"Save a Soldier. Ride a Bike" jersey idea [Archive] - Page 5

mpd224

02-23-08, 01:43 PM

I was hoping to get the final cost of the jersey in the $60-$90 range (with $90 way on the high side). Champ-sys' base price is $45 I think. I have a couple of their jerseys and they're not bad at all. I've never used Voler though. I'll contact them for prices.

Any word on the permissions? I'm still not clear if we need it or not - well, I guess we do actually since the Fisher House is requiring it.

I have one of the Champ-Sys jersey's as well and I like it. It almost seems like to stay in the target range for price, that will be the way to go. From what I read, they are basically $45 for an unlimited amount of colors, free full zippers (if that is what you would want) and a minimum order of 10. I looked at Voler's website and they have a minimum order of 25 and charge $89 for 5 colors. It would be nice if some of these companies gave us a price break since the jersey's will support the Fisher House.

johnny99

02-23-08, 02:04 PM

Have you guys heard of the Wounded Warrior Project (https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/)? They use bicycling (among other things) to rehab and inspire injured veterans. A group of them are riding parts of the Tour of California race route this week and they were mentioned on today's broadcast. I think the "Support a soldier, ride a bike" slogan fits well with this group.

slynkie

02-23-08, 02:53 PM

I have one of the Champ-Sys jersey's as well and I like it. It almost seems like to stay in the target range for price, that will be the way to go. From what I read, they are basically $45 for an unlimited amount of colors, free full zippers (if that is what you would want) and a minimum order of 10. I looked at Voler's website and they have a minimum order of 25 and charge $89 for 5 colors. It would be nice if some of these companies gave us a price break since the jersey's will support the Fisher House.
the other nice thing about champ-sys is that once you hit the minimum order of 10 of one type of jersey, i think you can order single items of any other type of jersey/short/accessory. it might be nice to get a hat too ;)

PJones0012

02-23-08, 09:08 PM

any chance you could post a pic not in photobucket? It is blocked by military firewalls.. webshots is not

Any chance to have versions that say Marine/Airman/Sailor as well as Soldier. By definition a soldier is in the Army.. one quick way to piss off a Marine is to call him soldier :)

if you have to pick.. i suggest Marine.. the American public loves Marines.. we have a great marketing department.

One way to piss off a soldier is to call him a Marine. It would be more accurate to call a Marine a Sailor. Marines ID cards do say Department of the Navy. All that is said in jest, don't take it seriously. ;) Being retired I have nothing but respect for all the services and it really touches me to see the support this issues has received. Way to go everyone. :beer:
My real sig:
Patrick A Jones
SSG, US Army (RET)

janelson

02-24-08, 06:37 AM

For some reason this Washington D.C. to Georgia to Oregon bicycle trip I'm on has generated a lot of interest at local and national levels. "Fer instance", a postage stamp based on a photograph taken at the beginning of the trip is being issued this year.

I've been approached by many groups who want to "tap into" the publicity this trip is creating and I've been very, VERY picky about who I align the trip with.

However, if there is anything I can do to help get the word out about the jersey's, I'd be glad to as well as humbly honored by the opportunity to do so.

Jerry Nelson
www.JourneyAmerica.org
www.Couchsurfing.com/people/janelson
www.Imaniceperson.com

Did you say the Marines have a great marketing department? Ever notice how, after 200 years, they're still looking for a few good men? :D

thetick1081

02-24-08, 08:03 PM

If any final design can be approved Count Me in for One.

USMC
Semper Fi

slimvela

02-24-08, 09:16 PM

One way to piss off a soldier is to call him a Marine. It would be more accurate to call a Marine a Sailor. Marines ID cards do say Men's Department of the Navy. All that is said in jest, don't take it seriously. ;) Being retired I have nothing but respect for all the services and it really touches me to see the support this issues has received. Way to go everyone. :beer:
My real sig:
Patrick A Jones
SSG, US Army (RET)

Fixed :beer:

BOT, after my initial reading of this thread I was a little skeptical on the slogan. But alas some changes were made which make it much more appealing to me. I'm not one for slogans that may send a mixed message. I must say this appears to be turning out to be an excellent venture and one which I will support.

No matter our feelings, one way or the other, our support for those Marines, Sailors, Soldiers, and Airmen must never be polluted with political ideologies. No matter the cause, we must support those wearing the uniform. Otherwise, it cheapens the support they/we deserve.

Sorry for my little rant...just my .02

Based on what I've seen thus far, count me in for a jersey, job well done!!!

HAMMER MAN

02-25-08, 05:24 AM

has a logo/design been picked for the back of the Jersey?

Also I would want 2 jerseys

USMC
SEMPER FI

the5yearwinter

02-25-08, 08:19 AM

I would love to wear one of those. I'll commute and ride in it all the time.

drew55

02-25-08, 01:38 PM

Excellent work - really like the whole back and forth seen in this virtual community. Constructive criticism from this side - Beleive the www.fisherhouse.org (http://www.fisherhouse.org) should be laid out so it could be read while riding > flip each of the letters 90 degrees and it would be just about right.

Other item seen here recently - USCG - They too belong here. While yes techinically control is passed, during wartime, that's just like opening that can of worms again on the Marines being the "men's department of the Navy". ...and no, not wanting to open that can of worms...

National Guard / Air National Guard on the other hand, opening that one could involve adding up to a hundred additonal insiginia, almost each state has their own for each. Great thought, but just not a practical one IMHO.

Great thoughts, great cause - Please shout once this gets finalized with both design and a price - I'm sure there are quite a few riders around MacDill AFB where I'm at that would like these.

WxGuesser

02-26-08, 12:00 AM

when this is ready for orders... i'll take 1... send me a pm when it's time to pay up.....

ravenmore

02-26-08, 08:07 AM

While I don't want to exclude the Coast Guard we might leave them out if it will delay the jersey further while we get their permission to use their ensignia.

Speaking of - any word on approvals for this?

Colonelmom

02-26-08, 12:57 PM

Ma'am,
We have your request and will respond soon.
regard,
Thomas L. Casciaro
Chief, Technical and Production Division

This is the answer I received from the Army's The Institue of Heraldry. If approved they will send me a link with the correct colors and layout for the Army insignia.

mpd224

02-26-08, 04:43 PM

Colonelmom

02-26-08, 08:06 PM

Is any other branch requiring a license agreement? The Air Force is requiring a license agreement and I have it completed, however it is nearly blank since it is for businesses looking to use/profit from their logo. They advised me to complete and send in what applies (which isn't much) and they will put it thru their process. They know that this is not for profit and I clearly explained to them what we were doing and it didn't seem to matter, I still have to go thru the red tape. On the Air Forces website, it says it could take up to 30 days for approval. I'll keep you updated on any further information as I get it.

I spoke at length with the Army today.. They to require a license agreement and are not willing to allow us to use the Army Eblem nor Insignia, what they are open to is the "Army logo" which you all have seen as "STAR", (see primal jersey's). Which leads us to the second of many huddles, since they have already licensed the logo to Primal there may be an issue there... They are will to help, the guy I spoke to is a cyclist :-) but not sure how long the process is going to take... He was also interested in how we are going to market; sell the jerseyes (sic)

I'll keep plugging away....

dsilver668

02-26-08, 08:29 PM

So we are working to see if we can use the army logo, we have submited for the Air Force. What about the Navy and Marines? Anyone hit them up? Geez this is where it gets silly I guess. It is a legitimate non profit use to promote supporting our men in uniform. I can't see where they would say no lol....

ravenmore

02-26-08, 08:32 PM

Hmmm - I'm starting to get a little annoyed.

a. This isn't for profit.
b. This is to provide money for an agency that provides direct support for wounded troops.
c. My tax dollars (and yours too) pay for the blasted ensignias and uniforms and everything else.
d. We're all donating our time and resources, and they can't let us simply use an ensignia for free, even though they'll spend $500 on a hammer ect...

Oh, sorry, I'm getting on my soap box again. ;)

I frankly really want to use the ensignias or we'll have to do without them.

Colonelmom

02-26-08, 08:46 PM

All,
Don't get TOO discouraged....
It might come to a point where we beg forgiveness instead asking for permission.....

What can they do.. send me to Iraq... I've been there already :)

grahny

02-26-08, 08:52 PM

Why not just ditch all the insignias/logos other than fisher house? Then you've got them all covered, plus the coast guard ;)

We could just get creative and come up with something else, like and eagle or something, for the sleeves.

...and not to mess things up further, but what about changing it to "Support our Troops - Ride a Bike"... then we're not getting into the whole soldier vs. marine, etc... and it's a familiar saying that most people will understand.

Just some thoughts

dsilver668

02-26-08, 09:13 PM

mpd224

02-26-08, 10:08 PM

hahahah nah man F*** em all. Honest I say we use em weather they like it or not. lol We could use the freedom of expresion or something lol. In the end it is for a good cause. And a nationaly known one at that.. I don't think anything will happen but honestly getting permision would be nice.

In a way, I kind of agree. Just like Colonelmom suggested and just like the military has taught some of us, it's better to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission. I like everyone else wants to do it the right way, but what are they going to do, seize our profits. There are none and I'm sure the Fisher House isn't going to turn down the donation. Well, lets be hopefull and see what the branches decide.

ravenmore

02-27-08, 05:26 AM

I agree - we should just use them. What are they going to do sue us? Think about how that would play in court and the media should they SOMEHOW get wind of it. ;)

slynkie

02-27-08, 06:13 AM

I agree - we should just use them. What are they going to do sue us? Think about how that would play in court and the media should they SOMEHOW get wind of it. ;)

+1000. besides, the whole claim that we need their permission in the first place is still in question, as the insignias are supposed to be public domain, right?

aprilm

02-27-08, 11:09 AM

The thing is, I don't know what Fisher House will do if I say, "Hey, we got permission." He might ask me for proof or something from each branch.

ravenmore

02-27-08, 11:23 AM

The thing is, I don't know what Fisher House will do if I say, "Hey, we got permission." He might ask me for proof or something from each branch.

I dunno - not get their permission either? I mean its not like they can sue us for the profits from the jersey - they'll already have it. ;)

Kind of kidding. :o

Nick Carraway

02-27-08, 12:16 PM

The thing is, I don't know what Fisher House will do if I say, "Hey, we got permission." He might ask me for proof or something from each branch.

April is right - we really can't lie to Fisher House (whether they'd ask for proof or not). If people feel like it's not worth the time/frustration of dealing w/the red tape to get the necessary permissions, then we should simply drop the logos from the jerseys. They aren't really necessary - we can still sell the jerseys and raise $ for FH.

HAMMER MAN

02-27-08, 12:24 PM

wierd,
i wear a USMC riding jersey quite often, I have two of them as well as numerous t-shirts with USMC logo of Vietnam, 1stMARDIV emblem and never had a problem as well as the bumper stickers on my cars.
i say just do it!

mrt10x

02-27-08, 06:46 PM

Welcome to the world of bureaucracy

I would definitely use the logos and simply ask forgiveness. This will be such a tiny blip on anyone's radar it will never be an issue. You do not have to tell Fisher house where the money came from. They get millions in donations; the few hundred/thousand we manage to garner here will be yet another blip. IMHO.

Finally, you will do better with a "Support" vs a "Save" moto. But you do loose a bit of your initial intent.

mrt10x

02-27-08, 06:49 PM

OBTW asked mpd to help me design a jersey for my squadron and he has done a great job. I will be using both the Marine emblem and Navy emblem,, I guarantee you I wont be asking permission.

Colonelmom

02-27-08, 07:32 PM

[QUOTE=HAMMER MAN;6242160]wierd,
i wear a USMC riding jersey quite often, I have two of them as well as numerous t-shirts with USMC logo of Vietnam, 1stMARDIV emblem and never had a problem as well as the bumper stickers on my cars.
i say just do it![/QUOTE

If you got the jersey from Primal.. it is a lisenced use of the USMC logo.. according to the gentlemen I spoke with yesterday... BUT it is not the USMC branch insignia, nor seal.. it is just the globe and anchor... and the Marines are more keen than the other services in the marketing department than the other services... What I was told.. we might fight our way through the red tape... to use the LOGO... but not the seal or insignia
I owe a call back to see about the logo status..

Colonelmom

02-27-08, 07:39 PM

+1000. besides, the whole claim that we need their permission in the first place is still in question, as the insignias are supposed to be public domain, right?

granted it is only ONE army lawyer I spoke with.. but ALL the services have licensed insignia, seals.. ect..
even the Marine cammo pattern is pattened.. and the Army digital pattern has another weird license..
The reason the services licenced their stuff was that way any monies made come back to the service instead of into the "treasurey coffers." The Army puts the funds into the MWR (Moral Welfare Recreation) fund

Hey in for a penny in for a pound.. I'll do what ever the group wants...

mrt10x

02-27-08, 07:52 PM

Another work around similar to using just the Eagle Globe and Anchor is to take the outer ring off the Emblems...so you would have the Constelation, etc on the Navy Emblem..with no Dept of the Navy. Might work.

dsilver668

02-27-08, 08:09 PM

It would be nice to see how it goes. If we at least try then we are ok. If anyone needs me to do some leg work I am more than willing. I think from a design stand point it makes it look really nice so I would hate to loose them. I look at it this way. If we file the paper work and go through the hoops and they don't tell us NO! But it takes for ever and is lost on someones desk then we go ahead and use it if they don't respond solidly one way or the other in 30 days. But we are in process remember.. No descision was made and you are right it is not for profit, unlike primals stuff. Honestly I think forgivness would be given if it came to that. Imagine what bad PR it would be because a bunch of well meaning folks wanted to help fisher house. I am sure if it came to it everyone would back down..
So I say use it and use it proud.. :)

aprilm

02-28-08, 07:41 AM

Nick Carraway

02-28-08, 12:36 PM

If it turns into a big pain in the ass (which it sounds like it might), I say we nix the idea of putting the military insignias on the jerseys--screw 'em. Maybe we can find something else to put on the sleeves. We have some really creative people here... I'm sure we can come up with some cool ideas.

+1

It's not a question of how much trouble we might get into by using insignias w/o permission - I agree that the answer is likely to be none, or, at most, very little. The point is that we made a commitment to FH to not use the insignias w/o permission. Given that we are doing this to benefit FH, and given that their logo will be on the jerseys, it would be *extremely* poor form to go back on our promise to them, much less to lie about it. It'd be a little ridiculous to piss off the folks we're trying to raise $ for. The jerseys will be fine w/o the insignias, whether we replace them w/something or not. (I still say that they'd be better and more consistent w/our current intent w/"support a soldier" or "help a soldier," but that's a different argument.)

HAMMER MAN

02-28-08, 12:45 PM

+1

It's not a question of how much trouble we might get into by using insignias w/o permission - I agree that the answer is likely to be none, or, at most, very little. The point is that we made a commitment to FH to not use the insignias w/o permission. Given that we are doing this to benefit FH, and given that their logo will be on the jerseys, it would be *extremely* poor form to go back on our promise to them, much less to lie about it. It'd be a little ridiculous to piss off the folks we're trying to raise $ for. The jerseys will be fine w/o the insignias, whether we replace them w/something or not. (I still say that they'd be better and more consistent w/our current intent w/"support a soldier" or "help a soldier," but that's a different argument.)

maybe off the wall here........ but why not get hold of your state represenative/senator/congress person on what everyone is trying to do and see if they can connect faster and less red tape.
many,many times things are resolved in a very timely fashion

dsilver668

02-28-08, 02:12 PM

Hammer Man has a good idea. Can anyone get a hold of Arnold? I need to check with my mom she knows folks up in Sacramento. If somone can send me the contact info for all the branches advertising / what ever they are called departments I will see what I can do.

scottmorrison99

02-29-08, 09:34 AM

I hate to say it, but if we changed "Support a Soldier" to "Support our Troops" it might be easier to get approval from the other branches. It would also be more inclusive to our USN, USMC, USAF, and USCG members. Being former Army it works for me either way.

mrt10x

03-03-08, 03:52 PM

Did anyone ever narrow down the best company for doing the jersey? As I stated earlier I am trying to do a jersey for my squadron and I am trying to cut out some of the legwork for finding the best company to go with.

ravenmore

03-03-08, 04:21 PM

Right now its looking like Champ-Sys because of price and flexibility.

dsilver668

03-04-08, 07:28 PM

I think that would be fine we don't want to price it so high no one will buy. Plus the lower the product cost the more we can put on to give to charity. :)

drew55

03-05-08, 08:01 PM

still somewhat lost on all of this - the DoD and services web pages all have their logo listed and yes they have restrictins on their use, but those restrictions are mostly "for profit" or endorsement/association fears related. Permissions request addresses are at http://www.defenselink.mil/faq/pis/sealuse.html This is for a charity, surely those of the legal backgrounds can see the diferences.

ravenmore

03-05-08, 08:04 PM

sorry guys and gals - this effort has stalled due to me getting my butt kicked at work. I need to pick it up again now. Its a real worthy cause.

I think the main delay is everyone letting us use their logos\insignias. Any new news?

johnnyburst79

03-07-08, 02:49 PM

If you could make one for the "Save a Marine", I'd pick that up from you as I'm local to Austin. If you can't and can only do the "soldier" one...I'd probably buy that too.

dsilver668

03-07-08, 05:57 PM

Yeah I haven't heard anything... Who sent in the request? I am itchen to order one.

M-technik-3

03-07-08, 07:39 PM

Coming late on this but the USAF has a cyclist team out at the academy. And maybe with right networking they could be sold by MWR facilities?

I'm in USAFR need 2 years for an AD retirement. But to support the wounded solider foundation sure I would buy one or two. I hate flying in and out of Iraq week after week during the early days bringing home transfer cases.

If it's lost in the system how about contact a Pentagon channel Fitness rep at Bolling AFB since they film the moring PT there for the Pentagon.

Or use it as recuiting tool as well? Hope this contributes.

mrt10x

03-10-08, 03:12 PM

You guys really shouldnt let the approval thing slow this down.. unless you are trying to go real big... I really dont think anyone from DOD is going to take notice.

dsilver668

03-11-08, 09:43 PM

hahaha just wait till armed anti terrorist teams show up at your place in the middle of the night LOL

Just kidding..
The reason why we are jumping through the hoops is because the people we are trying to raise money for are requesting it. It is a pain I know but I think it can be done. It just takes a little time. For those with connections by all means get your connections involved. Give them links to this thread. Get the word out. We wat to speed this up..

grahny

03-12-08, 05:04 AM

You guys really shouldnt let the approval thing slow this down.. unless you are trying to go real big... I really dont think anyone from DOD is going to take notice.

I think the approval thing has to do with the Fisher House requesting that we get approval to use the military insignias. We don't want to piss off the charity that we'd be doing this for ;)

If it's going to hold things up, I still say we just ditch the logos and put something in their place.