Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - ss/fg frame with rackmounts like woah

Does anyone know of a fixed gear (single speed, whatever) frame with full rack mounts?
i'm looking to build a grocery bike by spring. gonna be fixed, but i'm going to run a front + rear brake for max stopping with a full load of groceries in front + back. i was initially hoping to find a touring bike, but i can't seem to find anything in my size that isn't junk or made of heavy (if you know of one in ~52, that would be helpful too).

one of these in front:
http://www.amazon.com/Wald-Standard-Basket-Multi-Bicycles/dp/B000AO9LCY/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1203799235&sr=8-2

two of these in back:
http://www.amazon.com/Bicycle-Rear-Grocery-Baskets-Folding/dp/B000BPNK7O/ref=pd_sbs_sg?ie=UTF8&qid=1203799367&sr=8-1

Thanks.

Why not just use an old road frame?

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9476/pclampsdc5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

P clamps.

Iro Rob Roy possibly?

BD frames have rack mounts, as does the IRO Rob Roy. I added a rack to an old cyclocross frame by using the Tubus mounts for eyeletless frames and drilling them out to accommodate a solid axle. They are rock solid.

Raleigh One-Way

looks like i missed the rob roy group buy. they definitely have front/rear rackmounts?

looks like i missed the rob roy group buy. they definitely have front/rear rackmounts?

They have rear mounts. You'd be hard pressed to find a stock SS/FG frame with a fork with eyelets; there are plenty of aftermarket forks though.

Raleigh One-Way

wow, this looks perfect. not a bad price, either. i'll try to find a frameset, but the complete looks like a good place to start if i can't find just frame/fork.

ed: actually, the more i look at it, the more i think i'd keep it pretty much stock. swap the bars for moustache, drop the bashguard, remove the fenders, maybe make a few small upgrades after riding, but that's probably not necessary.

thanks, allenG.

The Redline 925 might fit the bill, as well.

I think you'd be very happy with Il Pompino. (http://www.on-one.co.uk/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=5)

Not very well known around here, undeservedly though, because it's by far the best singlespeed frame among the cited (though I like the Redline 925 a lot).

I think you'd be very happy with Il Pompino. (http://www.on-one.co.uk/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=5)

Not very well known around here, undeservedly though, because it's by far the best singlespeed frame among the cited (though I like the Redline 925 a lot).

One problem with the Il Pompino is that it has incredibly short chainstays; I can't imagine a set up where you wouldn't be kicking your panniers all the time......

It's not that bad, really.

It's not that bad, really.

Do you ride one? As I recall the CS are around 40cm. If you do ride one what rack/pannier setup do you use to avoid heel strike?

I rode a small Pompino. I only remember that it was a fantastic ride. Heel was fine - no hitting anything, but I have to admit the bike didn't have rack or fenders for that matter.

It was a memorable ride. Oh yeah!

For better or worse, On-One only (apparently) makes the newer 120mm rear spaced Pompinos now, so the heel issue should be even less of an, you know, issue?


EDIT: and the reason I didn't order one is that On-One didn't have any Pompino frames for sale for a while, and then I blew my frame-money on a nice Zion EBB 29er. Only now did I notice they are available for order again. Maybe sometimes next year for me.

I rode a small Pompino. I only remember that it was a fantastic ride. Heel was fine - no hitting anything, but I have to admit the bike didn't have rack or fenders for that matter.

It was a memorable ride. Oh yeah!

For better or worse, On-One only (apparently) makes the newer 120mm rear spaced Pompinos now, so the heel issue should be even less of an, you know, issue?


EDIT: and the reason I didn't order one is that On-One didn't have any Pompino frames for sale for a while, and then I blew my frame-money on a nice Zion EBB 29er. Only now did I notice they are available for order again. Maybe sometimes next year for me.

Um, no. Heel strike is the heel of your shoe hitting the panniers on your rack as you peddle. Of course if you didn't have a rack and panniers on the bike you tried you wouldn't have had heel strike.....

EDIT: The rear spacing has nothing to do with heel strike.

True regarding the rear spacing. I only had one instance of heel hitting something when I was hitting the canti brakes on a small Kona Kilauea while wearing those fugly North Face gore-tex shoes. Never after or before.

True regarding the rear spacing. I only had one instance of heel hitting something when I was hitting the canti brakes on a small Kona Kilauea while wearing those fugly North Face gore-tex shoes. Never after or before.

Have you ever used a rack and panniers?

Of course. I am not sure where you are going with these, but really, is there a cyclist in the world that has never used a rack? But for that matter: I even had a rack on the Kilauea, and didn't have problems with my heels hitting any protuberance.

If you're going to be using it as a grocery bike, who cares how heavy it is.

As Ziemas mentioned, you will want something with long chainstays. The problem with most touring bikes for fixed however is not the weight, but the low bottom bracket.

I would suggest an old mid-range schwinn road frame or similar. It may be a few pounds heavier, but the geometry should be just what you need and it will have eyelets front and rear.

If you're going to be using it as a grocery bike, who cares how heavy it is.

me.
the last thing i want when riding home with groceries is an extra five (or more) pounds.

incidentally, why do all of your posts suck?

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quick question:
the ralleigh one-way has 425mm chainstays. is this sufficient to avoid pedal strike? i'll be using this in the back, one on each side:
http://www.amazon.com/Bicycle-Rear-Grocery-Baskets-Folding/dp/B000BPNK7O/ref=pd_sbs_sg?ie=UTF8&qid=1203799367&sr=8-1
most likely with 165mm cranks.

me.
the last thing i want when riding home with groceries is an extra five (or more) pounds.


First of all, you're not going to be saving 5 pounds from even the lightest frames to the heaviest frames. Nothing that you'd be using as a utility bike anyways. Second of all, I think you need to be made aware that weight means absolutely nothing when you have 9000lbs of groceries on your bike anyways.

You going to start winning pro races on your grocery bike?



why do all of your posts suck?

My post reflects on the questions asked. I was going to suggest a frame for you after some research but now you can go **** yourself. Figures that you and the rest of the forum thinks stuff like,

1) skipping and skidding is the best braking method
2) chain tensioners are a good alternative to learning how to secure a rear wheel

Then we got ourselves a new winner out of you.

9000lbs of groceries on your bike anyways.
glad to see you're still making sense.
anyway, thanks for the input, irrelevant as always.

There's also the Kogwell Porteur, which was designed to be used as a speedy hauling machine and even has multiple fork options for what type of load you're moving.
http://www.kogswell.com/products.html

The price is a little above what you're talking about, of course.

Damn!

Bianchi San Jose, FTW.



http://gallery.mac.com/bbattle/100046/P1010070/web.jpg

I've got a Trek rack and their quick-release grocery bag panniers on the back. Also some polycarbonate fenders for the wet streets.

glad to see you're still making sense.
anyway, thanks for the input, irrelevant as always.

Hey, was just following your example of over-exaggeration. Guess you don't like being a hypocrite much. People like you just don't like to hear the truth.

There's also the Kogwell Porteur, which was designed to be used as a speedy hauling machine and even has multiple fork options for what type of load you're moving.
http://www.kogswell.com/products.html

The price is a little above what you're talking about, of course.

that's actually really nice, but you're right, a bit on the pricier side for a util bike. then again, i'll probably be using this around once a week, which might warrant more of an investment...
def. something to consider, thanks.

ed: "$600 which includes frame, a fork, fenders painted to match, headset and seatpost"
really not all that expensive...

Surly Cross Check

those kogswell porteurs look like great bikes. if i move to a bike-friendly city i'll be picking one up for sure.

they really do, nice stuff indeed. the multiple fork option is also pretty great.
however, i just found out my friend can do the one-way for $450. the more i look at it (http://www.raleighusa.com/items.asp?itemid=349), the more i realize it's probably the most sensible choice. and to be honest, it seems to suit my needs quite nicely.

Yeah, that seems reasonable - hard to beat a One Way for $450.
The Kogswell P/Rs also take 650 wheels, which is cool from a performance perspective, but you probably don't have a spare 650 wheelset kicking around in your house that you could fling on it. Still seems like a nce way to get a Rivendell-style practical retro frame at a much more reasonable cost.

they really do, nice stuff indeed. the multiple fork option is also pretty great.
however, i just found out my friend can do the one-way for $450. the more i look at it (http://www.raleighusa.com/items.asp?itemid=349), the more i realize it's probably the most sensible choice. and to be honest, it seems to suit my needs quite nicely.

Does the One Way actually have rack mounts or just fender mounts?

Of course. I am not sure where you are going with these, but really, is there a cyclist in the world that has never used a rack? But for that matter: I even had a rack on the Kilauea, and didn't have problems with my heels hitting any protuberance.

Slap some panniers on that rack and get back to me.....

The PR made by Kogswell is a 650b bike--
I think I've seen some of these fixed and they get
great reviews. But it is a different wheel set so
Spooki would couldn't use wheels he may already have. . .
but it would be a cool bike.

The Surly Cross-Check will give you what you want. Rear rack mounts, you can use P-Clamps up front or mount a Nitto M10 rack and put a Wald basket on there.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2303/2072727692_ba2a49def5.jpg?v=0

Does the One Way actually have rack mounts or just fender mounts?

rack mounts. you can see them if you zoom in (http://www.raleighusa.com/items.asp?itemid=349) (the description also mentions them).

rack mounts. you can see them if you zoom in (http://www.raleighusa.com/items.asp?itemid=349) (the description also mentions them).

For some reason the Raleigh site doesn't work with FireFox on the two computers I tried it on.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/126/348112177_815f84fb29.jpg http://www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/d.f.j.wood/assets/images/kaff2.jpg

These offer the possibility of both fenders and rack:
http://sunnypowers.perso.cegetel.net/pat/ilpompino/dropout_sm.JPG
Not sure why all the hate on the Il Pompino. It's not even that expensive as a frame.

http://www.raleighusa.com/images/items/Road/full/2007/R07-OneWay_Black-f.jpg

ziemas, does that work?


Not sure why all the hate on the Il Pompino. It's not even that expensive as a frame.

because (based on what people are saying), there's not enough chainstay clearance for the panniers baskets.
heel strike on a fixed gear is not something i can afford, especially with a full load of groceries.

My gf has never had any problems with her heels hitting the panniers on her Planet X Kaffenback, which is the same frame as the Il Pompino, just with track ends. It was the small size too. Granted, they were pretty shallow panniers.
Yet I have bit my heels sometimes with my San Jose, so its all about careful placement. You do not need two eyelets for rack and fenders. Just double that ish up and ride.
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6222/sjpinkwheelslh9.jpg

because (based on what people are saying), there's not enough chainstay clearance for the panniers baskets.
heel strike on a fixed gear is not something i can afford, especially with a full load of groceries.

People? Don't worry about what Ziemas is saying, these are his feet:
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2499437/2/istockphoto_2499437_clown_feet.jpg
See what his problem is? He's over-cautious about heel strike.

People? Don't worry about what Ziemas is saying, these are his feet:
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2499437/2/istockphoto_2499437_clown_feet.jpg
See what his problem is? He's over-cautious about heel strike.

WTF? It's a real concern for those of use who actually use racks and panniers, and you take it as a personal attack. :rolleyes:
I'd rather give people practical info rather than stroke my ego.

http://www.raleighusa.com/images/items/Road/full/2007/R07-OneWay_Black-f.jpg

ziemas, does that work?



because (based on what people are saying), there's not enough chainstay clearance for the panniers baskets.
heel strike on a fixed gear is not something i can afford, especially with a full load of groceries.

Jaa, the photo works, but it's too small to see any detail.

Spooki, if I were you I'd just get my hands on an old touring bike and convert it with whatever spare wheel you have lying around. This will be one of the cheapest ways to go, and one of the most effective. It'll have all the brazeons and heel clearance you want, and geometrically it'll be designed to function as a load carrier, with no compromises. If i had mo money i'd go for the kogswell porteur for sure though, those bikes are very cool.

Spooki, if I were you I'd just get my hands on an old touring bike and convert it with whatever spare wheel you have lying around. This will be one of the cheapest ways to go, and one of the most effective. It'll have all the brazeons and heel clearance you want, and geometrically it'll be designed to function as a load carrier, with no compromises. If i had mo money i'd go for the kogswell porteur for sure though, those bikes are very cool.

One potential problem with a touring bike is that they have very low bottom brackets.

FWIW, I haul around a lot of stuff on a daily basis and after looking at the options for a fixed hauler settled on the Rob Roy because of it's chainstay length (42.5cm) and the fact that it can take larger tires with fenders.

FWIW, I haul around a lot of stuff on a daily basis and after looking at the options for a fixed hauler settled on the Rob Roy because of it's chainstay length (42.5cm) and the fact that it can take larger tires with fenders.

kinda sold.
on the one way. it also has 42.5 cm chainstays, takes cross tires, has front and rear rackmounts, and space/mounts for fenders.
and again, at 450 for a complete, i can't really think of a why not.

my only "complaint" is that the rear wheel is free/fixed; i was hoping to put a fixed fixed on, as both my gf and i ride fixed, though she prefers a much more agile ratio (she spins, i mash).
i'll probably replace the rear wheel with a 36 spoke fixed/fixed.

ps, our inseams are the same, and we're both 5'7". pm the best thing in the universe, incidentally.
good for sharing bikes, too.
;)

The kilo tt has rack mounts.

kinda sold.
on the one way. it also has 42.5 cm chainstays, takes cross tires, has front and rear rackmounts, and space/mounts for fenders.
and again, at 450 for a complete, i can't really think of a why not.

my only "complaint" is that the rear wheel is free/fixed; i was hoping to put a fixed fixed on, as both my gf and i ride fixed, though she prefers a much more agile ratio (she spins, i mash).
i'll probably replace the rear wheel with a 36 spoke fixed/fixed.

ps, our inseams are the same, and we're both 5'7". pm the best thing in the universe, incidentally.
good for sharing bikes, too.
;)

Why don't you contact Tony and see if he can accommodate your needs for a free/fixed wheel? He's very customer service oriented.

The kilo tt has rack mounts.

chainstays are too short for panniers.