Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - damn..I love my hubs

just went on my first ride with my new DA HF 7600 hubs and what a big difference it is from my cheap IRO/Formula hubs that my Jamie Roy comes with.

damn..it's just so astroglide smooth. it just rolls and rolls. can't wax enough lyrical about it. I am a firm believer now that you should buy the best hubs you can afford and you should never skimp on a hub. you do go faster and stop with less effort.

the best part is that it just cost me 200 bucks for the hubs and labour using my old rims and spokes.


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:roflmao:You coulda changed your bearings for less than $20 and had the same effect.

the rolling weight of it still can't be compared to the DA.

cheers

...and stop with less effort.

Ok, maybe you are able to feel the difference in drag between tho two hubs but please explain how they make it possible to stop faster.

back pedalling is smoother too and like I mentioned the rolling resistant is less. thus I can stop with less resistance than before.

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Ok, maybe you are able to feel the difference in drag between tho two hubs but please explain how they make it possible to stop faster.

Same reasoning that make the minuscule difference in weight a factor. Come on folks, you're simply trying to justify your purchase with arcane reasoning. If you want them, if you like them, if you can afford them, fine. Let's not try and pretend they're going to make some huge difference.

it does make a whole lot of difference. try it. it's just so so smooth.

it's just like my changing of alloy rims for my car from the OEM steel rims. lighter...less rolling resistance and more fuel economy.

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If you think it will make you faster, it will make you faster.

it's just like my changing of alloy rims for my car from the OEM steel rims. lighter...less rolling resistance and more fuel economy.

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TAKE A PHYSICS CLASS. PLEASE.

Not less rolling resistance...less unsprung weight.

Not less rolling resistance...less unsprung weight.

oops sorry. my bad

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what rims did u lace them to?

you had steel rims? lol

TAKE A PHYSICS CLASS. PLEASE.

why? please enlighten.

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no problem. Also the bearing performance of your loose ball DA hubs is highly dependent on which grease used, cone adjustment, and wear. Truth be known, if you ride in the rain the yellow Shimano grease will weep out quickly and leave you with crunchy bearings where the Formulas will feel the same after quite a few rain rides. Six of one...

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my new DA HF 7600 hubs...[whilst] using my old rims and spokes...go faster and stop with less effort...[than] my cheap IRO/Formula hubs.

Since your experiment is focused on hubs and bearings only and not the rotational inertia of new rims, we can deduce that you have succumbed to the placebo effect. Belief makes people do weird things.

Increased bearing resistance = easier to stop. You can't have it both ways.

I love my $350 hubs too.

The effects you are feeling are almost entirely psychosomatic. It's no different than the guys on the road forum who buy a new bottle cage that's 10 grams lighter than their old one, and suddenly they beat their best loop time by 2.3 seconds.

Dura Ace makes great hubs though, I'm sure you'll enjoy them. Make sure you ride by the shop and buy yourself two cone wrenches (15mm, I believe) and some grease, since you'll be repacking these things pretty often.

My new hubs have given me the ability to actually fly!

I can dig on new hubs feeling nice and smooth and making you feel faster, but I can't see how they affect your stopping power. Usually when I go faster it takes longer to stop.

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I love my $350 hubs too.


if you paid $350 for dura ace hubs you got HOSED!

NOS 1973 Campagnolo Nuovo Record Pista. Pure Fashion, hoser! But this thread isn't about me. We'll start a new one about my personal excesses.

just went on my first ride with my new DA HF 7600 hubs and what a big difference it is from my cheap IRO/Formula hubs that my Jamie Roy comes with.

damn..it's just so astroglide smooth. it just rolls and rolls. can't wax enough lyrical about it. I am a firm believer now that you should buy the best hubs you can afford and you should never skimp on a hub. you do go faster and stop with less effort.

the best part is that it just cost me 200 bucks for the hubs and labour using my old rims and spokes.


cheers


my cheap ass no name hubs on my $100 alexrim wheelset, spin just BUTTER smooth AFTER, I tore them down, and repacked them with phil grease, and PROPERLY ADJUSTED THE CONES.

they just wont spin butter smooth as long as yours will is all.

I thought you got some phil woods,..... dura ace,....sheesh :p

DA hubs are nice, they look nice, feel nice, rick roll nice.

I find it funny that people usually attack the merits of expensive products when they'd probably use them too.

"Why buy dura-ace when you could've just put phil wood bearings as replacements in your formulas and they woulda been just as smooth?!"

We should get over ourselves and realize that the hobby of cycling is rife with blatant consumeristic excess! Of course sometimes we have buyers guilt but that's what justification and rationalization of that consumer excess is for- if we couldn't justify unjustifiable purchases our economy would probably stagnate.

-but again someone already reiterated if you can afford them and like them, buy them.

Personally, I like japanese stuff and repacking loose bearings-

i've brought along my phil's grease to the shop and had them packed before instalation. so no worries bout that. it should last me quite a while before having to repack.

I can say I can stop faster and easier because I usually ride my bike wearing my sambas and chucks. the chucks is not as comfortable because the sole is too soft and it flexes quite abit when I try to stop.

but I picked up my bike wearing my chucks and I am surprised by how little it flexes compared to normal when I try to stop the bike. I really do stop faster than before in the same speed with less effort.

read through all the thread on what the DA owners have to say about their hubs. it's all but good things.

I am a strong believer that a good drivetrain upgrade should come first before cosmetic.

that is why I strongly recommend those hubs. it's worth every penny you would pay for it for the enjoyment you'll get.

can't say the samething about phils because i 've yet to try it. but with all the rave reviews by their owners, I am sure they are great hubs.

you can call it a placebo effect unless you own both of the hubs and tried it for comparison.

cheers

it's all in the head...

I have cheap hubs (crappy Suzue Jr) and expensive hubs. I sure can't tell the difference while riding.

da7600 are indeed nice

...I bet people claim to love mail order brides too :rolleyes:

seriously, stop saying cheers.

seriously, stop saying cheers.

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seriously, stop saying cheers.

life's too short and whether is good or bad.. a tipple with friends is always a cause celebre

so cheers all round..

cheers

it's all in the head...

I have cheap hubs (crappy Suzue Jr) and expensive hubs. I sure can't tell the difference while riding.

what hubs are you riding?

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I don't think anyone with a brain is saying that they aren't great hubs, and sure, they may have lower rolling resistance, but you have to understand that no matter what you say, lower rolling resistance makes it HARDER to stop. If you have lower resistance, you're going a little bit faster, and the hubs are doing a little less to slow the bike. Therefore, you have the resist a little (tiny fractional) bit harder to stop. If your bike were easier to stop with those hubs, it would be because they had MORE rolling resistance. As was mentioned, you can't have it both ways.

it is easier to stop because it's as smooth pedaling forward as back pedaling. man...just go out and get a pair and try it out for yourself.

cheers

i have da hubs, formula hubs (the nicer ones -- there are newer cheaper ones that are kind of nasty), suzue promax loose ball hubs, suzue promax sealed hubs, sanshin hubs, phil wood hubs, and have ridden on several other brands. short of switching from some sand-filled or seized hubs to the dura ace, you aren't going to feel any difference. if you are able to isolate your variables sufficiently, you may be able to conclude that a change of hubs is what accounted for your (slightly) decreased time when racing a kilo, but you certainly won't feel it.

cheers

i have da hubs, formula hubs (the nicer ones -- there are newer cheaper ones that are kind of nasty), suzue promax loose ball hubs, suzue promax sealed hubs, sanshin hubs, phil wood hubs, and have ridden on several other brands. short of switching from some sand-filled or seized hubs to the dura ace, you aren't going to feel any difference. if you are able to isolate your variables sufficiently, you may be able to conclude that a change of hubs is what accounted for your (slightly) decreased time when racing a kilo, but you certainly won't feel it.

Shants, how do you afford all that stuff?

I have formulas, suzue promax loose balls, and one phil.

If it's drugs, please tell me your business model.

like when i had this merckx frame i swear to god i broke the record. it was all in the name and i like believed i could do it and i did it.

with a simple cleaning of my drivetrain can do wonders on the "feel" of a ride. pumping up my tires properly, the whole tune-up shabangabang.

im thinking your old drivetrain was borked somehow and right now its equivalent to a tune up.


shants said he does IT stuff. and he was in the game before all the NJS mark-ups!



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it is easier to stop because it's as smooth pedaling forward as back pedaling. man...just go out and get a pair and try it out for yourself.

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Disagree 100% and probably more.

what hubs are you riding?

cheers

Suzue Jr. & pro max
Formulas
Campy sheriff's star
cheap SR conversion hub
White Ind. ENO eccentric

I have had no problems with the following hubs :
White industries phantom
Surly 1x1 mtb
Sansin pro-trainer
Sansin track
Shimano XT
Campy record
Shimano Dura-ace
Suntour XC
GT cheapo
Phil Wood

I am not happy with the following hubs :
American classic

what was all that hubbub a while back about suzue jr.'s sucking so much? i've been running two of them in portland weather all winter with only one repack, and they've been great.

If I remember correctly, some kids didn't install their cog and lockrings properly and stripped the hubs, then blamed the hub.

it is easier to stop because it's as smooth pedaling forward as back pedaling. man...just go out and get a pair and try it out for yourself.

cheers


You're utterly ********.

If I remember correctly, some kids didn't install their cog and lockrings properly and stripped the hubs, then blamed the hub.

I have installed many cogs and lockrings and do it properly.I did strip my lockring threads on my suzue jr.s with not a ton of pressure...... they suck for that reason, but spin fine if cared for properly like almost all well cared for hubs.

I am pretty happy with my new hubs, too. I got Phils. I would be happier if I had bought red ones instead and also fixed/fixed. But the price was only $268 for the pair so I settled. I love bling. I know my hubs are the ***** and that makes me happy. I know my hubs will last forever and rain won't matter whatsoever. Maybe the OP had really bad formulas that were on their last leg. So his new hubs are dramatically better... who knows.

Cheers.

This thread has placebo effect written all over

Get a new pair of handlebars if you want to feel something different...

what was all that hubbub a while back about suzue jr.'s sucking so much? i've been running two of them in portland weather all winter with only one repack, and they've been great.

"oooh, portland winter weather, it's all rainy, waah waah". at least no one puts down salt on your roads, that **** rusts up your parts almost instantly.




*you know i'm just giving you ****, right?

I can say I can stop faster and easier because I usually ride my bike wearing my sambas and chucks.

You're riding in sneakers (and presumably street clothes) and worrying about the performance of your hubs?