Mountain Biking - Differences in Two Bikes

Well- The time has come. My last bike at least, for a very, very long time). I've decided to get a middly-high-end end bike this time, in stead of the middle-ish stuff I have. I've decided on a Specialized Epic. I'm just not sure which one....

I'm trying to decide between the Expert Carbon and Marathon Aluminum. Which one would be the better choice? Both seem to have an XT group, but the Marathon has Magura Brakes. While they look pretty cool, I don't know how they compare to the Juicy Ultimates on the Expert. (At least, I think they're Ultimates. It says Seven Ultimate, which I can only assume since manufacturers call the Carbon Seven Carbon). The Marathon also has Carbon bars/seat-post, and I think better wheels and a lighter saddle. I don't know how the weights compare.

I like the idea of a carbon bike, since I've never owned anything outside of aluminum, but if the Marathon is lighter and the brakes are better....

NOTE- Braking power is a big deal to me. If the Maguras are lighter but weaker, well.... That could be a deal breaker.

Also, the bikes cost the same- $4400.

If they both cost the same, the aluminum bike will probably have better components, since most companies are charging more for the same bike with a carbon frame.

maguras are generally considered very high end brakes of comparable (if not more so) quality to juicys. If brake quality is a potential deal-breaker, i suggest you try out both bikes/sets of brakes

maguras are generally considered very high end brakes of comparable (if not more so) quality to juicys. If brake quality is a potential deal-breaker, i suggest you try out both bikes/sets of brakes

I have had two pairs of Marta's, one pair of regular, one pair SL. I now have a pair of Juicy 7's. There is no comparison between them, the Martas are better in every way.

I ride an aluminum Epic, and a carbon hardtail. The Epic could definately benefit from the ride quality properties of a carbon frame, as it's not one of the plushest riding full sussers. Weather it's worth any difference in components, is up to you.

The weight difference between the two is not enough to matter. I ride an Epic Expert and changed components to get it down to just under 24lbs. I think I would go for alum. with better components.

Kay.

Another thing I need to consider is an Orbea Alma. the guy at the Orbea shop said I can get the Alma under 21 (Versus the Marathon's 27) pounds w/o pedals for around $4.5k. Although the thought of a super light carbon bike is appealing, I need to consider the rough, rooty terrain that I ride on. I already have a FS AM bike, but I like all of my bikes to be functional. I don't want a top-end hardtail if it's slower then a mid-end FS.

Go carbon. Lighter and both bikes have great components.

One question: Why not go with something with a little more travel if you are going full suspension?

Go carbon. Lighter and both bikes have great components.

One question: Why not go with something with a little more travel if you are going full suspension?

Aren't the Epics the ones with those intense rear suspension systems? The floating drive train? Great for going fast, apparently - that might be why.

Since you guys are talking about shaving off tenths of a gram, that might be a serious reason why to get the floating suspension system ;).

I already have a FS AM bike, but I like all of my bikes to be functional. I don't want a top-end hardtail if it's slower then a mid-end FS.
And that's the rub! 21 lb hardtails are great for smooth singletrack, and showing off your weight weenie side. But I find in rock gardens and really rooty terrain, it takes all my energy to keep the bike underneath me. It's so light that it bounces around, like trying to ride a ping pong ball. I've found that for hardtails, I really like the 24lb area myself. JMO

Go for the carbon frame. Everything I have read, and or when talking with folks who own the carbon, they say that frame is substantially better. You can alway upgrade components, very expensive to upgrade frames.

One question: Why not go with something with a little more travel if you are going full suspension?

I already have a 5" travel FS bike. It weighs 30 pounds, soooooo.....

"And that's the rub! 21 lb hardtails are great for smooth singletrack, and showing off your weight weenie side. But I find in rock gardens and really rooty terrain, it takes all my energy to keep the bike underneath me. It's so light that it bounces around, like trying to ride a ping pong ball. I've found that for hardtails, I really like the 24lb area myself. JMO"

For 24 pounds, I think I could get the Alma 29'er. I hear a lot of good things about 29'ers, and that they're faster in a lot of ways. Would it be a good way to go for a 24 pound HT?


G'damn. I'm also a roadie, so I'm trying to decide between a road bike and a MTB*now. The more I think about what bike I want, the harder it is to choose. =(

Considering that you want to make it to cat 1 or cat 2 racing road bikes and were planning on dedicating most of your time to that goal it seems like the road bike might be the way to go. That is of course if that is still your goal.

Shoot, if you're gonna drop $4500, why not get a 2 grand hardtail and a 2 grand road bike. $2,000 goes a long way...

Shoot, if you're gonna drop $4500, why not get a 2 grand hardtail and a 2 grand road bike. $2,000 goes a long way...

Because I already have a $1,400 road bike. =/

I figure the increase of $600 will be negligible.

And LowCel, where did I say I want to be a Cat. 1/2 racer? I said I was a roadie, not a road racer, and I rarely race my MTB....

Go for a Titus Racer X 29er, its in the 24 lbs class, and has those larger wheels, and its in your price range.

Ive always been told stay away from carbon frames.
if you hit a tree or fall on a rock your frame can get pretty jacked up.
after all, carbon fiber is an interwoven cloth covered in resin.

Those carbon frames are tougher than they look.

Ive always been told stay away from carbon frames.
if you hit a tree or fall on a rock your frame can get pretty jacked up.
after all, carbon fiber is an interwoven cloth covered in resin.

You know, mods, we need to make a sticky dedicated to issues that have been beaten to death. Like this one.

Also covered:

- "Hardtails help you pick better lines"

Was only saying what ive heard from people around here.

Does that go for the sig too?

- "Hardtails help you pick better lines"

That's been debated.

And LowCel, where did I say I want to be a Cat. 1/2 racer? I said I was a roadie, not a road racer, and I rarely race my MTB....

I apologize, had you confused with another member.

I apologize, had you confused with another member.

Kai. :D

Does that go for the sig too?

The signature is me.
I proudly support the troops when ever i can.
they gave me my freedom, and They will continue to do so.
Both my granddads served in ww2, my dads currently serving, he has 8 days untill he leaves for a 1 year tour in the middle east.
And in a few years i have plans to join as an officer.

SO Kindly, dont dog on my signature.
tired of all the BS people who run there mouths and wish the troops to die, but yet, it is the troops that give them the rights to talk like that.

I prove my case.

Was only saying what ive heard from people around here.
Your probably listening to people who have never ridden, or used a carbon frame.

no Im listening to people who have been riding for over 20 years.

no Im listening to people who have been riding for over 20 years.

How could you possibly know that?

Says the boy who uses LOL as punctuation LOL

Ok, I am putting this issue to rest.

LOL is not a proper form of punctuation.

LOL is not a proper form of punctuation LOL


Fixed.

How could you possibly know that?

well for one they guy works with my dad on the base, and to, hes in his 50's so probably even longer than 20.
then one of my teachers.
and other people that are out and about on the trails.

The signature is me.
I proudly support the troops when ever i can.
they gave me my freedom, and They will continue to do so.
Both my granddads served in ww2, my dads currently serving, he has 8 days untill he leaves for a 1 year tour in the middle east.
And in a few years i have plans to join as an officer.

SO Kindly, dont dog on my signature.
tired of all the BS people who run there mouths and wish the troops to die, but yet, it is the troops that give them the rights to talk like that.

I prove my case.

The American Military has no reason to be in Afghanistan or wherever the hell they are now. That said, I support the troops in whatever Mr ******bag Bush decides they need to do. Same goes for Harper and the Canadian Military.

The president is a fellow Mountain Biker.
Were in Iraq, and Afghanistan you idiot. Fighting the terrorists to keep our country, and theirs, free.
Dont get all ticked off because your weren't man enough to step up.

We have every reason to be there.
stupid stupid people.

I'm not fighting a war that makes no sense. I do however wholeheartedly support the people that are. It's also a moot point because I'm not only underage, I'm Canadian.

I don't care if the President bought himself an expensive mountain bike, he's still an idiot.

This thread is also way too off track, PM me if you want to discuss this farther.

Very Well.

The president is a fellow Mountain Biker.


Really?

Excuse me, I'm writing off all of his idiocy.

Excuse me, I'm hoping you..... never mind I'll save that for my mind only.

Okay guys, political discussions belong in the P&R forums not the mountain bike forum.

Ey! I never said I wanted Cheeto to die! I was trying to fill in the blanks for what he wanted to happen to me!

=/





OWELL

Was only saying what ive heard from people around here.


Does that go for the sig too?



Both my granddads served in ww2, my dads currently serving, he has 8 days untill he leaves for a 1 year tour in the middle east.
And in a few years i have plans to join as an officer.



Question answered.

Yes, I believe that supports my views strongly.
ANd i failed to mention my best friend just graduated basic training, and tech school for the USAF as a Security forces guy. AKA a military police. He is currently in .50 cal training.

my other friend is in AF ROTC in college, another one of my friends has a Ship out to basic date in March.
and yet, another one is currently getting Accepted in ROTC for the USAF.
SIo as you can see, i have many reasons to have the opinion I do.
And, unlike many Americans, Im proud, I proud of my Country, and my opinions.
But im NOT proud with the way people view America.
But enough, its not the topic of the thread, let alone the forum.

But enough, its not the topic of the thread, let alone the forum.

This, and the fact that your (adorably sweet) 'hero vs bad guy' brainwashing is so advanced are the only things stopping me from bothering.

Oh, and just for the record: Disagreeing with the supposed war and wishing death on troops are two VERY different things.

Thread closed since it is nowhere near the original topic and doesn't look like it has any chance of getting back on track.