Touring - Bike Camping

Hey guys, this spring a few of my friends and I would like to start biking and camping where we end up (hopefully without having to pay). Since a lot of you have experience with this sort of thing, I was just wondering if you could post one or two things that you've learned from your experiences over the years. It can be anything about touring, equipment, camping, I'd appreciate any help. Thanks a lot.

Take a book or radio there is nothing worse then being in your tent and it is raining and you don't have anything to listen to or read.

If you camp where I have, I will never do it again without a dog. Bear drag your tent off with you in it, nothing beats that barking dog for a good nights sleep. Off road they love to tag along, I made mine pack her own food.

Have fun, don't set a rigid schedule, and make sure all your gear is in good working order for the conditions you're likely to encounter.

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I've asked police where I could camp. One station let me camp on their lawn.

+1 peppergrinder.

get a compass, stick it on bike. learn to carry bike upstairs. one hand handlebar, one hand on backwheel under brake.

mutate night vision (no get a crap load of lights and reflectors but don't use them)

im know im robbing from someone here tho i don't know who. its good advice nontheless
4 evils
cars, rain, darkness, badroads. 2 is okayish, 3 dangerous, 4 (better have been a very good person in life)

Keep your gear weight low and you will cover more ground and have a more enjoyable experience. One way to do that: when buying new gear like a tent or sleeping bag, get (or make for yourself) the lightest one you can afford.

I suggest making (http://zenstoves.net) an alcohol stove because they are the lightest and easiest type of camping stove. They do have downsides though so you can look into that for yourself.

Also, after your first trip, separate your gear into piles of what you used and what you barely used or didnt use at all. Unless the unused items are safety related, don't bring them next time.

If you are stealth camping, setup out of sight from any road or footpaths. Also if stealth camping, sometimes its nicer to eat dinner at an open area and then go setup your secret camp later on, so you don't have to cook at the camp site. In the morning you can pack up and ride for a little while and then once it warms up a bit outside you can find a place to stop for breakfast.

Have a look at our Tips and Tricks sticky:

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=128270

Most of the suggestions posted in this thread are already there. :)

My response depends on your age. I'm 23 and just did my tour in 2007. I didn't take a sleeping bag or pad. I had my bivy and a heavy duty solar blanket. There was not one night after a day of riding that I didn't find a place on the ground that I thought was comfortable. Sometimes all it takes is 30 seconds to look around, and then kick some rocks out of the way before laying down the tent to get a nice place to sleep. I saved a couple pounds in camping gear, packed easier, and made setup/tear down quicker. Plus I got the added feeling that I was really roughing it. Besides, all you need is some spare clothes for a pillow and you're comfortable. You sleep real easy after 10 hours on the bike.

Really consider what you really NEED, and not what you think you need.

The late Ken Kifer's bike touring page

http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/touring/

Great stuff

If you're weekend camping, try and end up someplace you can build a fire. Really, there's no point otherwise. For camping, you don't need a lot. A rack for your sleeping bag, a daypack for your gear. Keep the cooking simple, preferably something you can cook on a stick. Sausages of any description are great. Spread the pieces of the tent around to your buds so one person doesn't get stuck carrying it all. If no one has a tent, get a tarp(s). Carry a stout piece of line. If someone breaks down and it can't be repaired right there, you can tow them to a shop or home. But never let 'em forget it. Oh, and by all means, take a camera and again, keep it simple. There's no need to cover every base on this sort of foray. The longer you stay out, the more you need to think about it and the more you need to carry.

Hey guys, this spring a few of my friends and I would like to start biking and camping where we end up (hopefully without having to pay). Since a lot of you have experience with this sort of thing, I was just wondering if you could post one or two things that you've learned from your experiences over the years. It can be anything about touring, equipment, camping, I'd appreciate any help. Thanks a lot.
Be ready for any conditions you are likely to encounter.

Have clothes that will enable you to ride in cold, and in cold rain.

Don't have dodgy wheels, racks or other equipment -- breakdown-free, reliable gear makes for much better trips. (If you are not mechanically experienced, it would probably be worthwhile to have someone who is -- maybe a good mechanic -- go through your bikes, with the understanding that you want reliability. If you don't know of any good mechanics, REI service departments are probably a better bet than random bike shops, some of which do not have the quality you want here.)

Know how to do the most useful basic repairs and maintenance.

thanks a lot for the help guys...i'm looking to buy a different bike this spring, looking for a used one in the $500 range or a little more. what features are good for a touring bike as opposed to just buying a normal road bike?
just for more information, i'm 20 and in college, so i dont' have a whole lot of money to play with.
Since I will only be going on one night trips mostly, I was thinking about buying MRE's with the chemical heaters so I wouldn't need to buy a stove. Anyone have experience eating MRE's? I figure I could handle them once a week, but I wouldn't want to eat them for days straight.

thanks a lot for the help guys...i'm looking to buy a different bike this spring, looking for a used one in the $500 range or a little more. what features are good for a touring bike as opposed to just buying a normal road bike?
just for more information, i'm 20 and in college, so i dont' have a whole lot of money to play with.
Since I will only be going on one night trips mostly, I was thinking about buying MRE's with the chemical heaters so I wouldn't need to buy a stove. Anyone have experience eating MRE's? I figure I could handle them once a week, but I wouldn't want to eat them for days straight.

There is a lot that could be said here. I've gotta go soon though. There are others here who can offer lots of good information on these things.

You might consider doing forum searches with the search features that are available here. Or you could do advanced searches using Google, and limiting the domain to bikeforums.net.

There is a good thread about "cooking-free" foods that might help regarding stove-free touring.

There are various threads about finding good quality used (including older, long-chainstay, full-braze-ons) ATBs for use as touring bikes (or MTBs -- 'ATBs' is really more appropriate in the present context, though).

There is a lot of good archived information.

When you're at your bike shop, tell them what you want to do and how much you can spend. They'll be able to help you out. They may even have some suggestions you haven't yet considered. Before you do this, you'll need to know a little about where you're planning to go, whether on paved roads, gravel or trails and whether you'll be on mostly flat land or in hills and mountains. You also need to have an idea of the gear you'll take, its weight and bulk.

Also, as others have said, make sure your bike is in good condition before you go and make sure you or one of your friends can fix things that break down.

I haven't done tours with MREs partly because one of the joys of camping is cooking. I've often made my meals using just one pot. Later, after I've washed it out, I'll use it again to make some tea in the evening. Stoves don't weigh all that much. In the past, I've traveled without a stove but I don't want to do that anymore.

I am plaining for my biggest ride to be at the end of summer. It will be three days in a row, looks like it will be about 100, 90, and 60 miles, or any other combination that adds up to the total, just thought I would want a short day by the end. Would it be in my best interest to to back-to-back long rides on weekends to get ready for this? and how long would I want to go in training?

Take a book or radio there is nothing worse then being in your tent and it is raining and you don't have anything to listen to or read.

Needing bug spray or sunscreen and not having it is worse.:)

For women, tupperware saves going out in rain or cold to pee, wouldn't tour without it!

I am plaining for my biggest ride to be at the end of summer. It will be three days in a row, looks like it will be about 100, 90, and 60 miles, or any other combination that adds up to the total, just thought I would want a short day by the end. Would it be in my best interest to to back-to-back long rides on weekends to get ready for this? and how long would I want to go in training?

Yes, back-to-back long rides on weekends would be a very good idea.

I'm not sure where you're at now with distance, but the sky is the limit on the distance of your training rides. You've got lots of time to work with. Gradually build up over the spring and early summer and then, once you're feeling comfortable longer distances ... do a century (100 miles) ... do another one a couple weeks later ... do a double century one weekend (200 miles in one day), do back-to-back centuries on another weekend ...

The more long distance cycling you do to prepare, the easier your tour is going to feel.

The rivendell bike page has a lot of good stuff on it too.
www.rivbike.com

I am plaining for my biggest ride to be at the end of summer. It will be three days in a row, looks like it will be about 100, 90, and 60 miles, or any other combination that adds up to the total, just thought I would want a short day by the end. Would it be in my best interest to to back-to-back long rides on weekends to get ready for this? and how long would I want to go in training?

One possibility is to try some overnighters. You can leave on Saturday mornings and return Sundays.

You can test things out, start with shorter trips, and see how far is far. ;)

Will your big end-of-summer ride be on the Labour Day weekend? If so, you need to start doing some planning for it fairly soon. It's the last long weekend of the summer and the campgrounds are almost always full. Also, the traffic can be terrible on that weekend. If you're using that weekend, pick a less traveled route where you don't think the weekend warriors will want to go. And be prepared to do wild camping.

it wont be labor day, it'll be the middle of august most likely. and i'm hoping to be able to stealth camp everywhere i stop, just to save on money.

It isn't as hard as it tends to look in the beginning. Once you get a bit of practice and experience, it will start to seem more natural -- more like a picnic at the beach, and less like some sort of daunting expedition.

"...and i'm hoping to be able to stealth camp everywhere i stop,"

I did a very long trip pre 9-11 and was worried about "Gorilla camping" after the terrorist bombing, but did a 50 day trip after and had no problems, typically in most states it is OK to camp on unposted land for a single night, but if you cross a fence, or boundry you are legally trespasing. (boundrys can be marked in several ways, white, Blue or Purple paint on a tree or post every 50-100 feet is a boundry in some states!) and National forest land is fine except during hunting season. National parks are off limits at all times outside of designated areas. This can be a real problem if say your riding the natchez trace (which has plenty of campng areas even several just for cyclist/hikers!) and you're asked to leave the park.

As to the bike, if your bike is sound, ride what you got for a while. I'd suggest a weekend trips to get started, take a half day on friday and ride out, plan out a general triangle with a short leg Friday.

Get your friends involved. At very least camp a few nights with them with out the bikes involved. Even the best of friends will find areas where they differ, cycling brings out the differences. I'm up in the morning and pack quickly and on the road, I'll stop in a couple hours and have breakfast. Typically break for a couple hours in the heat of the day and wander around a town. I 'm looking for a good place to get out in the woods an hour and a half before sunset (important if your Gorilla camping, often it can be hard to find a place, be very aware of this is your coming into a populated area!!!) I rarely have found comfortable companions for rides.

I don't make fires when Gorrilla camping, It's easy to devise cold meals for a couple days, you can pick up sandwichs or makings, deli foods, fruits, raw veggies.

If your Gorilla camping be sure to bath every evening!!! not just for your riding companions, but your body extrudes(?) salts which will give you a nasty rash if you don't wash, bio degradable soaps are available even at WalMart. I would suggest a camp towel which wrings out most of it's liquids with a twist, these can be expensive so you might just use a wash cloth and hand towel.

Get out and have fun, Looks like your from Wisconson, thats a pretty area for cycling, Have you been to the Cycling museum in Sparta? Sparta - Elroy trail was pretty nice remember the smells of a couple places which had lavander and another that had some mint smelling gardens.

Whit
'All who wander are not lost'

i haven't been to the cycling museum, but i've been on the elroy-sparta trail. the railroad tunnels are great. thats quite a ways south of where i am now though. my big ride will be from Eau Claire to a bit past Green Bay. that will be split into 2 days most likely

A Hennessy hammock makes finding a comfortable, well-hidden place to stealth camp a piece of cake. My most important piece of gear.

i've been having a really hard time trying to choose between a tent and a hammock. i've had a cheap hammock for a couple years and was never able to sleep in it, because i can't sleep on my back. i'd also want to use it in some colder weather, so i thought it might be a bit easier to stay warm in a tent.