Advocacy & Safety - what is the world coming to ?

today as i was dropping my little sister to school (i had a inservise(sp?) day she didnt, i was on my bike and she wasnt on hers) i noticed some bike frames on the grass beside the road but took no real notice of them and carried on riding but on the way back i had a closer look at them and saw that 1 of them was completely burnt and unusable one of them was ok except the top tube was quite badley cracked but the last 1 i looked at was a perfect condition mongoose bmx frame with a 3 pc crank and quite nice looking pedels! i couldnt see what type mongoose bmx it was because the name had been scratched off(only the mongoose sighn and alot of the paint still on it) i thought about taking it home as it would make a fairley decent frame once fixed up slightly but decided against it as i already new that it must have been stolen.so i carried on going home. but when i got home i thought about it more and thought that some pore(sp?) kid or guy has had this bike nicked and it had to be at least £200 - £300 worth of bike! my bike is my life and i know how i would feel if it got nicked i wouldbe devistated!
it just shows that the world is getting more and more relaxed on crime, back about 20 years ago you could go out the house and not worry about locking the door and no 1 came in but now you cant look away from your bike for 10 minuites without it being stolen and personally i think that the law should be so mutch harsher on criminals as it would generally stop people from stealing if the punishment was harsher.
i dont know how every 1 else will feel about this but i fell very strongley that thieves should be delt with properly

I don't know that the world is getting more relaxed on crime than it was previously. I just think that moral standards generally are declining (sad, but true). You don't even need to look at criminal behaviour specifically, just the way people treat each other in day to day life. The attitude of "I'm alright Jack, so screw you" is much more common than it was a few years ago.

It doesn't take Einstein to figure out the logical next step. However, I agree that bike thieves should be dealt with more harshly, having had a bike stolen a few months back. The hard part is catching them.

Oh, I dunno... I just got finished watching a documentary on Sierra Leone, and they were interveiwing children who are recruited by the army to terrorize the people, and that little boy was laughing about how he cuts off people's arms and hands and catches pregnant girls to split their bellies open to see if he won the bet with the other soldiers to see if it was a boy or a girl.... all for the sake of diamond mines. :-/

Hopefully, that is not what the world is coming to. :(

Koffee

wen a little boy is saying that thats wen u no something is definatly wrong. seriously can anyone answer what the world really is coming to??

today as i was dropping my little sister to school (i had a inservise(sp?) day she didnt, i was on my bike and she wasnt on hers) i noticed some bike frames on the grass beside the road but took no real notice of them and carried on riding but on the way back i had a closer look at them and saw that 1 of them was completely burnt and unusable one of them was ok except the top tube was quite badley cracked but the last 1 i looked at was a perfect condition mongoose bmx frame with a 3 pc crank and quite nice looking pedels! i couldnt see what type mongoose bmx it was because the name had been scratched off(only the mongoose sighn and alot of the paint still on it) i thought about taking it home as it would make a fairley decent frame once fixed up slightly but decided against it as i already new that it must have been stolen.so i carried on going home. but when i got home i thought about it more and thought that some pore(sp?) kid or guy has had this bike nicked and it had to be at least £200 - £300 worth of bike! my bike is my life and i know how i would feel if it got nicked i wouldbe devistated!
it just shows that the world is getting more and more relaxed on crime, back about 20 years ago you could go out the house and not worry about locking the door and no 1 came in but now you cant look away from your bike for 10 minuites without it being stolen and personally i think that the law should be so mutch harsher on criminals as it would generally stop people from stealing if the punishment was harsher.
i dont know how every 1 else will feel about this but i fell very strongley that thieves should be delt with properly


Yo dude! Ever hear about periods at the end of your sentences? Thats one big powerful thought to hold in your head all at one time! :D

I like the idea of harsh penalties, but I am not willing to support a radically more punitive justice system unless and until there is a vast improvement in the Legal Representation allowed to the average (let alone low income) citizen.

roughstuff

i agree with koffee, i think the moral attitudes of humanity are much the same as they always have been: bad. pogroms, wars, ****, torture - theft. there is no region i can think of (even antarctica haha) with a history even remotely free of these things.

however, i also think our privileged situations have led us to expect better. and i think the increased power that comes with our technology demands more responsibility. i'm not counting on it tho.

yea there bad..but not as bad a sww2..thatm was disgraceful. over 6 million jews were killed becuz hitler didnt like them. i mean seriously!!!

wen a little boy is saying that thats wen u no something is definatly wrong. seriously can anyone answer what the world really is coming to??

dunno, but literacy is certainly up the sh*t.

dunno, but literacy is certainly up the sh*t.

C'mon, Allister, lighten up. Ever read James Joyce? :D

dunno, but literacy is certainly up the sh*t.

It is a challenge to read some posts here but we have to consider that English is not the only language on the planet now don't we?

That said I think you might want to be a bit less critical.

It is a challenge to read some posts here but we have to consider that English is not the only language on the planet now don't we?

That said I think you might want to be a bit less critical.

If the posts came from Tashkent or Buenos Aires, I'd cut a lot of slack. But from Bristol and Aukland? I think Allister makes a good point, cantankerous as he may be.

It is a challenge to read some posts here but we have to consider that English is not the only language on the planet now don't we?

That said I think you might want to be a bit less critical.

Think what you like.

I have no problems with imperfect English, spelling errors, typos, gramatical errors etc. I'm far from perfect on that count myself, but this guy's unintelligible. In a forum where the written word is the ONLY way of communicating, it's fairly important to be able to clearly state your ideas.

And no English isn't the only langauge on the planet, but it is the only one used on these forums.

C'mon, Allister, lighten up. Ever read James Joyce? :D

No. Nor do I intend to.

No. Nor do I intend to.

Your loss. He was a great Irish writer, though, a little long winded.. you could say.

Sorry to try to interject some humour. I see you lack it.

Your loss. He was a great Irish writer, though, a little long winded.. you could say.

Sorry to try to interject some humour. I see you lack it.

That probably came over a bit harsher than I intended. I saw the humour in your post, and I guess I could have reponded in kind, but I was a bit peeved at people taking me to task over a flippant remark about a particular post to the extent of seeming to defend his 'right' to post unintelligible gibberish.

As for Joyce; he seems to be one of those authors that is read more so that you can say 'I've read Joyce' more than for any enlightenment gained from the content of his books themselves. I could be wrong of course, but there's plenty of books I actually want to read before I'll consider reading Joyce, and frankly, I'm not that interested in finding out.

I did at one time feel that a classic becomes a classic for a reason, and should be worthwhile reading. I felt that way right up until I read Moby Dick - as tedious a piece of literature as you're ever likely to find.

As for Joyce; he seems to be one of those authors that is read more so that you can say 'I've read Joyce' more than for any enlightenment gained from the content of his books themselves.

I'd say that about Kafka, perhaps Knowles (with his "Seperate peace book that sucked so bad it had a negative plot) but not Joyce. He provides some very good developement about the characters mind.



I felt that way right up until I read Moby Dick - as tedious a piece of literature as you're ever likely to find.

Nope, try Nietchze... I'm still trying to read.. after years. I get about a century worth of pages in.. and get frustrated...

dunno, but literacy is certainly up the sh*t.
:eek: Thats a bit mean to say to a 14 year old girl. If you read anything writen by any 14 year old theres bound to be some slang. Hey i have all most put at least 3 or 4 bit of slang in this message.
Marie

:eek: Thats a bit mean to say to a 14 year old girl. If you read anything writen by any 14 year old theres bound to be some slang. Hey i have all most put at least 3 or 4 bit of slang in this message.
Marie

I rest my case.

Now, what was the original topic of this thread? I do apologise for inadvertantly diverting everyone's attention away from it.

hit_da_ramps: You had me on a bit of edge there for a minute. I was waiting for you to say that you went back and spotted some human remains under the wreckage. Regretably, the loss of good bicycles is very much a tragedy as well.

Allister,

a classic becomes a classic because it isn't worth reading. If a book IS a worthy read then it is called "good" not classic :-)

wel mayb alluster shud jst gt usd 2 dis slang cuz in da new wrld, da tnage wrld evry1 usez slang + evry1 undastnds it. unles ur a intalectual hu loks dwn at evry1 and duznt mve wif da timez

and i do have proper english. in fact my vocabulary is much higher than u may think and thats probably y im in one of the higher classes at my skool. dont b so judgemental next time.

wel mayb alluster shud jst gt usd 2 dis slang cuz in da new wrld, da tnage wrld evry1 usez slang + evry1 undastnds it. unles ur a intalectual hu loks dwn at evry1 and duznt mve wif da timez



and i do have proper english. in fact my vocabulary is much higher than u may think and thats probably y im in one of the higher classes at my skool. dont b so judgemental next time.

With respect, Haze, the post I have quoted at the top of this reply is rather annoying to read. That sort of thing is the reason why people get annoyed and might come across as judgemental. Perhaps putting a little more thought into the wording of those posts and demonstrating that vocabulary might generate more polite replies.

ok im sorry if i p*ssed any one off but i really do not mean to. i gess i just get a little bit annoyed when my english is critisized because i accidently type some of it in abbreviation/slang. Allister-im sorry i went a bit off my rocket but im saying as nicely as possible that i would prefer not to be judged by accidently typing a little bit of slng. and that is how i feel. im going to b happy now :)
and i promise no more slang :D

oh golly..'bit of slng.'..im sorry..typo error...slang

/Rant
I don't mean to keep stringing along a tangent, but it is sad to see how butchered the English language is becoming. Before the flames start, I can understand posting in broken English if the writer does not use English as their primary language. I respect the thoughts and ideas of people from all over the world and understand the difficulty in posting in another language.
I'm bothered that it is becoming the norm to write thoughts with as few as letters as possible. Perhaps there is a keyboard shortage that I am unaware of so people are afraid to wear out the keys.
With the permeation of the computer in society, the ability to express ideas through clear words is a must. It seems that AOL-speak is becoming more rampant. Maybe the forums need a spell check built in?
;)

/Rant

With the permeation of the computer in society, the ability to express ideas through clear words is a must. It seems that AOL-speak is becoming more rampant. Maybe the forums need a spell check built in?

A spell checker would not be perfect either. Australian English spells some words differently to American English and so on. I think AOL-speak arises just out of laziness, and an in-built spell-checker would do little to solve that particular problem.

As far as "slang" goes, I don't think anybody was trying to prohibit slang. I use it quite a bit myself, along with other words I "invent" from time to time (do a search on the forums for "spanky" and you'll see what I mean). The problem is when people take it too far, or simply get too lazy, and the post becomes virtually unreadable.

Maybe the language will improve with a little less irritation ...

Jacob

i must agree though english is pretty butchered...i mean although i use slang i think its mainly just to type faster but it sort of carries on into the real world and people will get annoyed at it. i get annoyed at myself because i dont realise i do it but yeah...

Haylee..... is there anyone in Auckland or on the WWW that you HAVE NOT p***** off? you always talk before you think. Just chill and slow down.

Brendon

Today, as I was dropping my little sister off to school (I had a in-service day she didnt... I was on my bike and she wasn't on hers), I spotted some bike frames lying on the grass beside the road but took no real notice of them and carried on riding.

On the way back I had a closer look at them and saw that one of them was completely burnt and un-usable, one of them was okay (except the top tube was quite badly cracked), and the last one I looked at was in perfect condition (It was a Mongoose BMX frame with a 3 pc. crank and quite nice looking pedals!). I couldn't see what model it was because the name had been scratched off (it only had the Mongoose logo and paint still on it). I thought about taking it home, as it would have made a fairly decent frame once it had been fixed up slightly, but decided against it as I already knew it must have been stolen. So I carried on going home.

When I got home I thought about it more and realised that some poor girl/guy had this bike nicked [Editors note: That's "stolen" for those of us in the USA and perhaps elsewhere.] (it had to be at least £200 - £300 worth of bike!). My bike is my life and I know how I'd feel if it got nicked... I'd be devestated!

It just shows that the world is getting more and more relaxed on crime. Back 20 years ago you could go out of the house and not worry about locking the door but now you can't look away from your bike for 10 minutes without it being stolen.

Personally, I think the law should be much harsher on criminals as it would (hopefully) stop people from stealing.

I dont know how everyone else feels about this but I feel very strongly that thieves should be dealt with properly.


Perhaps now the debate can rest. I did my best to edit the original post and "fix" what needed to be fixed (keeping in mind that it was originally
written in the Kings English. I'm far from an English major so it still might need some work). I hope the original author (hit_da_ramps) is not offended by my edits. If you are I offer my apologies ahead of time.

I think the golden rule applies here: "Do to others what you'd want done to you", i.e.: I don't want to be harshly criticized so I won't harshly criticize you, or steal your bike, or step on your little sister, or eat your lunch...

If that doesn't work get a kryptonite bike lock. ;)