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Helena Bonham Carter is a movie star! Wow! Imagine that. A star! She gave birth to the child of director Tim Burton, her next door neighbor. And what did she have to say about this Hollywood moment? "I find it romantic bearing his illegitimate child and living next door. I don't know if we'll marry."

Someone please tell me, why the h%ll do some folks idolize these kinds of people like they do?

I don't idolize either Ms. Bonham Carter or Mr. Burton. Why do you? Why do you assume others do?

I wish I could answer your question. It never ceases to amaze me that people will value the opinion of a "star" just because thay are talented or attractive.

I don't idolize either Ms. Bonham Carter or Mr. Burton. Why do you? Why do you assume others do?


This is because you are obvoiusly a decent clean living person. Thanks for being one of the crowd that does not idolize these idiots.

And I certainly do not idolize them. I assume nothing, I watch other peoples reactions to the general hollywood example. Beleive me, people like this are made into cultural icons regularly.

I think he is a brilliant director. Loved Ed Woods, Beetlejuice, Legend of Sleepy Hollow, Edward Scissor Hands, Batman, Nightmare before Christmas etc....I just wouldn't want to be his girlfriend.

I think he is a brilliant director. Loved Ed Woods, Beetlejuice, Legend of Sleepy Hollow, Edward Scissor Hands, Batman, Nightmare before Christmas etc....I just wouldn't want to be his girlfriend.

Or his neighbor :rolleyes:

Personally, I can't be bothered keeping up with all the
foibles of hollywood and its residents (goes for alot of
california residents too). I do however, like cbhungry,
appreciate Mr. Burtons perverse sense of theatre, film
etc. I just don't let their private lives get in the way of
my opinion of their work.
Moral turpitude? you betcha. Good Director? sure.
Date my daughter? over my dead body.

Marty

Luckily I've not seen any movies by these two, but there must be something in that Star power thing. Look at the new governor of California. There was even a B grade actor in the White House at one time.

Perhaps if more people rode bicycles their heads would be cleared of this inane idolization. But maybe not.

I've never heard of Helena Bonham Carter. Besides having her neighbour's baby, what is her claim to fame?

I've never heard of Helena Bonham Carter. Besides having her neighbour's baby, what is her claim to fame?

She is an actress (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0000307/). And a very fine one.

Perhaps she'll be a fine mother too. Who knows? I don't. I'm more concerned about whether I'll be a fine parent to my children. (Sorry for the snarky tone but I can't get all worked up to cluck my tongue about a famous person and whether or not she's conforming to social expectations.)

Come on, they are trying to be role models for crying out loud! Look they are good neighbours, make decent money, the child is healthy, and they won’t waste time and effort on a marriage. Are you suggesting she take his name, move into his house and visit a church and have a christian marriage. I can’t say I would call this situation romantic, but it sure sounds convenient.

Just my $0.02 worht but in my opinion children need a family not some dysfunctionl convience thing.

Just my $0.02 worht but in my opinion children need a family not some dysfunctionl convience thing.

Could not have said it better myself. Family is better than growing up knowing you were the result of a one night stand and there probably was nothing resembling love in your conception.

Just my $0.02 worht but in my opinion children need a family not some dysfunctionl convience thing.

I disagree. Children need love, understanding and guidance. And it has nothing to do with the parents living next door or in the same house.

my bet is that this child will be nothing more than a leverage device to get money out of Burton by this woman. The child will have money thrown at it and not love if the situation remains as wholesome as the conception.

Paul Gaugin was a good painter living a mediocre middle-class, existence working as a banker in France. He deserted his wife and children, moved to Tahiti, painted masterworks, and died, allegedly of a venereal disease contracted from an underage Tahitian girl.

I look at Gaugin's personal life and think "what a shmuck!"

But I look at his artwork and think, "what a genius."

Tim Burton and Helena Bonham Carter are having a child out of wedlock? Hmmmmm....

What talented shmucks.

At least the kid's mother is good looking.

Helena Bonham Carter is a movie star! Wow! Imagine that. A star! She gave birth to the child of director Tim Burton, her next door neighbor. And what did she have to say about this Hollywood moment? "I find it romantic bearing his illegitimate child and living next door. I don't know if we'll marry."

Someone please tell me, why the h%ll do some folks idolize these kinds of people like they do?What do you care anyway? Live your life as you choose and don't worry about what others do. You aren't going to change anything. You will, however p!$$ people off.

Lest we forget: Judge not lest ye be judged. Hmmm

Not interested in them at all. How people choose to live their lives is up to them.

It is a free society is it not?

As a comment I have never found HBC attractive or talented, although her looks must have helped minimise makeup time in Planet of the Apes (sorry)

Paul Gaugin was a good painter living a mediocre middle-class, existence working as a banker in France. He deserted his wife and children, moved to Tahiti, painted masterworks, and died, allegedly of a venereal disease contracted from an underage Tahitian girl.

I look at Gaugin's personal life and think "what a shmuck!"

But I look at his artwork and think, "what a genius."

Tim Burton and Helena Bonham Carter are having a child out of wedlock? Hmmmmm....

What talented shmucks.

At least the kid's mother is good looking.

I think Gaugin has been a little unfairly maligned - It was his wife who kicked him out, he had almost certainly had veneral disease before he went back to Tahiti, and whilst his wife was underage by many countries law, she wasn't by Tahitian custom.

Personally though I wouldn't have lived my life the way he did.

As to HBC and Tim Burton. HBC is in my opinion an adequate actress but not great, Tim Burton can be a very good director. As to their love life, if they're both happy and the child is well cared for then I wish them the best and don't want to know any more about it.

As a comment I have never found HBC attractive or talented, although her looks must have helped minimise makeup time in Planet of the Apes (sorry)

Yeah, but Tim Burton looks like the offspring of a union between Tiny Tim and Alice Cooper.

What do you care anyway?

Lest we forget: Judge not lest ye be judged. Hmmm

I don't. And I am commenting on a behavior pattern that is part of the reason our great nation is being flushed down the toilet.

But you are absolutely right. Judgement is for God do execute. I am merely calling things like I see them. I hope this child gets a break and has friends that will treat him/her like family since he will most likely have no real family structure. TB and his little peice if action can live any way they want for all I care but this child deserves good parenting. Something I doubt they will give.

I hope I am wrong and I may be.

I really enjoy TB's movies, and what I've seen of HBC's work, I've liked too.
SamDaBikinMan, your comments, wagering, and uber-parenting ideas regarding people and situations you know absolutly nothing about is pretty funny too.

I hope this isn't going to turn into another silly conservatives vs liberals thread. It is an argument that neither side can possibly win; so I hope you will weigh your words carefully before posting further comments. Thanx.

I hope this isn't going to turn into another silly conservatives vs liberals thread. It is an argument that neither side can possibly win; so I hope you will weigh your words carefully before posting further comments. Thanx.
Yeah we have a wonderful little Politcal / religion forum for that.

I believe that traditional family set ups are preferable. However, there is nothing to say that neither will be a loving, caring, supportive parent. I can not push my decree of perfection of life style upon someone else. And there is no reason that even though they are famous, that they have to as well.

My wife and I are going to have a daughter just so we can stop her from dating Tim Burton.

This sort of thing happens all over the country not just in Hollywood. We do not really know much about their personal situations. Are they both single. Don't have to be just neighbors to have sex. Intentional manipulation.. ? Time will tell. At least bet, Carter has the odds of beating him on a deadbeat dad charge.
I am not one to make decisons of someone's work based upon their personal lives. The test will come when they have to show what kind of parents they are. That will tell what kind of people they are. The kid could turn out just fine with all the love and ammenties a child could want..Certainly the child will have easy access to her parents.
Time will tell, went next door to borrow a cup of sugar, see whether they made lemon maringue pie or not.

My wife and I are going to have a daughter just so we can stop her from dating Tim Burton.


Let's just both hope that your daugther doesn't look like Tim Burton then. For many reasons. :D

I am commenting on a behavior pattern that is part of the reason our great nation is being flushed down the toilet.

I personally think people like you are the reason this country is being flushed down the toilet. You know neither of these people you know nothing about single parents, let me guess I am sure you would prefer an abortion.

I am commenting on a behavior pattern that is part of the reason our great nation is being flushed down the toilet.

I personally think people like you are the reason this country is being flushed down the toilet. You know neither of these people you know nothing about single parents, let me guess I am sure you would prefer an abortion.


No, he is quite the antiabortionist. Don't know how you came up with that leap of logic.

No, he is quite the antiabortionist. Don't know how you came up with that leap of logic.

I was being sarcastic
I must also appologize for the venom in my post

I am commenting on a behavior pattern that is part of the reason our great nation is being flushed down the toilet.

I personally think people like you are the reason this country is being flushed down the toilet. You know neither of these people you know nothing about single parents, let me guess I am sure you would prefer an abortion.

Interesting, you think I am the problem becasue I comment on people I don't know and your opinion is also based upon this since you do not know me.

Great. I bet you must go into seizures when you read opinion columns in the editorial pages of the paper. Opinions are allowed and can actually do some good if the right people read them.

I am pro choice, Motherhood or murder, but I officially prefer motherhood over murder. But I do not excuse fathers. They need to come to bear on what they helped bring into the world. Childrearing is teamwork.

By the way, how many men do you know who give up a promising career to stay at home and raise their child. If none then now you can say you know one. I am all about parenthood and proper child rearing.

Don't misunderstand me, you have every right to your opinion as anyone else has. That is one of the great things about America. Everyone has the right to be offended also.

No, he is quite the antiabortionist. Don't know how you came up with that leap of logic.

I was being sarcastic
I must also appologize for the venom in my post

Do not apologize for having some passion for what you think is right. It shows you stand for something. It is much better than standing for nothing which much of society is becoming. Political correctness is a fine example of a people who will not be agressive due to the fact someone might be offended.

Interesting, you think I am the problem becasue I comment on people I don't know and your opinion is also based upon this since you do not know me.

I knew you would call me out on that one, but just for the sake of the argument, how many people do you know that came form a single parent family?

Great. I bet you must go into seizures when you read opinion columns in the editorial pages of the paper. Opinions are allowed and can actually do some good if the right people read them.

Nope, just certain issues like the one currently being discussed, the legality of flag burning, Mac vs. Windoze and what Hendry should do with the Cubs this winter.

Knowing many well adjusted people with single parents, I think most people would do well to stop worring about other families' structures, and worry about their own screwed up kids. There are much more important factors that go into raising a good kid than the number of parents doing the raising, single moms (usually) are just such a nice easy scapegoat to blame for societies ills, which is rediculous because single parents have next to nothing to do with any problems you or I see with society. BTW dubya's kids have two parents and they do not seem to be paragons of optimal child rearing, same with Ronnie and Nancy, hell the same applies to Ozzy and Sharon. If you want to scapegoat some one point to divorsed people, this is the most psychologically damaging event that can happen to a kid outside of a parents death. Or I would much rather be raised by a single parent than a couple of alcoholics, Christian fundimentalists, PETA members, or smokers. As for how Burton and Carter will do as parents, only time will tell.

By the way, how many men do you know who give up a promising career to stay at home and raise their child. If none then now you can say you know one. I am all about parenthood and proper child rearing.

Congrats, I have always thought it would be great to be a stay home dad :)

My single parent friends are good people. This was due to strong willpower and good choices. The parenting history I have heard from them are pretty dismal.

But you are correct, to have two parents is no promise of good family system. Two can make twice as many bad decisions.

Lets hope the pattern of typical hollywood antics will be broken by these two. I doubt it.

I disagree. Children need love, understanding and guidance. And it has nothing to do with the parents living next door or in the same house.


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ljbike

I think that children should come from a marriage, but the concept of a family can vary much from one situation to the next. The great patriarch Jacob in the Book of Genesis had two wives. This was due to error, otoh.

Jacob

I disagree. Children need love, understanding and guidance. And it has nothing to do with the parents living next door or in the same house.


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ljbike

I think that children should come from a marriage, but the concept of a family can vary much from one situation to the next. The great patriarch Jacob in the Book of Genesis had two wives. This was due to error, otoh.

Jacob

I just want to remind everyone that the original post and intent WAS that I marvel at how wonderful this mother exclaimed her thrill over bearing the ILLEGITIMATE CHILD in her words. Then continuing to state her indecision that they may actually become a family.

This is indicative of a complete lack of regard for a family unit and supports the idea of just sleeping around and if you get pregnant by one of your Johns then it is so wonderful and romantic.

I made no initial statements that slam single parents or claim it always takes a mom and dad. I beleive a married couyple that have a good sound relationship is ideal and preferred but by no means the absolute only way a child will be loved and cared for.

It is however much more likely that the love and care will not come from people whose regard for family and marriage is nonexsistent than it is to people who hold family in high regard.

It was reported on Access Hollywood :rolleyes: that they are engaged, I hope it works out

It was reported on Access Hollywood :rolleyes: that they are engaged, I hope it works out


The historical, or should I say histerical, record of marriages in hollywood in general makes this a challenge. I do hope it works beleive it or not but time will tell as you mentioned before.

My question is, why are the private lives of movie actors and directors so much more facinating that anyone else's?

So a couple of people are having a baby. BFD! It happens every day thousands of times around the world, and unless it's born with two heads or something is alomst never a newsworthy event.

This story is much more an indictment on the people who are interested in this waste of airtime than it is of the couple involved.

And hundreds of people win bike races every year, Lance wins and everyone goes ape$hit. BFD

When people choose to live in the glamour and lights then they expose their personal lives by default.

And hundreds of people win bike races every year, Lance wins and everyone goes ape$hit. BFD

Exactly. It's not like he's done anything important or anything.


When people choose to live in the glamour and lights then they expose their personal lives by default.

I know this. I just fail to see the fascination.

When people choose to live in the glamour and lights then they expose their personal lives by default.


I would rather not have someone take so much leeway as to expose my "personal life" if I chose to live in the glamour and lights. In the glamour and lights, however, you do not see many who have a personal life which is not openly just and rightful in the face of an imposition of decent standards, by my standards.

I am not defending stupid family decisions like not caring for children properly, which is ideally done through a good family. I scorn such practices.


Jacob

Tim Burton is a visionary... wouldn't every young woman want to bear his seed?

I met him once here in NYC at a club I was playing in and asked him to impregnate me too... of course being a straight guy myself we couldn't figure out a viable method.

Tim Burton is a visionary... wouldn't every young woman want to bear his seed?

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You just wait... POTA's will become a CLASSIC!! :eek: :p

Hey now... everyone makes a blunder from time to time!! Take for instance, George Bush Sr. when he made the choice to reproduce with his wife.

... why the h%ll do some folks idolize these kinds of people like they do?

Small minds discuss people...

The rest of us don't idolize her, they idolize her body! :love: HBC would make my ultimate Stepford Wife. :twitchy: