I have not set an auto detect - I don't think.

When you are in the profile for each bike if you have the speed/cadence box checked you will get another set of boxes for wheel diameter. You can select Auto/Custom in the box on the left. If you select custom you must set the circumference in box on the right. For 700c wheel you should have a figure around 2075 +/- a little.

I have not set an auto detect - I don't think. Is that in the menu somewhere?

settings -> profiles -> bike profiles. down at the bottom of that page you can set automatic or manual wheel size. If no cadence sensor, then wheel size option is not there since it doesn't matter.

I have the sensor on the spoke and bike frame and the wheel size was set to automatic. I changed it to custom and 2075. Thanks a lot for the info! I'll see how it works. I updated the software and downloaded bobcat for mac too - it looks good. Yea!

...I'd trust the Garmin over most speed computers too because it's GPS based...

You know, I have been wondering about this. Civilian GPS is only accurate to what, 3 meters or something like that? Given that can the speed be real accurate if it's basing your speed from your position? I have always set my wheel size manually given this concern.

You know, I have been wondering about this. Civilian GPS is only accurate to what, 3 meters or something like that? Given that can the speed be real accurate if it's basing your speed from your position? I have always set my wheel size manually given this concern.

It's relative my dear Watson.....

Your fix may only be accurate to 3m on the face of the earth but it can estimate your change in that position more accurately.

I have the sensor on the spoke and bike frame and the wheel size was set to automatic. I changed it to custom and 2075. Thanks a lot for the info! I'll see how it works. I updated the software and downloaded bobcat for mac too - it looks good. Yea!

Just curious, what was the auto setting using for the circumference?

You know, I have been wondering about this. Civilian GPS is only accurate to what, 3 meters or something like that? Given that can the speed be real accurate if it's basing your speed from your position? I have always set my wheel size manually given this concern.

I'm no expert on this stuff, but my understanding is that It's only accurate to 3 meters if you are trying to pinpoint a position while standing still. so if you stand there you would need to draw a 3 meter circle around you. I've also heard they are actually a lot more accurate that 3 meters if some time passes. If you are moving at a constant rate it is very accurate because it's processing many points of data over a short period of distance. now if you go from 20mph to 0 when approaching a traffic light It's completely wrong for that short period because of the drastic change.

If you get to a good cruising speed it is really accurate, and probably more accurate then the bike computers because the bike computers are too detailed and Dependant upon exact wheel-size. The GPS is smoothing out your overall speed, similar to a police radar.

Also the Garmin keeps a point-by-point data stream, while my flight deck is only a single point in real-time or an average across the entire ride. With the Garmin, those data points can be re-calculated to show a more accurate for a strip of road or the overall ride.

luv2climb & kring - You both bring up excellent points I had considered before. Do you have the Edge set to auto or do you have the wheel size specified?

I have both of my bikes set to auto. One has a reading of 2077cm and the other 2081cm.

With auto set on I think it was 2098 on my 705. I have not tested the manual setting versus my older cateye yet to see if they match with the fixed setting.

With auto set on I think it was 2098 on my 705. I have not tested the manual setting versus my older cateye yet to see if they match with the fixed setting.

Did you look to see what your cateye was set at?

Interesting. I think I'll give auto a try my next ride and see what happens.

No I did not check the cateye and don't recall. I will say that it seems to be tracking like the other bikes around me, but that is pretty inexact. I think the 705 does tend to equal out as one pedals at a constant speed. It seems pretty off when the speed is variable. However, even when the 705 levels off on the speed, it seems slower than the cateye and slower than reality.

FYI, when I did the update my custom wheel size was reverted to auto and it did not automatically find an accurate wheel size. I didn't know this until mid-ride when my husband said let's keep it at 20 and I said, we're only at 15 now! Geez! that was a shock. We're on a tandem. Anyhow, the MotionBased Forum has a whole thread on this. It appears to be a bug added in this update. So, fair warning.

I have been having problems with my HRM not reading properly. Today I finally checked the battery as I wanted to get the part number so I can buy a new one. When I opened the compartment I discovered that the battery had leaked. I cleaned everything out and bought a new battery, weather permitting I'll see if that solves my problems tomorrow. Could this have been caused by my keeping the strap in my trunk? It's not been too hot here in Cleveland yet but there has been a couple of hot days. I just put a new battery in over the winter.


Steve

I just received my 705 last week; Ran the webupdater and installed v2.20.
Saturday I took it on a 75 mile ride. At ~50 mile point, I had an occurrence of the previously reported bug of the grade % ceasing to display.

After the upgrade my Auto showed 2113 when I checked it during a ride. I manually set it to 9999, then back to auto and it settled in at 1796.

Does anyone know if Auto constantly recalculates? or does it find a number after a bit of time and then lock on that? thanks.

If I recall it is supposed to recalculate when you turn it off and then back on. However, since the 2.2 update it does not appear to be doing this. I have had no issues with mine and it is set to auto.

If you have not reported this to Garmin you should to get it on the list of items to fix in the next update.

Ditto . . . after performing the most recent firmware update, I went out on a ride using the MicroSD purchased for North America with Model 705 . . . and somewhere into my ride, the grade no longer showed. Btw, I reported this problem to Garmin yesterday, via email, and am awaiting their response.

Crazy, but this problem did not occur prior to installing the most recent update.

Just a word of caution for everyone... something is seriously wrong with the auto setting on the wheel size in the bike profile. it's off by about 15% and I have yet to find a way to get it to re-calibrate. so I had to go with a manual setting of 2077 until we get the next update.

Wish I could check mine. The screen display died last weekend. Nothing traumatic happened to it to cause this. Just turned it on and the display was garbled static. Took it on a ride anyway, along with my old Cateye - (glad it's still on my main bike). It did continue to record everything, including heart rate & cadence OK. Talked with support and got an RMA on Tuesday, Fed ex'd it to them overnight, hoping they would turn around an exchange real quick as I needed it badly this weekend. No luck. Called on Friday and they hadn't gotten to it yet. Really dissappointed as I did my first Century of the season yesterday with the old Cateye and queue sheets as well as no HR monitor or tracing statistics for the ride. Strongly suggest that Garmin either come up with a 24 hour turn around option or anyone considering using the Edge as a daily training device or race critical tool should consider buying a 2nd backup one as well.

Our percent grade disappeared yesterday about 2/3 through the ride. When I was trying to get it working again I noticed another thing the upgrade screwed with... it changed my user profile, possibly to the default.

I tried to email a report and it wouldn't go through so I phoned. The rep tells me he's already testing a new update that'll fix this stuff as well as the bug in the saved rides. YEAH! He doesn't know how long before it'll be available to us though.

Here is Garmin's response to my question about the grade percentage "malfunction":
____________________________________________

Thank you for contacting Garmin International.
The grade percent may not be great enough for the unit to pick up.
If you should have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us.

With Best Regards,
Shawn V
Product Support Specialist
2nd Shift Outdoor/Fitness Team
Garmin International
913-397-8200
800-800-1020

_________________________________________________

Inasmuch as the grade issue is very sporadic and data continues to record for the total trip, I'm not too concerned . . . but, it would sure be nice if they heard about this issues from others with similar issues . . . maybe they'd find out that there really is a problem and fix it. Btw, on my last 76 mile bicycle trip, the grade percentage seemed to work fine.

Geoffrey

second ride with Garmin 705 + Wireless SRM.

a couple quick questions:
1) I start out last night and the Garmin automatically starts prompting me to follow the same route I did a couple days ago. Am I in the wrong mode when I start?
2) regarding the average watts, the watts data during the ride seemed to match what I typically generate, based on my previous wired SRM, but the average data were way off...it should have been ~285 watts and it reported 1666 watts. I did "wake up" the power meter before the ride per the garmin instructions.

j

second ride with Garmin 705 + Wireless SRM.

a couple quick questions:
1) I start out last night and the Garmin automatically starts prompting me to follow the same route I did a couple days ago. Am I in the wrong mode when I start?
2) regarding the average watts, the watts data during the ride seemed to match what I typically generate, based on my previous wired SRM, but the average data were way off...it should have been ~285 watts and it reported 1666 watts. I did "wake up" the power meter before the ride per the garmin instructions.

j


1) Did you stop the route that you previously doing? Just getting to the destination does not always cause the Edge to end the route navigation.

2) Did you press and hold the Lap button to clear all the trip data from the unit prior to starting your ride?

What software version is your Edge running? 2.2 is the most current.

Having read thru the forum I think the collective advice is:
Buy

Having read thru the forum I think the collective advice is:

Buy the 705 with Pulse and Cadence but not the SD card?
Buy the DVD map from Garmin (?) - NA map. Or can you get from an alternate source?
Load the DVD onto a SD card or do you just load into the 705 itself?
Not sure the value of a topographic map as well and where do you buy or can u get on line for free?
Seems the issues with GPX files is fixed and these can be downloaded directly into the 705 unit?

thanks for your help

Buy the 705 with Pulse and Cadence but not the SD card?

YES!

Buy the DVD map from Garmin (?) - NA map. Or can you get from an alternate source?

You don't have to buy direct from Garmin. Search the web and you will find many places that sell it. The 2009 maps are due out soon. So, you can watch for someone to discount the 2008 or wait for the 2009.

Load the DVD onto a SD card or do you just load into the 705 itself?

You can do either. The 705 itself has about 500mb and the entire US mapset will take up over 2gb. The 605/705 will not recognize anything larger than a 2gb. I would get the 2gb card and you should be able to load up the entire USA except for Alaska.

Not sure the value of a topographic map as well and where do you buy or can u get on line for free?

If all you do is road riding then they wont be much value. If you mtn bike, backpack or hike then you may want them.

Seems the issues with GPX files is fixed and these can be downloaded directly into the 705 unit?

They have corrected the issue that was causing GPX files to be truncated so you are Ok here.


These are my opinions and I am sure others will chime in too.

Thanks! This makes it very easy for me. Appreciate the quick response

rick


YES!



You don't have to buy direct from Garmin. Search the web and you will find many places that sell it. The 2009 maps are due out soon. So, you can watch for someone to discount the 2008 or wait for the 2009.



You can do either. The 705 itself has about 500mb and the entire US mapset will take up over 2gb. The 605/705 will not recognize anything larger than a 2gb. I would get the 2gb card and you should be able to load up the entire USA except for Alaska.



If all you do is road riding then they wont be much value. If you mtn bike, backpack or hike then you may want them.



They have corrected the issue that was causing GPX files to be truncated so you are Ok here.


These are my opinions and I am sure others will chime in too.

Sorry in advance; I'm sure this will be the first in a string of dumb questions, but yes, I did RTFM. So I bought the bundle, and the manual doesn't address the included SD map pack. I have gathered that it's just plug and play, although there's a warning on the case about how the pre programmed data can be lost if saving mapsource maps.

Before I just load the SD card and perminantly leave it inserted, is there anything that I would do, such as load routes or points from mapmyride.com or whatever that would actually overwrite the SD card or would it just save to the internal memory of the Garmin by default?

Thanks

Sorry in advance; I'm sure this will be the first in a string of dumb questions, but yes, I did RTFM. So I bought the bundle, and the manual doesn't address the included SD map pack. I have gathered that it's just plug and play, although there's a warning on the case about how the pre programmed data can be lost if saving mapsource maps.

Before I just load the SD card and perminantly leave it inserted, is there anything that I would do, such as load routes or points from mapmyride.com or whatever that would actually overwrite the SD card or would it just save to the internal memory of the Garmin by default?

As long as you do not try to add more maps to the SD card you will be fine. Only put routes, courses or waypoints on the SD card. However, since the Edge has about 500mb of free space you should not have to use the SD card for storage of these items unless you have a LOT.

Sorry in advance; I'm sure this will be the first in a string of dumb questions, but yes, I did RTFM. So I bought the bundle, and the manual doesn't address the included SD map pack. I have gathered that it's just plug and play, although there's a warning on the case about how the pre programmed data can be lost if saving mapsource maps.

Before I just load the SD card and perminantly leave it inserted, is there anything that I would do, such as load routes or points from mapmyride.com or whatever that would actually overwrite the SD card or would it just save to the internal memory of the Garmin by default?

Thanks

I also saved the SD card info to my computer. That way if I screw it up someday I can reload it to it's original state. Well, that the theory anyway...

You can do either. The 705 itself has about 500mb and the entire US mapset will take up just about 1gb on an SD card. The 605/705 will not recognize anything larger than a 2gb. I would get the 2gb card and you should be able to load up the entire USA except for Alaska.
Corrected. The NT maps use a slightly different format than the very old Garmin maps and use a lot less space so you can fit the entire US is just about 1GB, but a 2GB card is cheap and it will allow you to store more course. history, etc for archival purposes. Please note that the Garmin does not store any ride information on the SD card by itself.

Perhaps someone can shed some light on this for me?

I recently picked up an edge 705. I've been a user of Garmin handhelds for a few years and use a 60csx all the time. I bought a proper 2g microsd card - the same one i have in my 60csx - and have attempted to load the entire City Nav maps on the 705. The software complains that there's only 500megs available though and refuses to install the maps, leaving the card essentially useless for me right now.

In the 60csx you can go into the settings and manipulate the microsd card in certain ways (format it, tell the unit to write tracks out to it, etc) i cannot find this in the edge firmware at all. I've verified that the card is installed correctly and that when i attach the GPS to my computer it pops up a volume for both the on-board storage space and the 2g card.

One other note - i installed the bay area maps for use this past weekend and attempted to use the mapping feature of the unit to drive to my starting point. This is NOT a mapping GPS! 5 full minutes to recalculate after a turn? 5 minutes?! i'm having second thoughts about this thing, somebody set me straight?!

As a bike computer it seems quite worthy, in fact i've enjoyed it so far and find it quite useful. But at this point i could have loaded the free topo maps i've had for years instead of the $100 navigator maps.

Anyone having a similar experience?

I recently picked up an edge 705. I've been a user of Garmin handhelds for a few years and use a 60csx all the time. I bought a proper 2g microsd card - the same one i have in my 60csx - and have attempted to load the entire City Nav maps on the 705. The software complains that there's only 500megs available though and refuses to install the maps, leaving the card essentially useless for me right now.

In the 60csx you can go into the settings and manipulate the microsd card in certain ways (format it, tell the unit to write tracks out to it, etc) i cannot find this in the edge firmware at all. I've verified that the card is installed correctly and that when i attach the GPS to my computer it pops up a volume for both the on-board storage space and the 2g card.

When you are in Mapsource and you tell it to send the maps you get the pop-up window called "Send To Device". In the pop-up window you need to select the SD card in stead of the Edge in the drop down box labeled "Device".


One other note - i installed the bay area maps for use this past weekend and attempted to use the mapping feature of the unit to drive to my starting point. This is NOT a mapping GPS! 5 full minutes to recalculate after a turn? 5 minutes?! i'm having second thoughts about this thing, somebody set me straight?!

As a bike computer it seems quite worthy, in fact i've enjoyed it so far and find it quite useful. But at this point i could have loaded the free topo maps i've had for years instead of the $100 navigator maps.

Anyone having a similar experience?

Once you load the maps you may need to turn them on. Go to "menu", "Settings", "Map". At the bottom of the screen make sure that your maps that you loaded have the check box. If you do not do this the unit will try to route you using the VERY basic base map on the unit.

Also, if you are in the car trying to navigate and the unit is set to bike mode it may take a while to create the route as it is avoiding all highways. To check this go to "menu", "Settings", "Routing".

Hope these help. I too have a 60CSx and the 705 is not as versatile or robust as the 60CSx but should work fine for basic car routing but will work great on the bike as you figure out all the settings.

Got it - thanks for the reply! It seems to be loading everything to the mSD card now, that was a miss on my part.

I had noticed the routing options after searching around, the default was - as you say - to "Avoid Major Roads" and i had made sure to uncheck that. I made a U-turn to hit a deli for a sandwich (for after the ride) and it started "Calculating," it got all the way to 100% and then just kinda stayed there for a long time. I figured it had frozen up (As i've been reading about) and just put it in my pocket. As I was walking back to the car it beeped and decided it knew what was going on again. Same thing for every turn i made from that point on (and yes i got lost because of it ;) )

I do definitely miss a lot of the information you can get from the 60 series. I'm going to suggest it to Garmin. I'm sure these things can all be easily added to the firmware if they deem it important enough. So far my list is:
- More GPS information (GPS elevation)
- MicroSD utilities (format, % utilized etc)
- Easier/quicker waypoint marking
- History table in the find menu for waypoint/location trackback
- The ability to know if it's "Stopped," or, "Started." (something like a blinking icon etc)
- Properties on a given page (Like the 60 series), so you can manipulate relevant but infrequently accessed data per page

I do like the device but I wish that i hadn't used the City Navigator maps right away and had instead use the Topo maps only They would definitely meet my needs. If you don't own any maps at all the City Navigator maps are more useful overall and will be a better buy for most people. Using Garmin GPS units for ~8 years now i already own the topo maps and would have been quite happy with them (And saved $100!)

Got my 705 about a week ago, the bundle. Everything worked fine from the get-go, heart-rate, cadence, speed, etc. Having used boat GPS units for many years, it is taking some time to get used to the start/stop business. With my handheld Map76 (on a handlebar mount) all I had to do was zero the trip counter before a ride and then forget about it. Now I have to remind myself to "Start" it after I have turned it on.

I was able to very easily download some old MapMyRide routes in one simple step without any extra utilities or conversions. The first two routes I rode were both less than 20 miles. But then the third route was about 65 miles, and at some point after 20 miles it started pleading with me to "Make a U-turn". It did so many times that I thought it was going to say "Dude, you're lost!". This was before I read in this thread about the 2.2 software release. Mine came with 2.1 so I will use the info provided here (many thanks) and download 2.2.

I loved the way the 705 created the turn-by-turn prompts from the MapMyRide route, and the way that if you're not on the map page when a turn is coming up it will briefly bring up the map and highlight the approaching turn.

After it went bonkers on the long ride, I selected "Stop Navigating" and restarted it. It started giving me a route and prompts again but it routed me back to the start and not the rest of the planned ride. I hope 2.2 has taken care of this as I have a 83 mile group ride to Mt. St. Helens this weekend and the Seattle to Portland in July.

Okay, it's more than a week later and I've since reported a couple of bugs to Garmin. First, regarding a routing issue. Here's my email to Garmin and their response:

Subject: Routing Message Body: When using routes downloaded in GPX form from MapMyRide.com, the unit works fine as long as you stick to the route. If you divert, maybe to use a restroom or visit a mini-mart, or perhaps a road is closed, the unit will re-route you directly back to the Start of the ride instead of to the nearest point back on the desired route. Whenever possible it should allow you to re-intersect your originally planned route, rather than re-route you back to the start by the shortest course possible. That is not the objective of most bike rides.



Garmin's response:

Thank you for contacting Garmin International.

This issue should be addressed with the next software update. I do apologize for any inconvenience. If you should have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us.
***********************

And the second issue regarding the Percent Grade function:

Subject:
Percent Grade Function Halts
Message Body:
The percent grade function ceased to function within a mile or two of the start of a ride. I turned the unit off and restarted it right away and it still did not function. I then turned it off for about five minutes or more and turned it back on and it functioned until the end of the ride. The unit timer was "Started" and the distance ridden was registering when the grade was not.

Garmin's response:

Thank you for contacting Garmin International.
From what you describe your unit is not functioning correctly. To correct this issue I would suggest that you master reset your unit to clear out any corrupt data. This will clear out all data in the unit and reset it to factory defaults and settings. Following are instructions on how to perform a Master Reset on your unit:
-- With the unit powered off, Press and hold the Mode and Power button at the same time. You will then see a screen that says, "Do you really want to erase all user data Yes/NO" Select Yes and the unit will be reset.
After the master reset please place your unit outside so that it has a clear view of the sky for 25 to 30 minutes so that the unit can acquire new almanac data. I would also suggest going to our website at the following link and updating your units operating system.

http://www.garmin.com/products/webupdater/howtoinstall.jsp (http://www.garmin.com/products/webupdater/howtoinstall.jsp)

I have yet to do a master reset as suggested. I went on a very hilly, 50+ mile ride yesterday and the grade function worked non-stop. I think I will hold off doing the master reset until it becomes the last resort. I am using release 2.2 and anxiously awaiting 2.3.

Perhaps this thread should become a Sticky since it has become a repository of useful info about the 705.

I just got the 705 as a gift after losing my 305. I'm debating if I should return it and instead get a powertap, first. This is a great thread, though. I loved my 305.

Help... on a 42 mile ride this morning... out of the blue... on a flat stretch while going 18 mph... my 705 just went into auto pause. Nothing would start it. I turned off, pulled over even cleared history... nothing.
Any ideas? I have a week long bike tour coming in a week and need it to be working.
Reading through Garmin forums this seems to be a very, very common bug.
It ruined my ride today. Have no log info and I was riding at what, for me, would have been a record pace.
Garmin, by all accounts, is doing nothing about this.
Up until now, I was very pleased with my 705. Now, I'm convinced I shouldn't have bought one... there are dozens and dozens of complains on this issue and almost all of them note how Garmin is basically ignoring it. This is so disappointing.
If you are thinking about getting one of these units... read all the posts here.

Well, lets see:
- did you check that the wheel magnet was properly positioned
- how old is the battery in your sensor
- re-pair your Edge and sensor
- what is the wheel circumference set to on the Edge

This is just a start but see what happens.

In the future if this ever happens you can tell the Edge that you do not have a sensor and this will force it to use only the satellite signal and ignore the sensor.

Thanks for helping me troubleshoot... Here's answers:
Battery is 3 months old...
wheel circm is set to auto 2mm (same as it has for three months of working fine)
wheel magnet was fine... still counted cadence... as my hrm counted heart beats. Time and maps also worked. Just no odometer or speed.

hmmm. if I disable the cadence... will sats guess or just leave that data field blank on the display? But that's a great tip to make sure I keep recording. I'm working hard to up my cadence so have been logging that but, obviously, speed and distance are more important.

- Battery should be fine if only three months old.
- Wheel circumference should not be 2mm. It should be more like 2080mm +/-. This could be your problem. The last upgrade introduced a bug in the auto wheel size calcualtion. Some people have issues other do not. To correct this change yours to manual and set the size based on a rollout, or use 2,080mm and you will be pretty close.
- There are two magnets for the sensor. One for the cadence and one for the wheel. Just because it counts cadence does not mean that the wheel magnet is set correctly. When the sensor is in test mode do you get both red and green flashing lights?

Just saw that you have resolved this over at MotionBased with the same thing that I posted here.

OK I decided to keep it :)

OK I decided to keep it :)

The lure to the "power" side of the force is strong Luke!

I think you will enjoy it and come to appreciate what it can do for you. I have contemplated getting the Cinqo they do not have a compatable version to go with my new Record cranks. I dont want it so bad that I am willing to trade them out for something else.

Set the circumference manually and did a roll out... thanks for the help... and hope that resolves the issue.
Still can't figure out why the problem suddenly manifested itself, though. I have had the 2.2 update ever since it came out and there were no issues till yesterday.

Hello to all. After reading this thread, I am not sure that I took everything in, but it was pretty helpful. I am planning on taking my 705 on a 4800 mile 48 day trip across the US. I have constructed 50+ routes in MapSource which will comprise the trip, but have not yet loaded all the routes onto the 705. I have City Navigator loaded on a 2gb SD card in the 705. I will have computer access occasionally while on the trip, but I will not have access to the computer that is loaded with City Navigator.

I read some things about the routing/re-routing that seemed worrying. If I take a detour from my planned route - am I screwed? I noticed that some people were saying that the 705 "gives up" and directs you to the beginning of the route instead of re-routing. Am I understanding that correctly? Is there a workaround- like if I get off course I tell it to "go to" the destination for that particular route?

Also, I constructed the route largely without waypoints (I think there are 6), as I saw that the Garmin is limited to 100. Instead it is strictly via points - is this the correct technique? Are there possible problems with this?

I will be taking a number of rides with the 705 to experience the routing and re-routing, but I wanted to make sure I understand what I am getting into.

Thanks,
Ben

Can you export the data from Training Center to report form using either MS Word or Excel?

buddy

Can you export the data from Training Center to report form using either MS Word or Excel?

buddy

I know there is a way but I dont know it. You can try searching or posting your question here too if now one know on this board:

http://forums.motionbased.com/smf/index.php?board=58.0