Dannihilator
10-07-03, 06:28 PM
Unfortunately it isn't available to the public yet.
http://www.marzocchi.com/spa/images/mtb/bossvr_big.jpg
http://www.marzocchi.com/spa/images/mtb/bossvr_big.jpg
Mountain Biking - A Marzocchi Rear Shock.
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Maelstrom
10-07-03, 06:53 PM
I believe there is one on a cove hooker?...that was the rumour though
BAC5.2
10-07-03, 10:06 PM
It's not available to the public? Awesome.
I wouldn't buy a Marzocchi rear shock...
I wouldn't buy a Marzocchi rear shock...
STINKY5
10-08-03, 05:46 AM
Why not BAC5.2 ?
My Fox Vanilla R just decided to lose half of it's 2" of stroke effectively reducing the rear wheel travel on my Kona to 2.5"
Damn and I thought I was just gaining a few pounds.
My Fox Vanilla R just decided to lose half of it's 2" of stroke effectively reducing the rear wheel travel on my Kona to 2.5"
Damn and I thought I was just gaining a few pounds.
Maelstrom
10-08-03, 09:23 AM
Why not BAC5.2 ?
My Fox Vanilla R just decided to lose half of it's 2" of stroke effectively reducing the rear wheel travel on my Kona to 2.5"
Damn and I thought I was just gaining a few pounds.
I would hazard a guess that it is because he has had no luck with the marz forks and neither have most of his buds.
I would look at one. The damping system is incredible in marzocchis as long as they fix the problems they had with their first attempt years and years ago.
My Fox Vanilla R just decided to lose half of it's 2" of stroke effectively reducing the rear wheel travel on my Kona to 2.5"
Damn and I thought I was just gaining a few pounds.
I would hazard a guess that it is because he has had no luck with the marz forks and neither have most of his buds.
I would look at one. The damping system is incredible in marzocchis as long as they fix the problems they had with their first attempt years and years ago.
BAC5.2
10-08-03, 01:16 PM
Partially what Maelstrom said, and partially because while Marzocchi may begin entering the rear shock market, Manitou, Fox, Avalance, Progressive, and Romic have already taken most of the market.
The Vanilla RC is now the "low tech" shock on the market. Marzocchi is a day late and a dollar short with this shock. It won't be anything special, and knowing Marz, it'll cost more than a Romic.
The Vanilla RC is now the "low tech" shock on the market. Marzocchi is a day late and a dollar short with this shock. It won't be anything special, and knowing Marz, it'll cost more than a Romic.
Maelstrom
10-08-03, 07:58 PM
Partially what Maelstrom said, and partially because while Marzocchi may begin entering the rear shock market, Manitou, Fox, Avalance, Progressive, and Romic have already taken most of the market.
The Vanilla RC is now the "low tech" shock on the market. Marzocchi is a day late and a dollar short with this shock. It won't be anything special, and knowing Marz, it'll cost more than a Romic.
My point with marz is they have what is generally recognized as the best damping system in the business. And all of those shocks above aren't perfect and generally have very focused purposes. With marzocchi they 'may' be able to offer something a) new or b) better. In either case, for us, the more shock offered the more they have to lower their prices in order to compete. This is great news for us :)...
The Vanilla RC is now the "low tech" shock on the market. Marzocchi is a day late and a dollar short with this shock. It won't be anything special, and knowing Marz, it'll cost more than a Romic.
My point with marz is they have what is generally recognized as the best damping system in the business. And all of those shocks above aren't perfect and generally have very focused purposes. With marzocchi they 'may' be able to offer something a) new or b) better. In either case, for us, the more shock offered the more they have to lower their prices in order to compete. This is great news for us :)...
BAC5.2
10-08-03, 10:55 PM
I disagree with Marzocchi damping as the best. I really like Answer's TPC+ and they are the company building the SPV setup. While Marzocchi has the HSCV (High Speed Compression Valving), I have never really been impressed with any Marzocchi SC forks I have ever ridden (Z1 FR, EXR, and a few of the DJ's). Manitou has a much more plush and progressive style.
I think most of the above shocks are not focus built. Rather they are blanket shocks.
They all do nearly the same thing, and can be used in any application (I've seen 5th's on DH bikes and XC bikes). The only semi-purpose built shock I listed was the Avalanche. Every other shock listed is used in both worlds of XC AND DH that I have seen.
I stand that Marzoochi is a day late and a dollar short in the rear shock. I doubt they will offer anything new, and I doubt that they will do anything significantly better. If they are better than the Vanilla RC, then that's cool, but the 04 Vanilla's are SPV and they fixed the rebound blowing problem (supposedly). So they have a pretty lofty bar to clear. It will either make everything cheeper for competition, or will be cheap just to sell without affecting other prices.
I think most of the above shocks are not focus built. Rather they are blanket shocks.
They all do nearly the same thing, and can be used in any application (I've seen 5th's on DH bikes and XC bikes). The only semi-purpose built shock I listed was the Avalanche. Every other shock listed is used in both worlds of XC AND DH that I have seen.
I stand that Marzoochi is a day late and a dollar short in the rear shock. I doubt they will offer anything new, and I doubt that they will do anything significantly better. If they are better than the Vanilla RC, then that's cool, but the 04 Vanilla's are SPV and they fixed the rebound blowing problem (supposedly). So they have a pretty lofty bar to clear. It will either make everything cheeper for competition, or will be cheap just to sell without affecting other prices.
Maelstrom
10-08-03, 11:05 PM
Damping is a preference. That is why I stated Marz is generally recognized as having better damping. I prefer it. The TPC+ is awesome but I still prefer HSCV for feel :)
Dannihilator
10-08-03, 11:08 PM
I currently run a Swinger, and I absolutely despise it, doesn't feel good at all.
BAC5.2
10-08-03, 11:41 PM
Set it up correctly...
The Swinger can be made one of the best feeling shocks in the world if you know what you are doing. You can turn it into a bottomless shock that has perfect small bump absorbtion, but doesn't feel "dead" like some shocks, if you have any knowledge on setup.
Maelstrom - I have simply never fallen in love with the Marz SC forks. They never felt very plush to me. Manitou has ALWAYS been nice feeling to me. Personal Preference.
The Swinger can be made one of the best feeling shocks in the world if you know what you are doing. You can turn it into a bottomless shock that has perfect small bump absorbtion, but doesn't feel "dead" like some shocks, if you have any knowledge on setup.
Maelstrom - I have simply never fallen in love with the Marz SC forks. They never felt very plush to me. Manitou has ALWAYS been nice feeling to me. Personal Preference.
Dannihilator
10-08-03, 11:56 PM
I've tried every possible setting, performance is nice, the dampening on the swinger bothers me. My old beaten up Romic works better. The Swinger however is much better than the rear shock Roch Shox makes.
BAC5.2
10-09-03, 12:28 AM
Howso does the dampening bother you? Do you mean that it does what it is designed to do?
Dannihilator
10-09-03, 12:33 AM
It over does it.
BAC5.2
10-09-03, 12:43 AM
It pedals to well?
The SPV shocks (5th Element, Swinger) are designed to stick to the ground. They don't hop well because they are supposed to stick to the ground. They aren't exactly free-ride shocks in the Urban sense.
If you want a lively shock, get a Vanilla RC or an Avalanche or a Romic.
The SPV shocks (5th Element, Swinger) are designed to stick to the ground. They don't hop well because they are supposed to stick to the ground. They aren't exactly free-ride shocks in the Urban sense.
If you want a lively shock, get a Vanilla RC or an Avalanche or a Romic.