TrichomeMonkey
11-05-03, 11:58 PM
Wtf is up w/ the weed thread getting binned?!
Foo - Censorship
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11-06-03, 12:31 AM
That type of thread is frowned upon, not a good thread to be around, plus remember, there are kids that read these forums.
MadCat
11-06-03, 02:26 AM
Weird, I'm certain I'm discussed that particular topic in this forum before. It's entirely up to the forum host, I suppose. Don't feel gagged though, just take your voice elsewhere.
I still think it's weird how something can be so politicaly evil in one nation but still be a political waste of time and resources in another nation that is, otherwise, pretty similar. At least they used to be.
I feel like I'm walking on egg shells here. Forum readers are so touchy at times on topics like this. Bah screw it.......
*Free Tommy Chong!!!! (http://www.freetommychong.org/), He's from my home town*
I still think it's weird how something can be so politicaly evil in one nation but still be a political waste of time and resources in another nation that is, otherwise, pretty similar. At least they used to be.
I feel like I'm walking on egg shells here. Forum readers are so touchy at times on topics like this. Bah screw it.......
*Free Tommy Chong!!!! (http://www.freetommychong.org/), He's from my home town*
Chris L
11-06-03, 02:57 AM
That type of thread is frowned upon, not a good thread to be around, plus remember, there are kids that read these forums.
One should also remember that this is actually bikeforums.net, not weedforums.net.
One should also remember that this is actually bikeforums.net, not weedforums.net.
Dannihilator
11-06-03, 04:24 AM
One should also remember that this is actually bikeforums.net, not weedforums.net.
True.
True.
Ba-Dg-Er
11-06-03, 06:52 AM
Wtf is up w/ the weed thread getting binned?!
WTF was up with it being started is a better question.
WTF was up with it being started is a better question.
jester69
11-06-03, 08:34 AM
WTF was up with it being started is a better question.
Well,
this is an off topic area of the forums, it seems like a perfectly reasonable place to discuss a topic not related to bicycles. Perhaps the thread should have been moved to the politics if it were my choice, but its not.
Weed is legal in Canada and many other places in the world you know. I cant see why this topic would be any more offensive or unsafe for children than a thread about beer, another drug that is legal in some places and illegal in others.
Would whomever deleted the thread like to chime in and say why? I took a lot of time to write my responses and am a bit ticked they are gone. I went and read and reread the forum guidelines and cannot find any rule the thread violated, unless it degenerated after I last looked at it.
That being said, its your sandbox, and you get to make the rules.
take care,
Jester
Well,
this is an off topic area of the forums, it seems like a perfectly reasonable place to discuss a topic not related to bicycles. Perhaps the thread should have been moved to the politics if it were my choice, but its not.
Weed is legal in Canada and many other places in the world you know. I cant see why this topic would be any more offensive or unsafe for children than a thread about beer, another drug that is legal in some places and illegal in others.
Would whomever deleted the thread like to chime in and say why? I took a lot of time to write my responses and am a bit ticked they are gone. I went and read and reread the forum guidelines and cannot find any rule the thread violated, unless it degenerated after I last looked at it.
That being said, its your sandbox, and you get to make the rules.
take care,
Jester
bac
11-06-03, 08:52 AM
Well,
this is an off topic area of the forums, it seems like a perfectly reasonable place to discuss a topic not related to bicycles. Perhaps the thread should have been moved to the politics if it were my choice, but its not.
Weed is legal in Canada and many other places in the world you know. I cant see why this topic would be any more offensive or unsafe for children than a thread about beer, another drug that is legal in some places and illegal in others.
Would whomever deleted the thread like to chime in and say why? I took a lot of time to write my responses and am a bit ticked they are gone. I went and read and reread the forum guidelines and cannot find any rule the thread violated, unless it degenerated after I last looked at it.
That being said, its your sandbox, and you get to make the rules.
take care,
Jester
I agree totally! We've discussed much more controversial issues on this board before. We allow those topics to be discussed, so why not this one? :eek:
this is an off topic area of the forums, it seems like a perfectly reasonable place to discuss a topic not related to bicycles. Perhaps the thread should have been moved to the politics if it were my choice, but its not.
Weed is legal in Canada and many other places in the world you know. I cant see why this topic would be any more offensive or unsafe for children than a thread about beer, another drug that is legal in some places and illegal in others.
Would whomever deleted the thread like to chime in and say why? I took a lot of time to write my responses and am a bit ticked they are gone. I went and read and reread the forum guidelines and cannot find any rule the thread violated, unless it degenerated after I last looked at it.
That being said, its your sandbox, and you get to make the rules.
take care,
Jester
I agree totally! We've discussed much more controversial issues on this board before. We allow those topics to be discussed, so why not this one? :eek:
jester69
11-06-03, 09:12 AM
One should also remember that this is actually bikeforums.net, not weedforums.net.
That is a horrible argument.
Looking at the topics in foo, one should also remeber this is not:
matrixforums.net
flyfishingforums.net
webserverforums.net
vegetarianforums.net
beaniebabyforums.net
shortwaveradioforums.net
Well, you get the idea. If your logic holds, you have a lot of deleting to do.
Again, this isn't my forum and will play by the rules. I just couldn't find anything in the rules that prohibited the thread. Perhaps the rules should be updated if that was indeed a banned topic so people know not to invest time in threads that contravene them. And if a thread is aginst the rules it would seem to be polite to axe it right away and not allow people to contribute to it for 2 or so days only to have their responses dumped.
take care,
Jester
That is a horrible argument.
Looking at the topics in foo, one should also remeber this is not:
matrixforums.net
flyfishingforums.net
webserverforums.net
vegetarianforums.net
beaniebabyforums.net
shortwaveradioforums.net
Well, you get the idea. If your logic holds, you have a lot of deleting to do.
Again, this isn't my forum and will play by the rules. I just couldn't find anything in the rules that prohibited the thread. Perhaps the rules should be updated if that was indeed a banned topic so people know not to invest time in threads that contravene them. And if a thread is aginst the rules it would seem to be polite to axe it right away and not allow people to contribute to it for 2 or so days only to have their responses dumped.
take care,
Jester
SD Fixed
11-06-03, 09:22 AM
I think it once it decided to go the route of right versus wrong perhaps it should have been moved to the political forums.
We could argue right vs wrong of it being deleted, but before you do that, remember:
This forum is privately owned.
The owner sets the rules.
The owner also selects who enforces the rules.
Those selected, enforce the rules.
It's not cencorship, it's control of private property. If you don't like it, you can do several things:
Complain to the owner.
Complain to the moderator.
Leave.
Or you can post and whine about it like a sniveling kind on training wheels.
Have a nice day!
We could argue right vs wrong of it being deleted, but before you do that, remember:
This forum is privately owned.
The owner sets the rules.
The owner also selects who enforces the rules.
Those selected, enforce the rules.
It's not cencorship, it's control of private property. If you don't like it, you can do several things:
Complain to the owner.
Complain to the moderator.
Leave.
Or you can post and whine about it like a sniveling kind on training wheels.
Have a nice day!
jester69
11-06-03, 09:32 AM
This forum is privately owned.
The owner sets the rules.
The owner also selects who enforces the rules.
Those selected, enforce the rules.
Thing is, I couldn't find a rule against the thread. That is my point.
Or you can post and whine about it like a sniveling kind on training wheels.
That comment is against the rules. Personal attacks are not allowed by the guidelines. That being said it says a whole lot more about your personality than anyone it is directed against.
Have a nice day,
Jester
The owner sets the rules.
The owner also selects who enforces the rules.
Those selected, enforce the rules.
Thing is, I couldn't find a rule against the thread. That is my point.
Or you can post and whine about it like a sniveling kind on training wheels.
That comment is against the rules. Personal attacks are not allowed by the guidelines. That being said it says a whole lot more about your personality than anyone it is directed against.
Have a nice day,
Jester
SD Fixed
11-06-03, 10:06 AM
Thing is, I couldn't find a rule against the thread. That is my point.
Please bear in mind that these are only guidelines; there is always a "grey area" and we understand that. Please also keep in mind that the the moderators' decision is final.
Guess you didn't read all the way? :D
That comment is against the rules. Personal attacks are not allowed by the guidelines. That being said it says a whole lot more about your personality than anyone it is directed against.
Actually this is a one off on the "Spire rule of not really calling a name" http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=40047&page=3 post # 37.
Just playing by the rules, I am. :D
If you feel like you know my personality that well.. PM me and tell me more about me. I'm curious as to who I really am.
(in reality)If course, if you base it on what you know of me here.. then I understand your point.
Please bear in mind that these are only guidelines; there is always a "grey area" and we understand that. Please also keep in mind that the the moderators' decision is final.
Guess you didn't read all the way? :D
That comment is against the rules. Personal attacks are not allowed by the guidelines. That being said it says a whole lot more about your personality than anyone it is directed against.
Actually this is a one off on the "Spire rule of not really calling a name" http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=40047&page=3 post # 37.
Just playing by the rules, I am. :D
If you feel like you know my personality that well.. PM me and tell me more about me. I'm curious as to who I really am.
(in reality)If course, if you base it on what you know of me here.. then I understand your point.
jester69
11-06-03, 11:44 AM
Guess you didn't read all the way? :D
Oh, i'm not arguing that they can't delete anything they feel like, I just think it would be nice to let the users know what is against the rules in a clearer manner so that they don't waste their time on banned stuff. Using logic or the guidelines, I can't come up with a single reason this thread was deleted other than moderators prejudices.
Letting it go for a couple of days then axing it when the level of discussion improves seems wrong to me, but what do I know.
In any event, as I said, I don't run the site, I will play by the rules, it would just be nice if they were more clearly posted so I could avoid wasting my efforts.
take care,
Jester
Oh, i'm not arguing that they can't delete anything they feel like, I just think it would be nice to let the users know what is against the rules in a clearer manner so that they don't waste their time on banned stuff. Using logic or the guidelines, I can't come up with a single reason this thread was deleted other than moderators prejudices.
Letting it go for a couple of days then axing it when the level of discussion improves seems wrong to me, but what do I know.
In any event, as I said, I don't run the site, I will play by the rules, it would just be nice if they were more clearly posted so I could avoid wasting my efforts.
take care,
Jester
Chris L
11-06-03, 12:12 PM
Weed is legal in Canada and many other places in the world you know. I cant see why this topic would be any more offensive or unsafe for children than a thread about beer, another drug that is legal in some places and illegal in others.
And illegal in many many others (far more than beer). There are some parts of the world where child-pornography is legal, too. However I would have no hesitation deleting a thread on that topic.
That is a horrible argument.
Looking at the topics in foo, one should also remeber this is not:
matrixforums.net
flyfishingforums.net
webserverforums.net
vegetarianforums.net
beaniebabyforums.net
shortwaveradioforums.net
Well, you get the idea. If your logic holds, you have a lot of deleting to do.
Personally I'd like to see most of them gone, too. The argument still holds -- it is a forum intended for the discussion of cycling. If people have nothing cycling-related to discuss, perhaps they should find the appropriate forum.
And illegal in many many others (far more than beer). There are some parts of the world where child-pornography is legal, too. However I would have no hesitation deleting a thread on that topic.
That is a horrible argument.
Looking at the topics in foo, one should also remeber this is not:
matrixforums.net
flyfishingforums.net
webserverforums.net
vegetarianforums.net
beaniebabyforums.net
shortwaveradioforums.net
Well, you get the idea. If your logic holds, you have a lot of deleting to do.
Personally I'd like to see most of them gone, too. The argument still holds -- it is a forum intended for the discussion of cycling. If people have nothing cycling-related to discuss, perhaps they should find the appropriate forum.
jester69
11-06-03, 12:27 PM
And illegal in many many others (far more than beer). There are some parts of the world where child-pornography is legal, too. However I would have no hesitation deleting a thread on that topic.
Well, if you were to delete everry thread that at all touched on potentially illegal activity, you would be very busy. I think pretty much everyone here could agree that child pornography is bad. Exactly how that is related to this topic I have no idea. Name one country where it is legal.
In any event I wasnt advocating illegal activity, but a change in the law. I could see moving it to politics, but deleting seemed harsh.
In some parts of AU weed is now decriminalized. So you live in a country where it is "legal." Logically, beer and MJ threads are identical. But, personal prejudices could taint a thread one way or the other. As to beer being widely legal, I think it is illegal in most muslim countries, but don't quote me on that.
Personally I'd like to see most of them gone, too. The argument still holds -- it is a forum intended for the discussion of cycling. If people have nothing cycling-related to discuss, perhaps they should find the appropriate forum.
Oh, like:
blonde jokes (http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=39182)
Russel Crowes band (http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=39510)
Jumping on logs (http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=39958)
past life regression (http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=39676)
and many more off topic threads you have participated in are cyling related. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Your logic is still not so good here.
Anyway, i'm not saying you can't or shouldn't delete threads, I just think that the timing stunk, and I can't see any reason it was dumped. Guess you can so my opinion doesn't count.
take care,
Jester
Well, if you were to delete everry thread that at all touched on potentially illegal activity, you would be very busy. I think pretty much everyone here could agree that child pornography is bad. Exactly how that is related to this topic I have no idea. Name one country where it is legal.
In any event I wasnt advocating illegal activity, but a change in the law. I could see moving it to politics, but deleting seemed harsh.
In some parts of AU weed is now decriminalized. So you live in a country where it is "legal." Logically, beer and MJ threads are identical. But, personal prejudices could taint a thread one way or the other. As to beer being widely legal, I think it is illegal in most muslim countries, but don't quote me on that.
Personally I'd like to see most of them gone, too. The argument still holds -- it is a forum intended for the discussion of cycling. If people have nothing cycling-related to discuss, perhaps they should find the appropriate forum.
Oh, like:
blonde jokes (http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=39182)
Russel Crowes band (http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=39510)
Jumping on logs (http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=39958)
past life regression (http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=39676)
and many more off topic threads you have participated in are cyling related. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Your logic is still not so good here.
Anyway, i'm not saying you can't or shouldn't delete threads, I just think that the timing stunk, and I can't see any reason it was dumped. Guess you can so my opinion doesn't count.
take care,
Jester
Buzzbomb
11-06-03, 12:30 PM
Personally I'd like to see most of them gone, too. The argument still holds -- it is a forum intended for the discussion of cycling. If people have nothing cycling-related to discuss, perhaps they should find the appropriate forum.
"I couldnt come up with a good name for an off-topic forum. I stole this one from WebmasterWorld.com... Any ideas for a better name?" - Joe G.
I think that's what this forum is for, no?
"I couldnt come up with a good name for an off-topic forum. I stole this one from WebmasterWorld.com... Any ideas for a better name?" - Joe G.
I think that's what this forum is for, no?
Chris L
11-06-03, 12:38 PM
Well, if you were to delete everry thread that at all touched on potentially illegal activity, you would be very busy. I think pretty much everyone here could agree that child pornography is bad. Exactly how that is related to this topic I have no idea.
You would be surprised. Pretty much every thread that ever gets deleted would get complaints about "censorship". If this had been a child pornography thread, you can bet I'd be responding to similar posts (abeit from different members) right now.
In some parts of AU weed is now decriminalized. So you live in a country where it is "legal." .
I don't know where that statement comes from, but it simply isn't true. It's still illegal in Nimbin -- even if the police don't always enforce the law.
Oh, like:
blonde jokes (http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=39182)
Russel Crowes band (http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=39510)
Jumping on logs (http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=39958)
past life regression (http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=39676)
and many more off topic threads you have participated in are cyling related. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Your logic is still not so good here.
When in Rome...
The whole point is, nobody has attempted to ban off-topic threads per se, I was just pointing out that this is primarily a cycling forum. If one is going to discuss topics with questionable legal or moral status that don't relate to the primary function, one is straying into that grey area mentioned above. If one's primary function is discussing issues such as this, not relating to cycling, perhaps this is not the forum for them.
You would be surprised. Pretty much every thread that ever gets deleted would get complaints about "censorship". If this had been a child pornography thread, you can bet I'd be responding to similar posts (abeit from different members) right now.
In some parts of AU weed is now decriminalized. So you live in a country where it is "legal." .
I don't know where that statement comes from, but it simply isn't true. It's still illegal in Nimbin -- even if the police don't always enforce the law.
Oh, like:
blonde jokes (http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=39182)
Russel Crowes band (http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=39510)
Jumping on logs (http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=39958)
past life regression (http://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=39676)
and many more off topic threads you have participated in are cyling related. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Your logic is still not so good here.
When in Rome...
The whole point is, nobody has attempted to ban off-topic threads per se, I was just pointing out that this is primarily a cycling forum. If one is going to discuss topics with questionable legal or moral status that don't relate to the primary function, one is straying into that grey area mentioned above. If one's primary function is discussing issues such as this, not relating to cycling, perhaps this is not the forum for them.
Joe Gardner
11-06-03, 12:46 PM
The threads are still around, they are under review by myself and the other mods at this time.
As the forum admin, my goal here is to create a site that allows the community to grow. My goal for bikeforums is to have a newbie friendly place, were anyone, no mater what bike they ride, there age, race, location. can feel welcome.
The two big things that stop this from happening are personal insults, and language issues. I try to cover all aspects of keeping the community to standards in the guidelines (not rules!). Obviously, not everything can be placed in the guidelines.
Some topics, such as the weed topic are very border line. If a thread gets reported, and a member here doesn't feel comfortable with the thread on the forums, myself, and the mods will discuss that situation, and then take action. That is what happened here. And believe me, it wasn't a unanimous vote to remove that thread.
More important then the guidelines, are the general principles: http://www.bikeforums.net/faq.php?faq=general_principles; after reading that, I think you can see why the thread was deleted.
As the forum admin, my goal here is to create a site that allows the community to grow. My goal for bikeforums is to have a newbie friendly place, were anyone, no mater what bike they ride, there age, race, location. can feel welcome.
The two big things that stop this from happening are personal insults, and language issues. I try to cover all aspects of keeping the community to standards in the guidelines (not rules!). Obviously, not everything can be placed in the guidelines.
Some topics, such as the weed topic are very border line. If a thread gets reported, and a member here doesn't feel comfortable with the thread on the forums, myself, and the mods will discuss that situation, and then take action. That is what happened here. And believe me, it wasn't a unanimous vote to remove that thread.
More important then the guidelines, are the general principles: http://www.bikeforums.net/faq.php?faq=general_principles; after reading that, I think you can see why the thread was deleted.
SamDaBikinMan
11-06-03, 01:09 PM
Thanks Joe. If you could just get people like me to behave every now and then it would be nice. BTW, I am thanking you for not having banned me in the past during some of my darker moments.
But the weed thread was a bit useless. Can I start a masturb***** thread?
But the weed thread was a bit useless. Can I start a masturb***** thread?
SD Fixed
11-06-03, 01:18 PM
Thanks Joe. If you could just get people like me to behave every now and then it would be nice. BTW, I am thanking you for not having banned me in the past during some of my darker moments.
But the weed thread was a bit useless. Can I start a masturb***** thread?
I betcha I've been closer to being banned than you.. :D
As for the other thread: fine, so long as you're wearing underwear!! :D
But the weed thread was a bit useless. Can I start a masturb***** thread?
I betcha I've been closer to being banned than you.. :D
As for the other thread: fine, so long as you're wearing underwear!! :D
SamDaBikinMan
11-06-03, 01:22 PM
It would be interesting to see what replies we would get huh William.
There are only two kinds of people when it comes to this type thing. Those who do it and those who lie about not doing it. :D
There are only two kinds of people when it comes to this type thing. Those who do it and those who lie about not doing it. :D
jester69
11-06-03, 01:27 PM
I don't know where that statement comes from, but it simply isn't true. It's still illegal in Nimbin -- even if the police don't always enforce the law.
weed decriminalized in Westernn AU (http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/213/westernaustralia.shtml)
now posession results in a minor ticket rather than jail. Similar in seriousness to, oh, running a stopsign on your bicycle.
If one is going to discuss topics with questionable legal or moral status that don't relate to the primary function, one is straying into that grey area mentioned above. If one's primary function is discussing issues such as this, not relating to cycling, perhaps this is not the forum for them.
I quite enjoy discussing off topic items with like minded people, i/e other cyclists. If you peruse the Politics forum there are many more offensive and morally or legally questionable discussions than wether or not to make MJ less illegal in some countries.
In any event, no hard feelings, I just think you are wrong ;)
take care,
Jester
weed decriminalized in Westernn AU (http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/213/westernaustralia.shtml)
now posession results in a minor ticket rather than jail. Similar in seriousness to, oh, running a stopsign on your bicycle.
If one is going to discuss topics with questionable legal or moral status that don't relate to the primary function, one is straying into that grey area mentioned above. If one's primary function is discussing issues such as this, not relating to cycling, perhaps this is not the forum for them.
I quite enjoy discussing off topic items with like minded people, i/e other cyclists. If you peruse the Politics forum there are many more offensive and morally or legally questionable discussions than wether or not to make MJ less illegal in some countries.
In any event, no hard feelings, I just think you are wrong ;)
take care,
Jester
Raiyn
11-06-03, 01:29 PM
I was "banned" once as part of a April Fools joke I was helping Joe with.:D
bac
11-06-03, 01:35 PM
I just think it would be nice to let the users know what is against the rules in a clearer manner so that they don't waste their time on banned stuff. Using logic or the guidelines, I can't come up with a single reason this thread was deleted other than moderators prejudices.
Yup, that's also where I'm coming from. I thought that the "weed" thread was as productive as any off-topic thread that I've seen. Some of the information discussed was new to me, and certainly opened my eyes. It wasn't a thread where individuals were abusing the rules. Nobody (that I read) was saying "Hey, we should all break the law and smoke weed". It was more of a discussion of the merits of fighting the war on drugs.
For the record, I don't smoke dope, but I wouldn’t mind hearing differing viewpoints on the subject of the war on drugs. Given the huge expense of this war, and the military war on terrorism we are currently fighting, it really seems to be a topic that we all could benefit from discussing.
Anywho, I really would appreciate a list of topics that are off-limits. Then, none of us will waste our time on a thread that is ultimately going to get deleted.
The list thus far:
1. Marijuana
What else? Joe?
Yup, that's also where I'm coming from. I thought that the "weed" thread was as productive as any off-topic thread that I've seen. Some of the information discussed was new to me, and certainly opened my eyes. It wasn't a thread where individuals were abusing the rules. Nobody (that I read) was saying "Hey, we should all break the law and smoke weed". It was more of a discussion of the merits of fighting the war on drugs.
For the record, I don't smoke dope, but I wouldn’t mind hearing differing viewpoints on the subject of the war on drugs. Given the huge expense of this war, and the military war on terrorism we are currently fighting, it really seems to be a topic that we all could benefit from discussing.
Anywho, I really would appreciate a list of topics that are off-limits. Then, none of us will waste our time on a thread that is ultimately going to get deleted.
The list thus far:
1. Marijuana
What else? Joe?
Raiyn
11-06-03, 01:40 PM
I think you're being a bit harsh bac much unlike a cold water bong rip
georgesnatcher
11-06-03, 02:51 PM
Its over and done. All that is happening now is everyones blood pressure is going up. How long do we beat the dead horse before we realize it is dead.
Raiyn
11-06-03, 02:53 PM
BAD HORSIE BAD GET UP! :D
SamDaBikinMan
11-06-03, 03:00 PM
But we here at BF are experts at beating the dead horse, then the buzzards, then the maggots and beetles, then just pound the sand the corpse just deteriorated on.
jester69
11-06-03, 03:15 PM
Its over and done. All that is happening now is everyones blood pressure is going up. How long do we beat the dead horse before we realize it is dead.
Its not dead, its just sleeping ;)
Joe did say that the thread was still around & being discussed
Its not dead, its just sleeping ;)
Joe did say that the thread was still around & being discussed
SD Fixed
11-06-03, 03:28 PM
Its not dead, its just sleeping ;)
Joe did say that the thread was still around & being discussed
Of course, it's comotose now that we've ripped a leg off and beaten it to death.
Speaking of dead horses, can you buny hop one on a single gear?
Joe did say that the thread was still around & being discussed
Of course, it's comotose now that we've ripped a leg off and beaten it to death.
Speaking of dead horses, can you buny hop one on a single gear?
MediaCreations
11-06-03, 03:51 PM
weed decriminalized in Westernn AU (http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/213/westernaustralia.shtml)
now posession results in a minor ticket rather than jail. Similar in seriousness to, oh, running a stopsign on your bicycle.
Jester
Decriminalisation does not equal leagalisation. You stated it was legal in parts of Australia. It is not.
In some parts of the country you will not have a criminal conviction recorded against you if found in possesion of small amounts of dope. You will still be fined.
Speeding is not a criminal offence. That does not make it 'legal'.
It is still against the law right across Australia to be in posession of dope.
now posession results in a minor ticket rather than jail. Similar in seriousness to, oh, running a stopsign on your bicycle.
Jester
Decriminalisation does not equal leagalisation. You stated it was legal in parts of Australia. It is not.
In some parts of the country you will not have a criminal conviction recorded against you if found in possesion of small amounts of dope. You will still be fined.
Speeding is not a criminal offence. That does not make it 'legal'.
It is still against the law right across Australia to be in posession of dope.
ngateguy
11-06-03, 04:01 PM
Its not dead, its just sleeping ;)[/SIZE]
It's not dead, it's just stunned
Maybe this is a sign that we must ride, ride like the wind until we are smilling again :D
It's not dead, it's just stunned
Maybe this is a sign that we must ride, ride like the wind until we are smilling again :D
jester69
11-06-03, 04:12 PM
Decriminalisation does not equal leagalisation. You stated it was legal in parts of Australia. It is not.
That is not what I stated at all, here is the exact quote:
In some parts of AU weed is now decriminalized. So you live in a country where it is "legal."
As you may notice I put legal in quotes to denote it was not exactly a factual assertion. I could just have easily have said more or less legal, and in retrospect should have.
In some parts of the country you will not have a criminal conviction recorded against you if found in possesion of small amounts of dope. You will still be fined.
Speeding is not a criminal offence. That does not make it 'legal'.
It is still against the law right across Australia to be in posession of dope.
Well, in any event, I said it was decriminalized, and it is. My putting of "legal" in quotations probably did not make my intent clear enough.
Maybe what i should have said was that in parts of AU being caught with marijuana is no more serious of an offense than running a stopsign with a bicycle. That is an illegal activity often advocated on these forums and I have never seen a thread on that activity deleted.
take care,
Jester
That is not what I stated at all, here is the exact quote:
In some parts of AU weed is now decriminalized. So you live in a country where it is "legal."
As you may notice I put legal in quotes to denote it was not exactly a factual assertion. I could just have easily have said more or less legal, and in retrospect should have.
In some parts of the country you will not have a criminal conviction recorded against you if found in possesion of small amounts of dope. You will still be fined.
Speeding is not a criminal offence. That does not make it 'legal'.
It is still against the law right across Australia to be in posession of dope.
Well, in any event, I said it was decriminalized, and it is. My putting of "legal" in quotations probably did not make my intent clear enough.
Maybe what i should have said was that in parts of AU being caught with marijuana is no more serious of an offense than running a stopsign with a bicycle. That is an illegal activity often advocated on these forums and I have never seen a thread on that activity deleted.
take care,
Jester
JCM800
11-06-03, 04:22 PM
I think moderators should be able to delete a topic without having to spend more time explaining his/her action for doing so,which is why they're moderators.
Besides there was already a thread on using drugs in the training forum.
Regards.
Besides there was already a thread on using drugs in the training forum.
Regards.
gonesh9
11-06-03, 04:28 PM
I personally think that if the host and/or moderators want a thread deleted, that's their right. They are providing us with the privilege to use this forum.
On a side note, it is too bad that so many people still have their heads up their a$$es when it comes to MJ, further escalating the taboo associated with it. Whoever feels they need to report a thread simply because MJ is discussed is just a paranoid victim of propaganda.
On a side note, it is too bad that so many people still have their heads up their a$$es when it comes to MJ, further escalating the taboo associated with it. Whoever feels they need to report a thread simply because MJ is discussed is just a paranoid victim of propaganda.
SD Fixed
11-06-03, 04:29 PM
It's not dead, it's just stunned
Maybe this is a sign that we must ride, ride like the wind until we are smilling again :D
Wasn't that a christopher cross song?
Maybe this is a sign that we must ride, ride like the wind until we are smilling again :D
Wasn't that a christopher cross song?
Allister
11-06-03, 05:21 PM
One should also remember that this is actually bikeforums.net, not weedforums.net.
Isn't discussing non-cycling subjects the point of the Foo forum ?
Isn't discussing non-cycling subjects the point of the Foo forum ?
georgesnatcher
11-06-03, 05:29 PM
Oh please most highly placed Forum Janitor, put the kibosh to this one to. Its getting me dizzy. :D
MediaCreations
11-06-03, 05:54 PM
Oh please most highly placed Forum Janitor, put the kibosh to this one to. Its getting me dizzy. :D
What? And be accused of censoring the Censorship thread? :D
What? And be accused of censoring the Censorship thread? :D
SD Fixed
11-06-03, 06:05 PM
What? And be accused of censoring the Censorship thread? :D
That'd be funny. Then we'd have a cencorship of cencorship of censorchip thread. (And I could misspell it many different times.).
Ahh yes... :rolleyes: Freedom, drugs and the first article..
hey, anyone here ride a bike? :D
That'd be funny. Then we'd have a cencorship of cencorship of censorchip thread. (And I could misspell it many different times.).
Ahh yes... :rolleyes: Freedom, drugs and the first article..
hey, anyone here ride a bike? :D
Chris L
11-07-03, 03:49 AM
Isn't discussing non-cycling subjects the point of the Foo forum ?
Did you actually read the rest of this thread?
Did you actually read the rest of this thread?
MadCat
11-07-03, 05:25 AM
Good to know the moderators are still doing the deletion and not gov't agency doing it for us, I hope.
Speaking of cycling, a little hoot is great when there's a big dratsab of a hill ahead. It's also a welcome reward for helping a fellow Canadian Comerade fix a tire.
Is Foo in the same food group as Kung-Foo?
BTW. Does anyone even read posts that are this low on the thread? It's been good reading this time around but i don't usually read this far down myself. I was just bored.
Speaking of cycling, a little hoot is great when there's a big dratsab of a hill ahead. It's also a welcome reward for helping a fellow Canadian Comerade fix a tire.
Is Foo in the same food group as Kung-Foo?
BTW. Does anyone even read posts that are this low on the thread? It's been good reading this time around but i don't usually read this far down myself. I was just bored.
georgesnatcher
11-07-03, 05:27 AM
No more like egg foo young
Gordon P
11-07-03, 07:27 AM
Good to see this censorship thread still going after two days! I started one before, but it was killed instantaneously.
Allister
11-07-03, 07:38 AM
Did you actually read the rest of this thread?
That's not an answer to the question.
I read your post and responded from the hip, and afterwards read the rest of the thread. I still don't see the question answered satisfactorily, nor do I think the thread contravened any forum guidelines. It seemed like a perfectly civil conversation from what I read. I personally don't give a toss if you want to delete it, but when you come out with absurd comments like that, I'm gonna question it.
That's not an answer to the question.
I read your post and responded from the hip, and afterwards read the rest of the thread. I still don't see the question answered satisfactorily, nor do I think the thread contravened any forum guidelines. It seemed like a perfectly civil conversation from what I read. I personally don't give a toss if you want to delete it, but when you come out with absurd comments like that, I'm gonna question it.
Allister
11-07-03, 07:40 AM
Oh please most highly placed Forum Janitor, put the kibosh to this one to. Its getting me dizzy. :D
No-one's forcing you to read it.
No-one's forcing you to read it.
bac
11-07-03, 09:19 AM
Dear Moderators:
Perhaps I’m just thick, but I still haven't figured out why the thread was deleted. Was it simply because it explored a subject that a forum member didn't want discussed? Was the subject purely the reason, or was it the way it was discussed? I’m really @ a loss.
Again, I have absolutely NO ISSUE with the deleting of threads - that's totally the prerogative of the moderators. I also applaud the work of the moderators. They have made this board a great place for peaceful discussion. However, how are we do follow the rules if there is no good understanding of the rules? I've read the forum guidelines several times, and this must be an issue outside of those boundaries. Please educate me, so that I don’t continue to waste my time on threads that are ultimately going to be zapped.
Thank you! :)
Perhaps I’m just thick, but I still haven't figured out why the thread was deleted. Was it simply because it explored a subject that a forum member didn't want discussed? Was the subject purely the reason, or was it the way it was discussed? I’m really @ a loss.
Again, I have absolutely NO ISSUE with the deleting of threads - that's totally the prerogative of the moderators. I also applaud the work of the moderators. They have made this board a great place for peaceful discussion. However, how are we do follow the rules if there is no good understanding of the rules? I've read the forum guidelines several times, and this must be an issue outside of those boundaries. Please educate me, so that I don’t continue to waste my time on threads that are ultimately going to be zapped.
Thank you! :)
Gus Riley
11-07-03, 09:30 AM
That's not an answer to the question.
I read your post and responded from the hip, and afterwards read the rest of the thread. I still don't see the question answered satisfactorily, nor do I think the thread contravened any forum guidelines. It seemed like a perfectly civil conversation from what I read. I personally don't give a toss if you want to delete it, but when you come out with absurd comments like that, I'm gonna question it.
I have to agree with Allister.
Like some members here, I'm a bit curious to know what topics are prohibited. Seemed to me the MJ topic was going along at a non-guideline violating pace. It was also an interesting topic.
Still, this is the best bike forums I have seen so far.
I read your post and responded from the hip, and afterwards read the rest of the thread. I still don't see the question answered satisfactorily, nor do I think the thread contravened any forum guidelines. It seemed like a perfectly civil conversation from what I read. I personally don't give a toss if you want to delete it, but when you come out with absurd comments like that, I'm gonna question it.
I have to agree with Allister.
Like some members here, I'm a bit curious to know what topics are prohibited. Seemed to me the MJ topic was going along at a non-guideline violating pace. It was also an interesting topic.
Still, this is the best bike forums I have seen so far.
jester69
11-07-03, 10:20 AM
You know, one possible indication that perhaps a mistake was made here is that there are now 4 pages of posts with people discussing the deleted thread. Most of the users that have weighed in either supported the thread or didnt really care one way or the other.
I think BAC said it best. I just want to know how to avoid participating in threads that will end up in the dustbin. Apparently just using the word marijuana (http://bikeforums.net/search.php?searchid=32492) isn't enough.
Please provide us guidance here. This is a great forum, and pleasant to interact in, the people and moderators are by and large great. As bac said, we need to support the moderators. They often need to delete threads and that is understandable.
take care,
Jester
I think BAC said it best. I just want to know how to avoid participating in threads that will end up in the dustbin. Apparently just using the word marijuana (http://bikeforums.net/search.php?searchid=32492) isn't enough.
Please provide us guidance here. This is a great forum, and pleasant to interact in, the people and moderators are by and large great. As bac said, we need to support the moderators. They often need to delete threads and that is understandable.
take care,
Jester
Chris L
11-07-03, 12:23 PM
That's not an answer to the question.
I read your post and responded from the hip, and afterwards read the rest of the thread. I still don't see the question answered satisfactorily, nor do I think the thread contravened any forum guidelines. It seemed like a perfectly civil conversation from what I read. I personally don't give a toss if you want to delete it, but when you come out with absurd comments like that, I'm gonna question it.
Alright, one more time.
Nobody is trying to prohibit off-topic threads from being discussed on the forum. I've participated in plenty of them myself. However, one should be aware that regardless of any of that, this site is still primarily a cycling forum. Those who would prefer to discuss weed rather than cycling might be better to find the appropriate forum to do so. In the case of the weed thread specifically, the comment from Joe best summed it up:
Some topics, such as the weed topic are very border line. If a thread gets reported, and a member here doesn't feel comfortable with the thread on the forums, myself, and the mods will discuss that situation, and then take action. That is what happened here. And believe me, it wasn't a unanimous vote to remove that thread.
As was also stated above, the thread is still under review. Last time I checked it looked like being moved to the political forum -- although that may have changed since then. Quite often various topics come under review for various reasons, although admittedly, it's rare for one to be removed whilst being reviewed. Personally I remain unconcerned whether it ends up on the forums or not.
I read your post and responded from the hip, and afterwards read the rest of the thread. I still don't see the question answered satisfactorily, nor do I think the thread contravened any forum guidelines. It seemed like a perfectly civil conversation from what I read. I personally don't give a toss if you want to delete it, but when you come out with absurd comments like that, I'm gonna question it.
Alright, one more time.
Nobody is trying to prohibit off-topic threads from being discussed on the forum. I've participated in plenty of them myself. However, one should be aware that regardless of any of that, this site is still primarily a cycling forum. Those who would prefer to discuss weed rather than cycling might be better to find the appropriate forum to do so. In the case of the weed thread specifically, the comment from Joe best summed it up:
Some topics, such as the weed topic are very border line. If a thread gets reported, and a member here doesn't feel comfortable with the thread on the forums, myself, and the mods will discuss that situation, and then take action. That is what happened here. And believe me, it wasn't a unanimous vote to remove that thread.
As was also stated above, the thread is still under review. Last time I checked it looked like being moved to the political forum -- although that may have changed since then. Quite often various topics come under review for various reasons, although admittedly, it's rare for one to be removed whilst being reviewed. Personally I remain unconcerned whether it ends up on the forums or not.