Bobsled
10-22-03, 08:20 PM
I'm looking for a healthier alternative to corn oil for general cooking. Any recommendations?
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Guest
10-22-03, 09:07 PM
Canola oil- it has less saturated fat than corn oil.
Also, there's an oil out there that's called Enola (or Enova, can't remember), and you can get it at those expensive stores like Whole Foods. That oil has like 0 fat and the news report I saw on it said that it helps people who like to cook with oil with prevention of adding on extra fat- in effect, it helps to manage your weight better. They actually TRIED to find a doctor to refute the claims made, but they could only find doctors to support it. I was impressed.
I've been using it myself, and it's helped me to keep my weight down, I think. I'm definitely seeing my clothes looser, but then again, I'm also eating a little better too.
Koffee
Also, there's an oil out there that's called Enola (or Enova, can't remember), and you can get it at those expensive stores like Whole Foods. That oil has like 0 fat and the news report I saw on it said that it helps people who like to cook with oil with prevention of adding on extra fat- in effect, it helps to manage your weight better. They actually TRIED to find a doctor to refute the claims made, but they could only find doctors to support it. I was impressed.
I've been using it myself, and it's helped me to keep my weight down, I think. I'm definitely seeing my clothes looser, but then again, I'm also eating a little better too.
Koffee
Bobsled
10-22-03, 10:54 PM
Canola oil- it has less saturated fat than corn oil.
Also, there's an oil out there that's called Enola (or Enova, can't remember), and you can get it at those expensive stores like Whole Foods. That oil has like 0 fat and the news report I saw on it said that it helps people who like to cook with oil with prevention of adding on extra fat- in effect, it helps to manage your weight better. They actually TRIED to find a doctor to refute the claims made, but they could only find doctors to support it. I was impressed.
I've been using it myself, and it's helped me to keep my weight down, I think. I'm definitely seeing my clothes looser, but then again, I'm also eating a little better too.
Koffee
Koffee,
That's what I thought about Canola, but then you see crap like this propaganda and it make you wonder (just for a second).
Link1 (http://www.karinya.com/canola.htm)
Link2 (http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/canola.htm)
I like mustard BTW. I use it instead of Mayo 99% of the time.
Also, there's an oil out there that's called Enola (or Enova, can't remember), and you can get it at those expensive stores like Whole Foods. That oil has like 0 fat and the news report I saw on it said that it helps people who like to cook with oil with prevention of adding on extra fat- in effect, it helps to manage your weight better. They actually TRIED to find a doctor to refute the claims made, but they could only find doctors to support it. I was impressed.
I've been using it myself, and it's helped me to keep my weight down, I think. I'm definitely seeing my clothes looser, but then again, I'm also eating a little better too.
Koffee
Koffee,
That's what I thought about Canola, but then you see crap like this propaganda and it make you wonder (just for a second).
Link1 (http://www.karinya.com/canola.htm)
Link2 (http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/canola.htm)
I like mustard BTW. I use it instead of Mayo 99% of the time.
Guest
10-22-03, 11:39 PM
Koffee,
That's what I thought about Canola, but then you see crap like this propaganda and it make you wonder (just for a second).
Link1 (http://www.karinya.com/canola.htm)
Link2 (http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/canola.htm)
I like mustard BTW. I use it instead of Mayo 99% of the time.
In my opinion, those links look like crap. I'm sure if I did a simple search, I'll find links that say Vitamin C is bad for you. I'm sure there are tree-hugging, whole food advocates that would say just that, then try and sell you a product that would REALLY suit your needs (hint hint).
If Canola was really that bad, it wouldn't be on the shelves. Seriously.
Remember when they said that Orbit gum caused cancer in mice and they pulled the gum back in the late 70s/early 80s? Turns out the mice had a gene that humans don't have that when combined with one of the chemicals in the gum, caused some of them to get cancer. Still, they didn't bring back Orbit gum until the mid 1990s.
Do a bit more reasearch on some valid, educated sites with respected authorities before making a decision about this kind of stuff if you're that concerned.
My 2 cents.
Koffee
That's what I thought about Canola, but then you see crap like this propaganda and it make you wonder (just for a second).
Link1 (http://www.karinya.com/canola.htm)
Link2 (http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/canola.htm)
I like mustard BTW. I use it instead of Mayo 99% of the time.
In my opinion, those links look like crap. I'm sure if I did a simple search, I'll find links that say Vitamin C is bad for you. I'm sure there are tree-hugging, whole food advocates that would say just that, then try and sell you a product that would REALLY suit your needs (hint hint).
If Canola was really that bad, it wouldn't be on the shelves. Seriously.
Remember when they said that Orbit gum caused cancer in mice and they pulled the gum back in the late 70s/early 80s? Turns out the mice had a gene that humans don't have that when combined with one of the chemicals in the gum, caused some of them to get cancer. Still, they didn't bring back Orbit gum until the mid 1990s.
Do a bit more reasearch on some valid, educated sites with respected authorities before making a decision about this kind of stuff if you're that concerned.
My 2 cents.
Koffee
cbhungry
10-22-03, 11:49 PM
here is a link debunking that crap about canola oil being dangerous.
http://www.snopes.com/toxins/canola.htm
http://www.snopes.com/toxins/canola.htm
Richard D
10-23-03, 01:56 AM
Personally I use extra virgin Olive Oil for just about anything other than frying at very high temperatures
Croak
10-23-03, 02:45 AM
Canola and extra virgin olive oils are the best, having the most beneficial ratio of mono:poly fats and relatively low triglycerides and saturated fat. Make sure they are good quality as both can become rancid rather quickly if not handled properly.
Just as an aside, the more you heat oil, the worse it becomes for you. So if you are frying, cook the dish as quickly as possible with olive or canola oil.
Oil is great for you cold over salad, especially flaxseed, fish and olive ;)
Just as an aside, the more you heat oil, the worse it becomes for you. So if you are frying, cook the dish as quickly as possible with olive or canola oil.
Oil is great for you cold over salad, especially flaxseed, fish and olive ;)
thetray
10-23-03, 09:09 AM
What about good ol' fashioned LARD?! ;) (Sorry, it's a Texan thing)
I run a restaurant, and have noticed more and more guests are starting to ask what type of oil we use in our fryers. At my restaurant, we use canola, but there are many that use 'scientificaly engineered' oils that last longer in the fryer with 'less flavor transfer'. One supplier even sells a 'butter flavored oil substitute' that is the consistency of gravy and the color of orange juice.
Another thing to look out for is anything that contains 'tropical oils'. There are some of these oils that remain in solid form at body temp.
At home I use primarily olive oil, and have stopped eating anything fried when dining out, just to be on the safe side...
I run a restaurant, and have noticed more and more guests are starting to ask what type of oil we use in our fryers. At my restaurant, we use canola, but there are many that use 'scientificaly engineered' oils that last longer in the fryer with 'less flavor transfer'. One supplier even sells a 'butter flavored oil substitute' that is the consistency of gravy and the color of orange juice.
Another thing to look out for is anything that contains 'tropical oils'. There are some of these oils that remain in solid form at body temp.
At home I use primarily olive oil, and have stopped eating anything fried when dining out, just to be on the safe side...
Stubacca
10-23-03, 09:21 AM
If you can find it, my favourite oil for a lot of cooking is macadamia nut oil. I understand that it has the highest percentage of monounsaturated fats available in cooking oils (around 80%). It has a really high smoking point too, so is great for stir-frying etc, and a light flavour that works great for a lot of cooking styles.
Most of my cooking uses either virgin or extra-virgin olive oil for mediterranean style foods, macadamia for asian and pan-asian stuff, and canola for frying.
Most of my cooking uses either virgin or extra-virgin olive oil for mediterranean style foods, macadamia for asian and pan-asian stuff, and canola for frying.
late
10-23-03, 09:27 AM
Hi,
I recently discovered grapeseed oil. Great if you want a taste lighter or subtler than olive oil. Supposed to be good for you too. I use olive for a lot of cooking, but keep a natural corn oil around for mexican, corn muffins, that sort of thing.
I recently discovered grapeseed oil. Great if you want a taste lighter or subtler than olive oil. Supposed to be good for you too. I use olive for a lot of cooking, but keep a natural corn oil around for mexican, corn muffins, that sort of thing.
Guest
10-23-03, 07:02 PM
What about good ol' fashioned LARD?! ;) (Sorry, it's a Texan thing)
I run a restaurant, and have noticed more and more guests are starting to ask what type of oil we use in our fryers. At my restaurant, we use canola, but there are many that use 'scientificaly engineered' oils that last longer in the fryer with 'less flavor transfer'. One supplier even sells a 'butter flavored oil substitute' that is the consistency of gravy and the color of orange juice.
Another thing to look out for is anything that contains 'tropical oils'. There are some of these oils that remain in solid form at body temp.
At home I use primarily olive oil, and have stopped eating anything fried when dining out, just to be on the safe side...
Does that include Crisco?
:lol:
Koff
I run a restaurant, and have noticed more and more guests are starting to ask what type of oil we use in our fryers. At my restaurant, we use canola, but there are many that use 'scientificaly engineered' oils that last longer in the fryer with 'less flavor transfer'. One supplier even sells a 'butter flavored oil substitute' that is the consistency of gravy and the color of orange juice.
Another thing to look out for is anything that contains 'tropical oils'. There are some of these oils that remain in solid form at body temp.
At home I use primarily olive oil, and have stopped eating anything fried when dining out, just to be on the safe side...
Does that include Crisco?
:lol:
Koff
DnvrFox
10-23-03, 08:11 PM
I run a restaurant
I visit Carlsbad yearly and stay at the Best Western and my wife and I do some riding along the coast.
Which restaurant do you run?
I visit Carlsbad yearly and stay at the Best Western and my wife and I do some riding along the coast.
Which restaurant do you run?
MichaelW
10-24-03, 06:03 AM
I use olive oil.
I prefer my oil to be pressed, rather than extracted by chemical solvents.
I prefer my oil to be pressed, rather than extracted by chemical solvents.
ngateguy
10-24-03, 06:54 AM
You all forgot peanut oil, any of the nut oils are generally good and they add agreat depth of flavor to whatever you are cooking.
FXjohn
10-24-03, 07:23 AM
Posted by ngateguy - 10-24-03 at 07:54 AM
You all forgot peanut oil, any of the nut oils are generally good and they add agreat depth of flavor to whatever you are cooking.
Posted by MichaelW - 10-24-03 at 07:03 AM
I use olive oil.
I prefer my oil to be pressed, rather than extracted by chemical solvents.
Peanut oil is good, usually I just use olive oil, I will add sesame oil to the skillet when i do stir fry, great flavor.
FXjohn
You all forgot peanut oil, any of the nut oils are generally good and they add agreat depth of flavor to whatever you are cooking.
Posted by MichaelW - 10-24-03 at 07:03 AM
I use olive oil.
I prefer my oil to be pressed, rather than extracted by chemical solvents.
Peanut oil is good, usually I just use olive oil, I will add sesame oil to the skillet when i do stir fry, great flavor.
FXjohn
thetray
10-24-03, 12:59 PM
I visit Carlsbad yearly and stay at the Best Western and my wife and I do some riding along the coast.
Which restaurant do you run?
I run a restaurant in San Marcos, which is about 10 miles east of Carlsbad. We're a steak house called Old California Mining Co. Come hungry...
Which restaurant do you run?
I run a restaurant in San Marcos, which is about 10 miles east of Carlsbad. We're a steak house called Old California Mining Co. Come hungry...
thetray
10-24-03, 01:01 PM
Does that include Crisco?
SURE! We could even enjoy the pure, wholesome goodness of pork fat! :p
SURE! We could even enjoy the pure, wholesome goodness of pork fat! :p
DnvrFox
10-24-03, 01:03 PM
I run a restaurant in San Marcos, which is about 10 miles east of Carlsbad. We're a steak house called Old California Mining Co. Come hungry...
Okay - we havbe enjoyed the Veracruz?? Fish House in both Carlsbad and San Marcos.
Okay - we havbe enjoyed the Veracruz?? Fish House in both Carlsbad and San Marcos.
thetray
10-24-03, 01:06 PM
Okay - we havbe enjoyed the Veracruz?? Fish House in both Carlsbad and San Marcos.
We're right across the parking lot from the San Marcos Fish house. Just look for the waterwheel!
We're right across the parking lot from the San Marcos Fish house. Just look for the waterwheel!
ngateguy
10-24-03, 02:14 PM
SURE! We could even enjoy the pure, wholesome goodness of pork fat! :p
mmmmm pork fat *drool*
mmmmm pork fat *drool*
Bobsled
11-03-03, 11:14 PM
Went to the grocery store this weekend and picked up a bottle of Canola Oil. Haven't tried it tho.
jacob
11-16-03, 07:49 AM
try it.
it's terrible
Jacob
it's terrible
Jacob
Croak
11-16-03, 07:52 AM
try it.
it's terrible
Jacob
All oil is terrible. It tastes like... oil! :D
it's terrible
Jacob
All oil is terrible. It tastes like... oil! :D
late
11-16-03, 08:13 AM
Ummmm,
taking oil straight out of the jar is prob not a good idea. Canola oil is popular because it is a light tasting oil that is healthier than some of the alternatives. The thing about fats is that they carry flavor. If you want to jazz up a dish, drop in a tablespoon or two of a good oil or butter immediately before serving (give it a quick stir). In any case, if you want BAD taste, canola doesn't even come close. Try flax or hemp oil straight out of the bottle for a genuinely unpleasant experience.
taking oil straight out of the jar is prob not a good idea. Canola oil is popular because it is a light tasting oil that is healthier than some of the alternatives. The thing about fats is that they carry flavor. If you want to jazz up a dish, drop in a tablespoon or two of a good oil or butter immediately before serving (give it a quick stir). In any case, if you want BAD taste, canola doesn't even come close. Try flax or hemp oil straight out of the bottle for a genuinely unpleasant experience.
jacob
11-16-03, 05:22 PM
or gasoline...
my point is that canola, also called **** seed oil,
is very low in a certain type of fat; therefore, when you take it, it has a different effect than olive oil.
I have had many oils without anything else, just because I did that doesn't mean it's a bad thing.
omega 3 fatty acids can be good for the brain
maybe the part of the effects of the **** seed oil I don't like is the effects on the cerebral realm.
but, of course I guess there is a place for this oil.
canola oil makes me rather tense after ingestion.
Jacob
my point is that canola, also called **** seed oil,
is very low in a certain type of fat; therefore, when you take it, it has a different effect than olive oil.
I have had many oils without anything else, just because I did that doesn't mean it's a bad thing.
omega 3 fatty acids can be good for the brain
maybe the part of the effects of the **** seed oil I don't like is the effects on the cerebral realm.
but, of course I guess there is a place for this oil.
canola oil makes me rather tense after ingestion.
Jacob
Croak
11-16-03, 07:14 PM
Ummmm,
taking oil straight out of the jar is prob not a good idea. Canola oil is popular because it is a light tasting oil that is healthier than some of the alternatives. The thing about fats is that they carry flavor. If you want to jazz up a dish, drop in a tablespoon or two of a good oil or butter immediately before serving (give it a quick stir). In any case, if you want BAD taste, canola doesn't even come close. Try flax or hemp oil straight out of the bottle for a genuinely unpleasant experience.
Oil should be consumed raw for health purposes. That is in salad dressings or taken as a 'shot'.
Hemp is no where near as bad as high lignan flax when you are at the bottom of the bottle. But neither have anything on warm fish oil... Then, half an hour later you revisit your oil experience with the dreaded fish oil burps!
It's enough to make someone want to fry their food!
taking oil straight out of the jar is prob not a good idea. Canola oil is popular because it is a light tasting oil that is healthier than some of the alternatives. The thing about fats is that they carry flavor. If you want to jazz up a dish, drop in a tablespoon or two of a good oil or butter immediately before serving (give it a quick stir). In any case, if you want BAD taste, canola doesn't even come close. Try flax or hemp oil straight out of the bottle for a genuinely unpleasant experience.
Oil should be consumed raw for health purposes. That is in salad dressings or taken as a 'shot'.
Hemp is no where near as bad as high lignan flax when you are at the bottom of the bottle. But neither have anything on warm fish oil... Then, half an hour later you revisit your oil experience with the dreaded fish oil burps!
It's enough to make someone want to fry their food!
late
11-17-03, 08:57 AM
Warm fish oil??!??!?!?? Ok, you wanna play the tough guy, eh? I am from an era when parents forced Castor Oil down their kids gullets. Not sure Castor Oil is any worse than warm (shudder) fish oil......but when you're a kid it's something out of a Stephen King movie. I have nothing against salad, but drinking oil right out f the bottle is way too masochisitic for my taste. I tried fish oil capsules once, but even they gave you burps that tasted dreadful. Don't get me wrong here; I love fish. I eat everything from sardines to sushi. But fish oil? Only at gunpoint.
nhorscro
11-17-03, 10:10 AM
Also, there's an oil out there that's called Enola (or Enova, can't remember), and you can get it at those expensive stores like Whole Foods. That oil has like 0 fat and the news report I saw on it said that it helps people who like to cook with oil with prevention of adding on extra fat- in effect, it helps to manage your weight better.
I thought oil was liquid fat, and fat was solid oil. Is it possible to have a cooking oil that is fat free without changing the definition of either oil or fat?
I thought oil was liquid fat, and fat was solid oil. Is it possible to have a cooking oil that is fat free without changing the definition of either oil or fat?
DanFromDetroit
11-17-03, 10:12 AM
Warm fish oil??!??!?!?? Ok, you wanna play the tough guy, eh? I am from an era when parents forced Castor Oil down their kids gullets.
...
I usually prefer to get my vitamins in food instead of pills; however extra Vitamin E is the exception. Just as soon as I was able to choose, I picked geltabs over grandma's Cod Liver oil.
Dan
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I usually prefer to get my vitamins in food instead of pills; however extra Vitamin E is the exception. Just as soon as I was able to choose, I picked geltabs over grandma's Cod Liver oil.
Dan
jacob
11-17-03, 12:23 PM
I thought oil was liquid fat, and fat was solid oil. Is it possible to have a cooking oil that is fat free without changing the definition of either oil or fat?
There is Olestra, an oil that passes through you without being digested and is now marketed in potato chips and such.
It says it tastes like oil, but I don't want to find out.
Jacob
(Olestera is not counted in the fat content on nutritional information labeling.)
There is Olestra, an oil that passes through you without being digested and is now marketed in potato chips and such.
It says it tastes like oil, but I don't want to find out.
Jacob
(Olestera is not counted in the fat content on nutritional information labeling.)
Croak
11-17-03, 05:52 PM
Warm fish oil??!??!?!?? Ok, you wanna play the tough guy, eh? I am from an era when parents forced Castor Oil down their kids gullets. Not sure Castor Oil is any worse than warm (shudder) fish oil......but when you're a kid it's something out of a Stephen King movie. I have nothing against salad, but drinking oil right out f the bottle is way too masochisitic for my taste. I tried fish oil capsules once, but even they gave you burps that tasted dreadful. Don't get me wrong here; I love fish. I eat everything from sardines to sushi. But fish oil? Only at gunpoint.
Fish oil is just too good for you to worry about the taste. It helps recovery, shifts partitioning in the body from fat to musclature, revs up protein synthesis, protects against some heart disease... the list goes on.
I feel getting the right balance of omega 3:omega 6 and poly:mono:saturated is one of the keys of a good diet. Everyone goes out and buys supplements but simply watching the different fats you eat and getting the right amount of each one produces results far beyond any legal supplement.
I can't believe everyone is still afraid of fat. I just read an article in Bicycling Australia about how fat is the devil... I just kept rolling my eyes ;)
Fish oil is just too good for you to worry about the taste. It helps recovery, shifts partitioning in the body from fat to musclature, revs up protein synthesis, protects against some heart disease... the list goes on.
I feel getting the right balance of omega 3:omega 6 and poly:mono:saturated is one of the keys of a good diet. Everyone goes out and buys supplements but simply watching the different fats you eat and getting the right amount of each one produces results far beyond any legal supplement.
I can't believe everyone is still afraid of fat. I just read an article in Bicycling Australia about how fat is the devil... I just kept rolling my eyes ;)
RWTD
11-17-03, 06:40 PM
I try to eat most foods in as whole and raw a state as possible.As to fats this means less refined oils and more nuts,seeds etc.(ie walnuts,flax to add omega3's) though I do take fish oil(due to other concerns) and GLA supplements and use olive oil on salads. Fruits and vegitables rarely need to be heated and if you heat other foods I would suggest using low heat methods and you can avoid using oils in the process.
Guest
11-17-03, 10:33 PM
I picked up some Enova from the store and I cook with that. Enova is expensive, but from what the doctors and dietitians on television were saying (seriously- the newspeople went to UIC and asked them what they thought of the oil), it actually does help maintain healthy weight when you are eating healthy.
The Enova is made from all-natural soy and canola oils. It's supposed to have half the saturated fat of canola oil (1 tablespoon of this stuff has .5g of saturated fat. You can check out this oil at www.enovaoil.com and see what this oil is all about. I use it for everything and I don't notice any funny tastes or anything. I actually like it- it even looks a bit lighter than canola oil, which is what I used to use.
Again, it's pretty costly ($5.99 per bottle), but I think it's well worth the cost.
Koffee
P.S. If you think the price is a bit much, wait until it goes on sale, then buy as much as you can... I'm on my way to the store tomorrow to stock up, as it's on sale there until Wednesday.
The Enova is made from all-natural soy and canola oils. It's supposed to have half the saturated fat of canola oil (1 tablespoon of this stuff has .5g of saturated fat. You can check out this oil at www.enovaoil.com and see what this oil is all about. I use it for everything and I don't notice any funny tastes or anything. I actually like it- it even looks a bit lighter than canola oil, which is what I used to use.
Again, it's pretty costly ($5.99 per bottle), but I think it's well worth the cost.
Koffee
P.S. If you think the price is a bit much, wait until it goes on sale, then buy as much as you can... I'm on my way to the store tomorrow to stock up, as it's on sale there until Wednesday.