Great Lakes - Are they all like this in Wiz-CON-sinn?

I feel like I should go out for a Chicago dog or beef for lunch.

...but then I'll never have a chance to hold on to a Wisconsonite's wheel this season....*sigh*....


Drink some more beer there guys. I need all the help I can get.

I get dropped wherever I go. I'm a CAT-UN racer. Well... depends on how late in the season it is. The other option is we could all break out our cross bikes and tear up a muddy streak through the Sugar River trail. Maybe next year.

personally, i never was a big alanis fan. the fake girl grunge rock thing didnt do it for me. a younger, pre pop music, gwen stefani was more to my liking.

later.

oh... and recursive... were you perchance at the Bike The Barns benefit ride this past summer?

I was not there. I attended rather few organized non-racing (oxymoron?) cycling events last year. One of which is pictured above.

(btw, cheese food product in a can is not a good energy food)

Effin Illinois Bastages.

Wheew.. lucky Hoosier me.

Wheew.. lucky Hoosier me.

Meh....guilt by location. I was born in Indy and spent 75% of my life in Indiana....and yet I am an FIB. Oh well....

keep in mind you're close to the line in one of the Eastern Chicago burbs. You might be guilty by association.

Thinking that I spent most of my awake time in Chicago working (instead of cycling :( ) you might have a point

it wasn't a correction. it was an ironic question, asked in a deadpan manner.

does garrison keeler translate in WI?

No...he doesn't. They only have one station and it plays Hip all day and night.

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And now you've disappointed Bongo by getting Bongo disappointed.

Peel the onion, botto. Peel the onion. (The Onion, btw, a Madison, Wisconsin, founded organization before it jumped the proverbial shark and moved to NYC, thus rendering it useless. ;) )

And why are you referencing Keillor in this thread? Michael Feldman, man. Michael Feldman. Right there on the shores of Lake Monona and everything!

Disappointment, indeed.

I feel like I should go out for a Chicago dog or beef for lunch.

...but then I'll never have a chance to hold on to a Wisconsonite's wheel this season....*sigh*....


Drink some more beer there guys. I need all the help I can get.

Here try some of this,

http://www.leinie.com/big_butt.html

And now you've disappointed Bongo by getting Bongo disappointed.

Peel the onion, botto. Peel the onion. (The Onion, btw, a Madison, Wisconsin, founded organization before it jumped the proverbial shark and moved to NYC, thus rendering it useless. ;) )

And why are you referencing Keillor in this thread? Michael Feldman, man. Michael Feldman. Right there on the shores of Lake Monona and everything!

Disappointment, indeed.

Just because you were on the quiz over a decade ago doesn't mean it rocks. I know we've covered this already, but I much prefer wait, wait over Feldman.

Then again...what do I know...or rather what do you know...

Just because you were on the quiz over a decade ago doesn't mean it rocks. I know we've covered this already, but I much prefer wait, wait over Feldman.

Wait Wait = Chicago.

Let's stick to the topic at hand, okay there Paula Poundstone?

Let's stick to the topic at hand, okay there Paula Poundstone?

What was that again? Something about cheese-laden irony?

Mmm... Leinies. I drank a pitcher of Leinies Red last night with a friend. I grew up with Jacob Leinenkugel's kids and about 5 miles away from the brewery.

If you are from wisconsin you should never touch cheese in a can. Miller is only marginally acceptable. Best to stick with your hometown brewed lager. Even in a town without a real brewery, most towns in Wisconsin have a brew pub. Stick with your german heritage, Wisconsinites. Drink real beer.

And I agree with the comment about our sense of humors being gentler. I dated a chicago native for a while last year and it took me a bit to adjust to her humor. Harsh, man. No one here gets sarcasm here unless you are so blatant with it that it's not fun anymore.

And Wisconsin is awesome. I don't care what anyone else says. They're wrong.

this is the second time in a month that Alanis Morissette has gotten BF love. this truely has been a rough winter, but twice in one month? that aint right.

further, must we explain, again, that nothing mentioned in her song is ironic. there in making the song title the irony of it all.

I take it you are applying the Reality Bites definition of irony. It's true - if something needs to meet that standard to qualify as irony, the term is clearly misunderstood and overused.

it wasn't a correction. it was an ironic question, asked in a deadpan manner.

does garrison keillor translate in WI?

Asking someone if they meant "Tour De France" when they say "Tour Day France" is in no way ironic.

I just did something I probably shouldn't have done and reread the FPP. You know, in the interests of fairness and balance and all that. And I got a question about it...

who is Bob Roll?

oh and... the answer to the original question: You were speaking different languages you and your wisconsinite fellow rider. He was speaking "I know who Lance Armstrong is because Trek bicycles are built in Wisconsin." and you were speaking "I know who Jan Ullrich is because I've spent time watching the TdF (and that's how the pros spell it), and know every rider, what they ride, who they ride for and their favorite candy bar. And thus I enjoy trotting out this information whenever possible so as to define my top dog roll in the pecking order that is bike geekdom."





and thus you get snark :D



(y'know... I'm probably going to regret trotting that one out. Oh well.. .what's done is done.)

*sigh*

who is Bob Roll?
There are many who wish that everyone felt this way.


oh and... the answer to the original question: You were speaking different languages you and your wisconsinite fellow rider. He was speaking "I know who Lance Armstrong is because Trek bicycles are built in Wisconsin." and you were speaking "I know who Jan Ullrich is because I've spent time watching the TdF (and that's how the pros spell it), and know every rider, what they ride, who they ride for and their favorite candy bar. And thus I enjoy trotting out this information whenever possible so as to define my top dog roll in the pecking order that is bike geekdom."


First botto informed us that the other individual was of the female variety.

Second....I would tend to think that someone who knows all about Lance's wins and his "cadence" would probably know who those wins were over and why the cadence issue came up and became an item to be discussed in the first place...

Basically it's like being at the Boston Tea Party and looking at the guy throwing tea overboard next to you and saying, "F King George and his taxes" only have the guy say, "who?...and what are taxes?"

*sigh*

There are many who wish that everyone felt this way.



First botto informed us that the other individual was of the female variety.

Second....I would tend to think that someone who knows all about Lance's wins and his "cadence" would probably know who those wins were over and why the cadence issue came up and became an item to be discussed in the first place...

Basically it's like being at the Boston Tea Party and looking at the guy throwing tea overboard next to you and saying, "F King George and his taxes" only have the guy say, "who?...and what are taxes?"

Ahh! I see now! Except that there are plenty of people I talk to in my position as a bike shop employee who have read sports illustrated, or the wisconsin state journal (or &etc) and who know who Lance is and how he is purported to be better than everyone else at cycling.

Not to mention the spin instructors who come in who have never actually ridden a bicycle.


EDIT: As "ironic" as it would be to participate in the Boston Tea Party while being unaware of the reasons... In all seriousness (as apparently I'm so dour that seriousness is all I'm capable of) you have to admit that it is entirely possible to be a cyclist from ANY state, know who LA is (because of his notoriety and broad public exposure... see: Livestrong) and not know a blessed thing else about the rest of the sport of cycling. Hell... you don't even need to be a cyclist to know even the most basic of info about LA.

Know what is ironic: getting a lesson in what's ironic from someone in Kansas.

I'm in Minnesota.

I'm also female. So let me give you insight to the Female Northerner's mind. I'll put her thoughts in red.




Today, with a pleasant 70°s temps, with some wind, I found myself on a group ride.

As it happens, there was a rider from Wiz-CON-sinn. I'm riding next to said rider, and make a comment about the guy in front of me, who's in his 53x12, riding at +/-33kp/h.

Our exchange went like this:

botto "looks like someone's assumed Jan Ullrich's mantle."

Wiz-CON-sinn: I think when I get home I'm going to tackle painting the...What? Did someone say something? Why is this guy talking to me? "who?"


botto "jan ullrich, german bike racer...
Wisconsinite: What is he talking about jan ullrich for?

i point again to the guy in front, and say "how many rpms do you think he's doing, 42?"

Wiz-CON-sinn: Why would I care what that guy's cadence is? Why is this guy riding so close to me? Still, I should be polite because that's how we are raised in Wisconsin. "that's not how i like to ride, i like high cadence"

botto "yeah, that's what i was getting at"

Wiz-CON-sinn: I'll make some polite small talk with this guy. Maybe he won't stalk me then if he sees that I'm nice. He seems to like bike racing, but I don't know much about it. "I just look at that guy who won the tour DAY france" 7 times in a row. he had a fast cadence."

botto "tour DAY france", is that anything like the tour de france?"

Wiz-CON-sinn: Oh, he's an ******* and corrected my pronounciation. If he didn't get it the first time when I couldn't remember that famous rider's name, I'll emphasize that I don't really know anything about racing and hopefully he'll move on. "it's something that bob roll says" Ooops. I just let on that I either have watched the occasional race or have friends who talk about it. Hope this doesn't open up a whole conversation....

My question to those in the dairy state, or there abouts: is there an embargo against irony in WizCONsinn?

Wisconsinites are you aware that drinking Budweiser products, eating non-Wisconsin cheese products, and using pre-cooked brats will result in your expulsion from the state and be forced to spend the remainder of your days driving a Yugo on the Chicago Interstate Parking Lot.

Recursive I do hope that is at least sharp cheddar.


Throwing Down

One of my favorite moments of the 2007 cycling season was the night before the Dairyland Dare at the cozy Brewery Creek restaurant/brewpub in Mineral Point. Three FIBs and one Cheesehead (dave342) have a nice pre-ride diner. Dave, as earnest a fellow as I've ever met, asks the server for a Bud Light. She gives him a silent scolding stare, then smiles and says that he is in Wisconsin and that she could get him a Miller Lite instead. Ah, irony.

Your Yugo is on the way.

I came over to this subforum to see what might be up in late June as there is a 90% chance that I will have a bike in the Milwaukee, Chicago, and Champaign area in late June.

I have a few comments.

(1) Chicago (and close suburbs) is to the Midwest as Austin is to Texas. I've lived in all of those places. I know.

(2) Irony is not the same as sarcasm, although both are lost on most midwesterners.

While I am no longer a Chicagoan, one of my favorite midwestern expressions that I can no longer use is "He is a nice guy, but ..." That is always followed by a savage description of the individual. Midwesterners believe that they are being polite by saying this first. Hysterical!

Anyway, are there any super cool rides in the Milwaukee/Chicago/Champaign area that I absolutely have to do between June 20 and June 28? A Hipcycler ride? I'll let him suck wheel to get that 20 mph average speed ride in! Psimet2001? He sounds like a midwestern version of Pcad and I'd love to share a beer or 5 after a ride. Cromulent also sounds like a fun guy to ride with. I'm sure that there are others and I hope that no offense is taken if I didn't give an explicit mention. I might be able to arrange to make one or more rides if all goes according to my plan. Family time does take precedent, though. With enough lead time I might be able to get it all scheduled.

I'm in Minnesota.

I'm also female. So let me give you insight to the Female Northerner's mind. I'll put her thoughts in red.




Today, with a pleasant 70°s temps, with some wind, I found myself on a group ride.

As it happens, there was a rider from Wiz-CON-sinn. I'm riding next to said rider, and make a comment about the guy in front of me, who's in his 53x12, riding at +/-33kp/h.

Our exchange went like this:

botto "looks like someone's assumed Jan Ullrich's mantle."

Wiz-CON-sinn: I think when I get home I'm going to tackle painting the...What? Did someone say something? Why is this guy talking to me? "who?"


botto "jan ullrich, german bike racer...
Wisconsinite: What is he talking about jan ullrich for?

i point again to the guy in front, and say "how many rpms do you think he's doing, 42?"

Wiz-CON-sinn: Why would I care what that guy's cadence is? Why is this guy riding so close to me? Still, I should be polite because that's how we are raised in Wisconsin. "that's not how i like to ride, i like high cadence"

botto "yeah, that's what i was getting at"

Wiz-CON-sinn: I'll make some polite small talk with this guy. Maybe he won't stalk me then if he sees that I'm nice. He seems to like bike racing, but I don't know much about it. "I just look at that guy who won the tour DAY france" 7 times in a row. he had a fast cadence."

botto "tour DAY france", is that anything like the tour de france?"

Wiz-CON-sinn: Oh, he's an ******* and corrected my pronounciation. If he didn't get it the first time when I couldn't remember that famous rider's name, I'll emphasize that I don't really know anything about racing and hopefully he'll move on. "it's something that bob roll says" Ooops. I just let on that I either have watched the occasional race or have friends who talk about it. Hope this doesn't open up a whole conversation....

My question to those in the dairy state, or there abouts: is there an embargo against irony in WizCONsinn?

Now that is FUNNY! +100

Ahh! I see now! Except that there are plenty of people I talk to in my position as a bike shop employee who have read sports illustrated, or the wisconsin state journal (or &etc) and who know who Lance is and how he is purported to be better than everyone else at cycling.

Not to mention the spin instructors who come in who have never actually ridden a bicycle.
EDIT: As "ironic" as it would be to participate in the Boston Tea Party while being unaware of the reasons... In all seriousness (as apparently I'm so dour that seriousness is all I'm capable of) you have to admit that it is entirely possible to be a cyclist from ANY state, know who LA is (because of his notoriety and broad public exposure... see: Livestrong) and not know a blessed thing else about the rest of the sport of cycling. Hell... you don't even need to be a cyclist to know even the most basic of info about LA.

Ahhh..but you missed the most important clue in the original post....this rider was riding NEXT to botto...

This implies some saddle time. If you have saddle time, know about Lance, know about his high cadence and know about Bob Roll purposely mispronouncing the name of that tour in July...then why wouldn't you know about der Jan? ;):D

I came over to this subforum to see what might be up in late June as there is a 90% chance that I will have a bike in the Milwaukee, Chicago, and Champaign area in late June.

I have a few comments.

(1) Chicago (and close suburbs) is to the Midwest as Austin is to Texas. I've lived in all of those places. I know.

(2) Irony is not the same as sarcasm, although both are lost on most midwesterners.

While I am no longer a Chicagoan, one of my favorite midwestern expressions that I can no longer use is "He is a nice guy, but ..." That is always followed by a savage description of the individual. Midwesterners believe that they are being polite by saying this first. Hysterical!

Anyway, are there any super cool rides in the Milwaukee/Chicago/Champaign area that I absolutely have to do between June 20 and June 28? A Hipcycler ride? I'll let him suck wheel to get that 20 mph average speed ride in! Psimet2001? He sounds like a midwestern version of Pcad and I'd love to share a beer or 5 after a ride. Cromulent also sounds like a fun guy to ride with. I'm sure that there are others and I hope that no offense is taken if I didn't give an explicit mention. I might be able to arrange to make one or more rides if all goes according to my plan. Family time does take precedent, though. With enough lead time I might be able to get it all scheduled.

Crap...just read your profile and it appears you are an Engineering Professor. Might I ask what dicipline and/or area of focus?

I suppose you hate Purdue Engineers too....:p That's allright the entire rest of the family for 2 generations graduated from UoI as In-gen-ears. FYI when you start shouting the "I-L-L", "I-N-I" thingy we Purdue grads like to take the opportunity to kick them in the....hey now. Wear a cup.

If I'm a midwestern version of PCad I need to get a whole lot faster, richer, and more hateful of myself and the surrounding Freds. Not to mention I need to age a half century overnight. ;):D

Check the BFNIC ride schedule thread (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=291313) for the rides many of us are doing in the area. Mike Bentley has a great ride site. Google Mike Bently IL Ride....I can dig up the link later.

Let us know if you are for sure heading this way. Lots of stuff within driving distance for you.

Crap...just read your profile and it appears you are an Engineering Professor. Might I ask what dicipline and/or area of focus?

Ms and PhD from UIUC in Theoretical and Applied Mechanics. My BS is from IIT. Over the years I have morphed into Aerospace and Mechanical while doing research/teaching. My research is in combustion modeling.


I suppose you hate Purdue Engineers too....:p That's allright the entire rest of the family for 2 generations graduated from UoI as In-gen-ears. FYI when you start shouting the "I-L-L", "I-N-I" thingy we Purdue grads like to take the opportunity to kick them in the....hey now. Wear a cup.

Not really. The only reason why my father was an engineer was because he got into Purdue after WWII. He was late getting discharged because he had spent a long time in China and was way behind all the other GI Bill applicants. Most everyone else was civilian long before he even got on US soil. The only reason why he got in was that he had played semi-pro football before the war and George Halas called the Purdue coach and gave him a good word. My dad quit the team after the first practice (way to use the system, Dad!) and eventually transferred to the Armour Institute (IIT) to be closer to his "heart throb/my future mother" in Chicago.

BTW, my Dad was at the famous Purdue basketball game when the stands collapsed.


If I'm a midwestern version of PCad I need to get a whole lot faster, richer, and more hateful of myself and the surrounding Freds. Not to mention I need to age a half century overnight. ;):D

Check the BFNIC ride schedule thread (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=291313) for the rides many of us are doing in the area. Mike Bentley has a great ride site. Google Mike Bently IL Ride....I can dig up the link later.

Let us know if you are for sure heading this way. Lots of stuff within driving distance for you.

A large part of the Pcad self-loathing is in his hatred of "Freds". ;)

I detect a level of self mortification in you (a still healthy amount!) that reminds me of Pcad (he is from the greater NYC area, so who the f*ck knows what a healthy amount of self-mortification is healthy for them!).

Getting a Chicago area ride in will be difficult as I most likely will be staying in the Beverly area of Chicago with my sister. Too bad that I will be there too early for Superweek.

Since you're staying in the Beverly area you might want to check out the Tuesday night crits in Homewood.
http://www.southchicagowheelmen.com/tuesday.html

Racing until your legs fall off or the sun goes down. Whichever comes first.

This is like Botto showing up to my front door...

Uhh, hey uhh, want a beer?

Since you're staying in the Beverly area you might want to check out the Tuesday night crits in Homewood.
http://www.southchicagowheelmen.com/tuesday.html

Racing until your legs fall off or the sun goes down. Whichever comes first.

That sounds like FUN! The bad thing is that my sister that lives in Beverly works at Argonne so the odds are that I will be visiting her on the weekend and not over a Tuesday night.

Still it is only about 110 miles from Champaign (where my father lives) so it is not completely out of the question. Is it possible to take a bike on Amtrak from Champaign and make the crit? I'm thinking that I would get to Homewood too late and not be able to catch a train back to Champaign that night if I remember my train schedules.

If I happen to be in Milwaukee then I am SOL.

lol the comment about psi being like pcad makes my chuckle.

This is like Botto showing up to my front door...

Uhh, hey uhh, want a beer?

If this is directed to me then I am flattered.

BTW, I only capitalize the "B" if it is the first word in a sentence. Otherwise I use "botto".

And, "Yes, I would love a beer." :)

That sounds like FUN! The bad thing is that my sister that lives in Beverly works at Argonne so the odds are that I will be visiting her on the weekend and not over a Tuesday night.

Still it is only about 110 miles from Champaign (where my father lives) so it is not completely out of the question. Is it possible to take a bike on Amtrak from Champaign and make the crit? I'm thinking that I would get to Homewood too late and not be able to catch a train back to Champaign that night if I remember my train schedules.

If I happen to be in Milwaukee then I am SOL.

Your sister works at Argonne? That place is huge! Last time I played chess against Argonne at their home turf I almost got lost in that place. At least at Fermi it's all open and no trees, you can see the main building from far away.

If this is directed to me then I am flattered.

BTW, I only capitalize the "B" if it is the first word in a sentence. Otherwise I use "botto".

And, "Yes, I would love a beer." :)

Why not.

Your sister works at Argonne? That place is huge! Last time I played chess against Argonne at their home turf I almost got lost in that place. At least at Fermi it's all open and no trees, you can see the main building from far away.

If you need to decommission a reactor or bury "hot" waste let me know. I can hook you up.:)

That sounds like FUN! The bad thing is that my sister that lives in Beverly works at Argonne so the odds are that I will be visiting her on the weekend and not over a Tuesday night.

Still it is only about 110 miles from Champaign (where my father lives) so it is not completely out of the question. Is it possible to take a bike on Amtrak from Champaign and make the crit? I'm thinking that I would get to Homewood too late and not be able to catch a train back to Champaign that night if I remember my train schedules.

If I happen to be in Milwaukee then I am SOL.
In more ways than one, but then that would bring us back on topic....

























;)

In more ways than one, but then that would bring us back on topic....


;)

Ha! I see your cheap shot and raise you a pint of decent beer! :D

If I happen to be in Milwaukee then I am SOL.

If you get as chance, stop by Waterford. During the week you can go for a factory tour.

Ha! I see your cheap shot and raise you a pint of decent beer! :D

You're making the assumption that Psimet knows what a pint of decent beer looks and tastes like.


By the by, note the massive Bud Light logo on dave342's jersey as he and Psimet change a tire in East Troy* last year. C'mon, Dave. Where's your team's sense of parochial pride? Also, note the friendly fellow walking across the street. SAG on rides in dairyland are very considerate. No irony there.

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5739/dscn6922io4.jpg


*blatant Wisconsin town reference to up a FIB's Badger State riding credentials.

You're making the assumption that Psimet knows what a pint of decent beer looks and tastes like.


By the by, note the massive Bud Light logo on dave342's jersey as he and Psimet change a tire in East Troy* last year. C'mon, Dave. Where's your team's sense of parochial pride? Also, note the friendly fellow walking across the street. SAG on rides in dairyland are very considerate. No irony there.

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5739/dscn6922io4.jpg


*blatant Wisconsin town reference to up a FIB's Badger State riding credentials.


You forgot I did spend some time in the UK last fall...;)

You forgot I did spend some time in the UK last fall...;)

Thank you for making my point.



;)

Thank you for making my point.



;)

Hand pumped cask ales.....not exactly poo poo on the tongue. :D

Hand pumped cask ales.....not exactly poo poo on the tongue. :D

Probably also served at the proper temperature.

. . . and their bratwursts are legendary!
BTW it's pronounced WisCOWsin!
Being a Euro, am used to have 'mericans mispronounce/butcher the French (or any other) language!
They even butcher their 'merican . . . have you talked with anyone from Brooklyn, Ten'see or 'bama or Min'sota? Yeah, sure, you betcha eh, we all speak 'merican (in some fashion or other)!

I am going to have to go with you have no idea what you are talking about.

Pronounciations vary within Wisconsin's borders as well.

Two Rivers = "Trivers"
Berlin = "Ber'-lin"
Shawano = "Shaw'-no"
Chippewa Falls = "Chip'-wa Falls"

I'm sure it just like that around the world.

:)