"The 33"-Road Bike Racing - Never, EVER (Spoiler alert)

sit up and slow down until you've crossed the line...

Crazy Manxman.

Congrats to Slipstream though...

I think he was totally cooked. :rolleyes:

You noticed that too? I don't think he was out of gas. I think he made a boo boo.

You noticed that too? I don't think he was out of gas. I think he made a boo boo.

When he took the time to look over both sholders, I think he realized he started too early. I don't think he had anything left. At least that's what I got from watching.

Smart play by Boonen though; he was super patient.

Crazy Manxman.


Yeah...I think he's kicking himself in the ass a bit right now.

Masterful execution by Boonen - also interesting to see Cipo right up there. Forty freaking one, and he's still kicking with the guys in their mid 20s. Unreal.

I believe I may have once been caught behind Cavendish while driving on the Isle of Man. (can't be sure)

If he was sprinting along at 65kph, it was probably him :D

I think he thought he was leading out Ciolek, hence the looking round to see where he was and possible resulting confusion...

I thought it was a ruse at first and that he had it in the bag, I got dead excited. I was very disappointed.

I think he was toast, he took off as if he were 150m away which is why he got that gap then when everyone else turned it on he didn't have much of a chance. i liked the attempt though, ive seen that work.

Exciting finish!

I think he was cooked too. From the video it looks like he's out of go-juice.

He thought he was leading out Ciolek, apparently he lost his ear piece at some point during the race and had no idea Ciolek was not behind him.

How did they ever do this without radios???????????

He thought he was leading out Ciolek, apparently he lost his ear piece at some point during the race and had no idea Ciolek was not behind him.

How did they ever do this without radios???????????

They shouted at each other. Ever watch a derny race? The cyclists shout at the derny drivers to speed up or slow down. A good leadout has the same kind of communication.

In 1999, Cippo gave an interview where he said he and Fanini had a form of communication a bit like marco polo. Fanini, gearing up for the lead-out, would say something along the lines of "Mario, mario" and Cippo would reply back something.

I was being sarcastic. . . . . . .

marco

polo

polo

dammit

Ha, ha (in best Nelson Muntz (simpsons) voice)

sit up and slow down until you've crossed the line...

Crazy Manxman.

Congrats to Slipstream though...

does this mean that cavendish screwed the pooch?

question for you guys that watched at home. i thought i heard the anouncer saying that JJ flatted on the circuit. if thats true did he make it back into the main group?

i love how lost frankie and joe?? are when announcing they have no stats on anything and seem to be as clueless as us watching about anything happening.

I think Haedo was around 9th wheel before the sprint began, but that was the last I could tell of what happened.


does this mean that cavendish screwed the pooch?

High road sets up beautiful leadout train. They pull through the last corner with three guys (assuming two leadout guys and their sprinter). First pulls off and the next guy in line takes a MASSIVE turn as the final one eases up. Four or five bike lengths open up before anyone knows whats happening and anything is done to try and catch the sprung High road rider who pulled away with about 400 meters to go. Cavendish now has over ten bike lengths and he is going all out. Should have the power to hold it, but about 150 meters to the line he sits up and looks over his left shoulder. Then his right. Did he run out of gas? Did he think he had won it? Was he expecting his sprinter to come around? When he realized he was clear of the pack he tried to go again, but was swallowed about 30 meters from the line.

Yeah, he screwed it.

I'm pretty sure JJ got 4th.

I think Haedo was around 9th wheel before the sprint began, but that was the last I could tell of what happened.



High road sets up beautiful leadout train. They pull through the last corner with three guys (assuming two leadout guys and their sprinter). First pulls off and the next guy in line takes a MASSIVE turn as the final one eases up. Four or five bike lengths open up before anyone knows whats happening and anything is done to try and catch the sprung High road rider who pulled away with about 400 meters to go. Cavendish now has over ten bike lengths and he is going all out. Should have the power to hold it, but about 150 meters to the line he sits up and looks over his left shoulder. Then his right. Did he run out of gas? Did he think he had won it? Was he expecting his sprinter to come around? When he realized he was clear of the pack he tried to go again, but was swallowed about 30 meters from the line.

Yeah, he screwed it.

thanks for the detailed report.

I've never raced a bike in my life outside of kicking my friends ass through the neighborhood. I also didn't watch this race. I have, however, participated in competitive sports (football). How the hell do you run out of gas at the finish line?

I'm suspect of such a thing.

JJ DID flat. Caught a wheel from a team-mate and put it to the metal to just catch back up. The peleton was long and strung out. He had a heck of a time just getting back to the front.

Tyson

I've never raced a bike in my life outside of kicking my friends ass through the neighborhood. I also didn't watch this race. I have, however, participated in competitive sports (football). How the hell do you run out of gas at the finish line?

I'm suspect of such a thing.

Sprint really hard and see what happens.

JJ DID flat. Caught a wheel from a team-mate and put it to the metal to just catch back up. The peleton was long and strung out. He had a heck of a time just getting back to the front.

Tyson

awesome, thanx for the clarification.

question for you guys that watched at home. i thought i heard the anouncer saying that JJ flatted on the circuit. if thats true did he make it back into the main group?

Yes, JJ flated and made it back to the group. He was actually in 9th position before the final sprint.

JJ DID flat. Caught a wheel from a team-mate and put it to the metal to just catch back up. The peleton was long and strung out. He had a heck of a time just getting back to the front.

Tyson

A little help from the team car didn't hurt either. :rolleyes:

D'oh.. 2 late.

Sprint really hard and see what happens.

Unfortunately i'll likely not have the chance to sprint really hard with the prospects of history and glory...

- also interesting to see Cipo right up there. Forty freaking one, and he's still kicking with the guys in their mid 20s. Unreal.

Let's stay on this point for a second. Mario had that race in Vegas last fall, but has had essentially nothing for the past few years and he's right there with Boonen!!! WHAT IN THE HELL?!?!? Is anyone else as amazed as I am by this? Considering how hard some of these guys train just to hang onto the pack, I'm floored.

Let's stay on this point for a second. Mario had that race in Vegas last fall, but has had essentially nothing for the past few years and he's right there with Boonen!!! WHAT IN THE HELL?!?!? Is anyone else as amazed as I am by this? Considering how hard some of these guys train just to hang onto the pack, I'm floored.

nope.

he's a talent. he's been training hard throughout winter. it's a domestic US race in february.

Unfortunately i'll likely not have the chance to sprint really hard with the prospects of history and glory...

if he thought he was the leadout it makes sense. You spring for a line ~150-200 meters in front of the finish. If you're not out of gas there you did it wrong.

I've never raced a bike in my life outside of kicking my friends ass through the neighborhood. I also didn't watch this race. I have, however, participated in competitive sports (football). How the hell do you run out of gas at the finish line?

I'm suspect of such a thing.

Imagine you played defense and picked up a fumble. You ran as hard as you could for the opposite endzone but instead of a 100 yard field, it was 200 yards. You ran as hard as you could but about 75 yards from the endzone you "pop" or run out of gas. Meanwhile, the people following were not running all out. They were running at a good clip, but they paced better and smeared you before you ever got near the endzone, because you ran out of gas.

Enter a bike race sometime. You will experience first hand what running out of gas is like as you watch the pack ride away from you.

Enter a bike race sometime. You will experience first hand what running out of gas is like as you watch the pack ride away from you.

+1

Imagine you played defense and picked up a fumble. You ran as hard as you could for the opposite endzone but instead of a 100 yard field, it was 200 yards. You ran as hard as you could but about 75 yards from the endzone you "pop" or run out of gas. Meanwhile, the people following were not running all out. They were running at a good clip, but they paced better and smeared you before you ever got near the endzone, because you ran out of gas.

Enter a bike race sometime. You will experience first hand what running out of gas is like as you watch the pack ride away from you.

I understand, we've all seen that play out on Sunday before and i know there is biology involved here. I'm just saying that if i had to place a bet with no other knowledge, my bet would be that he thought it was over. Winners find that extra bit of gas in their tank...then again, he didn't win ;)

I understand, we've all seen that play out on Sunday before and i know there is biology involved here. I'm just saying that if i had to place a bet with no other knowledge, my bet would be that he thought it was over. Winners find that extra bit of gas in their tank...then again, he didn't win ;)

It happens, especially when you've gone early. You're slowing down as everyone is hitting top speed. Last year I was passed by 3 riders with less than 15m to go(we all finished within a bike length) and believe me I wanted to win that race, BAD. Thats what I get for going early from the front though.
Sometimes you have that little extra, sometimes you don't.

Sometimes you have that little extra, sometimes you don't.

and after riding 115 miles chances are you dont have that little extra. ;)

nope.

he's a talent. he's been training hard throughout winter. it's a domestic US race in february.

c'mon ... he didn't even consider Rock Racing until some time after the Vegas trip. Boonen has been rippin' up Qatar. And Cipo is right there? Granted Cipo in his prime is easily Boonen's match, but just what the heck has Cipo been doin' that he can be right there? It's just a little amazing to me.

I understand, we've all seen that play out on Sunday before and i know there is biology involved here. I'm just saying that if i had to place a bet with no other knowledge, my bet would be that he thought it was over. Winners find that extra bit of gas in their tank...then again, he didn't win ;)

Ouch. You quarterback a lot of games from that chair?

Winners find that extra bit of gas in their tank...

Unfortunately that biology you speak of tends to trump just about everything else. ;)

The brain shuts down the body before one's ego can do any serious damage to it- like it or not.

I've never raced a bike in my life outside of kicking my friends ass through the neighborhood. I also didn't watch this race. I have, however, participated in competitive sports (football). How the hell do you run out of gas at the finish line?

I'm suspect of such a thing.

WTF? Are you serious? Why are you even posting in theis subforum?

c'mon ... he didn't even consider Rock Racing until some time after the Vegas trip.

vegas was the off season zone.


Boonen has been rippin' up Qatar.

and?


And Cipo is right there?

and?


Granted Cipo in his prime is easily Boonen's match, but just what the heck has Cipo been doin' that he can be right there? It's just a little amazing to me.

training his ass off over the winter.

the dude has his pride, and italian tax bills to pay.

To the sprinting question:


Anaerobic training is shorter than aerobic training in duration (less than two minutes), in which oxygen is not a limiting factor in performance, and requires energy from anaerobic sources. These energy sources involve the utilization of phosphagen and lactic acid by the athlete’s body; and enables them to perform brief, near maximal muscular activity (<2 min). Events, or activity that lasts up to 30 seconds in length, rely almost exclusively on the phosphagen system.

Activity that lasts from 30 seconds to 2 minutes, begin to rely on lactic acid (again, any activity beyond two minutes becomes aerobic training). These energy systems are effectively developed using an interval training system. It is important note that although one energy system may be predominate for a given activity, all systems are in use to some degree during anaerobic, or interval training.

-http://www.asmi.org/sportsmed/Performance/anaerobic.html

In graph form:
http://predator.pnb.uconn.edu/~wwwpnb/virtualtemp/muscle/exercise-folder/energy.gif
-http://predator.pnb.uconn.edu/~wwwpnb/virtualtemp/muscle/exercise-folder/muscle.html

Yes, I don't have anything better to do right now...

Just saw this on versus, great finish.

I agree that he must have gone 100% with the leadout till he cracked and wondered where his teammate was then saw the gap and went 100% again, his face after he crossed the line was great.... it looked like he was about to fall over from a lack of oxygen.

From Velonews, looks like he lost his earpiece and didn't know he was alone out there:

"Coming into the final 400 meters, British sprinter Cavendish exploded off the front of the field, opening a huge gap. There was just one problem: he thought he was leading out teammate Gerald Ciolek, who was no longer on his wheel.
Cavendish had lost his earpiece and couldn’t hear High Road management yelling. At around 150m, Cavendish sat back in the saddle, obviously expecting his teammate to come flying by. When no one came, Cavendish glanced back, saw what had happened, and made a last-ditch effort to keep the sprint alive himself."

http://beta.velonews.com/article/72438

I agree that he must have gone 100% with the leadout till he cracked and wondered where his teammate was then saw the gap and went 100% again, his face after he crossed the line was great.... it looked like he was about to fall over from a lack of oxygen.

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WTF? Are you serious? Why are you even posting in theis subforum?

Elitist much? :lol: