Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - Why do fixed gear riders only put an aerospoke wheel on the front?

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klepton
03-18-08, 02:48 PM
pretty simple question...i ride a cannondale converted fixed gear and can skid pretty well. i've been watching youtube videos and notice a lot of riders have it only on the front...

too costly?
better for tricks?


fetch
03-18-08, 02:49 PM
kewl

dayvan cowboy
03-18-08, 02:49 PM
image.


Oh No
03-18-08, 02:49 PM
they dont. thread over.

operator
03-18-08, 02:50 PM
Use the search function PLEASE

jim-bob
03-18-08, 02:50 PM
Why do fixed gear riders only put an aerospoke wheel on the front?

"monkey see, monkey do"

Gyeswho
03-18-08, 02:51 PM
I wonder that myself but then some complain the rear is too flexy. I don't mind since I got the set for strength (and kool factor)

ahand
03-18-08, 03:00 PM
simple.
they look cool.

nathbdp
03-18-08, 03:00 PM
If I thought they cared about anything but looks, I'd say an aerodynamic front wheel is more beneficial than having one on the rear, where he seat tube already disrupts the air flow.

oadamy
03-18-08, 03:02 PM
because a track-specific rear aerospoke is harder to come by than a front one that's compatible with everything?

auk
03-18-08, 03:05 PM
Don't be fooled, the Aerospokes are the farthest thing from aero that you can get.

Oh No
03-18-08, 03:06 PM
not really

ahand
03-18-08, 03:11 PM
not at all.

dobber
03-18-08, 03:12 PM
They look stupid on both front and back.

Velocità
03-18-08, 03:18 PM
because it makes it easier to throw a stick into

Build your own
03-18-08, 03:19 PM
Here we go again...

jim-bob
03-18-08, 03:21 PM
Here we go again...

Man, you've been here a while. Must've seen it all.

TehK
03-18-08, 03:24 PM
Man, you've been here a while. Must've seen it all.

Bwahaha!

akaio
03-18-08, 03:35 PM
More aero advantage up front, but considering most people riding with them are in jeans and a tshirt it doesnt help them. I think earlier on it was because messengers could lock up easier than with normal spokes. But at this point its because it is what everyone else does.

Build your own
03-18-08, 03:39 PM
Man, you've been here a while. Must've seen it all.

No,not really.Just a few of those beautifull disagreements on a certain compositematerial product;)

jjh
03-18-08, 03:41 PM
very simple...we have all become sheep

hazylines
03-18-08, 03:45 PM
More aero advantage up front, but considering most people riding with them are in jeans and a tshirt it doesnt help them. I think earlier on it was because messengers could lock up easier than with normal spokes. But at this point its because it is what everyone else does.

Someone prolly got one for cheap and started rocking it on the street cause it was unique and kinda cool(much like when people started riding track bikes on the streets). Then peeps copied said person.

nathbdp
03-18-08, 03:52 PM
Hmm... reminds me of http://youtube.com/watch?v=ozh1y7zI0r8

thenewblk
03-18-08, 03:57 PM
because you go 43-58% faster, and it is much better for hills and crosswinds. don't let the hate and sarcasm on this thread get to you.

bexley
03-18-08, 04:07 PM
lay down those percentages! yea!

Gyeswho
03-18-08, 04:53 PM
i like them for the added weight training as well

Wotan
03-18-08, 05:53 PM
Hmm... reminds me of http://youtube.com/watch?v=ozh1y7zI0r8


There's no "on" in the title of that song.

mnkymits
03-18-08, 06:21 PM
i thought someone would have answered this correctly by now but i guess i have to-

to put it simply, spokecards.

fetch
03-18-08, 06:29 PM
insert:

i got em back in 2002 when it was like cheaper than a complete wheel built up.

i remember seeing that reason

TheScientist
03-18-08, 06:53 PM
Because they don't fit on the back..
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg62/IverTheScientist/bobmaskReflection.jpg

kemmer
03-18-08, 11:39 PM
^^^They come in a variety of sizes...
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/Kemmer/aerospokehighwheeler.jpg

malicine
03-19-08, 12:18 AM
very simple...we have all become sheep
speak for yourself :)

deadforkinglast
03-19-08, 12:29 AM
because you go 43-58% faster, and it is much better for hills and crosswinds. don't let the hate and sarcasm on this thread get to you.

They're not better for climbing because when you climb, weight is more important than aerodynamics (within reason, of course). They might be better for descending, if you descend fast.

They suck for crosswinds because they catch the wind, much like sails. When riding with a crosswind, they can make it much more difficult to ride a line. This is why they are not allowed in the peloton in road racing events. The riders are too unstable to handle tightly enough to not be a risk to each other. They might be better in a direct headwind.

It seems to me that "aero" designs are, because of their weight, a little more difficult to get up to speed, but because of their aerodynamic designs, are better for maintaining it. If you ride in a city all the time, you don't really get to maintain high enough speeds for an aero wheel to matter (30+ mph) for extended periods of time. They seem to me like a major disadvantage sometimes, especially if you live in a windy city, but obviously, a lot of people get by just fine on them. If you like the way they look and don't mind the drawbacks, then do it. I don't think that (in real-world, non-race conditions) they give any performance advantage whatsoever, though.

Betoyjesus
03-19-08, 02:44 AM
They look sweet. Cheaper than hed and easier to get than spinergys on ebay. Apparently no one has ever bought the rear wheel, or maybe their more expensive.

jussik
03-19-08, 03:04 AM
They look sweet. Cheaper than hed and easier to get than spinergys on ebay. Apparently no one has ever bought the rear wheel, or maybe their more expensive.

What? Velospace is full of idiots with Arrospok in the rear.

But hey, I actually agree they look kinda cool when spinning.

MrCjolsen
03-19-08, 03:44 AM
How come I don't see roadies putting them on their Sevens, Merlins, and Disco Treks?

jussik
03-19-08, 03:54 AM
http://i1.ebayimg.com/08/i/000/e0/42/5530_1.JPG

MrCjolsen
03-19-08, 04:01 AM
OK. There's one.

Maybe people are only putting them on the front because they're afraid their bikes will look like this:

http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/03/86/75/16/0003867516206_500X500.jpg

jussik
03-19-08, 04:07 AM
I just had to post that pic. He looks so happy. :rolleyes:

But my baby daughter NEEDS that bike you posted...

frankstoneline
03-19-08, 04:35 AM
So, as a serious answer...
People tend to not use aerospokes in the rear because the hub has a tendency to break loose when torque is applied in the reverse direction, as it is when one skip or skid stops.

parkerlewis
03-19-08, 04:37 AM
Maybe they remind us of bmx/80's styling. I never had one, and think they are too heavy, but they are
so damn cheap, and I do like the look of them. They might be played out on internet forums, but for example, on the streets of Osaka, or Tokyo they are really quite rare. I only know of maybe 3 bikes in Osaka with an aerospoke. I am sure it is much different in USA where they are made, and sold for so cheap.

frankstoneline
03-19-08, 05:18 AM
Maybe they remind us of bmx/80's styling. I never had one, and think they are too heavy, but they are
so damn cheap, and I do like the look of them. They might be played out on internet forums, but for example, on the streets of Osaka, or Tokyo they are really quite rare. I only know of maybe 3 bikes in Osaka with an aerospoke. I am sure it is much different in USA where they are made, and sold for so cheap.

They arent that cheap, I mean, you can get a very decent spoked wheelset for the price of just a front 'spoke.

Gyeswho
03-19-08, 06:25 AM
the rear used to slip on me but I sent it back to them to fix the issue. It's been a couple of months and no issues with the slippage. I think it's weird to have one instead of both but I like to keep the bike symmetrical. I enjoy the set even if they are heavy (I think lighter riders complain more about them since they'd notice it more but I'm 180lbs. After a hard ride I feel like I put in a lot of extra work which isn't a bad thing to me.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gyeswho/2316128163/sizes/o/

hudsong
03-19-08, 08:28 AM
39.5% of statistics are completely fabricated.

jdms mvp
03-19-08, 08:30 AM
because the rear's will explode upon installation

captsven
03-19-08, 08:48 AM
...how many fixed gear riders does it take to bolt on an aerospoke?

sp00ki
03-19-08, 09:08 AM
the same reason they all wear messenger bags.

MrCjolsen
03-19-08, 09:35 AM
They are freakin' expensive and freakin' heavy. I think the rear weighs almost as much as the touring wheel that have on the back of my 27 speed Surly Crosscheck.

In Bicycling magazine, a while back they had a story about some wind tunnel experiments done at MIT that were cycling specific. What they found is that a triathlete or time trialist is better off dropping a few hundred on an aerodynamic helmet than dropping a few thousand on a Zipp wheelset.

sp00ki
03-19-08, 11:52 AM
that was an awesome article.


Most people don't realize that a nonaero helmet creates four times the drag of a nonaero wheelset. So you can spend two thousand dollars on a wheelset, or spend two hundred on a helmet and be faster. How you put your race number on matters more than having an aero wheel; today, we glued on our numbers to get them to fit flatter. Then there's water bottle placement: On a round-tubed frame, having a bottle on your seat tube is more aerodynamic than not having one at all, and it's much more aero than putting it on the down tube. And wearing gloves in a time trial will slow you down more than using a nonaero front wheel.

http://www.bicycling.com/article/1,6610,s1-3-12-14995-1,00.html

MrCjolsen
03-19-08, 12:05 PM
According to Jobst Brandt, bladed and radial laced spokes are a waste of money as well. The bottom line is that the wheel is relatively small in terms of the amount of frontal mass it creates.