On the Motion Based forum there has been some talk on how to recover from the lockups but I have not had mine lock up so I am no help. This thread is where the talk/venting is taking place:

http://forums.motionbased.com/smf/index.php?topic=8084.from1210396408#new

However from that point on there was zero gradient % or total ascent info available.

Did you restart the timer after the lock up? The one thing the lock up did on mine was stop the timer. If the timer is not running, you do not get gradient information.

However from that point on there was zero gradient % or total ascent info available.

Did you restart the timer after the lock up? The one thing the lock up did on mine was stop the timer. If the timer is not running, you do not get gradient information.


Yes, and even though the data screen showed no change in gradient or total ascent, the info was still recorded within the 705. Or at least it showed it was recorded when downloaded into "Ascent". Screen total ascent stopped at 781. But "Ascent" had the total at 2430, which was consistent with previous totals.

I was still not getting data on the screen yesterday. Did a reset of mode and lap/reset and all is well again.

From reading through the various threads I get the feeling the consensus here is to wait on purchasing the 705 to see if these bugs get worked out. How many of you guys would purchased 705 again? Do the positives out weigh the negatives overall?

From reading through the various threads I get the feeling the consensus here is to wait on purchasing the 705 to see if these bugs get worked out. How many of you guys would purchased 705 again? Do the positives out weigh the negatives overall?

I would definitly purchase one again! However I have also not had any usability issues with mine that many folks have.

I use the course feature about 75% of the time. I have used the routing feature limited on the bike but a lot when driving because of the issues but look forward to when it gets fixed. I have used the map a few times to explore some new areas and that has been nice, I was not worried that I would have to backtrack to get home.

Overall I love it however I can understand the frustration many people are having as they wanted the first release to work 100% and it does not. Like the 305, it will get there but it may take 6 months. Personally I like this period as we the users get to give Garmin a lot of feeback on how to tweak the unit. If it came out at 100% there would be no reason for Garmkin to supply updates and take feedback from the end user.

From reading through the various threads I get the feeling the consensus here is to wait on purchasing the 705 to see if these bugs get worked out. How many of you guys would purchased 705 again? Do the positives out weigh the negatives overall?

I am using the 605 and may be experiencing fewer bugs due to the unit being a simpler design and lacking some features. The screen freezes while on the map screen have been the only problem I have encountered. I have not had a "freeze" since setting turning off extra data fields so that only the map shows however due to the nature of the bug, I am not positive that I have just not had the right conditions for a crash to occur. The crashes can apparently be prevented by hitting the joystick periodically until the cursor shows up and then hitting the mode button to remove the cursor. Not terribly convenient, but it makes me think that having frequent turns while using routing could cause the display to "reset" in a similar way. I did notice that the crashes occured for me only after I had hit a long stretch of road without a turn or any waypoint notifications.

I am still happy with my purchase and this is why:
My primary reason for buying the 605 was so that I could pre-enter routes and get turn prompts for longer supported rides that I have planned in locations that I am not familiar with. While routes with exact tracks of a ride do not seem to work with the 605 and 705, a route made up of just enough waypoints to make the Garmin choose the correct roads work.

I would like the map screen to work properly but even when it does, I know I will spend more time looking at the electronic "route slip" most of the time anyway. Since I know how to avoid the only bug I have experienced and I am getting the functionality that I expected out of the device I'll wait patiently for the next update while avoiding the map screen for extended periods of time.

Thanks for the reply's guys. Here is my situation. I live in a new area and don't know the back roads yet. Are there any bugs that would keep me from simply routing to a known town say 50 miles away and following the route that the 605/705 chose for me?

I was keeping up with this thread for quite a while, then took a vacation. Now I have a 705 in my hot little hands, and realize I've missed lots of discussion!

Just two issues that I notice right now:
It is glacially slow to route! I choose a POI that's 2.5 miles from my current location, and it takes about a full minute to complete the route? Wow. I'm quite spoiled with the automotive units, I guess. Still, I don't see why the clock speed would have to be THAT slow on these. Battery saving?

The other issue is in just pairing the unit with the sensors. What's up with that? The little icons stop blinking when it is paired, right? I've told the unit that I have the cadence and HR sensors, I then tell it to scan again. The icons just blink and blink. What am I missing?

I have the 50% battery thing going on, but am not worried about that because of the simple fix...

Well, lookee here. The HR strap actually has to be sending a signal for the device to show it as "paired" apparently. Nothing about that in the manual. Once I stuck the strap on (with a bit of water), the icon stopped flashing, and I got an actual reading. I'm sure the same thing will happen with the cadence unit once I start spinning the magnet by it.

Sorry guys -

I hadn't intended for this to be "Darell Day" on this thread. And I don't usually talk to myself.. however...

I finally caught up on the whole thread, and now that I have my HR monitor working, I though I'd ask my other stuff:

1. I see Topo US 2008 offered on DVD for about $70-$80. It is the ENTIRE US. Then I see pre-filled microSD cards with little bits of the Topo US on it, for about the same price as the whole CD. Is this price difference just because they charge an insane amount for the SD and the labor to "install" it for you? I'm good to go if I just buy the DVD and either put the parts I want onto the 705's internal memory, or onto my own SD card right? (when I download from mapsource, does it ask where I want to put the data, or does it always go on the card if present?)

2. What's my safest way to "back up" my microSD with CityNav that came with the unit? Scares me that there's no way to protect the data on these little buggers! (I do have Mapsource from other Garmin products)

3. There's no such thing as routing on the Topo maps is there? Like choose a destination and have it follow the trails shown? I won't believe you if you say yes... so don't say it! :)

4. Does the Topo US 2008 map show major trails like fire roads, etc? Garmin doesn't seem to have a preview for this product.

5. Is there an odometer on the 705 that never gets reset?

... and I'm sure once I go on my first ride with the thing tomorrow that I'll have about 1.6 million more questions. But that'll do for tonight. Thanks tons for all the folks on here patiently answers these questions! Wouldn't it be great if Garmin had a forum like this with somebody uber-knoledgeable on this device in attendance?

Darell, Here's my shot at your questions

1.) The best solution is to get the DVD and load your own 2GB SD card, SD cards are like $11 shipped to your door. so for $80-$90 you get the same thing and you have the DVD as backup should the unit loose the data. The SD cards pre-loaded is BS, Garmin should be ashamed to even offer that without a $0.50 DVD as a backup.

2.) The easiest way is just simply copy the entire SD contents to your computer, then zip it up and burn to a CD (or DVD) I've done it, it's easy. when you plug in via USB it mounts both the unit and SD card to drive letters... you can access the files for backup right there. I also back up my 705 Unit as well.

3.) & 4.) I don't have much experience with the topo's so not sure on these two

5.) Yes it now has an Odometer.

I experienced my first lockup with the 705 today. I was in map view and pulled up to a stop light for about 30 seconds, proceeded strait, about 1/2 a mile down the road I look and it still has me marked as back at the light. none of the buttons worked except holding the power button. I restared and hit "start/stop" again and It picked up right where I left off.

Yes, through Garmin's MapSource you can combine both map sets into one gmapsupp.img file, but you will not be able to use the Find "Addresses" or "Intersections" features. Combining the two map sets appears to disable these features no matter which map set you select. I was able to work around this by loading the city navigator maps onto the SD card and the topo maps into the 705. I only need a few topo maps (20MB) so it is not a big issue for me.

I submitted the 'Find Addresses' issue to Garmin support. They were able to reproduce the problem and aknowledged it as a bug that will be fixed in a future update. Hopefully the next one.

On the 705, how do I get the Map display to also show my speed and distance in little boxes up at the top of the screen????

On the 705, how do I get the Map display to also show my speed and distance in little boxes up at the top of the screen????

Use the Datafields setting in the menu/settings. just how you can configure the fields on the bike views.

Tried to follow my first route this weekend. I went to mapmyride.com and entered the route for a century I was riding. I knew ahead of time that I was going to go off route and chop off about 25miles. Here is what I experienced:

1) Even while on route, it was CONSTANTLY beeping and telling me to do u-turns and turn off course? It was ok on some roads, but others it was about to drive me crazy enough to stop routing. Is this because mapmyride doesn't put enough data points on the route? its almost like it would try to route you to the closes point on the course even if it was one you just passed?

2) When I was off route it would draw on the map the route it wanted me to take, so I lost the visual route that I was following. In other wards if it is navigating me back on route it would be nice if that was a different color so I could still see the actuall gpx route I loaded.

3) it locked up several times, but I was able to just turn it back on. of course I forgot to hit start again so I had no history.

4) In general the follow a route needs huge improvements! It needs to be smarter about routing you in the order of the points and keeping you on the route! If you get off route it should route you to the nearest point ahead of where you went off course, so if you leave the course at mile 60 and mile 5 happens to be the closest it should still direct you to the closest point after mile 60.


Anyways I'm still experimenting and the unit looks to hold good promise with some tweaking.

2) When I was off route it would draw on the map the route it wanted me to take, so I lost the visual route that I was following. In other wards if it is navigating me back on route it would be nice if that was a different color so I could still see the actuall gpx route I loaded.


Instead of using a route that using the auto routing feature you can download your planned rides as courses. These will prompt you when you get off course but will not change the whole planned ride when you do go off course or try and get you back on course. You can still put in turn prompts but that is up to you.

Darell, Here's my shot at your questions

1.) The best solution is to get the DVD and load your own 2GB SD card
I figured, and yeah - memory is amazingly cheap these days!

2.) The easiest way is just simply copy the entire SD contents to your computer
Ah, I thought there was some special way of doing this. This I can handle! :)

5.) Yes it now has an Odometer.
Where is it hiding? Doesn't seem to be one of the data fields...

And today's bonus question: I can set the unit up for two bikes... but how do I tell it that I'm on the second bike?

Got it... thanks.
What distance scale do you usually set the map for?

Where is it hiding? Doesn't seem to be one of the data fields...

And today's bonus question: I can set the unit up for two bikes... but how do I tell it that I'm on the second bike?

You are correct, it is not a data field. On the screen where you set up the bike profiles for each bike you will see the odometer.

To change bike profiles press and hold the Mode button, a pop screen will appear for you to select the bike you are using.

You are correct, it is not a data field. On the screen where you set up the bike profiles for each bike you will see the odometer.
Excellent! And I can even pre-set the odo to match the miles on the bike. Very good!

To change bike profiles press and hold the Mode button, a pop screen will appear for you to select the bike you are using.
We have another winner. I missed this even after a few passes through the manual.

I'm almost out of excuses to ride now... Thanks tons.

Hmmm. Where exactly is odometer? Under settings I see bike computer 1 and bike computer 2 but that just sets the number of data fields...
I see in history where I can find daily, weekly, monthly and total? Is that what you mean?

Hmmm. Where exactly is odometer? Under settings I see bike computer 1 and bike computer 2 but that just sets the number of data fields...
I see in history where I can find daily, weekly, monthly and total? Is that what you mean?

Menu - settings - Profiles and Zones - bikes

1. When the unit is powered off and turned back on the backlighting level resets to 0%.

This was already covered, but I wanted to weigh in. I thing this is a GREAT feature. It isn't obvious, but when you set that level, it IS retained. But with a power cycle, the default is zero. Quickly press the power button, and you can cycle through zero - your custom setting - 100%. Next time you shut it off, it goes back to zero, but that custom setting is still at your fingertips whenever you want it.

Yes, through Garmin's MapSource you can combine both map sets into one gmapsupp.img file, but you will not be able to use the Find "Addresses" or "Intersections" features. Combining the two map sets appears to disable these features no matter which map set you select. I was able to work around this by loading the city navigator maps onto the SD card and the topo maps into the 705. I only need a few topo maps (20MB) so it is not a big issue for me.
Great work-around suggestion! Is there no way to just plunk the two gmapsupp.img files into different folders on the same card? I guess Mapsource won't allow it.

For those that have purchased any maps on an SD card don't try and add to those maps on the SD card. You will loose them. If you want to add more maps be sure to place them on the Edge itself.

Just an FYI.
Can't safely bring the maps off the card into Mapsource, combine them with, say Topo, and then reload them on the card?

I just ran webupdater on my 705 and noticed that there was an update available, 2.20. Here's what it says it fixes:

-Added more power meter support.
-Added ANT sensor detected messages.
-Added Max Power, Last Lap Max Power, and Kilojoules fields.
-Fix problem with locking up on the map page.
-Added progress bar for reading new Saved Ride data on powerup.
-Adjustments to reduce speed spikes.
-Increased internal route point memory to handle longer tracks.
-Corrected ANT-to-ANT transfer page display in night mode.
-Fixed issue with backlight brightness adjustment.
-Fixed lap averages not being cleared correctly, when user stops the timer, laps, and starts the timer again.
-Fixed issue with power wattage not updating.
-Added power calibration success/fail messages.
-Battery display should no longer show less than 100% when charging is complete.
-Added SiRF InstantFix support to increase speed of initial GPS fix.
-Fixed issue where pressing buttons would affect altitude.
-Implemented feature request to be able to delete all waypoints from the device.
-Added a 'Cities' item to the find menu.
-Fixed issue where searching for an address lists specific street (Avenue, Circle etc.) instead of generic street name.
-The Follow History list is now filtered to only show rides that contain position data.
-Fixed issue where some combinations of maps would not work together.

I am still between a 305 and a 705. I have had a 305 in the past and really liked it. I am really interested to see if that update posted above will help with some of the 705's issues.

I've never experienced the lockups since I haven't used it for navigation, yet. Hopefully this means I won't encounter it now.

BTW - I live in Broadview Hts. if you want to meet up and check out the 705 in person.

Steve

BTW - I live in Broadview Hts. if you want to meet up and check out the 705 in person.

Steve

Thanks Steve. I may need to take you up on that. I normally impulse buy but for some reason I am just a little hesitant. It's a lot of money but the geek in me just keeps going back to look at it :geek:

Just PM me if you want to meet up, I'm always happy to meet new people with common interests (cycling & gadgets)!!

How'd you run Web updater? Through what site?

You have to download a program (Webupdater) then run it from your PC. Here's a link to all you should need to know ==> http://www8.garmin.com/products/webupdater/howtoinstall.jsp

Installed the update. Was going to wait until after my double century ride but just couldn't resist. Will post back with results. 200 miles should be a pretty good test.

I did the update and all seems good. With the impressive list of fixes and new features I would recommend getting the update sooner then later. The best new feature is the SurfII insta-fix... it definitly finds my location faster.

The only Issue that remains open for me is that there is no battery charging indicator, it's all a guessing game... I'll put in a request to Garmin for that.

Does anyone know if using a Motorola cell phone car adapter is same to power the Garmin 705? it's the same USB connection but I'm concern about power.

Also, does anyone know if there exists a suction cup adapter so that I can have the edge 705 sercurly placed in the car?

Does anyone know if using a Motorola cell phone car adapter is same to power the Garmin 705? it's the same USB connection but I'm concern about power.

Unfortunatly all mini USB connections are not the same. I had a Motorola that would not work with my 305.

Also, does anyone know if there exists a suction cup adapter so that I can have the edge 705 sercurly placed in the car?

I want one too but have not found it yet. I have been tempted to zip tie a bar mount to an existing suction cup mount that I have.

The best new feature is the SurfII insta-fix... it definitly finds my location faster.

I have also been very impressed with the acquisition. My understanding is that if you go several days or longer without turning on the Edge it may still take the normal amount of time to get its fix.

The only Issue that remains open for me is that there is no battery charging indicator, it's all a guessing game... I'll put in a request to Garmin for that.

When is it that you don't get the charge indicator, is it when you are plugged into your computer? If this is the case you can get the battery charging indicator to show up. If you are on a PC, in your tool bar tray is the eject USB devices icon. You can click on this to eject the Edge from your computer. When you do this the Edge should change the on screen display to the charging indicator.

Can't safely bring the maps off the card into Mapsource, combine them with, say Topo, and then reload them on the card?

Nope. That part of how Garmin prevents us from sharing them with each other!

I have also been very impressed with the acquisition. My understanding is that is you go several days or longer without turning on the Edge it may still take the normal amount of time to get its fix.



When is it that you don't get the charge indicator, is it when you are plugged into your computer? If this is the case you can get the battery charging indicator to show up. If you are on a PC, in your tool bar tray is the eject USB devices icon. You can click on this to eject the Edge from your computer. When you do this the Edge should change the on screen display to the charging indicator.

There's two images displayed when connected to the PC or the wall charger ... The battery charge indication and the USB/PC connection indication.

For some reason, my 705 randomly toggles between the two. It makes a beep chirp at the transition. Even when connected to the wall charger where no possible USB data com would take place, the 705 occasionally beeps to switch to the USB/PC image and then beeps when toggling back to the charge image. Weird.

My only complaint is that the unit is not functional when connected to the PC or wall charger. Kind of precludes the use of the device while an external battery pack is connected which would be nice for extremely long rides.

There's two images displayed when connected to the PC or the wall charger ... The battery charge indication and the USB/PC connection indication.

For some reason, my 705 randomly toggles between the two. It makes a beep chirp at the transition. Even when connected to the wall charger where no possible USB data com would take place, the 705 occasionally beeps to switch to the USB/PC image and then beeps when toggling back to the charge image. Weird.

My only complaint is that the unit is not functional when connected to the PC or wall charger. Kind of precludes the use of the device while an external battery pack is connected which would be nice for extremely long rides.


Hmm......

When you plug it into the wall outlet are you using the Garmin supplied wall plug? When I plug mine to the wall using it the Edge turns on normal. I can scroll through the screens, etc. While plugged in if I turn it off the battery charging indicator turns on.

When you plug it into your computer are you using the Garmin supplied USB/Mini USB calble? Not all cables with these ends are the same. When you plug it into your computer you should get the USB/PC image only. You cannot turn it on when this is displayed. You can however eject it from your computer as I mentioned previously in this thread. When you do this the USB/PC image gets replaced with the battery charging indicator. At this point you can turn it on.

If your Edge is cycling (get it, :roflmao:) between these indicators it sounds like something is wrong.

External battery packs are hit and miss. This is because not all manufacturers use the same wiring setup. Some of them will put your Edge into USB/PC mode. I have two different battery packs that I am able to use that do not put it into this mode. They are:


http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=314

http://www.solio.com/charger/explore-solio/solio-magnesium.html

Luv2climb, Yes I get it with the ac adapter, but not with the USB connection. thanks for the info on the eject to get the indicator. I've given it a try on my XP pc and it works. Where it doesn't work is with Vista... but that's not a Garmin issue. Vista handles USB storage devices appalling bad (won't eject, locks drives unecessily, tells you it's in use when it's not, tells you it has errors when it doesnt, sometimes tells you you need to format the drive for the first time even though it is a usable card with data) so that figures why I never see it being that my main system is Vista.

FYI - I did submit two requests to Garmin, one to have the battery indicator while connected to the PC and one for some sort of car mount or an adapter that lets you use existing car mounts such as those for the Nuvi.

you should be able to see the charge indicator at all times IMO.

I get it now! :thumb:

You are looking to be able to see the charge indicator while it is connected to a PC without having to eject it.

Did the Davis Double on Saturday using a route file I created in Garmin Bobcat and all worked well. I had no screen lock-ups and the route had been changed from the one I had entered and the 605 handled going off route fine for me. I also just tried loading a route from MapMyRide.com that was near 200 miles and it appears that longer rides created this way will work however...

1. When you get a prompt for a turn there is sometimes an arrow through the turn and sometimes there is no arrow. It's not a big issue but it would be nice if the arrow showed up every time.

2. Before the update, routes with waypoints would add all the waypoints to your favorites, which wasn't really desirable in my oppinion and this has been fixed, however now the waypoints do not display any of the special icons on the map. It would be nice if the waypoint icons displayed for a route were displayed while you were "navigating" and then dissapeared when you "stopped navigation."

3. Before starting a route, the distance information will often be incorrect, with distances of 0 between the beginning points, with the correct distance information not showing until you have moved onto the route. I think that how the GPS handles routing before the beginning of the route has been reached can be much improved. It should be able to auto route you to the beginning and it should be able to give an accurate distance and time until the beginning of the route has been reached.

Altitude and elevation is way off. The only way of getting elevation data that is worse that I know of is the motionbased altitude correction.

The good news is that these are the worst issues that I have found with the 605.

Something interesting I noticed is that when I plugged the unit into a car charger, it turned on instead of going to the charge mode screen as it seems to be able to tell the difference between the supplied wall charger and a car charger and guesses that you will probably want to use it while charging if you plug in a car charger. It can still be turned off after plugging in if you don't want to use it during charging.

When you plug it into the wall outlet are you using the Garmin supplied wall plug? When I plug mine to the wall using it the Edge turns on normal. I can scroll through the screens, etc. While plugged in if I turn it off the battery charging indicator turns on.

Yep ... using all Garmin cables and chargers. Even if the unit is on and then I plug it in to either pc or charger, it goes into USB mode w/PC with the occasional Charging screen and it goes into charging mode with the charger with the occasional USB screen.

I've had it hooked to the charger and it just out of the blue beeps and shows the USB connection image and then shortly switches back to the cahrging image. All other functions seem OK although I haven't used it with maps and courses yet.

No matter what I do, when it is connected to either, none of the buttons do anything and I can not turn it ON and see the data screen/maps/menu/anything.

I hate to say it but it sounds like maybe your Edge has a bad connector in it. You could call Garmin and they will most likely replace it for you.

Congrats to Roadkill on a double. I did my first century last saturday - what a great time. It was a supported ms fund raiser ride but I used my 705 with a "course" I loaded from mapmyride.com. I have a mac so I cannot do a planned "route" -- only a "course" from third party software. There is no map route planning software for MAC - mapsource software. It stinks! I have to do a course on mapmyride then export to a garmin file type, then import into garmin training center, then send from training center to the 705 unit. It works, but is not a route - so no turn prompts come up.

Anyway, I have the lock up issue on every long ride I do. Does anyone know if the updater service will work with Macs? Also, I find the speed shown on the 705 to vary significantly from my preexisting little computer I have on my bike - any help on that?

Mark

Anyway, I have the lock up issue on every long ride I do. Does anyone know if the updater service will work with Macs? Also, I find the speed shown on the 705 to vary significantly from my preexisting little computer I have on my bike - any help on that?

Mark


Mac Version of WebUpdater:

http://www8.garmin.com/support/agree.jsp?id=3699


Are you using a speed/cadence sensor? If so do you have it set to auto detect your wheel diameter?

I find the speed shown on the 705 to vary significantly from my preexisting little computer I have on my bike - any help on that?

Mark

As Luv2Climb said, check the settings for auto wheel size. I have the Shimano flight deck and it is dead on accurate to .1 MPH. And suprisingly, the flight decks virtual cadance is within 1 as well, pretty accurate! I'd trust the Garmin over most speed computers too because it's GPS based. Your other computer could be set incorrectly too...

Thanks folks. I will do that update as soon as I get home. I have not set an auto detect - I don't think. Is that in the menu somewhere? It is great to hear that it is acurate for you guys.

Mark