merider1
02-16-08, 04:57 PM
Figured I get this up and running for you double riders to tell us how your ride went. I don't expect anything until tomorrow, of course, but I for one am very interested in hearing! :)
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spingineer
02-16-08, 05:01 PM
If it weren't for Tour of California, I'd be there ... oh, and the fact that I've been riding a slug ... two reasons why I'm not there :p
Happytime
02-16-08, 05:15 PM
Someone (forgot who) told me on Latigo today that Keith Brodsky went down and broke his collarbone. :( Hope it's not true!
merider1
02-16-08, 05:40 PM
Someone (forgot who) told me on Latigo today that Keith Brodsky went down and broke his collarbone. :( Hope it's not true!
:eek: Oh, goodness, I hope not! :(
:eek: Oh, goodness, I hope not! :(
Extort
02-16-08, 06:08 PM
Someone (forgot who) told me on Latigo today that Keith Brodsky went down and broke his collarbone. :( Hope it's not true!
It is true that he went down while on the 5 freeway heading south at about 9:30AM. What is unknown is the extent of his injuries. He has some movement and he is not thinking that it is broken, but the diagnosis will occur at a Dr. office and then I am sure we will have a report from someone.
He did say that he will probably be missing Solvang this year.
:(
It is true that he went down while on the 5 freeway heading south at about 9:30AM. What is unknown is the extent of his injuries. He has some movement and he is not thinking that it is broken, but the diagnosis will occur at a Dr. office and then I am sure we will have a report from someone.
He did say that he will probably be missing Solvang this year.
:(
herbm
02-16-08, 06:09 PM
Damn.....Sorry to hear that!!:(
merider1
02-16-08, 06:15 PM
It is true that he went down while on the 5 freeway heading south at about 9:30AM. What is unknown is the extent of his injuries. He has some movement and he is not thinking that it is broken, but the diagnosis will occur at a Dr. office and then I am sure we will have a report from someone.
He did say that he will probably be missing Solvang this year.
:(
I hope he went to the emergency room. That's awful to hear. Keith is such a strong rider and athlete, I'm sure he'll rebound quickly. But I sure wish the crash "curse" that's been bestowed upon us would leave for good. :(
He did say that he will probably be missing Solvang this year.
:(
I hope he went to the emergency room. That's awful to hear. Keith is such a strong rider and athlete, I'm sure he'll rebound quickly. But I sure wish the crash "curse" that's been bestowed upon us would leave for good. :(
Extort
02-16-08, 06:18 PM
early photos
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k183/__Extort/Butterfield_08/P2160006.jpg
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merider1
02-16-08, 06:53 PM
Nice, Phil! You volunteers are the backbone! Where is your pic? :D
Extort
02-16-08, 07:16 PM
Nice, Phil! You volunteers are the backbone! Where is your pic? :D
in Mike's camera...
in Mike's camera...
LCI_Brian
02-16-08, 08:55 PM
Coming home from dinner, I was wondering why I was seeing an unusual number of cyclists at night on Jamboree - now I know.
Brandy
02-16-08, 09:23 PM
Home, showered and heading to bed. Report tomorrow. :D
Brandy 12:18
George 10:46
We'll be at Anger Management in the morning, George is racing the Cat V crit at 7:00 a.m. so we have to be up and out of here at O'dark-thirty.
So sad to hear about Keith, that sucks. :(
Brandy 12:18
George 10:46
We'll be at Anger Management in the morning, George is racing the Cat V crit at 7:00 a.m. so we have to be up and out of here at O'dark-thirty.
So sad to hear about Keith, that sucks. :(
Brandy
02-16-08, 09:25 PM
Oh, I want to say thank you to Phil, Jon and Lee. Seeing your smiling faces and hearing your words of encouragement meant a lot to me. :) Thanks boys!
Extort
02-16-08, 09:29 PM
Oh, I want to say thank you to Phil, Jon and Lee. Seeing your smiling faces and hearing your words of encouragement meant a lot to me. :) Thanks boys!
you bet, glad that you made it home okay. George was flying today... I think that he (and Max) hit the lunch stop at about 10:20AM...
On my way home (after stopping at Stone Brewery for a jug refill) I saw riders entering the 5 in Oceanside right around 4PM... gonna be a long day for those people! I figure that they will be finishing around 9:30 or 10PM tonight.
I will have more comprehensive photo coverage of the scenery after tomorrow when Jon and I head out to do the ride.
you bet, glad that you made it home okay. George was flying today... I think that he (and Max) hit the lunch stop at about 10:20AM...
On my way home (after stopping at Stone Brewery for a jug refill) I saw riders entering the 5 in Oceanside right around 4PM... gonna be a long day for those people! I figure that they will be finishing around 9:30 or 10PM tonight.
I will have more comprehensive photo coverage of the scenery after tomorrow when Jon and I head out to do the ride.
Brandy
02-16-08, 10:08 PM
Okay...only pic. This morning before we rolled...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2336/2269977789_a9d8d76237.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2336/2269977789_a9d8d76237.jpg
VanceMac
02-16-08, 10:30 PM
Text message from Keith: "Fractured clavicle, 6 weeks."
jpconrad
02-16-08, 10:53 PM
Text message from Keith: "Fractured clavicle, 6 weeks."
:(
:(
voltman
02-16-08, 11:15 PM
Text message from Keith: "Fractured clavicle, 6 weeks."
He'll still probably end up riding before I do again.
He'll still probably end up riding before I do again.
WhiteCarbonDude
02-17-08, 12:37 AM
Text message from Keith: "Fractured clavicle, 6 weeks."
I knew it. When I felt his left good shoulder and then the right didn't feel like it should. What a bummer.
Damn, I gotta get to bed.
I knew it. When I felt his left good shoulder and then the right didn't feel like it should. What a bummer.
Damn, I gotta get to bed.
merider1
02-17-08, 07:29 AM
Okay...only pic. This morning before we rolled...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2336/2269977789_a9d8d76237.jpg
Good job, Brandy! Glad you had a safe ride and I'm looking forward to reading a report on the day.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2336/2269977789_a9d8d76237.jpg
Good job, Brandy! Glad you had a safe ride and I'm looking forward to reading a report on the day.
merider1
02-17-08, 07:30 AM
Text message from Keith: "Fractured clavicle, 6 weeks."
Yuck. Glad it wasn't worse.
Yuck. Glad it wasn't worse.
DanteB
02-17-08, 07:32 AM
Thanks to all the BFer's working the rest stops, Jon, Phil and Lee (I hope I didn't miss anyone)!!!! :D It was great to be able to put a face to a name. I was going to post last night, but the bed kept calling me. I had a 12:46 ride time and 14:57 overall, to much time in rest stops visiting (oh well it was fun meeting new people). It was a tough ride with 9,000' of climbing and the big hills were in the back end. I hope Keith has a speedy recovery, never like to hear someone went down. :( I had no problems with traffic yesterday, lucky I guess. Anyway, I'm loading up and heading home.
merider1
02-17-08, 07:37 AM
Thanks to all the BFer's working the rest stops, Jon, Phil and Lee (I hope I didn't miss anyone)!!!! :D It was great to be able to put a face to a name. I was going to post last night, but the bed kept calling me. I had a 12:46 ride time and 14:57 overall, to much time in rest stops visiting (oh well it was fun meeting new people). It was a tough ride with 9,000' of climbing and the big hills were in the back end. I hope Keith has a speedy recovery, never like to hear someone went down. :( I had no problems with traffic yesterday, lucky I guess. Anyway, I'm loading up and heading home.
Nice Dante. No incidences for you too, which is good news. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the route, and to hear whom all you ran into. Have a safe drive home. :)
Nice Dante. No incidences for you too, which is good news. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the route, and to hear whom all you ran into. Have a safe drive home. :)
PlanetU
02-17-08, 11:55 AM
Hey - for those who rode, please email your total elevation to embassy@planetultra.com - and let us know if you rode on I-5 or through Pendleton. Pendleton DOES add climbing.
Our initial determination of the route elevation was based on driving the course. Sometimes bike computers pick up the climbing on little rollers that we lose when we're in the car.
At the finish line we had reports from 7,250-8,500 (with some having gone through Pendleton). So we'll update the website as to the total gain.
Our ride report will be posted in the next day or two. Unfortunately, we'll have to report that there was a lot of absolutely appalling behavior by riders - including urinating in public at checkpoints where BATHROOMS WERE AVAILABLE. There's a good chance we're going to lose our permission to use two of the checkpoints. The ride was put in serious jeopardy yesterday. Sad really.
Deb
Our initial determination of the route elevation was based on driving the course. Sometimes bike computers pick up the climbing on little rollers that we lose when we're in the car.
At the finish line we had reports from 7,250-8,500 (with some having gone through Pendleton). So we'll update the website as to the total gain.
Our ride report will be posted in the next day or two. Unfortunately, we'll have to report that there was a lot of absolutely appalling behavior by riders - including urinating in public at checkpoints where BATHROOMS WERE AVAILABLE. There's a good chance we're going to lose our permission to use two of the checkpoints. The ride was put in serious jeopardy yesterday. Sad really.
Deb
herbm
02-17-08, 01:31 PM
Hey - for those who rode, please email your total elevation to embassy@planetultra.com - and let us know if you rode on I-5 or through Pendleton. Pendleton DOES add climbing.
Our initial determination of the route elevation was based on driving the course. Sometimes bike computers pick up the climbing on little rollers that we lose when we're in the car.
At the finish line we had reports from 7,250-8,500 (with some having gone through Pendleton). So we'll update the website as to the total gain.
Our ride report will be posted in the next day or two. Unfortunately, we'll have to report that there was a lot of absolutely appalling behavior by riders - including urinating in public at checkpoints where BATHROOMS WERE AVAILABLE. There's a good chance we're going to lose our permission to use two of the checkpoints. The ride was put in serious jeopardy yesterday. Sad really.
Deb
I saw that at the Palm Springs century also...riders who wouldn't walk an extra 30 feet and stand in line for 3 minutes...unreal....
Our initial determination of the route elevation was based on driving the course. Sometimes bike computers pick up the climbing on little rollers that we lose when we're in the car.
At the finish line we had reports from 7,250-8,500 (with some having gone through Pendleton). So we'll update the website as to the total gain.
Our ride report will be posted in the next day or two. Unfortunately, we'll have to report that there was a lot of absolutely appalling behavior by riders - including urinating in public at checkpoints where BATHROOMS WERE AVAILABLE. There's a good chance we're going to lose our permission to use two of the checkpoints. The ride was put in serious jeopardy yesterday. Sad really.
Deb
I saw that at the Palm Springs century also...riders who wouldn't walk an extra 30 feet and stand in line for 3 minutes...unreal....
VanceMac
02-17-08, 01:37 PM
I saw that at the Palm Springs century also...riders who wouldn't walk an extra 30 feet and stand in line for 3 minutes...unreal....
Situational ethics are fascinating. One of my pet peeve examples: people who never in a million years would throw a candy wrapper on the ground, but don't hesitate to throw cigarette butts anywhere and everywhere.
Situational ethics are fascinating. One of my pet peeve examples: people who never in a million years would throw a candy wrapper on the ground, but don't hesitate to throw cigarette butts anywhere and everywhere.
Flipsster
02-17-08, 02:42 PM
I figured I barely survived one double (Grand Tour) with gears so why not try it fixed. The pace in Irvine was going out fast so I decided to just fade to the back and work on a slower pace. Found a group going through San Clemente and we kept it around 18-20 mph. Things were ok until we started doing more climbs around Fallbrook, I kept thinking there should only be 6,900 ft of climbing but by the time we headed back to the coast my computer registered 6k of climbing already and we still had a lot left to do.
At mile 160 my knees said "Game over"! I remembered reading about people in Survival situations and how developing a rhythm was useful. So all I did was focus on pushing every 4th pedal stroke and accepted that after tonight I will be known as "Stumpy" cause my knees will be blown. Cup'o noodles at CP4 was a Godsend along with the propane heater, the last stretch of Santiago Canyon was surreal at 9pm, not even sure if the two riders I rode with really existed or just my imagination. A little over 15 hours to finish running a 46*16 w/two brakes. Also put on a Brooks saddle a few weeks ago and today my butt is the only part of my body not hurting.
-Stumpy
At mile 160 my knees said "Game over"! I remembered reading about people in Survival situations and how developing a rhythm was useful. So all I did was focus on pushing every 4th pedal stroke and accepted that after tonight I will be known as "Stumpy" cause my knees will be blown. Cup'o noodles at CP4 was a Godsend along with the propane heater, the last stretch of Santiago Canyon was surreal at 9pm, not even sure if the two riders I rode with really existed or just my imagination. A little over 15 hours to finish running a 46*16 w/two brakes. Also put on a Brooks saddle a few weeks ago and today my butt is the only part of my body not hurting.
-Stumpy
roadfix
02-17-08, 03:07 PM
At mile 160 my knees said "Game over"!Perhaps you were geared too high? I ran 69 gear inches on the GT highland double and I felt that was the perfect gear for me for that ride profile.
Scootcore
02-17-08, 03:52 PM
i was on a ride not too long ago where some guys couldnt wait 5 minutes to get to a rite aid to takea leek, sad. hopefully the fallout from these tools isnt too bad as i wanna check out the new route next year...........tools
Rick@OCRR
02-17-08, 03:57 PM
Hey Stumpy
David Wu was telling me about a friend of his that seemed to have a pretty similar ride. Was that you? I know David rode a fixie on Grand Tour Highland, but don't know if you're in the same group. David rode gears on Butterfield.
Otherwise: Jackie and I Met Brandy and George at dinner the night before Butterfield, plus saw The Very Famous Ron Smith Jr. at registration. At the Hotel check-in we met Paul from Ventura, who would be trying his first double ever, and Xenia from Grover Beach who was riding her first Butterfield ever.
Jackie and I were on the early start, 5:30 AM, so low 40's to start, but once we started climbing (esp. San Juaquin Hills) we warmed up. By that climb, I had dropped Jackie and her friend (Action Figure) Roseanne, and coincidentally hooked up in a four-rider pack with Xenia and Paul (see Hotel, night before) and Wes, celebrating his 64th birthday on the double (this would be his 10th).
We stayed together and accidentally passed the first (Mini) checkpoint, but then found our way back to it, adding about 3 "bonus" miles. Once there we were greeted by Jon (WhiteCarabonDude) and maybe Lee (scvroadie), . . . but I'm not sure. We did see Lee several times throughout the day, but I wasn't taking notes and in some places my memory in a bit fuzzy (too much Sustained Energy?).
Xenia, Paul and Wes were impressed that I knew the roads so well, but hey, I ride around this area a lot, so I'd better know them. Still, we missed Green Latern in Dana Point, so my knowledge does need some detail work!
All was good as the day warmed up, through Dana Point, San Juan Cap, San Clemente and onto the bike trail. The first real checkpoint was at San Onofre (which would be the light pick-up later that day) ably staffed by Elise and Paul Haussler, and John Long . . . and someone else I didn't know. Here I took off my glove liners, balaclava and jacket, but it was cool enough (mid 50's?) that I kept the knee warmers and arm warmers on.
Leaving Checkpoint #1 we couldn't locate Wes, so the three of us took off for Checkpoint #4, which was also the lunch stop. Here Phil was manning the "funnel food" i.e. Sustained Energy, Hammer Gel, Endurolites, etc. plus I also saw Rebels Chuck Chen (Taiwanese), Andrew May (Australian), plus David Wu, Frank (Garfield) Neal, and a few others that don't come to mind right now . . .
Lunch was the (usual for Planet Ultra) Subway Sandwich, but these seemed tastier than usual for some reason. That done it was climb, climb, climb up around, but not actually into Fallbrook. I did see a Welcome to Fallbrook sign, but we stayed away from downtown Fallbrook, certainly. A few Thousand Feet up and down, then a long descent on Mission, back to North River Road, the Oceanside bike path, and mini-checkpoint, with Jon (again) and his lovely female companion (wife? girlfriend? just another checkpoint worker . . . I dunno). Saw Chuck (Triple Crown Guy) Bramwell here too, modeling the (new!) CA Triple Crown red arm warmers.
Then it was back to and on the 5 freeway shoulder (we took Pendleton traveling south), to Checkpoint #3 (same as #1), where we fiitted our lights, I had Elise fill my Camelback with Sustained Energy and Expresso Hammer Gel, and before long we were off . . . headed for the final checkpoint in Trabuco Canyon.
All was good through San Juan Cap, up through San Juan Creek, La Novia, Ortega Highway (slight stop for Xenia and Paul to lube their Speedplay cleats which were not releasing easily), then the Attack on Antonio Parkway; essentially a ten mile climb with two little "resting area" descents. Here I kind of let it loose, after pacing myself to Paul and Xenia all day. Pretty much hammered to the top, passed a bunch of riders, . . . then waited at the top for ten minutes for them to catch up.
That done, it was the twisting downhill switchback descent in Trabuco Canyon and Checkpoint #4. By this time it was getting cold again (about 7:30 PM), 57 deg.F at the school near the top of Antonio and probably high 40's in Trabuco. Cathe and Wick Waltmire, plus Lee (scvroadie) were holding down #4, with warm Cup-O-Soup very much welcome (salty but good!), plus I spoke with Dante for a few minutes (he loves his fleece leg warmers!), David Slaton, Cathe and Wick and (countless) others, and I was secretly really wanting to hug the propane heater!
Stayed there probably too long (half an hour?) and when we, i.e. Xenia and I went to leave we couldn't find Paul! Looked around several mintues, but we didn't even see his bike, so figured he'd taken off without us. Not like him . . . but whatever. He sure didn't seem to be there!
Next challenge was the Trabuco Canyon / Live Oak climb, one of those nasty ones that gets really steep near the summit. I told Xenia we'd take it at her pace, so I stayed behind her, yet after the appropriate struggle . . . we did in fact ride over the summit. Xenia said "At least the climb warmed us up!" which indeed it had, just in time for the frigid plunge down to Santiago Canyon. We then faced another (warming!) climb up a mile and a half from Cooks Corner! 12 miles later (mostly descending with three climbs) it was left on Jamboree, again mostly downhill (one climb) to Portola.
Portola has slight up and down inclines, not really hills or climbs certainly, then 3 miles later a right on Sand Canyon and we were on the last bit home (well, to the hotel). Much rejoycing, all in the spirit of "My that was fun; glad it's over!" Deb signed us in, Xenia's husband was there to meet her (fresh from a Dart Tournament on the Queen Mary), plus I saw Dante, spoke with David Wu (about Stumpy). Finally Paul pulled in, looking a bit ragged (he's had stomach problems) but he was happy to finish! Then it was off to the hotel room for the hottest shower ever (gotta restore some body temp).
Looking like the proverbial cooked lobster (probably) I dressed and went down to the lobby to await the arrival of my lovely wife and her Action Figure companion. Talked with Deb and Brian for awhile (congrats to Deb on her quote in Bicycling! magazine) plus talked with Lee, Paul and Elise and anyone else who popped through the door.
Eventually, and at long last, Jackie and Roseanne arrived, mostly frozen but still able to function, so that was good! Back in the room, Jackie wanted to eat at Denny's but by the time she was out of the shower I was mostly asleep. So she went to Denny's alone (what a mean husband I am!) while I slept.
Thanks to Deb and Brian for another great Double, thanks to Xenia and Paul for the company, and hopefully we'll see you all again at Solvang! Thanks to the bikeforum.net checkpoint workers, plus the Rebel checkpoint workers . . . and in fact all the checkpoint and SAG workers!
Slept well last night, will probably take a nap this afternoon (Sunday)!
Rick / OCRR
David Wu was telling me about a friend of his that seemed to have a pretty similar ride. Was that you? I know David rode a fixie on Grand Tour Highland, but don't know if you're in the same group. David rode gears on Butterfield.
Otherwise: Jackie and I Met Brandy and George at dinner the night before Butterfield, plus saw The Very Famous Ron Smith Jr. at registration. At the Hotel check-in we met Paul from Ventura, who would be trying his first double ever, and Xenia from Grover Beach who was riding her first Butterfield ever.
Jackie and I were on the early start, 5:30 AM, so low 40's to start, but once we started climbing (esp. San Juaquin Hills) we warmed up. By that climb, I had dropped Jackie and her friend (Action Figure) Roseanne, and coincidentally hooked up in a four-rider pack with Xenia and Paul (see Hotel, night before) and Wes, celebrating his 64th birthday on the double (this would be his 10th).
We stayed together and accidentally passed the first (Mini) checkpoint, but then found our way back to it, adding about 3 "bonus" miles. Once there we were greeted by Jon (WhiteCarabonDude) and maybe Lee (scvroadie), . . . but I'm not sure. We did see Lee several times throughout the day, but I wasn't taking notes and in some places my memory in a bit fuzzy (too much Sustained Energy?).
Xenia, Paul and Wes were impressed that I knew the roads so well, but hey, I ride around this area a lot, so I'd better know them. Still, we missed Green Latern in Dana Point, so my knowledge does need some detail work!
All was good as the day warmed up, through Dana Point, San Juan Cap, San Clemente and onto the bike trail. The first real checkpoint was at San Onofre (which would be the light pick-up later that day) ably staffed by Elise and Paul Haussler, and John Long . . . and someone else I didn't know. Here I took off my glove liners, balaclava and jacket, but it was cool enough (mid 50's?) that I kept the knee warmers and arm warmers on.
Leaving Checkpoint #1 we couldn't locate Wes, so the three of us took off for Checkpoint #4, which was also the lunch stop. Here Phil was manning the "funnel food" i.e. Sustained Energy, Hammer Gel, Endurolites, etc. plus I also saw Rebels Chuck Chen (Taiwanese), Andrew May (Australian), plus David Wu, Frank (Garfield) Neal, and a few others that don't come to mind right now . . .
Lunch was the (usual for Planet Ultra) Subway Sandwich, but these seemed tastier than usual for some reason. That done it was climb, climb, climb up around, but not actually into Fallbrook. I did see a Welcome to Fallbrook sign, but we stayed away from downtown Fallbrook, certainly. A few Thousand Feet up and down, then a long descent on Mission, back to North River Road, the Oceanside bike path, and mini-checkpoint, with Jon (again) and his lovely female companion (wife? girlfriend? just another checkpoint worker . . . I dunno). Saw Chuck (Triple Crown Guy) Bramwell here too, modeling the (new!) CA Triple Crown red arm warmers.
Then it was back to and on the 5 freeway shoulder (we took Pendleton traveling south), to Checkpoint #3 (same as #1), where we fiitted our lights, I had Elise fill my Camelback with Sustained Energy and Expresso Hammer Gel, and before long we were off . . . headed for the final checkpoint in Trabuco Canyon.
All was good through San Juan Cap, up through San Juan Creek, La Novia, Ortega Highway (slight stop for Xenia and Paul to lube their Speedplay cleats which were not releasing easily), then the Attack on Antonio Parkway; essentially a ten mile climb with two little "resting area" descents. Here I kind of let it loose, after pacing myself to Paul and Xenia all day. Pretty much hammered to the top, passed a bunch of riders, . . . then waited at the top for ten minutes for them to catch up.
That done, it was the twisting downhill switchback descent in Trabuco Canyon and Checkpoint #4. By this time it was getting cold again (about 7:30 PM), 57 deg.F at the school near the top of Antonio and probably high 40's in Trabuco. Cathe and Wick Waltmire, plus Lee (scvroadie) were holding down #4, with warm Cup-O-Soup very much welcome (salty but good!), plus I spoke with Dante for a few minutes (he loves his fleece leg warmers!), David Slaton, Cathe and Wick and (countless) others, and I was secretly really wanting to hug the propane heater!
Stayed there probably too long (half an hour?) and when we, i.e. Xenia and I went to leave we couldn't find Paul! Looked around several mintues, but we didn't even see his bike, so figured he'd taken off without us. Not like him . . . but whatever. He sure didn't seem to be there!
Next challenge was the Trabuco Canyon / Live Oak climb, one of those nasty ones that gets really steep near the summit. I told Xenia we'd take it at her pace, so I stayed behind her, yet after the appropriate struggle . . . we did in fact ride over the summit. Xenia said "At least the climb warmed us up!" which indeed it had, just in time for the frigid plunge down to Santiago Canyon. We then faced another (warming!) climb up a mile and a half from Cooks Corner! 12 miles later (mostly descending with three climbs) it was left on Jamboree, again mostly downhill (one climb) to Portola.
Portola has slight up and down inclines, not really hills or climbs certainly, then 3 miles later a right on Sand Canyon and we were on the last bit home (well, to the hotel). Much rejoycing, all in the spirit of "My that was fun; glad it's over!" Deb signed us in, Xenia's husband was there to meet her (fresh from a Dart Tournament on the Queen Mary), plus I saw Dante, spoke with David Wu (about Stumpy). Finally Paul pulled in, looking a bit ragged (he's had stomach problems) but he was happy to finish! Then it was off to the hotel room for the hottest shower ever (gotta restore some body temp).
Looking like the proverbial cooked lobster (probably) I dressed and went down to the lobby to await the arrival of my lovely wife and her Action Figure companion. Talked with Deb and Brian for awhile (congrats to Deb on her quote in Bicycling! magazine) plus talked with Lee, Paul and Elise and anyone else who popped through the door.
Eventually, and at long last, Jackie and Roseanne arrived, mostly frozen but still able to function, so that was good! Back in the room, Jackie wanted to eat at Denny's but by the time she was out of the shower I was mostly asleep. So she went to Denny's alone (what a mean husband I am!) while I slept.
Thanks to Deb and Brian for another great Double, thanks to Xenia and Paul for the company, and hopefully we'll see you all again at Solvang! Thanks to the bikeforum.net checkpoint workers, plus the Rebel checkpoint workers . . . and in fact all the checkpoint and SAG workers!
Slept well last night, will probably take a nap this afternoon (Sunday)!
Rick / OCRR
maddmike
02-17-08, 05:04 PM
Nice, Phil! You volunteers are the backbone! Where is your pic? :D
At the Lunch Stop
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/maddmike1959/IMG_1920.jpg
At the Lunch Stop
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/maddmike1959/IMG_1920.jpg
merider1
02-17-08, 05:07 PM
At the Lunch Stop
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/maddmike1959/IMG_1920.jpg
:beer: Very cute. :D
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/maddmike1959/IMG_1920.jpg
:beer: Very cute. :D
merider1
02-17-08, 05:09 PM
Our ride report will be posted in the next day or two. Unfortunately, we'll have to report that there was a lot of absolutely appalling behavior by riders - including urinating in public at checkpoints where BATHROOMS WERE AVAILABLE. There's a good chance we're going to lose our permission to use two of the checkpoints. The ride was put in serious jeopardy yesterday. Sad really.
Deb
Sorry, Deb. It would seem on such an urban route, there would be plenty of bathrooms. All it takes are a few bad apples...
Deb
Sorry, Deb. It would seem on such an urban route, there would be plenty of bathrooms. All it takes are a few bad apples...
merider1
02-17-08, 05:15 PM
Slept well last night, will probably take a nap this afternoon (Sunday)!
Rick / OCRR
Nice report, Rick, thank you! :) You done good and I'm looking forward to trying the route out next year if I'm up for it. By the way, Scoot and I were talking yesterday about those Subway sandwiches and how, even though they get a little smushed during transport, they are the best damn sandwiches ever after 100 or so miles with another 100 or so to go! ;)
Rick / OCRR
Nice report, Rick, thank you! :) You done good and I'm looking forward to trying the route out next year if I'm up for it. By the way, Scoot and I were talking yesterday about those Subway sandwiches and how, even though they get a little smushed during transport, they are the best damn sandwiches ever after 100 or so miles with another 100 or so to go! ;)
maddmike
02-17-08, 05:19 PM
This turned out to be an awesome ride. The weather was good, the course was good and the people were awesome.
Thanks to Extort, Lee and WhitecarbonDude for volunteering.
First double since last June so, my time wasn't that great: 13:57 total time but, it's still the first time I broke the 14 hour barriers.
Here's the pics:
At the 6:15 start:
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/maddmike1959/IMG_1909.jpg
Down Cove Rd into Data Point:
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/maddmike1959/IMG_1915.jpg
White Carbon Dude at the first Rest Stop:
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/maddmike1959/IMG_1918.jpg
First Rest Stop:
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/maddmike1959/IMG_1919.jpg
Headding out to Bonsal
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/maddmike1959/IMG_1921.jpg
out to Bonsal
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/maddmike1959/IMG_1922.jpg
Thanks to Extort, Lee and WhitecarbonDude for volunteering.
First double since last June so, my time wasn't that great: 13:57 total time but, it's still the first time I broke the 14 hour barriers.
Here's the pics:
At the 6:15 start:
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/maddmike1959/IMG_1909.jpg
Down Cove Rd into Data Point:
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/maddmike1959/IMG_1915.jpg
White Carbon Dude at the first Rest Stop:
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/maddmike1959/IMG_1918.jpg
First Rest Stop:
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/maddmike1959/IMG_1919.jpg
Headding out to Bonsal
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/maddmike1959/IMG_1921.jpg
out to Bonsal
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/maddmike1959/IMG_1922.jpg
merider1
02-17-08, 05:22 PM
Nice pics, Mike!! :) Thank you. Your time sounds great to me and I'm sitting here wishing I had been in the shape to ride it.
maddmike
02-17-08, 05:24 PM
Nice pics, Mike!! :) Thank you. Your time sounds great to me and I'm sitting here wishing I had been in the shape to ride it.
Thanks,
Get better, You don't want to push you self to far to fast.
:D
Thanks,
Get better, You don't want to push you self to far to fast.
:D
tprevost
02-17-08, 05:27 PM
Home, showered and heading to bed. Report tomorrow. :D
Brandy 12:18
George 10:46
Congrats to everyone for a great ride! I have a question B... was this route easier than last year's route or did the two of you just shave 2 hours of of last years time????? :eek:
Brandy 12:18
George 10:46
Congrats to everyone for a great ride! I have a question B... was this route easier than last year's route or did the two of you just shave 2 hours of of last years time????? :eek:
merider1
02-17-08, 05:28 PM
Thanks,
Get better, You don't want to push you self to far to fast.
:D
:lol: Yeah, like 200 miles? :p Not happening anytime soon. My little 40 mile ride today was just fine. :D
Get better, You don't want to push you self to far to fast.
:D
:lol: Yeah, like 200 miles? :p Not happening anytime soon. My little 40 mile ride today was just fine. :D
Brandy
02-17-08, 05:44 PM
Congrats to everyone for a great ride! I have a question B... was this route easier than last year's route or did the two of you just shave 2 hours of of last years time????? :eek:
No, definitely not easier than last year. It's hard to say exactly why/how I cut off two hours because there are so many different variables...Butterfield Double last year was my first double, it was HOT, I didn't have my nutrition down, I faded several times, my fitness is just at a different level this year. While I am in better shape, I pushed MUCH harder this year than last. Riding these doubles for time takes it's toll on you! Course-wise, the climbing this year was backloaded, so I would say that would be harder for some people. I knew it was coming, so I was prepared, plus it helps that the majority of the course was roads I was familiar with.
This year I think I rode hard and rode smart, taking advantage of pacelines when I could, spending no more than 5 minutes at the lunch stop because I knew there was an immediate climb and though I was hungry for solid food, I didn't want to be climbing on a full stomach. I stuffed a Subway sandwich under my jersey and after I climbed Circle R and Reche...once I hit Green Canyon and realized it was a descent, I ate my sandwich while coasting at 21 mph. :D
As for George's time...last year he did it on a fixed gear AND he babied me through from mile 38 on. He sacrificed his time for me. Awwwwwww. :p
I'll do a full report soon!
No, definitely not easier than last year. It's hard to say exactly why/how I cut off two hours because there are so many different variables...Butterfield Double last year was my first double, it was HOT, I didn't have my nutrition down, I faded several times, my fitness is just at a different level this year. While I am in better shape, I pushed MUCH harder this year than last. Riding these doubles for time takes it's toll on you! Course-wise, the climbing this year was backloaded, so I would say that would be harder for some people. I knew it was coming, so I was prepared, plus it helps that the majority of the course was roads I was familiar with.
This year I think I rode hard and rode smart, taking advantage of pacelines when I could, spending no more than 5 minutes at the lunch stop because I knew there was an immediate climb and though I was hungry for solid food, I didn't want to be climbing on a full stomach. I stuffed a Subway sandwich under my jersey and after I climbed Circle R and Reche...once I hit Green Canyon and realized it was a descent, I ate my sandwich while coasting at 21 mph. :D
As for George's time...last year he did it on a fixed gear AND he babied me through from mile 38 on. He sacrificed his time for me. Awwwwwww. :p
I'll do a full report soon!
spingineer
02-17-08, 06:07 PM
Met someone today at the Tour of California Prologue who did the double yesterday. Drove up, and worked the prologue today. Dang, that's dedication. Asked her how long it took her to finish ... 11.5 hours :eek: No wonder ... she races for Webcor.
Brandy
02-17-08, 06:09 PM
She's an animal! I think that Deb said she came in at 11:05. :eek:
tprevost
02-17-08, 06:30 PM
No, definitely not easier than last year. It's hard to say exactly why/how I cut off two hours because there are so many different variables...Butterfield Double last year was my first double, it was HOT, I didn't have my nutrition down, I faded several times, my fitness is just at a different level this year. While I am in better shape, I pushed MUCH harder this year than last. Riding these doubles for time takes it's toll on you! Course-wise, the climbing this year was backloaded, so I would say that would be harder for some people. I knew it was coming, so I was prepared, plus it helps that the majority of the course was roads I was familiar with.
This year I think I rode hard and rode smart, taking advantage of pacelines when I could, spending no more than 5 minutes at the lunch stop because I knew there was an immediate climb and though I was hungry for solid food, I didn't want to be climbing on a full stomach. I stuffed a Subway sandwich under my jersey and after I climbed Circle R and Reche...once I hit Green Canyon and realized it was a descent, I ate my sandwich while coasting at 21 mph. :D
As for George's time...last year he did it on a fixed gear AND he babied me through from mile 38 on. He sacrificed his time for me. Awwwwwww. :p
I'll do a full report soon!
You did awesome! Obviously you're getting all this stuff down ... that time improvement is WAY cool! Well Done to both you and George!
This year I think I rode hard and rode smart, taking advantage of pacelines when I could, spending no more than 5 minutes at the lunch stop because I knew there was an immediate climb and though I was hungry for solid food, I didn't want to be climbing on a full stomach. I stuffed a Subway sandwich under my jersey and after I climbed Circle R and Reche...once I hit Green Canyon and realized it was a descent, I ate my sandwich while coasting at 21 mph. :D
As for George's time...last year he did it on a fixed gear AND he babied me through from mile 38 on. He sacrificed his time for me. Awwwwwww. :p
I'll do a full report soon!
You did awesome! Obviously you're getting all this stuff down ... that time improvement is WAY cool! Well Done to both you and George!
Flipsster
02-17-08, 07:20 PM
Hi Rick..yeah that was me. David inspired me to try a double fixed.
Cool write up!
-Stumpy
Cool write up!
-Stumpy
spingineer
02-17-08, 07:56 PM
I heard the total elevation gain was 8900 feet, and near the end, there was a 20 mile stretch with 2000 feet climbing. Dang! That had to be painful.
Vireo
02-17-08, 08:29 PM
Perhaps you were geared too high? I ran 69 gear inches on the GT highland double and I felt that was the perfect gear for me for that ride profile.
I rode Butterfield Double Century last year fixed with a 49 x 16 about 81.5 GI that felt fine with similar amount of climbing. I did Solvang Double Century with 49 x 15 about 87 GI. I definitely felt I wanted more so if I did Solvang again I would do a 49 x 14 93.1 GI.
I used the same gear ratio on Furnace Creek that "stumpy" used on Butterfield. 49x17 76.6 GI.
"stumpy"- here is a gear inch chart play around with it.
http://www.epictrain.com/files/Gear_Inch_Calculator.xls
I rode Butterfield Double Century last year fixed with a 49 x 16 about 81.5 GI that felt fine with similar amount of climbing. I did Solvang Double Century with 49 x 15 about 87 GI. I definitely felt I wanted more so if I did Solvang again I would do a 49 x 14 93.1 GI.
I used the same gear ratio on Furnace Creek that "stumpy" used on Butterfield. 49x17 76.6 GI.
"stumpy"- here is a gear inch chart play around with it.
http://www.epictrain.com/files/Gear_Inch_Calculator.xls
Allez Oops
02-17-08, 08:54 PM
...once I hit Green Canyon and realized it was a descent, I ate my sandwich while coasting at 21 mph.
I'm picturing bits of iceberg lettuce flying in a jet-trail behind you! I can't seem to get through a Subway sammich without lettuce all over myself, even at rest.
Shaving two hours off your previous time is outstanding. As a percentage of the total ride time, that is huge. Yowsa.
Any comments on the section of the course that came under discussion earlier as being worrisome due to the high-speed car traffic, combined with nightfall? How was that leg of the ride?
I'm picturing bits of iceberg lettuce flying in a jet-trail behind you! I can't seem to get through a Subway sammich without lettuce all over myself, even at rest.
Shaving two hours off your previous time is outstanding. As a percentage of the total ride time, that is huge. Yowsa.
Any comments on the section of the course that came under discussion earlier as being worrisome due to the high-speed car traffic, combined with nightfall? How was that leg of the ride?
Flipsster
02-17-08, 10:45 PM
Vireo - Thanks for the Gear chart! Very cool. Actually reading about your ride at Butterfield is what helped me choose that one to try the fixed double especially with the ride being only 6900 ft this year.;)
Roadfix - Not sure if the 69in would have been much better for me due to the higher cadence on the downhill, I was also thinking more for for the flats and 77in is fine for me to hold 20mph. What I also left out in my post is the big no no I did. I decided to change out my cleats a week ago and I think I was a little off in my position. (lesson to self...don't change out cleats unless I have enough time to make sure they are dialed in)
Funny, one of the things I love about fixed gear is how efficient the drive train is, and with the ideal grade I seem to climb better..problem is after your knees are blown you definitely feel every inch and the drive train is just as efficient in letting you know how much painful each revolution is.
I had to walk the last section out of Live Oak..was I the only one feeling no love from the drivers on that stretch of road? One even took the time to yell out how stupid I was. How could he have seen what drive train I was using at 9:30 at night :D
Roadfix - Not sure if the 69in would have been much better for me due to the higher cadence on the downhill, I was also thinking more for for the flats and 77in is fine for me to hold 20mph. What I also left out in my post is the big no no I did. I decided to change out my cleats a week ago and I think I was a little off in my position. (lesson to self...don't change out cleats unless I have enough time to make sure they are dialed in)
Funny, one of the things I love about fixed gear is how efficient the drive train is, and with the ideal grade I seem to climb better..problem is after your knees are blown you definitely feel every inch and the drive train is just as efficient in letting you know how much painful each revolution is.
I had to walk the last section out of Live Oak..was I the only one feeling no love from the drivers on that stretch of road? One even took the time to yell out how stupid I was. How could he have seen what drive train I was using at 9:30 at night :D
DanteB
02-18-08, 02:33 AM
White Carbon Dude at the first Rest Stop:
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/maddmike1959/IMG_1918.jpg
I know that guy trying to sneak into the picture.:D
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p33/maddmike1959/IMG_1918.jpg
I know that guy trying to sneak into the picture.:D
DanteB
02-18-08, 02:51 AM
1:30 in the morning and finally a chance to post my report. I got home at 10am and then was busy helping test and counsel people with asthma in the farming community of Lamont.
I started with the mass start at 6:15. It was a fast start since it was downhill out of the hotel. It was cold at first but soon we hit the hills on the way to the beach and I warmed up. Great rollers, why is it there is always a traffic light, red no less, at the bottom of every downhill? We finally made the mini stop and I met Jon (WhiteCarbonDude). I let the group I was riding with go, they were riding a little faster than I like to.
I got to check point #1 and saw John Long and others. I dumped some clothes, it was warming up. CP #1 and CP#3 were the same so I could pick up my clothes on the way back. I made it to Oceanside and headed out the bike path towards Bonsall. About 2 miles out the path I encountered a swarm of bees. They were everywhere, the air was black with them and I was in the middle of them, being hit by hundreds of them. As I emerged out the other side I looked down to see about 50 of them on me. Some of them were stunned and upside down trying to sting anything they could. I was brushing them off as genially as I could to keep from getting stung, all the while I was riding along. I didn’t get stung, I don’t know how. The adrenaline was running pretty high during the whole event and it took a few minute to calm down. Then it was finally on to CP#2 and lunch.
It lunch I saw Phil (Extort) with his big smile and Frank Neil. Lunch was the usual Subway sandwiches, I had one and it tasted good. As soon as I left lunch there was a climb, I think it was about 6 miles and 20+%. Looking back at my download it was only 4.5 miles with an average of 4% with some pitches of 8%. (Note to self, only eat half the sandwich, take the rest for later and don’t stay to long)
The ride to CP#3 was uneventful, saw Jon again at the mini stop. I put my arm and leg warmers back on and grabbed my lights at CP#3 and head towards the last climbs of the day. First, Antonio Parkway the climb that never quits. Then CP#4 and Lee (scroadie), a cup of noodles, the most comfortable concrete and rock wall I’ve ever sat on and a few minutes off the bike. Then it was the dreaded Trabuco/Live Oak climb, over the climb and heading home. Oh, there were a few more small climbs and some false flats. Finally the most beautiful sign I saw all day, Sand Canyon. A quick 2.5 miles downhill and I was finished. I showed 194.9 miles and 9,000’ of climbing on my Polar CS600.
After checking in I had a burger at Knollwood’s and stopped at Peet’s for a drink. Then it was a nice lonnnnng hot shower and a bed. It was a good ride and I was happy with my time for this early in the year. I think the best part of the whole ride was meeting and visiting with all the riders and workers along the route.
I started with the mass start at 6:15. It was a fast start since it was downhill out of the hotel. It was cold at first but soon we hit the hills on the way to the beach and I warmed up. Great rollers, why is it there is always a traffic light, red no less, at the bottom of every downhill? We finally made the mini stop and I met Jon (WhiteCarbonDude). I let the group I was riding with go, they were riding a little faster than I like to.
I got to check point #1 and saw John Long and others. I dumped some clothes, it was warming up. CP #1 and CP#3 were the same so I could pick up my clothes on the way back. I made it to Oceanside and headed out the bike path towards Bonsall. About 2 miles out the path I encountered a swarm of bees. They were everywhere, the air was black with them and I was in the middle of them, being hit by hundreds of them. As I emerged out the other side I looked down to see about 50 of them on me. Some of them were stunned and upside down trying to sting anything they could. I was brushing them off as genially as I could to keep from getting stung, all the while I was riding along. I didn’t get stung, I don’t know how. The adrenaline was running pretty high during the whole event and it took a few minute to calm down. Then it was finally on to CP#2 and lunch.
It lunch I saw Phil (Extort) with his big smile and Frank Neil. Lunch was the usual Subway sandwiches, I had one and it tasted good. As soon as I left lunch there was a climb, I think it was about 6 miles and 20+%. Looking back at my download it was only 4.5 miles with an average of 4% with some pitches of 8%. (Note to self, only eat half the sandwich, take the rest for later and don’t stay to long)
The ride to CP#3 was uneventful, saw Jon again at the mini stop. I put my arm and leg warmers back on and grabbed my lights at CP#3 and head towards the last climbs of the day. First, Antonio Parkway the climb that never quits. Then CP#4 and Lee (scroadie), a cup of noodles, the most comfortable concrete and rock wall I’ve ever sat on and a few minutes off the bike. Then it was the dreaded Trabuco/Live Oak climb, over the climb and heading home. Oh, there were a few more small climbs and some false flats. Finally the most beautiful sign I saw all day, Sand Canyon. A quick 2.5 miles downhill and I was finished. I showed 194.9 miles and 9,000’ of climbing on my Polar CS600.
After checking in I had a burger at Knollwood’s and stopped at Peet’s for a drink. Then it was a nice lonnnnng hot shower and a bed. It was a good ride and I was happy with my time for this early in the year. I think the best part of the whole ride was meeting and visiting with all the riders and workers along the route.
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