Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - velocity fusions vs mavic open pro

i need new rims. basically my phil wood wheelset is way too heavy for me. I've got deep vs that i want to replace. I thought about going to fusions (had them before). I need strength and lightness and the open pros are lighter. i just need to know if they're as strong as fusions. if anyone has had both, which did they like? I ride/climb hills and city streets so aero isnt important to me.

what about aeroheads ?

yeah what about aeroheads

what about aeroheads ?

my wife's got them, but i weigh 230 and abuse my bikes. i think they're not strong enough but i may be wrong. they are the lightest.

I've ridden fusions, aeroheads and open pros. In my experience, mavic (OP and CXP22) have been the most durable. I've had almost every one of my velocity rims develop significant sidewall dents from pothole trauma, but the mavics keep going. I doubt I'll ever buy another velocity rim.

Been riding pretty much everything. Open pros are another league of rims. They are welded, and have double eyelet reinforcements which make them stronger than the fusions.

50 grams heavier than the open pros and the same weight as the fusions you have the cxp33, which is noticeable stronger than open pro and fusion. Without comparison the most durable rim i have ever ridden.

my wife's got them, but i weigh 230 and abuse my bikes. i think they're not strong enough but i may be wrong. they are the lightest.

Just a quick note on aero rims, they actually weighs a few gram more than the open pros.

Just a quick note on aero(head?) rims, they actually weighs a few gram more than the open pros.

wrong. (http://weightweenies.starbike.com/listings/components.php?type=rims)

If you mean aero's then yeah, but not what the convo is about.

edit: to the OP, consider DT 1.1 or 1.2 (little heavier.) Never had 'em but reviews are awesome.

edit: to the OP, consider DT 1.1 or 1.2 (little heavier.) Never had 'em but reviews are awesome.

I think those DT swiss 1.2s are actually even heavier than deep v. but yeah nice looking wheels. i don't know much about the 1.1s but i read 2 bad reviews and that was enough. Fusions are only a little lighter. I really think I'll be getting the OP cds for an all-black light yet strong wheelset. I just thought I'd ask 1 last time so that if anyone thought the OPs were weak they could say.

i don't know much about the 1.1s but i read 2 bad reviews and that was enough.

I love the internet. Yikes.

wrong. (http://weightweenies.starbike.com/listings/components.php?type=rims)

If you mean aero's then yeah, but not what the convo is about.

edit: to the OP, consider DT 1.1 or 1.2 (little heavier.) Never had 'em but reviews are awesome.

My mistake.

I actually was talking about the aerohead. As your own link states they weigh app. the same. I have had them on my own scale, and the aerohead was a few grams heavier.

but i weigh 230 and abuse my bikes.

It sounds like wheels might not be the place to shave some weight ;)

I'm only half joking. On 250lbs of rider and bike a pound or so won't make an appreciable difference and if the issue is climbing and spinning up to speed, I bet 1 gear inch would make a much bigger difference than 1 lb on the rims. Just something to think about.

I've got no experience with the Fusion, but I built a set of Open Pro 32 spoke 3x wheels for my Soma Rush. They've seen some hard bumps, lotsa potholes, gone up a few curbs and even been ridden under-inflated over the past couple of years, and they've never even needed a minor truing. Fore reference I weigh 200, and cary a pretty heavy bag. If you're really worried about it build 36 spoke wheels, but the 32s have been good for me.

I love the internet. Yikes.
Well, if you know something about DT Swiss 1.1s, go ahead and enlighten us.

Internet or not (print media, word of mouth, etc). If I hear plural legitimate-sounding problems with a product, I move on to the many other choices. Also, if I hear or read differently later, I reconsider. I did that even before the internet.

Well, I asked the head mech at my shop for a nicer alternative to aeroheads to lace up to Dura-Atchee hubs and he suggested. . .wait for it. . .1.1's!

So now you've heard 1 positive one.

Well, I asked the head mech at my shop for a nicer alternative to aeroheads to lace up to Dura-Atchee hubs and he suggested. . .wait for it. . .1.1's!

So now you've heard 1 positive one.

The problems i read about the 1.1s were about cracking eyelets. did you end up using those?

Mavic CXP 33s are ****ing bombproof.

The problems i read about the 1.1s were about cracking eyelets. did you end up using those?

I asked about 5 days ago. I don't even have the hubs purchased yet.

I'll let ya know next summer though ;)

now that someone has mentioned them, how are the aeros (not the aeroheads)?

other than being a nice looking rim.

Open Pro or DT Swiss RR 1.1 are the best options in a non-aero or deep rim.

It sounds like wheels might not be the place to shave some weight ;)

I'm only half joking. On 250lbs of rider and bike a pound or so won't make an appreciable difference and if the issue is climbing and spinning up to speed, I bet 1 gear inch would make a much bigger difference than 1 lb on the rims. Just something to think about.

+1. But even 200 grams/ 1/2 lb saved will represent a dramatic reduction in rim burliness. That's the difference between a set of A719s (Mavic's nicest heavy duty loaded touring/ trekking/ 29er rims, about 560 gms each) and a set of open pros (450 grams each). At your weight, 1/2 lb is around two tenths of one percent of your total bike and rider weight. Adding whatever you're carrying on your back, water bottles, etc makes it even less.

And that's a far larger drop in weight than what youre thinking of. The difference between your current set of deep vs (500 grams each) and a set of open pros is only 100 grams. So, what youre proposing is a weight reduction of somewhere under a tenth of 1%. I dunno if losing that will get you up the hills much faster, but it will probably make your wheels substantially weaker.

Very well stated. I wish you got the OP weight right, though.

Very well stated. I wish you got the OP weight right, though.

:) Hooters weighs 230, and his bike weighs somewhere around 20---that's where I'm getting the 250 figure.

Ambrosio Excellence.

http://www.ambrosiospa.com/catalog_eng/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=57

I've heard some horror stories about sudden sidewall failure on the Ambrosio Excellence rims.

:) Hooters weighs 230, and his bike weighs somewhere around 20---that's where I'm getting the 250 figure.

Oops, I meant that op's weigh 425 advertised. Sorry for the ambiguity.

+1. But even 200 grams/ 1/2 lb saved will represent a dramatic reduction in rim burliness. That's the difference between a set of A719s (Mavic's nicest heavy duty loaded touring/ trekking/ 29er rims, about 560 gms each) and a set of open pros (450 grams each). At your weight, 1/2 lb is around two tenths of one percent of your total bike and rider weight. Adding whatever you're carrying on your back, water bottles, etc makes it even less.

And that's a far larger drop in weight than what youre thinking of. The difference between your current set of deep vs (500 grams each) and a set of open pros is only 100 grams. So, what youre proposing is a weight reduction of somewhere under a tenth of 1%. I dunno if losing that will get you up the hills much faster, but it will probably make your wheels substantially weaker.

As you already probably know, wheel weight is much more noticable than any other place on the bike. Any weight saved in tires, wheels, tubes, rims... anything is VERY noticeable. For example, I already switched out my 28mm tires for 25s and it made a very nice difference immediately.

So the 100 grams saved on open pros over Deep Vs represents 20% of the rim weight. Thats nice. Also, I'm not trying to get up a hill faster, I want to make my day to day riding that 20% more enjoyable. Sorta like when I finally switched out the heavy IRO fork for a carbon one... I was so glad and biking was fun again.

Deep Vs are Heavy Duty, and I don't need quite that heavy. My Mavic Ellipses take my curb hoping and potholes like a champ. They never go out of true (in spite of my weight). They are not known as heavy duty. When I get off that bike with the Ellipses and get on the bike with the Deep Vs, its a bummer. The Deep V IRO bike is heavy and sluggish. BTW It wasn't like that before (when I once had Fusions and a lighter hub). Everyone seems to think Open Pros are indestructable. I'll go with them for something new.

But I do agree with you that maybe the extra weight is something of a positive. Maybe I can also do something else for my heavy IRO bike and wheelset. I like the suggestion from huerro to change my gear ratio to an inch easier. Maybe thats what I need to also do. I run over 79 gear inches on it now. Perhaps 74 inches (by changing to a 16T cog) is better.

Oops, I meant that op's weigh 425 advertised. Sorry for the ambiguity.

Ahh, noted. The figure for OP CD's (which are indeed 450) is the first thing that comes up on a google search.

Yeah Hooters, 79 gi is damn high for hill climbing. If I had to lift 250 pounds up a hill with that ratio I'd definitely feel sluggish.

I'm building my next wheelset with OPs too.

I'll take the open pros.

i have open pro CDs laced to paul hubs.

i love them