Charity Events - "Save a Soldier. Ride a Bike" jersey idea

I think the approval thing has to do with the Fisher House requesting that we get approval to use the military insignias. We don't want to piss off the charity that we'd be doing this for ;)

If it's going to hold things up, I still say we just ditch the logos and put something in their place.

I agree - this is taking so long its going to kill the effort I think. Any ideas on what to use in place of the ensignias?

How in heaven's name you managed to find a quotation from Charles Dickens, where he mentions electric communication has me scratching my head. Are you sure you're not referring to Chaucer and mobile 'phones? He is reported to have found texting difficult. Let's hope your medication kicks in soon.
Luv 'n' kisses,
Bonaparlare

How in heaven's name you managed to find a quotation from Charles Dickens, where he mentions electric communication has me scratching my head. Are you sure you're not referring to Chaucer and mobile 'phones? He is reported to have found texting difficult. Let's hope your medication kicks in soon.
Luv 'n' kisses,
Bonaparlare

wowsers - talk about off topic. ;) :)

I heard it at church actually. I came home and looked it up on a quotation website I go to sometimes.

a simple google search of the quote brought up a ton of links, including this one:

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/c/charlesdic132524.html

Has anyone looked into finding a loophole somewhere? I mean it could be something simple like using a slightly different blue for the airforce symbol. That makes it not the same. Maybe I am just fishing on that one..

I must apologise for the snide comment about the quote from Dickens. I'll never learn! What embarrasses me most is that I've shot myself in the foot, since Dickens actually said/wrote the sentence.

no worries at all - thanks for the apology though. :)

Any word from any of the branches...

Any updates on these?

HHHMM Anyone want me to poke around and see if we can't expidite things a bit?

no news from the branches that I've heard

Ah crap.. you beat me to it. I had this idea over a year ago, but I didn't do anything about it. Well, let me know when you get em printed: I want one, though I'd rather it be a normal looking T-shirt (possible a wicking one), as I don't like jerseys...

Updates??

Completely stalled. To be honest, the fact that the people we were trying to help with this are making things difficult for us to accomplish our goal really has taken the wind out of my sails.

I'm half tempted to just do it, sell 'em, give the proceeds to the Fisher House and tell them and the Military Branches if they don't like it they can sue me. Of course with my luck someone probably would... grrrr.

Completely stalled. To be honest, the fact that the people we were trying to help with this are making things difficult for us to accomplish our goal really has taken the wind out of my sails.

I'm half tempted to just do it, sell 'em, give the proceeds to the Fisher House and tell them and the Military Branches if they don't like it they can sue me. Of course with my luck someone probably would... grrrr.

Did the Fisher House want something in writing from the branches? I mean, no response can be interpreted as a response of "sure, we don't care, use the insignias", right? That would hold up in court ;) :D Did anyone make a phone call and ask someone or was it all done by email? If we just get 1 person from each branch to give a verbal "yeah, I think you can do that", that's close enough.

If we just mention the names of each branch, then no one will be offended. I think that the group to contact, if the idea remains that the logos of each branch must remain--is to go on EBay and look at the various jerseys available to the general public that has the emblems on them. One can contact the printer and ask them how they got permission. One other source of immediate repsonse would be to contact each branch that is noted recruitment section. This is free advertisement for them. They love to get the word out. You said one yeah from that branch.

As for me, an ex air force; " US Chair Force" (we are told now by all the other branches), I would be happy with just the imformation. It does not have the logos. Plus most branch members frown on wearing the others insignia/emblem. I love, admire, and respect the other branches; but I don't wear their gear with their emblem because I did not pay the cost to be one.

If we just mention the names of each branch, then no one will be offended. I think that the group to contact, if the idea remains that the logos of each branch must remain--is to go on EBay and look at the various jerseys available to the general public that has the emblems on them. One can contact the printer and ask them how they got permission. One other source of immediate repsonse would be to contact each branch that is noted recruitment section. This is free advertisement for them. They love to get the word out. You said one yeah from that branch.

As for me, an ex air force; " US Chair Force" (we are told now by all the other branches), I would be happy with just the imformation. It does not have the logos. Plus most branch members frown on wearing the others insignia/emblem. I love, admire, and respect the other branches; but I don't wear their gear with their emblem because I did not pay the cost to be one.

When I checked the Army was very concerned ( would not let us you the emblem) The Army Star, the LOGO has been licsenced to Primal, and I think that holds true for the other services as well, Hense Primal is the only one manufacturing those jersey.
An option would be to approach Primal and see if they'd help... THOUGHTS

Remember we are doing this to support a charity; namely our soldiers. There is some way to approach Primal and include them, even if we say that they assisted us in this matter to the utmost. Plus, still contact the recruiter sections. If we stress that the proceeds will go to the soldiers whom have been wounded, and involve them too or singularly, then maybe we can get permission to use. I attend church with an Army recruiter (E7) will ask him tonight who to contact, and what to ask. Once he tells me something, I will post asap, his reply.

stumps

Also, maybe we should/could ask various groups within the branches to become part of this effort. There would be less flac from branch members requesting usage of their individual branches logo. I will, again, ask the guy from my church about possible being in the sponsorship of this project.

Also, maybe we should/could ask various groups within the branches to become part of this effort. There would be less flac from branch members requesting usage of their individual branches logo. I will, again, ask the guy from my church about possible being in the sponsorship of this project.

I am an active duty Soldier. The folks I talked to were very helpful. BUT, without a little more detail on how were were going to market this.. we sort of hit hick-up. It is not that it is not do able. BUT the EMBLEM has been protected and reserved for OFFICIAL usage. That's why you see the Army LOGO (ie. the star on the cycling jersey). IF you look closely at the Marine Corps jersey, there something different there as well. Last conversation I had it was positive but still trying to figure out a way around the LOGO and the license already granted to Primal.

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I say we just slap a flag on each sleeve, or the US Seal, and be done with it :) It would be a shame to see a good idea like this never take off.

[QUOTE=grahny;6565560]I say we just slap a flag on each sleeve, or the US Seal, and be done with it :) It would be a shame to see a good idea like this never take off.[/QUOTE

There is a statue showing a gang of soldiers standing up a flag, from WW2.

I think that these men are Marines. But we could put this on a jersey, with American flags on each arm, and say something concerning our mission;Would work too.

Since in this depiction there is I think 5 guys or more; each could represent a branch. We could even put Army, Airforce, Coast Guard, Marines, Navy; on each individual soldier and this will allow us to identify all branches.

This will allow us to bypass all the emblem stuff and move on. Maybe this idea is better because it shows all the great things soldiers represent: mission 1st, tenacity, teamwork even under fire, and determination to get the job done no matter what the obstacle/s.

We need to get going on this, or something like it while the idea is fresh, and that we get the jerseys in time to wear them this summer.

How about teaming up with the Wounded Warrior Project? They are actively involved with bicycling and I'm sure they could help you with any logo issues. Check out some of their current bicycling projects:

https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=413&Itemid=939

This is really going too far.
Hit this from the other side - The president is the Commander in Chief of all services. If the boss says do it, it's going to be approved. Bottom line, the services, Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines, all report to the Commander in Chief (The President) and is essentially the enforcement department of the State Department. Control of all of it is through the U.S. Congress, and U.S. Senate. Push it back up above the heraldry departments and the services themselves and let the @!#$ flow down hill. If those actually in charge say "do it" it's going to be approved.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/ask/question.html
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml
Craft a compelling letter to the Office of the President, your Senator, and your Congressman/Congresswoman, and give it a few weeks to flow down hill to those that are holding up the approval process. Eventually they will bend and give.
:-)

This is really going too far.
Hit this from the other side - The president is the Commander in Chief of all services. If the boss says do it, it's going to be approved. Bottom line, the services, Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines, all report to the Commander in Chief (The President) and is essentially the enforcement department of the State Department. Control of all of it is through the U.S. Congress, and U.S. Senate. Push it back up above the heraldry departments and the services themselves and let the @!#$ flow down hill. If those actually in charge say "do it" it's going to be approved.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/ask/question.html
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml
Craft a compelling letter to the Office of the President, your Senator, and your Congressman/Congresswoman, and give it a few weeks to flow down hill to those that are holding up the approval process. Eventually they will bend and give.
:-)


No offense to President Bush, but I don't think he is listening to the people of America. Especially right now. Then again, he is a cyclist, maybe he will. Knowing the government, if he gets wind of it, he will pass it on and it will get mired in all the red tape known to man.

I like granny's idea of contacting the wounded group she spoke of. They may have an inroad to getting the branches ear. Can't hurt to approach them with the idea.

why not just skip the logos and stuff and just put the quote on it. get goin, crank out some jerseys and give some money to veterans.

Ok just do it with the logos, piss off everyone and if there is a problem we take it to CNN and FOX. The military has enough issues, and would drop it like a hot potato. Afterall we are trying to do some good here.

Ok just do it with the logos, piss off everyone and if there is a problem we take it to CNN and FOX. The military has enough issues, and would drop it like a hot potato. Afterall we are trying to do some good here.

United States Code
TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 33 - EMBLEMS, INSIGNIA, AND NAMES

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U.S. Code as of: 01/19/04
Section 702. Uniform of armed forces and Public Health Service

Whoever, in any place within the jurisdiction of the United
States or in the Canal Zone, without authority, wears the uniform
or a distinctive part thereof or anything similar to a distinctive
part of the uniform of any of the armed forces of the United
States, Public Health Service or any auxiliary of such, shall be
fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or
both.

Although I like the "just do it" feel, I think we have to do it above board. One reason is we need to exemplify the same honor, respect, integrity, and attention to doing things right that the five branches of the US Armed forces doggedly maintain. We all realize the urgency of the project, but we may do all this and have to spend the funds fighting cases. Even taking it to the news does not guarantee concurance.

We need not be crooks, or even the appearance of, when we honor our soldiers. Especially when they did not cicumvent their responsibilities; but instead imbraced them even to the point of impending death.

My own take on this is to leave the logos of the individual branches off the jersey: all men and women serving in the armed forces are soldiers and the logo, while important to each branch to signify their identity, is not as important as the message: reducing dependence on oil reduces the "need" for a war (though many would argue the reasons for the occupation of iraq and afghanistan anyway... but that's fodder for a DIFFERENT forum!)

I got an email from the folks at Primal Custom Apparel and they said they would fulfill orders of 25 or more jerseys: that would be enough for a first run, given the numbers of "I want one" posts.

I'm not a big fan of jersey's in general, as I prefer to wear a wool t-shirt when I ride a bicycle (wool doesn't stink like the poly jersey's do!), but I'd still buy and wear one if it meant the profits went to help soldiers. I'd like to see it help people coming home wounded, or possible to the families of those who've lost family members to the war. The money could get collected in a PayPal account and then sent as a single donation to whichever organization is deemed to be the one that should get it. That could be determined with a couple of polls.

The image I got from Primal:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nollij/2460423867/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nollij/2461258852/

They said to contact:
+Eric.tru@primalwear.com

I don't have the time to make this happen, but I thought I would pass along the info if someone else can make it happen... just a thought...

Ian "Saving soldiers by riding bicycles" Hopper

Dang it.. the pictures didn't come through. They are at:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nollij/2460423867/
and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nollij/2461258852/
:rolleyes:

Apologies... hadn't read the chatter on this thread in months, so everything I said is old history. When will I learn... sorry sorry sorry! :rolleyes:

I'm ambivalent on the jersey idea - as active Army - I don't like to flaunt/announce my service when not in uniform, but the Fisher House idea is a good one.

As a veteran of the Army, having seen duty.... I like the idea about the Fisher House, but I think it could be conflicting...yes I support my fellow soldiers....but the riding around saying the war is about oil....I am not a fan of.

I think you all might be missing the point of "Fundraising". My wife and I happen to be heavily involved with the American Cancer Society and the "Relay For Life". If you are trying to support an organization you dont take a stance based upon a belief or that which can seem negative.

You are trying to raise money for the Fisher House, soldiers, members of the armed forces...then dont take a position based on oil....its an opinion....not factual.

If you want to help raise money....print something stating "WE SUPPORT OUR SOLDIERS", or something that a.) states your position b.) doesnt express a political stance. c.) is not offensive.
You'll find alot more people, companies, services that are willing to work with you to offset costs or do these things for free...provided that they are plugged (if xxx company is helping print it..then their logo could be printed somewhere on the jersey).

You could also use the main colors, etc...as camoflauge, with the lettering being red to stand out.....everyone in the military wears camo........

I like the main idea, like the designs ideas being tossed around here, and will watch this thread--I'll buy one and wear it if they come to be.

My take:

1. Aviod Camo, defeats reflective/visibility cycling atire for those that would wear outside of cycling events, an organization did a camo jersey and stated never again.
2. Money raised goes to Fisher House or Wounded Warrior Project Soldier Ride

I am new to bike forums but I have a few thoughts. I started reading this thread that started last Feb then skipped ahead to the end.

http://www.groton.net/pix/jersey.jpg


Camo jerseys are not good. I created the WWP Soldier Ride jersey last year in camo and it blends in. Not good for a bike jersey unless you will only wear it offroad.

Just do it. As we used to say in the Army, perfection is the enemy of getting it done or something like that (been out a while).

If you aren't able to create a jersey that supports the troops then you can buy one of mine. They will be ready soon and I will post them on my website (www.woundedwarriorproject.org) or you can email me at wgroton@woundedwarriorproject.org. This year's jerseys will have similar graphics etc. but will be in royal blue with red trim (kind of like the latter US Postal Team jerseys). As we are an actual charity that assists veterans wounded in current conflicts I can assure you the money will be put to good use. We are also a 501 (c) 3 so your donation above our cost is tax deductible. I got a great price from Verge Sports so most of the $$ will go to our programs.

One final thought. WWP is not a political organization. It's not about the war, it's about helping the veterans who fought it. As a combat vet myself I will tell you that when you are getting shot at your only concern is for your buddies.

Woody

Greetings

I looked on the website and saw no jerseys.

We need two. One for my son whom was injured (leg blown off and arm crushed) in a roadside bomb incident in Iraq, last year. And one for me, so that when he is ready to ride, we can ride together and be united in our first ride together.

Thanks,

Stumps:thumb:.

They are not ready yet but will be soon. Please send me a private message through the forum or email soldierride@woundedwarriorproject.org with your mailing address and contact info and I will let you know when the jerseys are ready. Did your son get a WWP backpack at the hospital?

Thank you,

I've heard commercials about your organization on the radio. Please post a link here when the jersey's are ready, I will be glad to purchase at least one. Thanks.

We get any feedback yet from the various armed forces. Or did we get sucked into the black hole of red tape?

They are not ready yet but will be soon. Please send me a private message through the forum or email soldierride@woundedwarriorproject.org with your mailing address and contact info and I will let you know when the jerseys are ready. Did your son get a WWP backpack at the hospital?

Thank you,


Sorry about the delay in responding. So much has gone on, especially with him, that I did not see the posting until just now. As far as I know he didn't, but I will contact him over the weekend to see if he did. We all were so devastated by all that happened to him, that we may actually have it tucked away some where and just have not realized what it was.

It is something to speak to him one day, and the same day or next get a report that he was blown up. All rational thought goes out the window, and it takes more than a while to get it anywhere near back.:roflmao2:

I am waiting on the jerseys, that this thread is about, but in the meantime, I am placing my order for at least two of the WWP jerseys.:thumb:

We get any feedback yet from the various armed forces. Or did we get sucked into the black hole of red tape?

for my idea - yeap.

The Wounded Warrior Project Soldier Ride Jerseys are in. I am working with my webmaster to get an e-commerce and an offline mechanism to purchase. Once that is up I will post info. For now here is what they look like. Tentative price is $75 each with $40 going to WWP.

Thank you,
Woody

http://www.groton.net/pix/jerseyfrontback.jpg

PS My blog on Soldier Ride is up at wwpsoldierride.blogspot.com (http://wwpsoldierride.blogspot.com)

for my idea - yeap.

Yeap as in red tape, or a no go, or sure use it?

If we haven't heard anything back yet, can someone with the high res pics of the jersey's PM me please. I will attempt to draw light to the situation through democratic channels. I need to find out if my mom still has contacts in Washington but it might be worth a shot.

Looks great! Please post direct link to the e-commerce site once established. I'd bet this will be a fairly good source of revenue for the project

Raven we get bogged down? We got to pull something out so we don't get stalled to long.

Everyone interested. I am still waiting on our online store. Not sure when it will be up. In the mean time if you are interested in one of the Wounded Warrior Project Soldier Ride Jerseys shown in my earlier post (blue with red trim) please make a contribution of $75 or more and email me some kind of proof (I'm flexible) and I will have one sent to you. Online Donations at https://www.kintera.org/site/c.rwL7KjNVLrH/b.3962129/k.4352/Support_Combat_Wounded_Veterans/apps/ka/sd/donor.asp?c=rwL7KjNVLrH&b=3962129&en=btLUL5ODIhLSIWODIbJSJ2PDIcJOK9NYJlJPL7PSKoKTL2PNImL3ImI

Or you can mail a check made out to "Wounded Warrior Project" to:

Wounded Warrior Project
7020 A.C. Skinner Parkway, Suite 100
Jacksonville, FL 32256
ATTN: Taylor Anderson jersey donation

My email is soldierride@woundedwarriorproject.org.

Don't forget to let me know your shipping address, phone number for UPS and your size. The jerseys are "club cut" and run larger than standard racing cut jerseys.

Thank you for your support,
Woody

PS This is a picture of SSG Dulashanti wearing the jersey on a recent Soldier Ride. SSG D was shot 3 times by an AK-47 while serving in Afghanistan with the 82nd Airborne Division. He is also a veteran of the 3rd Ranger Battalion. He is just one example of the many heroes who have honored Soldier Ride with their participation.

http://www.groton.net/cc/joel.jpg