Touring - Still Looking for a Touring Frame

Hi, me again, I've been looking around at touring bikes and I found an old Miyata 1024 in great condition with decent components. I was wondering if anyone could recommend it.

thanks!

Don't know much about the Miyata except that my wife use to race one back in the 80s and other than it being uncomfortable (her words) that it was a good bike and very fast at the time.

Conicidentally, I'm selling my two month new 58cm Surly Long Haul Trucker touring frame and fork (http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/591449311.html). Had listed it on Craigslist (http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/591449311.html) for $400 (w/no shipping) but have dropped it to $375 (w/shipping to lower 48 US). The Surly 58cm frame should fit anyone with a 32+" inseam.

I'm selling it because on the recommendation from my LBS, which has since changed hands to a new owner, I got the wrong size.

Ahhh, yes. Size is everything.

Dylan, I have read good reviews of the Miyata. If it has the braze-ons you like and need, and if it fits you, it would make a good tourer.

Twodeadpoets: I did the same thing years ago with a Specialized Expedition. My orignal had been stolen and I replaced it with a 56cm (I ride a 54cm). I couldn't stand it. The geometry was off by just enough to make long rides uncomfortable. Bummer about your LHT. Are you going to try to get another one in your size or are you looking at something completely different? Just curious.....

Jerry H

$375 for a used LHT frame when you can buy a brand new one for $400 delivered from Jenson's? I don't think so.

http://jensonusa.com/store/product/FR409E01-Surly+Long+Haul+Trucker+Frameset.aspx



Don't know much about the Miyata except that my wife use to race one back in the 80s and other than it being uncomfortable (her words) that it was a good bike and very fast at the time.

Conicidentally, I'm selling my two month new 58cm Surly Long Haul Trucker touring frame and fork (http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/591449311.html). Had listed it on Craigslist (http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/591449311.html) for $400 (w/no shipping) but have dropped it to $375 (w/shipping to lower 48 US). The Surly 58cm frame should fit anyone with a 32+" inseam.

I'm selling it because on the recommendation from my LBS, which has since changed hands to a new owner, I got the wrong size.

Hi, me again, I've been looking around at touring bikes and I found an old Miyata 1024 in great condition with decent components. I was wondering if anyone could recommend it.

thanks!

Miyata didn't make a '1024' bike...at least up until they pulled out of the US market. The 1024 refers to the grade of steel used for the frame and/or fork. Look at the top tube near the headset and you should find numbers like 1000 (their top touring model) 610 (next level down) or 210 (lowest level with straight gauge steel frame). The model number paint on the frames came off pretty easily, however. A quick measure of the rear chainstay will tell you if the bike is one of the touring models. The measurement from the center of the bottom bracket to the rear wheel should be around 45cm (17.75")

300, 400, 500, 700, 900 series were competition bikes or fitness bikes and not good choices for touring. The last 2 numbers of the model number are the 'speeds' of the bike, i.e. a 912 was had a 6 speed freewheel and the 610 had a 5 speed freewheel. They didn't mess with the 1000. It was always the 1000.

If you are looking for old touring bike frames, the Univega GranTour and VivaTour are equivalent to the Miyatas and, I was told, were made by Miyata.

Edit: Here's (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/japan.html) more information on old touring frames from St. Brown

jharte,
Yes, I definitely plan on getting another LHT in the 56cm. I think it's a great bike and wish the original owners of my LBS hadn't moved on so quickly (otherwise I would have returned it to them).

gfarrow,
If someone wants to buy from a dealer and support that then that's fine by me but I'm not a dealer, I'm just some guy who got a little screwed on a deal and am trying to minimize it as much as I can while not trying to screw anyone else over. And since I'm not a dealer I also don't get cut rate shipping and have to pay a hell of a lot, lowering the price any more would be piratically giving the bike away and for that I might as well sell it for scrap.

That said a my frame builder friend and the new owner of my LBS looked at my frame and said I could easily get $375 (incl shipping) for it as it's in perfect condition. Yes this frame was built up but has less than 25 miles on it. I see it no real different from getting it from a dealer (same condition) but you save $25, help out a fellow biker and board member, and still get a great bike in perfect condition. I'll also be insuring it when shipped via UPS so that's covered. If that not enough then go ahead and support the bulk dealer... "Luke, use the force!"

I think this is a fair price and others have agreed.

Cheers!
tdp

First off nobody screwed you, by your own admission you made a mistake and bought the wrong sized frame. However what you are trying to do is to screw some unsuspecting cyclist into paying full retail for a used Surly frame. I don't believe too many people would knowingly pay 94% of full retail for a used frame, which means you are hoping to screw someone who doesn't know the price of a new Surly LHT frame.

Pleading ignorance doesn't fly either, because you have taken a tremendous amount of heat from people on Surlyville.net for exactly this issue. You made a poor decision with a purchase and now you are trying to rip off some unsuspecting fool.

In case anyone cares, the used frame this guy is trying to flog can be purchased brand new for $400 with free shipping.

http://jensonusa.com/store/product/FR409E01-Surly+Long+Haul+Trucker+Frameset.aspx

Is the warrantee on Surly frames transferrable? If not, a definite no go for buying used at nearly retail price.

And if the seller thinks the $5 for scrap is better, then perhaps not a logical decision...

Miyata didn't make a '1024' bike...at least up until they pulled out of the US market. The 1024 refers to the grade of steel used for the frame and/or fork. Look at the top tube near the headset and you should find numbers like 1000 (their top touring model) 610 (next level down) or 210

This is actually a model 'Two-Ten' Miyata (I've seen the bike)
I believe it must be a later 80's Two-Ten, 18 speed, frame material as noted, 1024)... literally unused, but still a project (would need some upgrades). Definitely a touring bike despite its (allegedly) place on the lower end... but it felt light-ish and looked pretty classy.

Is the warrantee on Surly frames transferrable? If not, a definite no go for buying used at nearly retail price.

And if the seller thinks the $5 for scrap is better, then perhaps not a logical decision...

No. The warranty is not transferable. From the Surly website:

"Surly™ frames and forks are guaranteed to be free from manufacturing defects for three
years from the original date of purchase. If we screwed up something in the manufacturing
process that resulted in the premature failure of the product, we’ll fix or replace it at our
discretion. This warranty is for the original buyer of the product and is not transferable. It
should go without saying that we won’t even consider your warranty problem without a
dated proof-of-purchase."

This is actually a model 'Two-Ten' Miyata (I've seen the bike)
I believe it must be a later 80's Two-Ten, 18 speed, frame material as noted, 1024)... literally unused, but still a project (would need some upgrades). Definitely a touring bike despite its (allegedly) place on the lower end... but it felt light-ish and looked pretty classy.

No allegedness about its place in product line. The 210 was the lowest level touring model that Miyata sold. The frame is straight gauge steel tubing in the older models while the higher level touring bikes, the 1000 and 610, used a frame that was either butted Cr-Mo or splined Cr-Mo, depending on the year of manufacture. I'm not casting aspersions on the bike, just noting where it was in the product line.

Have you seen how many Trek "520"s there are on Ebay that are actually Trek bikes made with 520 steel? Or how many size 26" mountain bikes there are? (.................see, the wheels say 26".....get it?) :D

That said a my frame builder friend and the new owner of my LBS looked at my frame and said I could easily get $375 (incl shipping) for it as it's in perfect condition...

...I think this is a fair price and others have agreed.
What matters is if someone wants it for that price. Personally I wouldn't but you never know, you may find a buyer.

I will put a thumbs up for a Trek 520 as a touring frame. A bit heavy, but it was made for full touring.