Foo - Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles - Lame?

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Oh geez, a Terminator TV show!? I think I'll continue to pretend that T2 was the end of the series.

I've been tempted to watch it, but I liked the T1-T2 chronology, and I sort of feel that T3 is sort of an add-on and doesn't really fit.

T3 really broke that, from the concept of "NO FATE" in T2 to "well, no matter what you do, the machines are going to take over and nuke everything... BUT even though that can't be stopped, the one guy who will be leader can be killed." Sort of unfair that the machines can keep plopping things down a time machine to change fate, but people can't stop the incoming nuke barrage. :/

It was ok (I did skip through a lot of the show) and it has Summer Glau (River Tam--Firefly, Serenity) as the terminator sent back in time to protect the kid.

it has Summer Glau (River Tam--Firefly, Serenity) as the terminator sent back in time to protect the kid.Hah, it's almost worth seeking this show out for that part alone. Though I think her being the evil Terminator would be so much cooler.

lamest show i've seen in a while. yuck.

Im a huge Terminator fan and the show was/is a huge let down. First off Sarah Conner is nothing like the woman in T1/T2. She is all girly. In T2 she stabbed people in the kneecaps with pens, was good with weapons, worked out like a maniac, was in a mental institution and broke out, ect.... In the show she is way to close in age to her son and the terminator is way to young.

I fast forwarded through most of the show.

It was a bit rediculous when the terminator sent to protect him uses the obvious "come with me if you want to live" line. It was pathetic as that line is so famous from Arnold noone else can pull it off. They are really milking everything they can get out of the name "Terminator".

If you can get past the fact that it is a totally different cast you may enjoy it slightly. I felt like I was watching a knockoff Terminator 2 movie.

lamest show i've seen in a while. yuck.

I wasnt it gonna be that harsh. It's no Joss Wheddon vehicle (unfortunatley), but Summer Glau is really hot, so i stuck it out. It was sandwiched between a really great football game and a killer episode of Family Guy.

Thought about watching. But (a) there was a thing on Discovery about two amateur guys riding Stage 16 of the Tour. It was basically a one hour Trek advert, but quite good. And (b) it looked like it would be pile of poop.

I watched it, and I'll continue to, but I'm pretty sure I can see it coming as far as the plot from here on out. Sarah Connor is gonna get shot and stabbed, a lot. The girl-bot is going to have sinister ulterior motives and will eventually receive a shot to the head with that plasma gargleblaster gun. The boy will live. Interesting idea to have JC travel in time, that was good sci-fi. I'm still wondering what the role of Sarah's BF will be. And the big q on everyone's mind, whether you want to admit it or not, is- (drumroll please)

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Will John do the girl-bot? Is she programmed to hook him up with the benefits?

I haven't watched yet. (Got it in HD on the DVR.) I'm hoping it's not as bad as The Bionic Woman. Once Katee "Starbuck" Sackhoff's episodes were done, it was unwatchable.

I LOVED the original Terminator.
T2 was good, but not as good as the original.
T3 - WTF was that all about?

Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles - I had low expectations considering it was a TV show to carry on a big budget movie series, and was a mid-season replacement show (while writers were on strike) at that. Considering my low expectations it was better than I expected. She's not the ass kicking Sarah Connor of the movies....but that may change as they evolve into their characters. It wasn't bad enough to leave just yet. I'll watch the 2nd one tonight.

And the big q on everyone's mind, whether you want to admit it or not, is- (drumroll please)

Will John do the girl-bot? Is she programmed to hook him up with the benefits?

I agree. I watched it at the bar after the football game. Summer Glau is a good fit as the female protector terminator. And the one exchange at the gas stations where she eats real food and says "I AM different." I think that scene alludes to her at the least having the ability to have some type of relationship with a young John Connor.

In fact that aspect alone creates an interesting dilema for John in later years. If he had real feelings for his female terminator....how does he feel later when he has to destroy the machines as an adult. I think the show has some potential. Where they go with it....time will tell I guess.

I agree. I watched it at the bar after the football game. Summer Glau is a good fit as the female protector terminator. And the one exchange at the gas stations where she eats real food and says "I AM different." I think that scene alludes to her at the least having the ability to have some type of relationship with a young John Connor.

In fact that aspect alone creates an interesting dilema for John in later years. If he had real feelings for his female terminator....how does he feel later when he has to destroy the machines as an adult. I think the show has some potential. Where they go with it....time will tell I guess.

I agree completely

That said, possibly the biggest thing my fiance and i were disappointed in was sarah connor herself. It really annoys me that they feminized her so much. The original worked hard to dismiss that idea of a tiny female in distress. I preferred the bulked up Linda Hamilton (not that she was huge) over the tiny armed current one. (the one scene where she was getting out of bed and her arm looked like a small stick almost made me gag)

Otherwise I was interested enough to give it a couple of more shots. Like Bionic Woman, I will see how it plays out, but more than likely (like bionic woman) I will end up ditching it for some other series.

I'm just anxiously awaiting the March release of BSG's next season ;)

I thought the time travel jump was a unique ploy. But I can see the plot lines thinning fairly rapidly. I'll watch a few more times.

It was kind of to imagine the Linda Hamiltion Sarah Conner repainting her house, but the conceled weapons stash was cool.

I thought it was... ok.

Summer Glau is definitely the best part of the show.

Oh, it's on Fox?

Don't get too attached to it, folks.

I've never gotten around to seeing the Terminator movies in full, so I have no expectations for the tv show. I liked it and will watch it again tonight.

I like to have one series that I follow, other then that I don't watch tv. Maybe this will be the one.

Oh, it's on Fox?

Don't get too attached to it, folks.

heh, true.

I am sure there is a 'reality' show all keyed up if there is any hint of lower ratings.

"lame"

Yeah...that was my initial reaction.

I'm just anxiously awaiting the March release of BSG's next season ;)

Doctor Who baby....that will probably be Marchish too.

Meh. It was ok. I missed the first half of the show, but got to see the female terminator kickin' some drunken frat boy ass. :D

I can't quite decide where in time the first half of the show took place. I know, yeah, 1999, but the casting is so different from that of the films, it's hard to really feel any sense of connection to the timeline of the films. Sarah is no longer a warrior, and she no longer has the "choke down your fear and get your ass in gear" bravado which made Linda Hamilton so much more believable as a mother out to protect her son, and consequently, the world, at any cost. This Sarah seems way too uncertain of herself, as compared to the Sarah of the films. I just can't get around that.... I'll watch the second half of the pilot tonight. Beyond that, no promises.

As happens more often than not, I suspect this will be another series that doesn't translate well from film.... And that the only people who can truly become fans will be those who either 1) never saw the Terminator film series, or 2) are capable of enjoying the show SOLELY on its own merit.

I thought the time travel jump was a unique ploy. But I can see the plot lines thinning fairly rapidly. I'll watch a few more times.

It was kind of to imagine the Linda Hamiltion Sarah Conner repainting her house, but the conceled weapons stash was cool.

I think the Sarah Connor character will change/evolve if the show continues. Remember what the Sarah Connor character was like in the beginning of T1? She was young, and still had "girly" elements to her. I think the harder edge will come if the series get a chance to continue. Lena Headey was very good as the tough as nails queen in 300, so I think she can pull off the transformation into the harder, more complicated SC that we are used to seeing from the first two movies. Remember...even tough people have a soft side sometimes. ;)

I think the Sarah Connor character will change/evolve if the show continues. Remember what the Sarah Connor character was like in the beginning of T1? She was young, and still had "girly" elements to her. I think the harder edge will come if the series get a chance to continue. Lena Headey was very good as the tough as nails queen in 300, so I think she can pull off the transformation into the harder, more complicated SC that we are used to seeing from the first two movies. Remember...even tough people have a soft side sometimes. ;)
I agree.

Although this character is supposed to be (2 years) after T2 and before T3, she should be the hard nails person of T2. But I think its more of a matter of the actress evolving her character. They probably start her out softer so they can toughen her up with character development over the series.

[QUOTE=VegaVixen;5979717]As happens more often than not, I suspect this will be another series that doesn't translate well from film.... And that the only people who can truly become fans will be those who either 1) never saw the Terminator film series, or 2) are capable of enjoying the show SOLELY on its own merit.[/QUOTE

You may be right VV. It really depends on where they go in the next few airing/episodes.

One other comment I will make is that Summer Glau and her character is the most interesting part of the show thus far.

Lena Headey was very good as the tough as nails queen in 300, so I think she can pull off the transformation into the harder, more complicated SC that we are used to seeing from the first two movies. Remember...even tough people have a soft side sometimes. ;)

Gonna be tough to top a buff Linda Hamilton, tho.;)

One other comment I will make is that Summer Glau and her character is the most interesting part of the show thus far.I think that's because those of us that know her, know her role from Firefly/Serenity and her role as a Terminator isn't really that far different of a character. She's playing the same type of role we already know her from.

i didn't think T3 was bad at all.

i didn't think T3 was bad at all.

You "must" be in minority.


Go back and watch T2 and T3 back to back and see how original T3 is? I think 70% of big scenes are duplicates of same scenes from T2 (especially annoying was the same 18-wheeler crash scene).

i didn't think T3 was bad at all.

I thought it was ok. T2 was my favorite.

Agreed KT. Summer is more than capable in her role on this new series. Now, they need the other characters to be "fleshed out" a little better and they may have something.

Richard Jones, should be good in his role as well, but after one half of an episode...it's hard to pass judgement. I'm gonna try and catch the second half tonight.

I think that's because those of us that know her, know her role from Firefly/Serenity and her role as a Terminator isn't really that far different of a character. She's playing the same type of role we already know her from.Heh. She won't get to freak out and act crazy quite as much this time around, but by the time Fox unceremoniously ****cans the show, she should have the dead, steely-eyed glare and general badassedry down to a science.

I thought it was pretty good and set the dvr to record every episode. I did miss something though, they did the time travel to 2007 correct? What year did they start in?

I thought it was pretty good and set the dvr to record every episode. I did miss something though, they did the time travel to 2007 correct? What year did they start in?

1999 I believe. It was supposed to start 2 years after the T2 movie time frame (after they broke Sarah out from the mental institution). Jon was supposed to be 15 years old.

1999 I think. Opps.... KT beat me to it.

Go back and watch T2 and T3 back to back and see how original T3 is? I think 70% of big scenes are duplicates of same scenes from T2 (especially annoying was the same 18-wheeler crash scene).

go back & read what i wrote. i didn't say "T3 was better than T2." i said:


i didn't think T3 was bad at all.

nowhere in there did i say that T3>T2. (i mean, you quoted me & everything.) i actually watched T2 last week & watched T3 last night as it was on amc & i want nothing to do with this new show. after going back & watching T2 & T3 somewhat back to back i still don't think T3 was that bad.

man, that sounds like a rant... but i'm not ranting. i promise! :)

Hmm, wait. Is the show set post-nuclear apocalypse, or has that been pushed back? As I recall from T2, Skynet became self aware and nuked up the place sometime in 1998. The ending of T2 would seem to nullify that, but considering they worked a third movie into the storyline somehow (I haven't seen it)...

I liked T3, and hope they still come out with a 4th movie, but I didn't watch the show and have no intentions to. Making it into a show strikes me as just about the dumbest thing they could do. They didn't exactly make room for a series worth of stories between 2 and 3. It just sounds like yet another lame ass money grab.

go back & read what i wrote. i didn't say "T3 was better than T2." i said:



nowhere in there did i say that T3>T2. (i mean, you quoted me & everything.) i actually watched T2 last week & watched T3 last night as it was on amc & i want nothing to do with this new show. after going back & watching T2 & T3 somewhat back to back i still don't think T3 was that bad.

man, that sounds like a rant... but i'm not ranting. i promise! :)
I was using the comparison to show why *I* thought it was horrible. I'm not knocking you or anybody who likes a movie that I don't. Before you posted that a number of people had already made digs on T3 and I agreed. The comparison was only giving reason as to why I hated it so bad.

i liked T3. i actually liked it better than T2. though nowhere near as much as T1.

but T3 had Claire Danes, while T2 "only" had Linda Hamilton.

Claire Danes doesn't scare the crap out of me, therefore, she wins.

Hmm, wait. Is the show set post-nuclear apocalypse, or has that been pushed back? As I recall from T2, Skynet became self aware and nuked up the place sometime in 1998. The ending of T2 would seem to nullify that, but considering they worked a third movie into the storyline somehow (I haven't seen it)...
It's pre-nuclear apocalypse, but the jump they did to 2007 was supposed to be right about the time Skynet created the 1st cyborg or whatever. So their time jump may well be to try to stop Skynet again.

Hmm, wait. Is the show set post-nuclear apocalypse, or has that been pushed back? As I recall from T2, Skynet became self aware and nuked up the place sometime in 1998. The ending of T2 would seem to nullify that, but considering they worked a third movie into the storyline somehow (I haven't seen it)...

With the killing of the original scientist and data the apocolypse was thought to be finalized. However a new scientist stepped up and continued the work, only delaying the inevitable.

Ah, okay, gotcha.

I think the role the FBI agent could be good. He will be hard pressed to ignore the evidence of the terminators for ever. I liked the scene with him and boyfriend when he outlined Sarah's past.

mmmkay. The second episode was a little more interesting than the first, and I saw a little more of the Sarah we saw in T2. Maybe there's some hope yet for this show, but the writing is still too sloppy. They're gonna have to tighten it up a bit.

Hey, does anyone understand why this kid, even though just 15, is stupid enough to leave the house when he's had life experience that should make him realize better than any average adult what's ridin' on his safety, and how his safety is ridin' on his stayin' put? That was hard for me to buy, because, honestly, he's just not an "average" 15-year-old. Yep, the writers need to know their characters well, and tighten it up a bit.

I may or may not tune in next week. Depends on what's shakin' here that may or may not be more interestin'.

i didn't think T3 was bad at all.

What it boils down to is they are all corny as hell. If you take them too seriously, you won't enjoy them. I liked them all, but I never took any of it seriously. Anything with or inspired by Arnold is going to be a ridiculous piece of unrealistic trash. You have to keep that in mind when you watch these films.

T3 is my favorite, but that's probably because it's the only one I saw in a theater.

I never took any of it seriously. ... a ridiculous piece of unrealistic trash. You have to keep that in mind

Not that there's any manipulation, intended to condition the audience to reject the RoTM story premise.

Did anyone notice when John was leaving the Mac store in the mall in episode 2? The number on the door was 1337. Or maybe all Mac stores have that, and I just don't get out much. :p

It's pre-nuclear apocalypse, but the jump they did to 2007 was supposed to be right about the time Skynet created the 1st cyborg or whatever. So their time jump may well be to try to stop Skynet again.


Where does the Delorean and Michael J Fox fit into all this?