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pengyou
 
..when it was stolen last Sunday :( I had purchased a $ 200 electric bike, 24" wheels, 240 watt motor 48 volt battery. At 95 pounds it was a heavy sucker but rode like a dream because of the weight. Still, the quality of the bike was poor. At only 4 months old I have already replaced the throttle, the rear lights, the brakes, one mirror and probably a couple of other things I can't remember at the moment. Still, I learned a lot about ebikes from the experience - nothing like jumping in and getting your feet wet!

For round two...I have been looking at some used folding bikes. They are Japanese made and do not seem to be any famous brand but the frames look well made. They look suitable to practice on. I am only looking at options that have 20" wheels.

Since I have not posted here in a while I should tell you, my purpose is to create a vehicle that can be ridden about 6 miles to a train station/airport, rolled onto a train or checked into a plane and then ridden at least 30 miles after I get to the train station or airport. (Total distance around 40 miles) I am hoping for 25 mph without peddling. I will do some sort of Lithiumxx battery.

Two of the bikes, in particular, seem more suited for a conversion.

My questions:

1. Which company makes the lightest weight (but hopefully, still good quality) 500 watt hub motor? Also keep in mind, it will be a 20" wheel, I am guessing the hub size is going to be smaller. What is a reasonable weight to expect? I would probably get by with a 350 watt motor.

2. Do you have any links for folding bike conversions that have used a standard motor/chain combo? All the bikes I have seen have used hub motors, either placed in the rear or up front. (Up front would be a dream)

3. Is it easy to change parts on these kinds of bikes? The handlebar and stem have rusted a bit...the bike is showing signs of being stored outdoors and not cared for. It has a 5 speed cassette, something hard to find in a used folding bike.

4. What would you recommend for brakes? It comes with rim brakes which would probably be fine if I were not adding a motor but I am afraid that with the extra speed I would need something with more power. My first thought was to put a disk up front and then a drum on the rear, or vice versa. I have never ridden a bike with a disk brake but my ebike had a rear drum that could lock the wheel (if I was not careful) at full speed. It has very predictable and dependable performance.

5. Have you ever seen some kind of attachment to a drum brake that would allow the brake to be locked in the engaged position - serving like an emergency brake in a car and also helping to deter theft?

6. I have ridden some folding bikes, and after adjusting a bit I have found them very enjoyable. The one thing i don't like is the straight mountain bike type handle bars. I would prefer handlebars shaped more like the bars on a beach bike that help me sit upright more. I know that this kind of mod might interfere with folding...any thoughts?

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.



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Abneycat
 
Damn, too bad about the theft. Well, i'll try and provide some input..

1. Watts are not born equal, so its hard to say what would give you the best performance. Unfortunately, the lighter motors are all quite a bit more expensive than their heavier brothers. The Nano motor might be the lightest, but its hardly a performer, and carries a pretty big price tag. The Nano motor comes in at about 2.2kg, making it *very* light.

BionX is from what I can tell, a popular choice for folding conversions (i've seen several of these on here, and a company JVBike sells Dahon folders pre-built with these). The 350w motor is about 4kg. Unfortunately, BionX kits start at about $1k

Heinzmann motors are also fairly low weight, and they're the most powerful of the three - but they'll probably carry the biggest price tag.

3. That depends on the brand of bike. On some of these folders, you can at least contact the manufacturer or a dealer and get replacement parts. The handlebar should be a standard bicycle component, it would be the (presumably fold-down) stem that you would need to find out about. Personally, I think if the bikes are in rough shape you might be better off going with something you can rely on and know you can find parts for.

4. What kind of rim brakes? Cantilever? Side/dual pull road brakes? Linear/V-brakes?
Any decent brake is going to stop you. The "extra speed" of an e-bike is relative - road cyclists will regularily exceed e-bike speeds by quite a bit, and its quite easy to pull 50kph+ down a hill. Brakes are already designed to work well in these instances given that they're set up properly - but not all brakes are created equal either, naturally.

You could see if your folder has (or could take) Linear pull brakes.

http://www.jensonusa.com/store/imgWrapper.aspx?img=/br/br702a02.jpg&type=2

This style of rim brake is quite powerful and will work very well. You could get some koolstop style all weather brake pads so that they would be reliable in varying conditions.

5. Not an attachment to the brake, but there are some brake levers which have a locked position on them, typically so you can set the bike up against a wall or what-have-you, and not have it roll and fall over.

6. I can't help you there. Different folders fold in different ways, some have more clearance than others. You could certainly do it, but no guarauntee you would be able to enjoy the fold in the same way. You could get a bike with a stem that would let you adjust handlebar angle, you might be able to move the handlebars into the right spot to allow you to still fold doing so, and move them back when you unfold.


BroadwayJoe
 
Sorry to hear about the theft - people steal. I love the Panasonic drive system and if I could read Japanese better I would learn more about these:

http://www.panabyc.co.jp/products/electric/index.html


pengyou
 
Yes, the Japanese have some good electric bikes. I have seen some of those on ur link for sale here in the second hand market. Unfortunateliy they do not have any second hand folding ebikes. Their bikes are well designed and elegant. Everything flows...the people I know who have one think they are great and very durable.

Yes, it would be better to save my pennies up for a nice aluminum Dahon but that will be a while and I need to travel long distances every day, 25-30 miles. I am not in very good shape to do that on a bike. I think if I had an ebike that I could actually pedal I would pedal to make it go faster and would start to get the benefit of exercise. My last bike could be pedaled but it had a very low gear and could only go 2-3 mph pedaling :(

Thanks for the advice...the only thing that is haunting me now...I really want to put the motor on the front fork and hang the battery from the tube in the middle...would balance the bike nicely.


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