Lol - yeah this could get out of hand in a hurry. ;) I'll start trying to organize stuff for this today. Really I had just initially thought of seeing who wanted one and everyone pony up $$$ for the actual cost and then ordering the jerseys. I really like the Fisher House idea though. That presents a whole set of issues and is taking it to a whole other level of organization. Any suggestions/thoughts on what the mark up should be over costs to get a donation to the Fisher House?
When testing new camouflage designs they have an objective test of just putting someone in the woods wearing each design and people rate how visible that material is. Someone came up with the wack design of not using anything natural like tree branches and such, but taking the normal camo design and pixellating it like a scaled up bitmap image. Well, that rated the best in the visibility tests so that's what our services now use.
scotch
02-16-08, 07:28 AM
two thumbs up on this idea.
chipcom
02-16-08, 07:32 AM
I'd go for it...especially a 'Save a Jarhead' version. ;)
Brian Ratliff
02-16-08, 08:15 AM
Ok - on the Austin Road Riders site I was talking about the merits of encouraging people to commute by bike and said something along the lines it might even help reduce our dependency for foreign oil and our needs to protect our interests there. I concluded by saying "Save a soldier? Ride a bike". Well, the idea has caught on(with an ex-soldier leading the way) and it looks like I'm going to have champ-sys print some up.
I thought I'd throw it out here to:
a.)discuss what you think of the saying in general.
b.)see what people think of the jersey idea.
c.)see if anyone would be interested in getting in on the jersey order.
:)
Yea... I think a redneck will take offense at this jersey idea. Complex notions of how using less oil will trickle down and make middle east fighting less intense are a little too much for them to handle. They'd think you were just making fun of the war and fail to see your point. Now, if it were our president who suggested the idea...
Sapling
02-16-08, 10:09 AM
Do you really think reading a jersey and making a decision to run someone over based on its message is something a redneck would do??:D
brianallan
02-16-08, 11:54 AM
"save a soldier, don't enlist"
ravenmore
02-16-08, 12:38 PM
ok - a couple of hours in frustration at trying to design a jersey. I'll try again a bit later.
mpd224
02-16-08, 01:01 PM
I love this idea and I'm in. I have a couple of buddies that I was in with that have been wounded and the Fisher House was a huge help to their families.
"save a soldier, don't enlist"
You know just remember, it is those soldiers and Marines that have given you the ability to spew crap like this. If you go on this theory, we will be speaking a foreign language in no time.
dsilver668
02-16-08, 01:07 PM
Hi Ravenmore I know this can be a bit daunting. Ok I think you should charge $20.00 over the cost of production shipping etc.
Here is a green digital camo example:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/Tw.jpg
Here is quick list of companies that might be able to produce them:
http://www.champ-sys.com/
http://www.customsublimation.com/
http://www.bikejerseys.com/customjerseys.html
http://www.voler.com/default.aspx
http://www.primalwear.com/customproducts.cfm
If we move forward we might want to interface with Shore house to see first that they aprove, and also how to go about it. Since they are a non profit they might be able to assist in getting a discounted price. Hope this helps.
mpd224
02-16-08, 01:36 PM
Yea, I kind of agree with you. At first, I wasn't too crazy about the "ride a bike to conserve oil which will save a soldiers life by not sending them over there" idea. However, after mention of proceeds going to the Fisher House or some other organization that helps soldiers and their families, I'm all in. If nothing else, we need to take care of our soldiers and veterans.
Patriot
02-16-08, 01:48 PM
Instead of raising so many political insinuations, why not just organize a ride with tons of riders that are sponsored to specifically help out the wounded veterans?
You could probably make alot more money from getting sponsors, and even some local media support, which would turn it into a good cause worth everyones participation.
And for the riders, a Fisher House jersey, instead of a jersey with a slogan that will undoubtedly make alot of people very angry at the negative politics behind it.
Now that would be a worthwhile cause.
mpd224
02-16-08, 03:08 PM
I was messing around with photo shop and came up with this. Not the greatest, but maybe it's something to start with
Lol - yeah this could get out of hand in a hurry. ;)
Too late, already did.
That ^ ^ ^ ^ is super fugly btw!
hyunelan2
02-16-08, 03:36 PM
I think it's a neat idea, I'll follow the thread to see where it goes.
Also to throw in another place to look at, Twin Six (http://www.twinsix.com) has made some non-for-proffit custom stuff in the past, like the Fat Cyclist Pink Lemonaide jersey to benefit cancer research (or LAF, something along those lines).
jemoryl
02-16-08, 06:12 PM
Sorry, but I'll stick with my "We could have saved a lot of soliders by impeaching that damn Texan" jersey......
Sirrobinofcoxly
02-16-08, 06:52 PM
I like it. Clever, and motivating. Well done.
dsilver668
02-16-08, 06:57 PM
hahaha yeah ok the grey pixel cammo is a bit well ugly. LOL
It would be cool if we could use the fisher house logo on a sleeve or something.
http://www.fisherhouse.org/
Still trying to figure out the best way to represent support to each of the branches of the armed forces. In a sublte PC way of course..
keisatsu
02-16-08, 07:11 PM
being a Portland Oregon living, Subaru driving, 30 mile bike commuting tree hugger I freakin' approve!
Best idea ive heard in a looong time...
digital camo FTW!
mrt10x
02-16-08, 07:35 PM
Listen if those of us in the military managed to keep our opinions to ourselves during this thread any chance the rest of you idiots can just move the other crap over to P&R. The message is fine.. the Fisher House is an amazing organization. Just keep the childish snide remarks to yourself.
dsilver668
02-16-08, 07:44 PM
Thank you mrt10x couldn't have said it better myself. :)
+1
Ravenmore isnt here trolling but trying to organize something. Something to help families of those who gave of themselves. Regardless of the reason the families of those soldiers deserve our help.
My father always said if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all.
So lets be constructive and get this done..
:beer:
jemoryl
02-16-08, 08:13 PM
Thank you mrt10x couldn't have said it better myself. :)
+1
Ravenmore isnt here trolling but trying to organize something. Something to help families of those who gave of themselves. Regardless of the reason the families of those soldiers deserve our help.
My father always said if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all.
So lets be constructive and get this done..
:beer:
So we should only say nice things? That world would be very boring.
Look, the OP wasn't originally trying to organize anything to help families, etc. He was trying to make a connection between riding bikes = less dependence on foreign oil = less need to send in the Marines. Others have brought in Fisher House (a worthy cause, no doubt), styles of camo, rednecks in pickups...... So we are idiots for having an opinion that differs from yours?
azwhelan
02-16-08, 08:48 PM
Primal wear might be your best bet when looking for a provider since they already produce a line of jerseys for each branch. They might even put something together for you, they did for my club.
NeoGeek
02-16-08, 08:57 PM
Why not get VFW, VA and any other charities/associations to sponsor printing costs in return for future sales revenues? That is, 10-20% of retail is donated from each sale.
The VFW might help you as they are only concerned with perpetuating their own existence (as in making money). Honestly, if they can't make money from something, they don't care. I interact with these bozos on a daily basis and service orgainizations like the VFW only care about themselves, regardless of what they purport. I can't see the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) sponsoring printing as they are a government agency and that isn't something a government agency would do.
I honestly think you'd be crazy to wear a jersey like that in Texas (although Austin is a mega-cool city) but go for it. I wanted to get a vanity plate for my new Prius that read "FU OPEC" but my wife wouldn't let me :(
-Neo
NeoGeek
02-16-08, 08:58 PM
Hey, maybe that's a good idea. A bike jersey that says FU OPEC on it...
slynkie
02-16-08, 09:13 PM
I'd be in for one, maybe more - I bet more than a few of my club mates would be interested.
dsilver668
02-16-08, 09:57 PM
So we should only say nice things? That world would be very boring.
Look, the OP wasn't originally trying to organize anything to help families, etc. He was trying to make a connection between riding bikes = less dependence on foreign oil = less need to send in the Marines. Others have brought in Fisher House (a worthy cause, no doubt), styles of camo, rednecks in pickups...... So we are idiots for having an opinion that differs from yours?
No man everyone is intitled to an opinion but the sapce used on this thread could probably best served getting something good going rather then going back on forth on sillyness. We could just start a second thread to go back and forth over that point.
ravenmore
02-17-08, 12:03 AM
Wow - what a nice debate. ;)
This idea has grown beyond its original scope by leaps and bounds. If it could help someone somehow in a time of need, in no matter how small of a way, hey, that's cool. I'm all for it. :)
I've got an idea - now if I can just draw it. ;) Grey pixelated camo w/black raglan sleeves. Side panels also in black. Black font for slogan w/gold or yellow border.
late
02-17-08, 04:11 AM
You need something simple. Perhaps 'Screw OPEC Ride a Bike'
http://www.cafepress.com/cutoilimports.61297299
or
No more blood for oil
Ride a bike
Longdaddy
02-17-08, 05:48 AM
Ok - on the Austin Road Riders site I was talking about the merits of encouraging people to commute by bike and said something along the lines it might even help reduce our dependency for foreign oil and our needs to protect our interests there. I concluded by saying "Save a soldier? Ride a bike".
:)
I don't get it?
Doggus
02-17-08, 08:49 AM
Who was the BF member who created the design for the RyanF team? That dude can design...get him on this - pronto.
mpd224
02-17-08, 08:59 AM
I've got an idea - now if I can just draw it. ;) Grey pixelated camo w/black raglan sleeves. Side panels also in black. Black font for slogan w/gold or yellow border.
Yeah - I was just thinking I need help with this. At least if we want it done in a timely fashion. ;) I'd like to see the idea mentioned above. Grey digital camo - black lettering with gold edges, black raglan sleeves and collar, black side panels with gold lettering.
Side note - should I contact the Fisher House to make sure that they are cool with this?
Lol - we posted at the same time. :) Yeah, that's close. Not so sure about the black bar across the front, and would prefer grey digital camo instead of the olive. I think it will make stuff easier to read.
ravenmore
02-17-08, 09:01 AM
oops - that is grey camo. nevermind.
ravenmore
02-17-08, 09:02 AM
I'd like for it to be full zip too.
Dumpsterlife
02-17-08, 09:08 AM
I think I'd prefer "save a soldier - end illegal occupation" but whatever.
mpd224
02-17-08, 09:22 AM
I'd like for it to be full zip too.
Yea, I'd like it to be full zip as well.
Here is the one above without the black stripe.
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r278/mpd224/PrimalCamoJersey1.jpg
chipcom
02-17-08, 09:55 AM
I think camo would clash with my new vino red bike, but it would look great on my green beater!
Bontrager
02-17-08, 10:27 AM
Reminds me of http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/NewTux.svg/500px-NewTux.svg.png
dsilver668
02-17-08, 11:52 AM
mpd224 that rocks!!!!! Now we just need to throw on the print graphics. :)
Yeah ok I admit we kinda hijacked Ravenmore's idea and ran with it but isn't that what friends are for?
Dude you gotta love the penguin. Now how do I do a getap md command to get that medical knowledge.. LOL
I think I prefer raglan sleeves. We also should put something on the sleeves.
mpd224
02-17-08, 04:08 PM
I agree, I didn't notice that there was a difference and I like the raglan sleeves better. I'll work up some with the raglan sleeve sketch. Also, I don't have the skills to do the design or know what looks good on the jersey, so please feel free to take these base templates and come up with some designs.
ravenmore
02-17-08, 04:38 PM
I agree, I didn't notice that there was a difference and I like the raglan sleeves better. I'll work up some with the raglan sleeve sketch. Also, I don't have the skills to do the design or know what looks good on the jersey, so please feel free to take these base templates and come up with some designs.
Your design skills are way better than mine. :)
Colonelmom
02-17-08, 05:22 PM
I've never heard of the Fisher House turning down donations... we would just have to figure out how to "sell" the jersey and send them a check...
Any ideas..
mpd224
02-17-08, 05:33 PM
Here are 2 sketches with the raglan sleeves. One with black collar and the other with camo.
Well we could work with BF to have a stick info on ordering. If Ravenmore is willing to deal with it we can do an initial group buy through here. Then once we get them I would be more than willing to take mine to the LBS's in the area and see if they want to buy some. Course I would be voluntering my time to fill orders etc, and get them in touch with Ravenmore, or whom ever wants to handle it to finish the orders.
Proceeds of course would have a single check cut to fisher house.
I know they are busy as it is but sometimes if we are willing to do the paper work we might get help from them to use their organization. Since they are non profit if LBS's cut a check to them for the jerseys then it is tax deductible to them and it is to an established organization and not some guy with a shirt asking for money. That might help. Outside of getting a cool looking Jersey the end is getting vets families the support they need. If they are willing to assist even better.
Also I like the Reglan jersey better too. +1
dsilver668
02-17-08, 09:16 PM
hahah I seriously don't want to know how much character he has honest!!!!
schnee
02-17-08, 09:34 PM
I just wanted to publicly apologize for being such a jerk to Bluetick earlier in the thread.
What I said was mean, obnoxious, and completely uncalled for. I was wrong, and I'm sorry.
We've been chatting via PMs. I think we're cool. I just needed to close this out loud.