"The 33"-Road Bike Racing - Jefferson Cup Roll Call

After a bit of panic this morning, I made the Cat 4 list on the Jefferson Cup before it closed. Work computer wouldn't let me register and had to make the mad dash to have the wife make the registration. Who else is in? 8 weeks!

F*** jeff cup. No CatV field, and even though I can upgrade to 4 before the race, there's no CatIV field for people under the age of 40!!!! WHAT GIVES!

F*** jeff cup. No CatV field, and even though I can upgrade to 4 before the race, there's no CatIV field for people under the age of 40!!!! WHAT GIVES!

B, you can come and take revenge on us old guys over 40 at Tradezone in the B race.

Actually, I'm looking forward to meeting a lot of y'all at Tradezone. Keep an eye out for me - I'm the stupid young guy whose bike gear outclasses his skill.

And, you be oriental like me, 'cept I pillowpeeno! ;)

After a bit of panic this morning, I made the Cat 4 list on the Jefferson Cup before it closed. Work computer wouldn't let me register and had to make the mad dash to have the wife make the registration. Who else is in? 8 weeks!


i'll be there..wm cat 4... but i'll be there....

I'm there, hanging on for dear life in the p123 field ... at least for a while, then after I get shelled, I'll be enjoying a leisurely ride through Monticello

F*** jeff cup. No CatV field, and even though I can upgrade to 4 before the race, there's no CatIV field for people under the age of 40!!!! WHAT GIVES!

dude there totally is a regular cat 4 field. chill out

dude there totally is a regular cat 4 field. chill out

No, there isn't. There's 40+ and Sr. 4. I'm not a "senior".

No, there isn't. There's 40+ and Sr. 4. I'm not a "senior".

Then what are you?

dude...

botto's going to love this thread

No, there isn't. There's 40+ and Sr. 4. I'm not a "senior".

Unless you're a Junior, i.e. U18, you're a senior...

No, there isn't. There's 40+ and Sr. 4. I'm not a "senior".

Senior = not junior. Not senior citizen or anything.

well i'll be doing the collegiate A race. is anyone else on this forum (besides recneps) racing A's in the ACCC this year?

In for the Senior IVs.

I hope they don't notice that I have not turned 40 yet :).

Senior = not junior? d'oh! All of my teammates were like "No dude you have to be 40"

Oh well, there's always next year.

Actually, I'm looking forward to meeting a lot of y'all at Tradezone. Keep an eye out for me - I'm the stupid young guy whose bike gear outclasses his skill.
wait. Which one?:D

Collegiate B. Although racing A would probably be a very educational experience for me at this point.



wait. Which one?:D

hahahaha

I'll be racing Collegiate C for youveeay. I hope :)
Looking forward to the ACCC season anyway.

I'm jealous. I used to officiate that race, and the route was one of my regular training routes. Acorn user, I assume you ride for UVA; I did briefly as well while I was in grad school. Have fun, and listen to Ruth.

P/1/2/3

I might be doing it unattached, too.

unattached? whats up with that?

Hah. Thats cool. Way to freak out bd!

1-18 junior
19-34 senior or elite (mostly some masters are 30+)
35+ master

This thread delivers!

Hah. Thats cool. Way to freak out bd!

1-18 junior
19-34 senior or elite (mostly some masters are 30+)
35+ master

so a 37 y.o. cant be a sr. or elite? I better re-register.:rolleyes:

unattached? whats up with that?

i'm not sure i know but it seems like the right thing for me to do.

Hah. Thats cool. Way to freak out bd!

Just showing off my inexperience. Aren't you jealous?

I can't say any more without giving away too much to that twisted fiend +SP+ ;)

Suffice to say that Ruth is very good, and that racing A would be to know pain.

I'll be there racing cat 4. I never really see why people think Jeff Cup is such a good race. The only thing I really like about it is the full rolling enclosure so you don't have the center line rule. Other then that the cat 4 races have been rather uneventful.

I guess it's the first place to show off your winter training, which in my case has been rather pitiful.

I'll be there racing cat 4. I never really see why people think Jeff Cup is such a good race. The only thing I really like about it is the full rolling enclosure so you don't have the center line rule. Other then that the cat 4 races have been rather uneventful.

I guess it's the first place to show off your winter training, which in my case has been rather pitiful.

If you raced more up here, you'd appreciate Jeff Cup:) The MABRA schedule is understandably very crit heavy, so anything out on the road is wonderful. I missed registration for the p/1/2/3 so I guess my first race will be Walkersville this year.

If you raced more up here, you'd appreciate Jeff Cup:) The MABRA schedule is understandably very crit heavy, so anything out on the road is wonderful. I missed registration for the p/1/2/3 so I guess my first race will be Walkersville this year.

well said. too bad you didnt pull the trigger for registration prior to it filling up.

well said. too bad you didnt pull the trigger for registration prior to it filling up.

I hadn't renewed my license and didn't expect that race to fill so quickly. oh well... i should have known better.

I'm there, hanging on for dear life in the p123 field ... at least for a while, then after I get shelled, I'll be enjoying a leisurely ride through Monticello

The last climb (if you're riding from Jeff Cup course) up toward Monticello isn't exactly leisurely, at least not for me, but the descent afterwards is SO MUCH FUN!

I'll be there in collegiate women's B. I hope people DON'T listen to Ruth so much this season (she's the head ACCC person as well as in charge of UVA), because she's trying to make us have training clinics at the start of the race. We should just run with Wm4 like last year. We don't have the intro category in the ACCC (WmC). WmB is a 3/4 category. I guess I should've worked towards upgrading last year. They used to not care so much about USCF categories correlating with what you raced collegiate. Nor did they treat the Bs (or men's D) like we ride the short bus.

Sorry for the rant...

The last climb (if you're riding from Jeff Cup course) up toward Monticello isn't exactly leisurely, at least not for me, but the descent afterwards is SO MUCH FUN!

I'll be there in collegiate women's B. I hope people DON'T listen to Ruth so much this season (she's the head ACCC person as well as in charge of UVA), because she's trying to make us have training clinics at the start of the race. We should just run with Wm4 like last year. We don't have the intro category in the ACCC (WmC). WmB is a 3/4 category. I guess I should've worked towards upgrading last year. They used to not care so much about USCF categories correlating with what you raced collegiate. Nor did they treat the Bs (or men's D) like we ride the short bus.

Sorry for the rant...

I read the sign-up and it said that the wms 4 race the first 10 miles is an INTRO to racing... what's up with that.... so do they expect me to put training wheels on my bike or what... if I'm there to race.. let me race... if I get dropped... well then I get dropped... I don't need anyone holding my hand...

Someone please explain...

I read the sign-up and it said that the wms 4 race the first 10 miles is an INTRO to racing... what's up with that.... so do they expect me to put training wheels on my bike or what... if I'm there to race.. let me race... if I get dropped... well then I get dropped... I don't need anyone holding my hand...

Someone please explain...

It's not about you being dropped, it's about you being a hazard to yourself and others. In my observation, Wms 4 races always have the most, nastiest, and ridiculously stupid crashes, makes cat 5 look like a pro field. If you've not raced before, be happy someone is holding your hand in an intro.

That being said, I have no idea why an actual race would be run as an intro to racing, that should be your responsibilty and done prior to race day by the club you're on or some other means.

The race director is a big promoter of jr cycling and getting cyclists into the sport. That's why you have the Jr/4/5 field with age restrictions and the Wms 4 race Intro.

That being said, I have no idea why an actual race would be run as an intro to racing, that should be your responsibilty and done prior to race day by the club you're on or some other means.[/QUOTE]

That was really my question... I would love to ride through the course before hand with a much more seasoned rider... Heck I'd show up extra early for that.... I agree it my responsibility to come as prepared to race as possible... just curious as to why it was included as part of the actual race....

I'm in two minds about the beginner race thing. I think it's great for the early season races. But after that, they might have had enough. Of course, that will move people out of D into C quickly, but the jump from women's B to A is just not comparable. For starters, most A road races are run with men's A. This is to get folks experience of riding in large, sketchy groups for Nats, which is sensible. But it makes the transition really hard. In reality, there are not many women As who can finish with the men's Bs. But then, two or three of them would smoke the C field ;)

Sadly, the need for it is partly due to clubs and teams not helping their own riders.

The course itself is not too bad. I made the mistake of riding the other way around in training, and that was much more hair raising! Basically a bunch of rollers in pretty countryside with one big climb per lap. It's certainly one of the hillier ACCC races!

I'm in two minds about the beginner race thing. I think it's great for the early season races. But after that, they might have had enough. Of course, that will move people out of D into C quickly, but the jump from women's B to A is just not comparable. For starters, most A road races are run with men's A. This is to get folks experience of riding in large, sketchy groups for Nats, which is sensible. But it makes the transition really hard. In reality, there are not many women As who can finish with the men's Bs. But then, two or three of them would smoke the C field ;)

Sadly, the need for it is partly due to clubs and teams not helping their own riders.

The course itself is not too bad. I made the mistake of riding the other way around in training, and that was much more hair raising! Basically a bunch of rollers in pretty countryside with one big climb per lap. It's certainly one of the hillier ACCC races!


Thanks....
my goals, they are simple, don't crash.. don't cause a crash... and ride my race....
Will you be there? I'll be in the black and gold of Team Army :)

Exactly. The jump from Women's B to A is not comparable to Men's D to C. It's like women's C to B, which we do not have in this conference. I'm assuming, Colonelmom, that they will be running the Wm4 and WmB together this year like last year, and since Ruth is mandating these racing clinics for WmB, that is why it is impacting your field. After the clinic, we are supposed to line up again and then restart the race. It's complete BS. In order for the collegiate riders to move up to A, we need to upgrade to 3 (although B is a 3/4 category). That takes a lot more starts and better results than for a man to get out of cat5. I raced only collegiate last year, but I did a lot of races. Several races were canceled too. Even though I was allowed to enter some A races last year, and I stayed in the top 3rd in the B standings all year, I do not have enough races to cat-up. I'm not going to lie, there are some B racers who really need help with their skills. However, that shouldn't be done during a race. They should hold a separate clinic on race day if that's what USAC is mandating we do this year. That is what some promoters are doing for the beginners.

Acorn_user, I like riding the course backwards, especially the second 2/3. It's a bit hillier, but I loathe that long false flat. I'll go around that way to head off towards Monticello just for the purpose of skipping the false flat, even though I probably should practice that part more often.

After a bit of panic this morning, I made the Cat 4 list on the Jefferson Cup before it closed. Work computer wouldn't let me register and had to make the mad dash to have the wife make the registration. Who else is in? 8 weeks

:eek: That is going to be a FAST Cat 4 race. What are you at now Nomad 4.8 w/kg FTP 350? There is going to be some crying in that field.

Exactly. The jump from Women's B to A is not comparable to Men's D to C. It's like women's C to B, which we do not have in this conference. I'm assuming, Colonelmom, that they will be running the Wm4 and WmB together this year like last year, and since Ruth is mandating these racing clinics for WmB, that is why it is impacting your field. After the clinic, we are supposed to line up again and then restart the race. It's complete BS. In order for the collegiate riders to move up to A, we need to upgrade to 3 (although B is a 3/4 category). That takes a lot more starts and better results than for a man to get out of cat5. I raced only collegiate last year, but I did a lot of races. Several races were canceled too. Even though I was allowed to enter some A races last year, and I stayed in the top 3rd in the B standings all year, I do not have enough races to cat-up. I'm not going to lie, there are some B racers who really need help with their skills. However, that shouldn't be done during a race. They should hold a separate clinic on race day if that's what USAC is mandating we do this year. That is what some promoters are doing for the beginners.

Acorn_user, I like riding the course backwards, especially the second 2/3. It's a bit hillier, but I loathe that long false flat. I'll go around that way to head off towards Monticello just for the purpose of skipping the false flat, even though I probably should practice that part more often.

That's how I used to ride it as a training route. I loved that last climb up to Monticello, except on really nice spring weekends when the road was packed with tourists. Had many interesting incidents on that descent down the other side (past Michie Tavern). Is that 250? Damn, I wish I could be there!

yeah, I'll be riding the WM4s... I used to train and race a little back in 1980 something.. Then I was stationed at Fort Carson, CO (Colorado Springs) and even though I was in the Army.. we were able to ride and train a little with the Air Force Academy's team...
SO needless to say.. its been a while...
I have no issues with the clinic.. like you..just wish it was run seperately... I'll always take pointers from better riders...
IF I can get there before the race... would you suggest riding the course? I would have to make them day trips since I live south of Richmond..

yeah, I'll be riding the WM4s... I used to train and race a little back in 1980 something.. Then I was stationed at Fort Carson, CO (Colorado Springs) and even though I was in the Army.. we were able to ride and train a little with the Air Force Academy's team...
SO needless to say.. its been a while...
I have no issues with the clinic.. like you..just wish it was run seperately... I'll always take pointers from better riders...
IF I can get there before the race... would you suggest riding the course? I would have to make them day trips since I live south of Richmond..

Un-necessary, but you're only +/- 1 hr. away so if it fits into your training schedule it wouldnt hurt, and may help with your confidence/strategy. FWIW - Jeff cup is a mostly non-selective race (doesnt favor climbers, no climbs more than a couple of minutes and nothing is steep) on rolling terrain with a slight uphill/false flat finish. There are a couple of tight turns when going from one road to another, I cant really remember which ones, and one very fun 50-ish mph non-technical descent that you should be near the front of the group on so that if anyone gets sketch, they're behind you.

one very fun 50-ish mph non-technical descent that you should be near the front of the group on so that if anyone gets sketch, they're behind you.

Non-technical in the sense that it's absolutely dead straight, with a 90* right turn at the bottom.

Un-necessary, but you're only +/- 1 hr. away so if it fits into your training schedule it wouldnt hurt, and may help with your confidence/strategy. FWIW - Jeff cup is a mostly non-selective race (doesnt favor climbers, no climbs more than a couple of minutes and nothing is steep) on rolling terrain with a slight uphill/false flat finish. There are a couple of tight turns when going from one road to another, I cant really remember which ones, and one very fun 50-ish mph non-technical descent that you should be near the front of the group on so that if anyone gets sketch, they're behind you.

I know their arent many road races here but I dont get why its so popular if it isnt very selective. Seems like a long way to drive for a group ride with a sprint at the end.

of course if it was on a sunday and not saturday i would probably be there too.

I know their arent many road races here but I dont get why its so popular if it isnt very selective. Seems like a long way to drive for a group ride with a sprint at the end.

of course if it was on a sunday and not saturday i would probably be there too.

my guess it.. when you look at BIKEREG, it is one of the few RR in VA.. everything esle is in PA, or NC and/or CRITs and TT...

my guess it.. when you look at BIKEREG, it is one of the few RR in VA.. everything esle is in PA, or NC and/or CRITs and TT...

http://www.vacycling.org/calendar.html

Reason jeff cup is so well attended is that it is the traditional calender kickoff of the year for MABRA (D20) and VA (D42), and there are lots of BAR points in road races. if it were in august, fields would be wide open. A few years ago, the age-graded road race for D20 and D42 was in Jeff cup territory and fields were <30, but it was in August.