TOMMASINI - how to identify model, date of manufacture and authenticity

[RideTommasini]

The Gorilla-Tomassini are the only Tomassini track frames the average guy can afford. And they look freaking awesome!
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/5/0/1/8/4/1/webimg/85954435_tp.jpg

I just hope I can get one before they run out of stock.

I'm sure you can get one of those but it would be a Gorilla track frame - not a Tommasini track frame. Good luck with your purchase. And this is not the thread for that discussion.

On a cost note - I wish we did offer a frame that the masses could purchase, but we don't and there is a reason for it - the time we put into each frame and materials justify the cost of what the consumer gets. If you have ever owned a Tommasini, you would understand.

Now - any questions about Tommasini frames, I will be more than happy to entertain. But if I do not respond it is because I have logged off - but you are more than welcome to email me with a real question.

[kemmer]

The Gorilla-Tomassini are the only Tomassini track frames the average guy can afford. And they look freaking awesome!
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/5/0/1/8/4/1/webimg/85954435_tp.jpg

I just hope I can get one before they run out of stock.

For reals, I kinda want one too.

[ezoons]

Tina, give it a rest for a while. Continuing to post isn't helping your company right now.

It boggles the mind how someone claiming to be the owner of... just about any business does not see how damaging doing something like this would be to their reputation.

[wroomwroomoops]

I'm sure you can get one of those but it would be a Gorilla track frame - not a Tommasini track frame. Good luck with your purchase. And this is not the thread for that discussion.

On a cost note - I wish we did offer a frame that the masses could purchase, but we don't and there is a reason for it - the time we put into each frame and materials justify the cost of what the consumer gets. If you have ever owned a Tommasini, you would understand.

Now - any questions about Tommasini frames, I will be more than happy to entertain. But if I do not respond it is because I have logged off - but you are more than welcome to email me with a real question.

Guess what, I (and by now, I suspect some more) will never own a Tommasini. The only way I'll own a Tommasini is if it has the GORILLA logo alongside. BITE ME!

[haywire]

tina,

ti chiediamo piacevolmente, sparisci!

grazie mille di cuore,
BF

[Brian]

Well, if I ever need to know which members are the most immature, or the biggest jerks, I'll just refer to this thread. Seriously.

Reviewing this thread, I suspect that many of the negative comments came from posters that would never dream of purchasing a Tommasini, or would not have the means to do so. Nothing lost there. And anyone reading this thread as part of research into buying one would certainly not be swayed either way by these same childish comments.

I don't agree with Tina's approach to alerting forum members to her dispute, but I'm hoping to put that behind us. The obnoxious responses I see here do not serve any purpose other than to discourage industry figures from contributing to the forums, which is a loss not just for our members, but for non-members that view the site.

[wroomwroomoops]

Well, if I ever need to know which members are the most immature, or the biggest jerks, I'll just refer to this thread. Seriously.

Reviewing this thread, I suspect that many of the negative comments came from posters that would never dream of purchasing a Tommasini, or would not have the means to do so. Nothing lost there. And anyone reading this thread as part of research into buying one would certainly not be swayed either way by these same childish comments.

I don't agree with Tina's approach to alerting forum members to her dispute, but I'm hoping to put that behind us. The obnoxious responses I see here do not serve any purpose other than to discourage industry figures from contributing to the forums, which is a loss not just for our members, but for non-members that view the site.

Hey, I have a question for you: do you like violins? I mean really, really tiny ones?

[haywire]

Well, if I ever need to know which members are the most immature, or the biggest jerks, I'll just refer to this thread. Seriously.

Reviewing this thread, I suspect that many of the negative comments came from posters that would never dream of purchasing a Tommasini, or would not have the means to do so. Nothing lost there. And anyone reading this thread as part of research into buying one would certainly not be swayed either way by these same childish comments.

I don't agree with Tina's approach to alerting forum members to her dispute, but I'm hoping to put that behind us. The obnoxious responses I see here do not serve any purpose other than to discourage industry figures from contributing to the forums, which is a loss not just for our members, but for non-members that view the site.

So... you can glean someone's financial situation by the amount of wisecracks they make? That's pretty good.

It's really very simple, the obnoxious responses you see here are responses to the obnoxious original post.

Are posts like Tina's the industry contributions you're seeking to perpetuate? If industry heads post obnoxious [things] then aren't we better off without them posting at all?

Isn't the name of this forum "Consumer Feedback"?

Your points are invalid; that's about as blunt as I can get.

[Brian]

Hey, I have a question for you: do you like violins? I mean really, really tiny ones?

http://www.ishkur.com/posters/internet.jpg

[haywire]

http://www.ishkur.com/posters/internet.jpg

"Harassment occurs when a member insults, attacks, and denigrates another member at any time. We have zero tolerance for taking an argument about a any topic to a personal level. For instance, the use of terms such as "idiot, moron, stupid" and other derogatory terms constitutes harassment."

[wroomwroomoops]

http://www.ishkur.com/posters/internet.jpg

Thank you, Brian. I hug you, too.

[cranky old road]

Did you guys "Report this post to a moderator?"

[icknayvon]

I know that I did. But the moderator responses in this thread don't seem to be too helpful.

[waybehind]

if there is one lesson I've learned from this cluster**** of a debate, it's that one must be very careful of what one says.
You WILL be taken to task in here.

[I_luv_hooters]

...one must be very careful of what one says.
You WILL be taken to task in here.


Powertripping Moderators... if anyone gets an "infraction" because of their opinions on this topic (however "immature"), it's BS.

[Brian]

Powertripping Moderators... if anyone gets an "infraction" because of their opinions on this topic (however "immature"), it's BS.

As far as I'm aware, not even the "mature" but rude responses have garnered any infractions.

[EMT]

Since T-USA seems to have plenty of time to reply to snarky comments, perhaps she could take 2 minutes to let us know the facts. Here is the form again:

QUESTION #1

In their UNPAINTED and NON-DECALED bare steel finish, were these frames in question built by Tommasini Italy?

[ ] YES
[ ] NO


QUESTION #2

For the frames in question, were they painted by Tommasini Italy?

[ ] YES
[ ] NO


QUESTION #3

For the frames in question, were the head badges made and installed by Tommasini Italy?

[ ] YES
[ ] NO


QUESTION #4

For the frames in question, were the Tommasini decals applied by Tommasini Italy?

[ ] YES
[ ] NO


QUESTION #5

For the frames in question, did Tommasini Italy apply the "Gorilla" label decals?

[ ] YES
[ ] NO

Waiting for your response!

[wroomwroomoops]

Since T-USA seems to have plenty of time to reply to snarky comments, perhaps she could take 2 minutes to let us know the facts. Here is the form again:

QUESTION #1

In their UNPAINTED and NON-DECALED bare steel finish, were these frames in question built by Tommasini Italy?

[ ] YES
[ ] NO


QUESTION #2

For the frames in question, were they painted by Tommasini Italy?

[ ] YES
[ ] NO


QUESTION #3

For the frames in question, were the head badges made and installed by Tommasini Italy?

[ ] YES
[ ] NO


QUESTION #4

For the frames in question, were the Tommasini decals applied by Tommasini Italy?

[ ] YES
[ ] NO


QUESTION #5

For the frames in question, did Tommasini Italy apply the "Gorilla" label decals?

[ ] YES
[ ] NO

Waiting for your response!

That was posted twice (in two separate threads) - and then it was deleted. I really hope THIS time it survives.

[Brian]

That was posted twice (in two separate threads) - and then it was deleted. I really hope THIS time it survives.

One day, we'll let you be right. Not today though (http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=6318636&postcount=79).

[wroomwroomoops]

One day, we'll let you be right. Not today though (http://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.php?p=6318636&postcount=79).

The original thread where it was posted for the first time, was locked and then hidden/deleted (I am talking about the first thread RideTommasini started in the Road Cycling forum). After that thread re-emerged, this post with the questionnaire was "sanitized out". I posted this questionnaire in another thread, and that thread was deleted. Both of these assertions are true and I would be surprised if you'd decide to challenge this assertion, because you know it's true.

As for this particular post you linked to: I can't know that this was posted a third time, I don't follow all the threads. I have seen this thread but perhaps did not bother reading it all. I do know I read it up to the 2nd or 3rd page. It still doesn't matter, because I said that the questionnaire was deleted twice, and that holds true even if it was later re-posted in another thread - that doesn't change the fact that it was deleted twice.

[I_luv_hooters]

90% of my above post has been deleted for no reason by the moderator Brian.

[Seamless]

Well, if I ever need to know which members are the most immature, or the biggest jerks, I'll just refer to this thread. Seriously.

On the one hand, points for being open about your feelings. Apparently this is one issue that some people feel strongly about, with emotional language.
OTOH, not much positive marketing value to flaming one's customers (including those who only click on the ads and use forum discussions about merchandise to decide what and where to buy, or even those who generate advertising eyeball impression revenues).
But that's entirely the forum owner's choice, sometimes it generates buzz, sometimes the people invited to exit do so for a time; but have at it.


Reviewing this thread, I suspect that many of the negative comments came from posters that would never dream of purchasing a Tommasini, or would not have the means to do so. Nothing lost there.
Not quite accurate. There is much lost potential goodwill here, a few come quickly to mind:


Used or past-year/closeout models might still be an alternative. With high-end items, a healthy resale (used) market tends to benefit the manufacturer by increasing demand and subsequent sales of new items (upgrades, friends and family who are able to look at an older model and now consider buying their own, word of mouth from satisfied owners, favorable comments from owners of other bikes during centuries, tours or rallys, etc.).

Even people who don't ride a particular bike sometimes want to buy and use associated merchandise (clothing, gear, etc.). And road bike owners seem to enjoy promoting their favorite frames.

With greater open access to public discussion via the Web, particularly for larger purchase decisions, more potential customers look to see what other people have to say. All manufacturers/distributors claim high quality and happy customers.

With a large purchase under consideration, and for an item that will be used for years, potential customers may be very interested to hear how the company handles customer relations.


A company that frequently deals directly with customers could probably add a few more reasons why such comments are important. A really good manufacturer/distributor especially cares why a potential customer decides against a purchase, and maintaining a good reputation is among the reasons.

[chipcom]

Geeze, based on this thread and the brooks thread, maybe the name of this forum needs to be changed to:
Drama Queens with Bunched Panties. :rolleyes:

[Nachoman]

I admit that i'm not enamored with tommasini right now. Seems pretty week to make a big stink and then avoid the tough questions.

[rufvelo]

I admit that i'm not enamored with tommasini right now. Seems pretty week to make a big stink and then avoid the tough questions.

Will you be dumping your NOS Tommasini? :)

[EMT]

I am not a Tommasini rider and I am not seriously considering buying one of their frames---nor do I have any connection to Gorilla (I am not buying one of their frames either). Still, speaking as an objective observer standing outside the battle, what RideTommasini has done on these threads strikes me as just dishonest. She raises accusations and is unwilling to respond to questions. She continues to make accusations even after these things are pointed out. To add insult to injury, she claims she is busy and has no time to give to requests for information (at least not public requests), but has plenty of time to joke around with people who aren't asking pointed questions (see upthread).

Whatever the facts are, speaking personally, this series of actions has not helped the Tommasini brand image. I find it all a bit shocking, frankly.

[haywire]

Brian,
First, I'm just some joker on the internet so I don't expect to impact your life. Second, I'm also really immature and kind of a jerk... but I'll cop to it. I don't pretend to be anything else. You sit around telling people to grow up, be more mature, or that they're big jerks, then edit their posts (in this thread and others)... then post the same garbage at whomever that you've been griping about.

The internet is serious business, please recognize.

[bandaidman]

i am disappointed with the direction the Tomassini brand is heading in the US with the new importer (the ridetommasini person)

long standing dealers are no longer carrying the brand (why?)

the online persona of the ride tommasini person is a big put off.

i bought two tommasini frames from the old importer and they are wonderful bikes.

i will not buy another until some major changes are made.

what is Irio thinking?