Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - "Cycling & Track Racing, Vegan Style"

http://cycling.thenoisies.com/

An unrelated search landed the above site in my google search results.
Some of the articles are pretty interesting (http://cycling.thenoisies.com/2005/02/lactic-acid-your-misunderstood-friend.asp) for those with any interest in vegan lifestyles in conjunction with cycling.

(other than that, though, it's mostly just a blog kept by a pseudo sponsored vegan track cyclist)

I remember passing this site a while ago and deciding not to browse it since I'm annoyed by sites that would be better off in non-blog form. But I'm glad to revisit it and actually read some of its material.


Lactic acid is my friend. It helps to make my legs bend. Not so great is hydrogen. It helps to eat my veggies then.Hah. This guy is...interesting.



A vegan side note: it turns out that this myth was created by our old foe vivisection (aka animal testing). In 1929 Archibald V. Hill would flex frog muscles to fatigue, and noticed at that point lactic acid was formed and declared it the enemy. Stupid vivisector!That's a telling anecdote. The predominant method of learning about life--by killing it and observing it in an inanimate state--has led to so many misconceived theories, and lots persist because doubts that arise from outside the mainstream of science have trouble debunking anything that came from/entered the mainstream. Now, this lactic acid myth should disappear quickly since there's so many practical reasons for the (more) correct theory to be embraced.

I recently listened to a great discussion (from CBC Radio, the "Ideas" series) with a biologist who goes pretty far in his views against the typical practices of biological science. As crackpot as you may take his quasi-theories to be, his logic and observations of the sciences in general are insightful:
http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/media/science/episode-9-sheldrake.ram

veganism is vegetable murder.

"During anaerobic glycolysis ..."

BUT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycolysis, "Production of pyruvate for the citric acid cycle as part of aerobic respiration"

huh?
http://www.gpnotebook.co.uk/simplepage.cfm?ID=859111481

veganism is vegetable murder.

clever :rolleyes:

huh?
http://www.gpnotebook.co.uk/simplepage.cfm?ID=859111481

My bio book lies.
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http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/media/scienc...-sheldrake.ram

LOL, bearded chemist, first time I am hearing most of this.

a lot of these articles are pretty interesting. vegan yay.

veganism is unsustainable.

vegan straps ****ing suck.

Vegan badass.

http://www.mollycameron.com/

veganism is unsustainable.

would you care to back this up?

he's going on the premise that vegan = toxic alternatives to leather being thrown in landfills.
i'd advise not to pay him any mind.

Oh awesome - another vegan argument!

i just realized i've been vegan for 6 years. holy ****.

my mom's a vegan... it sucks.

man, freegan is the best.

People aren't meant to be vegans, our natural diet included meat.

People aren't meant to be vegans, our natural diet included meat.

Arguments about this are some of the most pointless ever. No one is gonna go start eating meat because someone on the internet told them their diet is unnatural. Humans are smart enough to be able to make the choice what they want to eat and if their morals think using animals for food is wrong who cares.

Animals have two jobs - be delicious and fit well.

Arguments about this are some of the most pointless ever. No one is gonna go start eating meat because someone on the internet told them their diet is unnatural. Humans are smart enough to be able to make the choice what they want to eat and if their morals think using animals for food is wrong who cares.

So animals have been eating other animals for millions and millions of years, but all the sudden it's "immoral"?

Sure you could inject yourself with nutrients and eat white mush for every meal and live, but jesus, why?

Animals have two jobs - be delicious and fit well.

Finally a GOOD argument against veganism.

Question: Is it possible for an animal to fit well AND taste good? Or does the genetic modification for one automatically preclude the other? Not that there's anything wrong with killing two different animals to get food and clothing.

p&r

So animals have been eating other animals for millions and millions of years, but all the sudden it's "immoral"?

Sure you could inject yourself with nutrients and eat white mush for every meal and live, but jesus, why?

You are now my new least-favorite poster. I mean ****, are you 12? Just go the **** away.

Finally a GOOD argument against veganism.

Question: Is it possible for an animal to fit well AND taste good? Or does the genetic modification for one automatically preclude the other? Not that there's anything wrong with killing two different animals to get food and clothing.

Yes, I beleive it possible for a single animal to meet both needs. I am sure that I have worn leather shoes while eating a fillet from the same carcass.

So animals have been eating other animals for millions and millions of years, but all the sudden it's "immoral"?

Sure you could inject yourself with nutrients and eat white mush for every meal and live, but jesus, why?

We invented "moral". We decide what it is. We developed to a certain point where we were able to reason logically. This reasoning process has led many to the idea that killing animals simply for the sake of nutrition, when other sources are easily available, is unnecessary.

A lion can't decide that it isn't going to eat meat anymore. It doesn't have the ability to support itself long term on any other diet. We do.

As for nutrients and white mush, I don't use or eat either and I ride hard and have fun (I'm probably one of the least healthy vegans you could find actually). And if you look at any "professional" athlete, vegan or not, a large portion of their day is spent taking supplements and eating unappetizing food.

p&r

So animals have been eating other animals for millions and millions of years, but all the sudden it's "immoral"?

Sure you could inject yourself with nutrients and eat white mush for every meal and live, but jesus, why?

there is a big difference between going and catching your meal and farming animals for food

you're dense dude

p&r

The thing is, this topic shouldn't be for P&R. It just so happens that it's actually relevant here, and there could be fruitful discussion. Unfortunately, as with any thread mentioning the word "vegan," within ten or fifteen posts, a bunch of insecure chest-thumpers show up only to derail the conversation by telling us all how great animals taste and how many of them they eat, how eating meat is the only natural diet, and how vegan goods are somehow more harmful to animals and the earth as leather is.

It's just trolling, and it should all be deleted.

damn. i'm gonna eat meat and drive a mazda now. thank you enlightening bikeforums!

**** yeah!!

damn. i'm gonna eat meat and drive a mazda now. thank you enlightening bikeforums!

**** yeah!!

Don't forget to boast about your job as a pizza delivery driver, where you make $100-per-night.

^ You can thank me later

Don't forget to boast about your job as a pizza delivery driver, where you make $100-per-night.
Shouldn't you be busy pointing guns at cars?

People aren't meant to be vegans, our natural diet included meat.

Guh... there are lots of decent reasons not to be vegan. This is absolutely the worst one. I assume that you mean that evolution meant for us to eat meat, not god- But evolution isn't a person, and didn't really have a game plan in mind when, uh, he? uh, gave? us k-9's.

Shouldn't you be busy pointing guns at cars?

Further proof that you need to work on your reading comprehension. "Dense," doesn't begin to describe it.

not moving this thread to p&r is murder

of course!!

http://www.plan59.com/images/JPGs/meat47hands01.jpg

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http://www.tubafrenzy.org/weblog/archives/108-0807_IMG-thumb.JPG

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http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/tipping-pizza-guy-a.gif

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http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/123073/2111953/2123768/050823_HundredDollarBills_e.jpg

cha ching!!!1

so in review:
vegan blogs can be fun and informative, mazdaspeed is still a clueless redneck, picture posts are funny, and bikes rule!

(i threw that last part in so the topic doesn't get locked)

^indeed.

zoom zoom

Don't you hate it when you don't know if a thread is going to be an inane funny thread or a serious debate thread and you either spend time developing a witty and funny comeback or a knowledgeable and stinging retort only to have the thread swing the other way?

yeah, me too.

i'm right there with you, broseph. seriously though, hang in there. You never know-- it's only page two.

man, freegan is the best.

I will not let capatilism control my consumption or my ethics on eating flesh or wearing it.

Freeganism is a lod of sh it.


I've been a vegan cyclist for the last 4 years, atleast. I've also worked full time for like the last 4 years as a courier. I've never had any problems. People wanting to talk **** on a vegan lifestyle really don't have anything better to do apparently.

has nothing to do with landfills ma dude. factory farming is immoral, eating meat is not.

i say that veganism is not sustainable because it requires so much to be healthy. there is no record of there ever being any vegan indigenous groups, ever. Hell, inuits are almost 100% carnivorous. The definition of sustainable is that you can do the same thing, in the same way, for basically eternity. Vegetable farming still uses insane amounts of water, insane amounts of oil (pesticides, tractors, etc) and then you add the packaging and transportation? that's not sustainable. it's also not taking into account the animals that die during the harvesting, transportation, or the clearcutting required to farm period.

So, really, a hunter-gatherer lifestyle is much more moral than modern omnivore, vegetarian, or vegan diets. If your main reasons for veganism are animal rights, you have to accept that veganism still causes countless deaths.

If you want to take a real high road, keep going to the farmers market, but instead of heading to safeway after for boca burgers, pick up some of that wild hand caught salmon or hunted elk.

But yeah, humans and non-humans have been eating eachother since the dawn of time. It's natural, and it's good. The fundamental predator prey relationship must be followed though. You must exchange respect for flesh. The plains indians of america were not immoral in focusing their life and culture on the buffalo, the whites were in slaughtering them.

^ - That argument is stupid for a variety of reasons that I'll let other people detail.

How is it stupid, could a vegan survive in a survival situation?

You need to think about the energy used to acquire energy.

^ - That argument is stupid for a variety of reasons that I'll let other people detail. vegan or not, civilization destroys biodiversity while indigenous hunter-gatherer cultures often actually benefit the biodiversity of their surrounding ecosystems. i dont care if you believe me, just wait and see what happens.

living in america is not sustainable. discuss.

^ - That argument is stupid for a variety of reasons that I'll let other people detail.

are you waiting for someone to say that its not possible for everyone to go hunter-gatherer? because its also not possible for everyone to go vegan, there's just not enough oil and farmland and farmers and money.


living in civilization is not sustainable. discuss.
fixed

living is not sustainable. discuss.

fixed again!

newsflash:
corn/hay/feed can be grown without pesticides or water.

crazy, but it's true. ask zelah, he'll tell you how it works.