Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) - Went to the LBS today

Update: I took a pic of me w/ my new gear on. Wee :)

Went to one of the LBS today, when I first walked in they were rather snooty to me, being an athena and all, asked me if I was looking for something specific, and I said, "Yeah some gear" and they're like "For you?!" And I said, "Yes for me, do you even carry plus sized gear?" and then they got a little nervous, I mean, GOD I know I'm fat, don't you dare try to be all snooty to me, I'm at least TRYING to do something about my weight. So I get a nice winter riding coat and a new helmet and some gloves talking to the people practically the whole time and by the time I left they'd extended a riding invitation to me. Ha, how the snooty people turn when they realize that fat people have feelings too.

Been there, done that. I find that my LBS (small town, next one is 30mi away) looks at me like I must be up to no good (my opinion) until I tell them why I am there. I actually went to mine today to get a new scewer for my rim and while the shop keep was busy with someone else I stood back holding my rim looking at a nice Trek on display. The whole time I could feel the guy drilling holes in my back with his stare. If gas wasn't 3.45 a gallon I would have gone to the next shop I felt so uncomfortable.

*A fat guy just parked a pickup truck by the front door now he is eyeballing an expencive bike; he must be up to no good*

I would like to think I am wrong but I think I am also a good judge of whats going on around me. (BTW I tip the scales at 6'1" 340lbs.)

I would have walked out , I hate this type of BS from LBS , Our money is as good as anyone else's if not better

Nah, I wouldn't walk out, I won't put up w/ bs so I make sure they know I'm not a pushover.

Nah, I wouldn't walk out, I won't put up w/ bs so I make sure they know I'm not a pushover.

Good for you fuish, alot of fat people have whats called the centre of attention syndrome;-)(not wanting to make a scene), not just overweight people either but you did well not to walk out and get upset. so are you gonna take them up on their invitations? blow a few cobwebs out of their heads? hehe

I guess my LBS must really be different. I walk in and they say Hi Phil, how are things today and can I help you with anything. Or, Hi Phil, can I sell you a new bike today. :-)

They were the only ones that I went into and the people were nice to me. I went to three in Omaha, and the TREK store was the worst, so I kept shopping.

Hopefully there are other shops in town with better attitudes. There are two local shops I don't go to anymore becasue of the rude servie I have recieved. (neither was relating to my weight, but bad service is bad service).

If you don't have other options for shopping local, I've been very happy with everyhting I've ever purchased from Areotech Designs and they make cycle clothes up to 5X so they obviously understand that cyclist come in all shapes and sizes.

Good luck finding something to keep warm, and right on for not puting up with rudeness based on being an Athena.

Went to one of the LBS today, when I first walked in they were rather snooty to me, being an athena and all, asked me if I was looking for something specific, and I said, "Yeah some gear" and they're like "For you?!" And I said, "Yes for me, do you even carry plus sized gear?" and then they got a little nervous, I mean, GOD I know I'm fat, don't you dare try to be all snooty to me, I'm at least TRYING to do something about my weight. So I get a nice winter riding coat and a new helmet and some gloves talking to the people practically the whole time and by the time I left they'd extended a riding invitation to me. Ha, how the snooty people turn when they realize that fat people have feelings too.

The LBS probably gets a lot of clydes and athenas who are strokers, they walk into the bike shop, stroke the nice bicycles dreaming that if they ever lose that extra 25lbs (which is often more like 75lbs), they use up a lot of staff time, then leave having not bought anything. They do buy a gallon of ice cream and 4 dozen donuts, which they eat in a depressed funk when they get home. The snootiness is a defense mechanism, so the strokers don't eat up staff time. As soon as they realized you were serious and wanting to actually buy some stuff, their mood changed.

I guess my LBS must really be different. I walk in and they say Hi Phil, how are things today and can I help you with anything. Or, Hi Phil, can I sell you a new bike today. :-)


Last Sunday's exchange at my LBS.

- (me)
+ (shop guy)


+ Oh man. This guy again?
- Yeah. I need some SKS P45's for my studded tires. Got any in the back?
+ Not for you.
(Other customer looks a little puzzled at this point)
+ Well, I guess since you already bought the tires here I'll get a pair for you.
(Heads to the back and gets my fenders)

I've got a good relationship with the gang at my LBS, and we'll bust each others' chops sometimes.

Went to one of the LBS today, when I first walked in they were rather snooty to me, being an athena and all, asked me if I was looking for something specific, and I said, "Yeah some gear" and they're like "For you?!" And I said, "Yes for me, do you even carry plus sized gear?" and then they got a little nervous, I mean, GOD I know I'm fat, don't you dare try to be all snooty to me, I'm at least TRYING to do something about my weight. So I get a nice winter riding coat and a new helmet and some gloves talking to the people practically the whole time and by the time I left they'd extended a riding invitation to me. Ha, how the snooty people turn when they realize that fat people have feelings too.

Ah man, and here I opened this link looking for pictures of a new bicycle or gear :rolleyes:.

Seriously though, congratulations on not being a push over. You went in, got what you were looking for and hopefully made whoever was working there feel like a prick. I can't tell you what to do but maybe its time for a new shop. If no other shop is available in a reasonable distance then maybe you should start ordering gear online. The best way to hurt a business is to take your dollars elsewhere be it to the shop down the street or the web.

They say that if you provide excellent service your customer will tell a friend, provide poor service and your customer will tell ten friends. As of this time (9:05 am Eastern) you have told 86 friends.

Bau

I guess my LBS must really be different. I walk in and they say Hi Phil, how are things today and can I help you with anything. Or, Hi Phil, can I sell you a new bike today. :-)


That must be really annoying for their customers who are not named Phil.

They say that if you provide excellent service your customer will tell a friend, provide poor service and your customer will tell ten friends. As of this time (9:05 am Eastern) you have told 86 friends.

Bau

This is very true, except I brag on True Wheel in Council Bluffs, because they have jumped through hoops to help me out. I have sent multiple people to their store and they have purchased new bikes, new gear, bike racks, etc........

Service seems to be rare these days and sometimes it shows. I went looking for a road bike, and planning on buying a TREK (advertising) and am now a Jamis customer and will probably stay that way.

I hope some bike shops read through some of these posts and understand how easy it is to get on a bad list quickly. The internet spreads the "work of mouth" very quickly.

The LBS probably gets a lot of clydes and athenas who are strokers, they walk into the bike shop, stroke the nice bicycles dreaming that if they ever lose that extra 25lbs (which is often more like 75lbs), they use up a lot of staff time, then leave having not bought anything. They do buy a gallon of ice cream and 4 dozen donuts, which they eat in a depressed funk when they get home. The snootiness is a defense mechanism, so the strokers don't eat up staff time. As soon as they realized you were serious and wanting to actually buy some stuff, their mood changed.

Maybe they do things different in Toronto, but when I worked retail through college we were told to treat every customer as a potential sale even if you knew they were just looking. If I owned a bike shop I would be more than happy to sell to larger riders. If you make them feel good about the purchase and themselves they will bring the bike back to you for service. If stress induced by their weight means more time in for service thats more money I would make. Clydes might be more fruitful to a bike shop in this sense. Then again I never worked in a bike shop so if I'm wrong so be it, it still makes sense to me.

Are there not skinny "strokers"? Why single clydes and athenas in your argument? You may have a valid point but crappy service is still crappy service.

Bau

Fuish, After you went through all that BS did they anything to fit you?

I don't think this is limited to LBS's. I've noticed that since I dropped weight I get treated differently at most stores that I go to.

Last week I went to Banana Republic and the clerk was falling over himself to help me. When I went in there as a XXL (now a L) I would get ignored. Bigger folks are simply harder to find stuff for and people treat fat people differently right or wrong.

I don't think this is limited to LBS's. I've noticed that since I dropped weight I get treated differently at most stores that I go to.

Last week I went to Banana Republic and the clerk was falling over himself to help me. When I went in there as a XXL (now a L) I would get ignored. Bigger folks are simply harder to find stuff for and people treat fat people differently right or wrong.

Back in my 385 pound days I went to a Foot Locker in King of Prussia, PA, and was ignored by the staff for a half hour. I left without purchasing the athletic shoes I came in for. The next morning a Black co-worker advised me I did exactly what she does when she is discriminated against - go somewhere else.

Went to one of the LBS today, when I first walked in they were rather snooty to me, being an athena and all, asked me if I was looking for something specific, and I said, "Yeah some gear" and they're like "For you?!" And I said, "Yes for me, do you even carry plus sized gear?" and then they got a little nervous, I mean, GOD I know I'm fat, don't you dare try to be all snooty to me, I'm at least TRYING to do something about my weight. So I get a nice winter riding coat and a new helmet and some gloves talking to the people practically the whole time and by the time I left they'd extended a riding invitation to me. Ha, how the snooty people turn when they realize that fat people have feelings too.

This is so awesome! I'm glad you stood up to them, and look what it got you...am invitation to ride. Assertiveness is a valuable skill! Reminds of a blog I read the other day:
http://sittingin.bicycling.com/2008/01/confronting-the.html

I guess I'm luckier than most. I've got two LBSs that I regularly patronize (one near work, one near home), and they both know and treat me with respect. Of course, when you walk in with a bike that's obviously been tricked for commuting and ridden hard, that might make a difference. My bike's not pretty, but you can tell it gets ridden.

When I first went into the shop near my home to buy a bike, I explained to the clerk why I wanted one and what I wanted to do with it, and he was very helpful. He recommended a couple of models for me, fit me to a couple for some test rides, and explained the differences between them, with some specific recommendations about why one would be a better ride for a clyde than the other.

I doubt that the guys at either shop know my name, but they're all welcoming and very helpful whenever I come in. OTOH, we have lots of shops here in the Seattle area, so if you don't like one for any reason, there's another just down the road. That probably makes a big difference.

Went to my LBS (Richardson Bike Mart) and, due to experiences like yours, was fairly apprehensive. Just needed a new mirror for my helmet, bought it and was doing my share looking at all the goodies I can't justify buying (to my Spousal Unit).
Was very surprised when two of the guys pulled me aside...Seems a new bike designer/developer had brought in some bikes and they wanted me to try them. My immediate response was to duck and cover (damned Pavlovian conditioning!), but they didn't have to do too much arm twisting.
Had a blast riding on the road in the back on these things with the staff. I know what I want for Christmas now! They just made me a customer for life being so welcoming.
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Now I told you That story to get to this one...
Went to their other store by Whiterock and got the other treatment...felt the "fat guy alert" signal from the staff. If I could have bought the tires I needed at the first store I would have just walked out.
I guess I could have ordered them on line, but was hoping to get a ride in that afternoon.
As it turned out, I ended the day feeling demeaned and didn't take the ride because of the freakish arctic wind that started blasting when I got everything ready (only made it for a mile before turning blue and heading home.)
I'll be using the shop close to home form now on.

The more you show your face in the shop and talk to the people there, the more familiar and comfortable you will become with each other. After a while, you'll be stopping in to say hello, cracking jokes, etc.

That's what I did when our new LBS opened a few years ago.

It's kinda human nature to be a little uncomfortable with that which you are unfamiliar.

Went to one of the LBS today, when I first walked in they were rather snooty to me, being an athena and all, . . .

The bike shop I frequent has never been snooty to me; this is why I frequent them. They have definitely increased the amounts of plus-sized bicycle clothing they carry in the last couple years.

When I first went there I could only find men's shorts that would fit me but in the last year and a half or so, they started carrying more and more stuff, women's specifically plus-sized stuff, I can wear. And I notice it is selling too.

The owner of the shop is a really nice guy and he sez my Boulder is the most-ridden bike of it's kind; I am not high-milage, but I am pretty regular-mileage. And he knows that I come in fairly frequently to buy stuff with my husband--I guess you could call us regulars. I have seen a few other athena sized women in there and I know I am not buying all of the stuff, so I wonder if my regularity has influenced his stocking decisions. . . ? I hope so because having bike stuff available fairly close-by is great!

I have been through this quite a few times, mostly at the shops that cater to the "Roadie" segment of the market. I found that smaller shops have a far less judgemental approach to sales.

When I was close to 300lbs, a lot of sales people at stores looked at me like I was a space alien or something. Not exactly a reassuring thing.

Sad to say, in our culture, certainly in anything having to do with sports, heavier people won't allways be treated well. But keep at it.

I walk into my LBS in performance clothes all the time and one kid once accidently pointed out the LBS jersey/bib that I should get. Well everyone else in there and I know there is not a single piece of clothing (save socks) that I could possibly wear. So I told him sure if you find my size so I gave it to him and my waist measurement and after a somewhat sheepish reaction he walked to the rack a second and then dissapeared. Poor guy ;)
The mechanic last night was much nicer but for good or bad kinda blows of my weight as a real problem.
I'm having issues with my old fashioned BB where just friction holds it in. It is sliding right and he jokingly said I must pedal harder with one foot.
So I mentioned I do have limited movement in my left ankle due to surgery and weigh in at oh more then twice as much as most riders so maybe. He nodded and said well it could be anything really maybe one crank flexes more then the other or ... but a little epoxy in there and it shouldn't move until we want it to when servicing it.

The problem is that you don't have much choice if you live in a smaller town. Except when I lived in Minneapolis for a few years and worked at a shop myself, I've always lived in smallish cities that can support no more than three bike shops. You have to just learn who to talk to and how to handle everyone else.

My LBS is the best. I stop in mnay times just to say howdy. Nice folks and they have always been dynamite. Helped outfit me and get all my bikes set up. I count myself fortunate.

Being a short little 130lbs kid, I don't usually visit the Clyde forum, but I saw this on the main page and was curious. It reminded me of this one little incident when I worked at a bike store.

During one of the slow days I had to organize the racks of shorts and bibs by size and price. A couple days later a larger gentleman comes in looking at the shorts, so I try to explain how they were organized and said something like "On the left are the cheap ones, going up in size, like here's an (I pull out a random short) Extra Large". He said "Oh, so you jumped right to the extra-large, huh?" with a smile. Later on he was joking around saying stuff like "So where do you stock the moo-moos?"

So it was a little awkward for everyone, but I think he ended up buying them :p

Fortunately, my town has 2 LBS's. I patronize the 2nd, after being ignored at the 1at.

Oh yeah, BTW, my LBS is about an hour away. So it really isn't local, but I do use him for just about everything.

I wandered into a clothing store at the mall a few month back, definitely not my kind of shop since I am not into this style of ultra tight hip hugger sort of things one of my kids is wearing. I wasn't 15 feet through the front door before some skinny teenager let me know there was nothing in my size in the shop. I wear 36 - 38 waist pants with a 34 inseam, I ain't small but don't they cut out a large segment of the population with that sort of approach? I resisted to impulse to squash the kid like a bug and found what I was looking for elsewhere. Not surprisingly the store was gone when I was Christmas shopping at the same mall back in Dec.

I guess thats sort of off topic, but if a bike shop made me feel uncomfortable I would go to a different shop. Lots of choices in town. There is one shop in town that seems to cater to the very high end customer for road and mountain bikes. Although they have never been anything but courteous to me while in the shop, I doubt they had an over sized utility biker in mind when then decided what to carry. Obviously I don't go in there very much even though they are very convenient to where I work.

Okay, you see, there are other bike shops around town, in fact the one that I love to go to and have NEVER been treated poorly in doesn't carry gear. I mean, they might have 2 jerseys and 2 pairs of shorts, but this store I went to was like a bike superstore, had lots of clothes and lots of gear and TONS of road bikes. I don't put up with prejudice in my own way, which would be by teaching ignorant people that just because someone is fat, doesn't mean that they're going to be pushed around and walked all over. 3 years ago, I would have walked out, but my confidence levels are much higher now and I don't put up with that anymore. I won't be chased off by ignorant fools, I'll teach them to treat you guys better when you walk in to buy something ;)

Another thing to consider (this is the case with my LBS) is that they might only have one or two sizes of a particular item, but they can usually get it within a couple days. Doesn't really make sense to have 5 sizes of every garment with space considerations and all.

Another thing to consider (this is the case with my LBS) is that they might only have one or two sizes of a particular item, but they can usually get it within a couple days. Doesn't really make sense to have 5 sizes of every garment with space considerations and all.

Although when you go into a store and they have 40 of every garment, in size XS and 30 in size S you kinda wonder if they wouldn't do better by having fewer of each size, but more sizes available...... Say your the LBS and ordering bike shorts, and there are 5 different styles from the same manufacturer, you order different styles in different sizes, so style 1 you get in sizes XS and S, style 2 you get in S and M, style 3 you get in M and L, style 4 you get in L and XL, style 5 you get in XL and 2XL. We all know that Louis Garneau and Sugoi have completely different ideas of what L means......

If the person ordering has a brain, then they don't need to do it very long before they know what sizes sell and what sizes don't. Really though, why is it the guy who is size S can get whatever he wants in one trip, but the guy who is size L or larger needs to make 2 trips, every single time, that's size discrimination! :eek:

I think crappy service and employees with attitude problems is pretty much the standard operating model any more. I get it from McDonald's to the Doctors' Offices and everywhere in between.

I don't really chalk it up to my weight. While I am hard to fit at 6', 215 lbs with a 50" chest, 36" waist, and 32" inseam; well, let's just say suits off the rack don't work and the typical "XL" jersey is a joke.

The only general bias I think I see is that if you aren't a body/style double for the service person (e.g. spiked pink hair, eleventeen piercings and a tattoo) you're gonna get the bums rush from the hired help.

The little blue haired ladies at the sewing machine shop are the worst.

The best reaction I ever got from correcting "the help" was at an Optometrists office. An hour and a half past my scheduled appointment time (I took off work early to arrive 15 minutes before my scheduled time) I walked up to the snotty receptionist, told her to take my name off the waiting list and that she and her boss were fired for making me wait at least 45 minutes for my last 3 scheduled appointments.

The staff of 4 or 5 and the packed waiting room froze in complete shock. They had apparently never seen or heard of a "patient" firing the whole lot for piss-poor performance.

I always start out courteous and respectful, but if I'm paying the bill, I do not suffer fools gladly.

I wandered into a clothing store at the mall a few month back, definitely not my kind of shop since I am not into this style of ultra tight hip hugger sort of things one of my kids is wearing. I wasn't 15 feet through the front door before some skinny teenager let me know there was nothing in my size in the shop. I wear 36 - 38 waist pants with a 34 inseam, I ain't small but don't they cut out a large segment of the population with that sort of approach?

I hear ya. I'm 6'3", 220, 35-36 inch waist, 34" inseam and I wear a 44L in a sport coat with a 37" sleeve.

It's rare that I fit into anything off-the-rack. On the other hand, I don't really find anything that fits (or that I like for that matter) in Big&Tall.

As a consequence I have a few go-to brands/stores. I end up buying a lot of shirts from Wrangler (thank god western shirts are kind of in style these days and they only cost about $20) at places like fleet farm and tractor supply. if I need something dressier, Eddie Bauer usually has a L/T that fits me like a glove. I have to roll the sleeves up on everything else I buy because they are just too short for me. Jeans are much easier to find but, even so, I've noticed that the larger/longer sizes tend to disappear much faster.

It's the same thing with bike clothes. I'd like to patronize the LBS but the larger sizes in their nicer clothing are gone. I can usually find low-end shorts because I wear a large, but 99 times out of 100 they don't have a single jersey that will fit across my chest or is long enough for my torso. Most times they don't want to order me anything without a full deposit.

Having worked in a bike store, I know that the other problem is that manufacturers sometimes just don't make larger bike clothes because they think it's not profitable. But of course if the LBS is not ordering the stuff and the consumer can't try it on and buy it, it becomes a self-fullfilling prophecy. The point is that if you carry brands X, Y and Z, it's likely that none of them make a jersey my size, let alone for someone taller or bigger.

Don't even get me started on women's cycling clothing.

This isn't going to change any time soon, so I think the message is to buy off the internet from companies like Voler and Aerotech that make good stuff for larger folks, have good customer service and a generous return policy. If you can find a few other brands that fit well, you're all set. I personally really like Nalini jerseys which you can find at a fair price from time to time.

I went into the LBS and said I wanted to try some road bikes out and they snickered and said maybe you should look into getting a breezy ( I think that's what they are called ). I said yea, maybe your right. Anyhow I went into That same LBS this past week and they said did you find a bike. I said yes, I bought a Specialized Roubaix, carbon bike. You should have seen there face's. I guess old guy's can buy road bikes as well as young one's. Oh, I'm 67 and I do love riding. Maybe they learned something, maybe not, but when they get off there high horse and treat people the way they would like to be treated, they may find life a little easier. I just keep telling myself and sometime them, you need me a lot more than I need you.

There are a lot of clothing stores I don't even bother entering since they don't have plus sizes. But I can't stand most of the plus sized stores in Toronto because the quality of the clothes are crummy, the prices high (even accounting for the extra material and time), and generally look like muu muus (even if it's a pair of dress pants). So, I order all of my clothes by mail order, typically Lands End, Terry's, Junonia, and LL Bean. The quality is high and the prices are reasonable.

That said, when I started looking for a bike I was incredibly apprehensive. Most stores didn't bother to look at me twice and barely paid enough attention to me to answer even my first question. I was glad when I visited my LBS (Urbane Cyclist in Toronto) because the people were friendly and positive. I tried out quite a few bikes until I found my bike and they happily upgraded the rims and set it up for me. I suggest it to all of my friends and always take my bike there for any servicing.

When I look for a road bike I'll go there and get it!

I went into the LBS and said I wanted to try some road bikes out and they snickered and said maybe you should look into getting a breezy ( I think that's what they are called ). I said yea, maybe your right. Anyhow I went into That same LBS this past week and they said did you find a bike. I said yes, I bought a Specialized Roubaix, carbon bike. You should have seen there face's. I guess old guy's can buy road bikes as well as young one's. Oh, I'm 67 and I do love riding. Maybe they learned something, maybe not, but when they get off there high horse and treat people the way they would like to be treated, they may find life a little easier. I just keep telling myself and sometime them, you need me a lot more than I need you.

:beer:

I haven't found a LBS in Orange County which carries anything over a XL. Not a specialty store nor a big box like Sports Authority. What, fat people don't wanna get healthy? And then you wonder why you're losing business to the virtual stores.

And where did clothes manufacturers get the damnfool notion that all plus-sized women have big tits?

"Ha, how the snooty people turn when they realize that fat people have feelings too. "

More likely, how they turn when they realize fat people have money, too!

As to Richardson Bike Mart- I was in the White Rock store one time, bunch of fit-looking customers in there, and no one even said hello to me, as they were all busy taking care of "real" customers. But I went to the Richardson store a while back, and I think about 6 different people asked me if they could help me before I got out of there. I hadn't thought about the contrast between the two.

I have discovered in the past that if you walk into a nice store (like a department store) wearing really grungy worked-on-the-car type clothes, they're always quick to jump in and offer their assistance. Dress nice and you get ignored, though.

While we're griping about clothes...

Mens jeans. Does any company make a pair for guys with a cyclist's build (i.e. actually has a butt)?
If they fit in the waist, they're too tight across the seat and quads. If they fit the quads and seat, they're huge on my waist, or they're some goofy raver-kid pants with 30" leg holes.
Levi's 550s used to fit, and now they're cut differently.

I asked my LBS when they planned to get some jerseys for someone other than stick people. He laughed and order me one no charge and gave it to me as a Christmas gift.

While we're griping about clothes...

Mens jeans. Does any company make a pair for guys with a cyclist's build (i.e. actually has a butt)?
If they fit in the waist, they're too tight across the seat and quads. If they fit the quads and seat, they're huge on my waist, or they're some goofy raver-kid pants with 30" leg holes.
Levi's 550s used to fit, and now they're cut differently.

A tailer is your friend. I have not butt and have to have all my pants altered. Sometimes the altering cost more than the pants, but they fit and look much better.

When I was looking for a bike, one shop guy told me to come back when I was serious. Since then I've done about 30 centuries, 40,000 miles and spent $12,000 on bikes. He's gone out of business and I'm still trying to get serious!:D

Tailor!

I have similar problems, Big quads, but no butt. A belt is my friend. :D

A tailer is your friend. I have not butt and have to have all my pants altered. Sometimes the altering cost more than the pants, but they fit and look much better.

A tailer is your friend. I have not butt and have to have all my pants altered. Sometimes the altering cost more than the pants, but they fit and look much better.

Might want to check with the tailor first, you might be surprised to find a pair of custom pants are cheaper then a major altering job, after all your not paying for work to undo work you paid for, just to redo it again.....

Tailor!

OK, spelling is not my friend at 2:12 am on the East Coast. :p

While we're griping about clothes...

Mens jeans. Does any company make a pair for guys with a cyclist's build (i.e. actually has a butt)?
If they fit in the waist, they're too tight across the seat and quads. If they fit the quads and seat, they're huge on my waist, or they're some goofy raver-kid pants with 30" leg holes.
Levi's 550s used to fit, and now they're cut differently.

The 550s are junk. I wear the 569s because they have a roomier leg without being baggy. They also make 569 corduroys that are nice.

Might want to check with the tailor first, you might be surprised to find a pair of custom pants are cheaper then a major altering job, after all your not paying for work to undo work you paid for, just to redo it again.....

Been there too. I have a couple pair, but since I have been losing weight, it wasn't money wise at the time. Once I hit my goal weight, that is probably what I will do.

Ack my thread has been turned into a mens jeans thread! hehe