shaving away the back end and the dust hole cover. A hole had to be drilled in the chainstay to hold it in place. It looks very good and the few scratches on it covered nicely with satin black touchup paint. The full chaincase is metal and lent itself to filing here and there to make it fit the bike. I'm quite pleased with it.

The roadster full chaincase does NOT require a removable seat tube. Installation of one is fairly simple and straightforward: unscrew the back section and remove the bottom curved section, use a flat bladed screwdriver to remove the dust cover plate on the front and and shove the end onto the rear wheel and the front end on to the bottom bracket spindle. Depending on the bike, you may need to drill a hole in the chainstay to screw in the bottom support arm to hold the chaincase in place. Screw the back support arm to the chainstay at the end as well with an adaptor plate. Then you drop in the chain holding the bike vertical on a stand and fasten the link on the installed chainring. Check to see the chain and rear wheel move freely. Screw back on the bottom curved section removed when the full chaincase was first installed. Then reinstall the dust cover plate on the front to hide the chainring and chain. Presto, your chain should now be completely concealed in the full chaincase!

That is interesting, Norman. Is the R-W chaincase the same as the Raleigh one? The only bike I ever worked on that had a full CC was a 50's sport, the seatpost was bolted to the rear dropout and had to be taken loose to remove the CC. How about some photos?.

I'll have a photo posted as soon as the bike is built up.

What timing! I was looking into chaincases because I want to fit one on my Raleigh Superbe, and I find this thread with posts that are really recent! I just acquired it the other day, and it looks ghastly. The light looks like it could be from a '60s model (because the button to turn it on is on the bottom), and someone repainted it in some metallic blue w/ black trimmings. (Were Superbes ever available in Blue?) There is a chainguard, which looks pretty small. I actually used to have Raleigh Superbe that I **stup1dly** scrapped after having an accident with it. I was in school then, and couldn't afford the repairs/restoration, but now I can (sorta) since I'm done school -but I figured I'll tackle one thing at a time.

On a different note, I'm thinking of getting a Chinese Flying Pigeon as well. I like how it looks, and it goes cheaper than a vintage Raleigh. Are they interchangeable w/ Raleighs in terms of parts (considering it's based on a DL-1)? Or are they poor fits, with poor quality? Any (unbiased) comments?

If you look at this thread http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=523226

the bike hase an interesting sks chainguard.....not full but pretty good coveage

I googled chaincases and found that "alibaba(dot)com" had chaincases being sold in quantity. They look like they'd go on roadsters, as they resemble the chain cases of Flying Pigeons, and some with funky paint jobs. (I also found this forum by googling chaincases). The only problem with the site is a) I heard it may be a scam, and b) I think you got to buy in quantities of 10.

I googled chaincases and found that "alibaba(dot)com" had chaincases being sold in quantity. They look like they'd go on roadsters, as they resemble the chain cases of Flying Pigeons, and some with funky paint jobs. (I also found this forum by googling chaincases). The only problem with the site is a) I heard it may be a scam, and b) I think you got to buy in quantities of 10.

Alibaba.com is not a scam, it is a site for suppliers to advertise to importers. They are not interested in selling to individuals, container loads are what they are selling. There are several of those types of sites you find when googling roadster bicycles. Of course, if you are in the market for 1260 roadsters (or 10,000 chaincases), they are just where you should be looking.

Well, I started this thread more than a year ago, and finally ordered a chaincase from Yellow Jersey yesterday. $50, $62 with shipping, is a lot to me; especially when I cannot even ride the bike into town.

But I have wanted a '50's style roadster, the Denelt is technically a light roadster, since riding my cousins top end Raleigh as a kid. At this point I so not know how nice the chaincase is going to be, Yellow Jersey says it has a nicer finish than the ones for the 28" bicycles. Nor, do I know how much trouble it is going to be to fit it to the Dunelt. I will report back when it arrives.

Wow! Quick shipping. Paid for the chaincase on Friday, got it on Monday.

Rather than posting a bunch of photos here, I will just give a link to my Blog, Subject to Change, article: http://graywolfphoto.com/journal/?p=312

But for those who want to know what these look like, but not interested in more here is one photo:

http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf/_Pix/chaincase-is-disassembled.jpg

That is the disassembled frame side view. It appears to need two straps to mount it on the bicycle, they did not come with it. I will inquire whether they were supposed to, before proceeding.

They said they are supposed to mount to braze-ons. Oh well! I will fabricate straps, and if they move too much, I will epoxy them to the frame.

Hi there, I have a road bike with a Nexus 7 fitted with a Chainglider. I live in London and the idea was to make myself a fast, low maintenance commuter. It works fairly well - although in common with some others I've been reading about the back bit eventually came off. However it still protects most of the chain and means I never have to roll up my trouser leg so I really like it. I've had it a little over a year and I had to trim a lot of the plastic to actually make the thing fit - however in the end I think it worked quite well and the 'no visible innards' look works well with a hub gear. Before I found the Chainglider I looked all over the internet including injection moulding factories from China and it seemed that aftermarket chainguard solutions are simply not really sold in either Britain or the USA. However if you can speak Dutch or German you will find a couple at every single online store.

German is Kettenschutz or Kettenkast

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kettenschutz

Not a great photo but this is my bike from the wrong side.

http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s15/roofrack2/Bicycles%20I%20have%20assembled/?action=view&current=P1020422.jpg

And here's a Dutch site that I may have actually found from another comment on this site.

http://www.scootbike.nl/index.php/component/option,com_virtuemart/Itemid,26/category_id,52/page,shop.browse/vmcchk,1/

Incidentally the reason I wanted a chainguard so much was that I read a blog about a chap who bought a tricycle in Alaska and he thought he'd have to replace the fully enclosed chain - took the guard off and the chain was like new underneath. That sounded great to me. Also because the hub gears are a bit of a pain to change a flat tyre with anyway I bought Schwalbe Marathon Plus tyres hoping to have less punctures. That was in December 07 and I haven't had one since riding fifty miles a week - so they seem to work too - however I don't think anyone could call them fast. Apologies for digressing and going on but it was a subject I spent some time on a little while ago. Regards.

As promised, a picture of my Pashley Guvnor outfitted with a Rudge Withworth full chaincase. It adds to the bike's period look.

That's awesome.

As promised, a picture of my Pashley Guvnor outfitted with a Rudge Withworth full chaincase. It adds to the bike's period look.

Very cool, Norman.

Now all I have to do is find the time, energy, and parts to mount the chaincase on my Dunelt. I will also need a few dry days for painting it and repainting the mudguards.

There is something about a full chaincase that says, "This bicycle is intended for serious everyday utilitarian use, it is not a weekend toy".

...There is something about a full chaincase that says, "This bicycle is intended for serious everyday utilitarian use, it is not a weekend toy".

An accessory that adds weight, noise and makes fixing a flat difficult hardy says utility to me, but you won't have to roll your pants leg up, that's a plus.

An accessory that adds weight, noise and makes fixing a flat difficult hardy says utility to me, but you won't have to roll your pants leg up, that's a plus.

Chaincases aren't that heavy. I have yet to see one made out of armor plate. Mine makes a little noise at times, but not nearly enough to keep me from riding due to the annoyance. The chaincase on my bike has a removable piece on the rear that allows me to take off my rear wheel easily enough. And yes, I don't have to roll my pant leg up. They're not for everyone, but neither is criticizing other people's choice of bicycle accessories.

Mine is made out of vinyl and canvas so it's both not heavy and do not make any noise.

It also easily snaps on and off without the use of any tools.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3625/3420143088_fc6b5dcf19.jpg?v=0

As for flats, I've successfully patched two flats without taking the wheel off :D

It looks great. I'm not criticizing anybody's choice of accessories, just suggesting that chain guards are not widely used specifically because they add very little utility to a bicycle.

An accessory that adds weight, noise and makes fixing a flat difficult hardy says utility to me, but you won't have to roll your pants leg up, that's a plus.

You obviously do not clean and grease your own chain, or you only ride in good weather.You should be able to leave your utility bike leaning against the side of the building in all weather, jump on it and go where you are going and back with only a squirt of oil in the proper holes about once a week. Or at least that is what I consider a utility bicycle. And besides, the chaincase does not rattle as much as that pretty chrome bullet on the tip of the front fender. As for fixing a flat, not something I do very often, most utility cyclist do not have glue on tires that you have to demount he wheel to fix.

I always wonder why someone who does not like chaincases, fenders, lights, kickstands, saddlebags, etc on their bike even bothers to read threads about them. I guess they just like sneering at people who think differently than they do. While I sometimes sneer at folks who who wear spandex (because they sneer at people like me), I do not do that on the road bike forum. Of course, you probably do not think you are supposed to wear a suit and tie on a bicycle either. If you look at some of the sites about bicycling in Amsterdam, you may see what utility cycling is all about.

Dude, I'm not sneering at you. If I owned a nice pair of pants, I might see it differently.

Clean and grease chain? No way, Jose. White Lightning baby, my chain is shiny silver not typical black gunky mess. You still wouldn't want to rub your dress pants up against it.

Dude, I'm not sneering at you. If I owned a nice pair of pants, I might see it differently.

Clean and grease chain? No way, Jose. White Lightning baby, my chain is shiny silver not typical black gunky mess. You still wouldn't want to rub your dress pants up against it.

I don't want to rub any of my pants against my chain, hence the chaincase. I don't have enough money to replace grease-stained pants, dress pants or otherwise. Have you ever owned a bicycle with a chaincase and found it lacking? Do you have any practical experience with them to back your opinions? If you do, and please share if you do, I would have much greater respect for your input.

OK, I was sneering at him. But I wasn't sneering at chaincases. I'm sure they have functionality for some bikers, hence utilitarian. I guess I was reacting to the idea that graywolf was excited about making his bike look utilitarian which to me is putting the cart in front of the horse.

I don't have a car and I do not use public transportation. There are only two freight bikers in Washington DC. I'm one of them. No, I have never used a bike with a chain case. Take your "respect for my input" and shove it down your trouser leg, I don't need it.

Don't put grease on your chain!

Don't put grease on your chain!

Okay, you got me there. I should have said "oil" or "lubricate". I don't put grease on my chain either.

I wasn't questioning your knowledge as a whole. You obviously know far more than I do in many areas. I was just questioning your knowledge in one particular area. I apologize if the tone of my previous message led you to believe I was questioning anything else. That's great you're a freight biker. We need more people like you.

Let me share my experience. I am also car-free, and have been for three years. I only use public transportation on the weekend to see my in-laws in Seoul. I currently reside in a semi-rural area in South Korea. I have attached a picture of a stretch of my daily commute. As you can see, it's a dirt road, and a poorly maintained one at that. I could ride on main roads, but South Korean traffic rules would probably hold me accountable if a car hit me, even if the accident wasn't my fault.

How does this relate to chaincases? Well, in the summer it rains here, a lot. My commute gets pretty muddy. A chaincase keeps a lot of grit off my chain. In the dry months it keeps most of the fine, talc-like road dust away, and also the Gobi desert dust that is increasingly blowing in from China. During certain months of the year, if I leave my bike outside, there's a fine layer of dust on it when I come back. I don't have to clean the chain as often as I would without one. I still lightly oil it on a regular basis, but my chaincase allows me to devote my free time to things other than bicycle maintenance. I don't especially enjoy cleaning chains.

I will agree that sometimes the cart gets put in front of the horse. They are turning into somewhat of a fashion accessory. When I go back to the US I'll probably be guilty of this as well. I have an old Raleigh waiting for me, more out of nostalgia for my time here than anything else. I won't have a daily commute that approaches the one I have now. Also, I won't have to worry about the problem of rampant Chinese dust, so its chaincase won't be as necessary. It will still do the same basic job of keeping the chain clean, however, so it won't be completely impractical.

Anyhow, I've written too much and have said all that I want to say on the subject. I'm tired of sitting in front of a computer and am going to go ride my bike instead. This thread has strayed off-topic enough.

I'm not sure you've strayed from the topic. You aren't answering "Where can I get one?" but "Why?" which maybe of interest to some who read this thread, if they get past my snarky posts. Haha

Oil vs. wax is the subject of another thread, several probably. I use White Lightning, a wax based lube that cleans and lubes. It just takes a couple minutes to apply. True believers in wax chain prep lower their chains into melted paraffin. (Use a double boiler to melt the wax.) Wax based lube or plain old wax might work for you even with the chaincase. The advantage is that dirt does not stick to your chain as much.

I wish my commute looked like that. Enjoy the ride!

Well, as the OP, I think why is OK.

I actually use a Teflon spray lube on my chains.

I am 65 and disabled and the local town has a helmet law that I am ethically opposed to which limits my actual use of my bicycles.

In my working days I cycle commuted in Detroit, Tampa, and Charlotte well into my 50's. Although I have to admit that I usually worked in construction and the jobs were mostly too far for a bicycle to be sensible. But I used the bike whenever I had a fixed location job.

In college everyone knew me, I was "the guy with icicles in his beard". I pushed bicycles so hard that campus security started using them.

In high school my 3 speed gave me the mobility that other pre-car teens did not have, but I certainly was not considered "cool".

At nine or ten my grandfather bought me a bicycle, insisting that it had to be a real bicycle like he had in the old country. Black! So I wound up with a Black 26" Dunelt 3 speed when my contemporaries were riding 24" paperboy style bicycles. I could reach the pedals, but it was so big the only way to get off until I learned the flying dismount was to bring it to a stop and fall off. Needless to say I usually veered onto someone's lawn first.

I think, I can hold up my head in any group of utilitarian bicyclists. And, I still say a untility bicycle should require less effort to keep up than a car. An occasional wipe down with a rag and a few squirts of oil as I said in my previous post.

Also the bicycle that the chaincase will be fitted to is a classic three speed, in fact, a black Dunelt like the one I had as a kid only with the larger sized frame. I primarily use it as a park bike, a leasurely ride in the park pretending to be an older gentleman back in maybe the 1930's takes me away from the mundane world of today for an hour or so. It also gets me some much needed exercise. So to me the look of the chaincase is just as important as its function. One of the rewards I get for letting other people tell me what to do for 60+ years is now only having to please myself. Anyway, I think "I like the looks" is reason enough. If a better reason is needed, a chain in a full chaincase typically will last about 5 years with just the factory lubrication.

However, I ask again why does someone come into a thread titled "Full Chaincase" and say people are stupid for wanting one?

Haha, my grandfather made me get a black 3spd instead of the oh-so-cool Schwinn Stingray that I really wanted. Granddad knew best.

"However, I ask again why does someone come into a thread titled 'Full Chaincase' and say people are stupid for wanting one?" ~graywolf

Sorry, I missed it the first time you asked. I was not ignoring your question, but I don't understand it. No one said you were stupid. You are a little thin-skinned for an old coot.

I have no problem with enhancements to the aesthetics of one's bicycle. I simply disagreed that a chaincase says "Utility bike". To me it says "Classic and Vintage". My sincerest apologies for having an opinion different from your own.

A guy on a Raleigh 3spd with a long gray beard smoked me this morning on a group ride I joined for "Bike to Work Day".

Graywolf, do you have any pictures of your Dunelt with the chainguard yet? Did you make straps to get around the lack of braze-ons? Just curious for future reference.

Graywolf, do you have any pictures of your Dunelt with the chainguard yet? Did you make straps to get around the lack of braze-ons? Just curious for future reference.

Unfortunately, I have too many projects at the moment with higher priority. Rest assured I will report my success, or failure, here "real soon now".