Touring - ride around Pennsylvania

what started as an idea to rent a car and drive to the western start point (or close to it) of the "S" route and cycle back to my home in SE PA (practically the entire route). Has now morphed into a Tour of PA (sic) using the S to the A to the Y to the L. Has anyone done this? I see that the S route is fairly popular, how about the other routes?

Another Phoenixville person, cool!

On a ride back from Chicago I covered the route from Butler Pa, around pittsburgh to latrobe, then to the southern tier of the state, sometimes on what I guess is the S route. Surprisingly enough a lot of it was on rt 30. It was a good time, but I can't say I'm in love with riding in western pa fully loaded. Some of those hills were truly killer but mostly the quality of the roads was just really really bad.

I've also ridden down from Port Jervis to the Phoenixville/West Chester area on my way back from Montreal, and that was pretty nice. I don't remember exact roads but I don't think it was one of those state routes.

I also motorcycle tour a good bit and I've been on rt 6 in the northern part of the state which I believe might be another one of those state bike routes. that looks like a very nice road to ride, nice wide shoulders, rolling hills and whatnot.

Good luck on your tour. I'm headed out on a trip from Phoenixville to Tennessee and back a few months from now. BTW, did you know there is a new Phoenixville bike club? there was recently a yahoo group set up for it:

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/FirebirdBC/messages

Maybe I'll see you around.

-Brian

Another Phoenixville person, cool!
... BTW, did you know there is a new Phoenixville bike club? there was recently a yahoo group set up for it:

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/FirebirdBC/messages

Maybe I'll see you around.

-Brian

Well, I do now! Duly noted and I've joined the group and there's a decent chance I'll make tomorrow's meeting.

Thanks for the info on my proposed trip. I generally like to map my own routes and avoid even secondary main roads if at all possible if I don't have direct experience with the quality of the shoulders and traffic levels. but I was thinking that keeping to the official Bike PA routes would make navigation less of a chore and I could focus on keeping a decent pace and ergo keep my daily miles up. I'm a commuter too, so traffic per se does not concern me, but having cars whip past you doing 60+ even on a road with decent shoulders is no fun! The flip side being that the minor back roads often have no shoulders at all

I would be traveling very light, with hotels/motels being the rule for overnight accommodations! I would plan on wearing alternate sets of bike gear - washing the backup set wherever handy. I'm a Speedplay guy so some sort of extra footwear would be needed, I'm looking at what would work for the little amount of regular walking around I would be doing - maybe some sort of high tech sandal? Light and foldable/packable?

Well, I do now! Duly noted and I've joined the group and there's a decent chance I'll make tomorrow's meeting.

Thanks for the info on my proposed trip. I generally like to map my own routes and avoid even secondary main roads if at all possible if I don't have direct experience with the quality of the shoulders and traffic levels. but I was thinking that keeping to the official Bike PA routes would make navigation less of a chore and I could focus on keeping a decent pace and ergo keep my daily miles up. I'm a commuter too, so traffic per se does not concern me, but having cars whip past you doing 60+ even on a road with decent shoulders is no fun! The flip side being that the minor back roads often have no shoulders at all

I would be traveling very light, with hotels/motels being the rule for overnight accommodations! I would plan on wearing alternate sets of bike gear - washing the backup set wherever handy. I'm a Speedplay guy so some sort of extra footwear would be needed, I'm looking at what would work for the little amount of regular walking around I would be doing - maybe some sort of high tech sandal? Light and foldable/packable?

Aren't Crocs now the 'standard' for bike tourists and riders? I can't use them for long, but for those folks with arches and working joints, they seem to fit the bill.

As for the PA Bike Routes, I don't have much confidence in them. We both live near one that features next to no shoulder and cars wizzing past at 40+ MPH.

Another Phoenixville person, cool!

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/FirebirdBC/messages

Maybe I'll see you around.

-Brian

I signed up too. I suppose Kimberton counts as Phoenixville?

My theory, albeit one with quite a few holes, is that as one gets deeper into Pennsylvania and away from the high density suburban traffic clusters, the S route and it's cousin's the Y, A & L routes will be more rideable. There are a couple of journals on Crazyguy by folks who have done the S route - they pointed to some issue s with traffic but only at a few specific areas.

The other issues with plotting alternate routes is the number of even roughly parallel routes drops as you head into the hinterland and in some places the secondary main roads are pretty much it. I'd probably have to spring for a Garmin if I was to try going "freestyle" or take a wicked amount of maps with me.

I'm still debating my plans....

My understanding is that the state bike routes need to be on state roads despite the fact that there may be better routing on more local roads. I too believe that Pa route Y follows route 6 for a time.
I hope you will report back on what you find.

Ive ridden on Rt 6. I crossed into PA south of Corning, NY and took 6 to Wilkes Barre then cycled south through the Poconos into Doylestown. It wasn't a bad ride trafficwise and quite scenic. Sorry Im not really remembering the exact route I took. I had some sort of freebie PA tourism map that worked quite well. I stayed in motels along the way and had no problems finding accommodation. Happy Trails!

I dream of doing Pa route Y - Rt 6 across north Pa.
The pictures of the area look great. The Rt 6 tourist bureau has a nice web site. I'm sure the traffic would be light up there.

I know that S (RT 30) can be bad near Gettysburg, Chambersburg and Lancaster (at least near the cities). If I were going to ride any congested area I would first contact a local bike club for suggestions. The Lancaster Bicycle Club has helped me in the past.

I live near route J in Dauphin County. I've cycled parts of J near me. It's OK but not the best bike route - there are other (less direct, more scenic, smaller roads).

You need advice between Breezewood and Pittsburgh, drop me a line. I'm an old Johnstown boy, lived there most of my life and definitely know the back roads pretty well.

And no, there's no easy way to get between Gettysburg and Ligonier - the mountains are a flat out *****. Back in the 70's, when I went to school in Erie, I used to come home on weekends just to put in major miles hillclimbing.

I've decided not to be a slave to any particular route, but to use it where its the obvious best choice quality wise or its the only practical choice to get from a to b. The other factor changing my route is to take in some specific sight and/or locations that are not on any of the routes in question. One area of difficulty is my desire to visit Johnstown, Mt Davis (highest point in PA) and Fallingwater, which if you look at a map (and the topology, OMG the topology) are not located in a way that makes for a simple East-West trip. Putting on some extra miles is OK, although I'd prefer to keep the multiple 3,000 ft ascents to a reasonable number!

I am still pouring over my maps and researching possible routes and sites I want to visit.... Prelim start date in mid May at this point.

I recently purchased the TOPO mapping software for PA (and NJ) and am looking at some of hills/mountains on some of my proposed routes - I am not from a flat area of PA myself, but I have to admit that depending on where you are headed, we're talking some serious hillage, serious hillage indeed...

The only "flat" areas I know in Pa. is west Meadville, in the north west. I grew up in Pittsburgh. Pa is not only hilly, but the roads tend to have steep sections.

I've decided not to be a slave to any particular route, but to use it where its the obvious best choice quality wise or its the only practical choice to get from a to b. The other factor changing my route is to take in some specific sight and/or locations that are not on any of the routes in question. One area of difficulty is my desire to visit Johnstown, Mt Davis (highest point in PA) and Fallingwater, which if you look at a map (and the topology, OMG the topology) are not located in a way that makes for a simple East-West trip. Putting on some extra miles is OK, although I'd prefer to keep the multiple 3,000 ft ascents to a reasonable number!

I am still pouring over my maps and researching possible routes and sites I want to visit.... Prelim start date in mid May at this point.

Consider bike trails as well. The Great Allegheny Passage passes by Fallingwater, for instance, and you could follow it for 60 miles towards Pittsburgh. Also, the trail runs around Pittsburgh to Coreapolis.

Not being a "croc person" I didn't realize how light they are - I was in EMS yesterday and tried a pair. Assuming I stay with my speedplays (not a done deal btw), they well may make a good street shoe alternative versus other options. I could bungee them on top of my rack since they are basically weather proof - they'd be easily accessible without rooting around in my panniers

I'm also thinking about Frogs which would allow me to go recessed with MTB style shoes. Even SPD MTB shoes are in the running, although I'm hesitant to try a new solution after so long using my speedplays, a couple of hundred miles into my trip is not the time to find out I hate whatever new solution I try

I am still pouring over my maps and researching possible routes and sites I want to visit.... Prelim start date in mid May at this point.I envy you.
Keep us posted.