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Threads about threads being deleted are being deleted. Dontcha think this is getting a little silly?

Threads about threads being deleted are being deleted. Dontcha think this is getting a little silly?Or ceaselessly entertaining when viewed from a distance.

This thread about threads about threads being deleted, being deleted in...

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*shaking head*

This is somewhat similar to the Great Foo Meltdown of February 2008.

Yeah, I'm wondering how long this thread will be allowed to last... Everybody, please try not to say anything that will cause this thread to be legitimately pulled. And no, I don't think that alluding to factual events without baiting, harassing, or insults constitutes a legitimate reason...

Threads about threads being deleted are being deleted. Dontcha think this is getting a little silly?

penalty: stirring the pot.

in the event of a crash or mechanical, you get no free lap.

Or ceaselessly entertaining when viewed from a distance.

I'm with you.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/ptbryant/umwhut-2.gif

Yeah, I'm wondering how long this thread will be allowed to last... Everybody, please try not to say anything that will cause this thread to be legitimately pulled. And no, I don't think that alluding to factual events without baiting, harassing, or insults constitutes a legitimate reason...

Someone should put a helmet on this thread to keep it safe.
Do you think this thread would be better if it were made of steel, aluminum, titanium or carbon?
Or to shift themes: Campy or Shimano?
I like to stop for a few beers mid-ride.

Oh wait: these are topics we should probably avoid, yes?

Someone should put a helmet on this thread to keep it safe.
Do you think this thread would be better if it were made of steel, aluminum, titanium or carbon?
Or to shift themes: Campy or Shimano?
I like to stop for a few beers mid-ride.

Oh wait: these are topics we should probably avoid, yes?

Those topics, while off-topic are fine. I had in mind not calling the moderators things.

Someone should put a helmet on this thread to keep it safe.
Do you think this thread would be better if it were made of steel, aluminum, titanium or carbon?
Or to shift themes: Campy or Shimano?
I like to stop for a few beers mid-ride.

Oh wait: these are topics we should probably avoid, yes?

Magnesium, SRAM, wear your helmet, no drinking while riding, obey all traffic laws, we're going to yell at you.

Flip it, incorrect, guads, HTFU, wussy.

There. I think I covered most of it.

I wonder if the moderators here are practicing the fine art of Vehicular Moderation (or VM) as penned by his eminence John Moddester?

:D

I wonder if the moderators here are practicing the fine art of Vehicular Moderation as penned by his eminence John Moddester?

:D

Didn't he get baned too?

This thread needs to be invitation only...

Those topics, while off-topic are fine. I had in mind not calling the moderators things.

What about Brian?:p

I alway liked it when grease threads refered to thread grease. It happens.

Ultimately, it's their sandbox. Watcha gonna do if they don't let you play with the yellow tonka truck? You gotta make do with the plastic buckets and shovels, or go home.

Besides, I think I hear all of your moms calling you home for dinner anyways...

Ultimately, it's their sandbox. Watcha gonna do if they don't let you play with the yellow tonka truck? You gotta make do with the plastic buckets and shovels, or go home.

I think they are upset that some other kids built a new sandbox

Ultimately, it's their sandbox.

Which is a saying I often quote as well. But in this case, it's not just *their* sandbox. Many people -- myself included -- have paid money to be a part of the sandbox.

I think their upset that some other kids built a new sandbox

HA! they're.

I think this is forum wide, regardless of who (or whom): mistakes of their vs. they're, your vs. you're.
Botto vs. incorrect vs. Moderators vs. OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM

Ultimately, it's their sandbox.

I think somebody pissed in this sandbox http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh314/shellenbarger/hissyfit.gif

HA! they're.

I think this is forum wide, regardless of who (or whom): mistakes of their vs. they're, your vs. you're.
Botto vs. incorrect vs. Moderators vs. OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM

damn and I know better too. Chalk it up to not paying attention.

I think their upset that some other kids built a new sandbox

Does said new sandbox actually run?

Does said new sandbox actually run?

Obviously.

Which is a saying I often quote as well. But in this case, it's not just *their* sandbox. Many people -- myself included -- have paid money to be a part of the sandbox.
Actually, you paid for no ads, larger avatars, and little red stars. Anybody can be part of the sandbox, paid or not.

Actually, you paid for no ads, larger avatars, and little red stars. Anybody can be part of the sandbox, paid or not.

I paid for a larger avatar. I can take or leave the red star :p The lack of ads is a nice touch.

Actually, you paid for no ads, larger avatars, and little red stars.

Right, but where did that money go to? It went to bike forums.

It cheeses a good number of people off that certain mods are somewhat pissy about certain other forums, when said people have paid good money for no ads, larger avatars, and little red stars. Clearly, bike forums wins out on the benefit side of that equation; it should be clear to bike forums management (read: moderators) that people with little red stars have a vested interest in this site regardless of whatever other forums they frequent, and said other forums should have no bearing on what goes on here.

*shrug*

Does said new sandbox actually run?

Now with 100% less database errors...

I have a question. How many people are complaining because they want this subforum to be better, and how many are complaining just because they want to? (If your answer is both, then pick the first option.)

yes.

I have a question. How many people are complaining because they want this subforum to be better, and how many are complaining just because they want to? (If your answer is both, then pick the first option.)

I'm complaining because I don't like the way the discussion of the "other" jersey design was pulled and swept under the rug. I think not allowing discussion of controversial events is short-sighted.

I have a question. How many people are complaining because they want this subforum to be better, and how many are complaining just because they want to? (If your answer is both, then pick the first option.)

I personally don't have a problem here. Never did. Those having problems can work them out amongst themselves.
I have enough things in my life in which to worry about.

Which is a saying I often quote as well. But in this case, it's not just *their* sandbox. Many people -- myself included -- have paid money to be a part of the sandbox.

Plus, the folks who post here are essentially the site's content providers. Versus, say, an online cycling magazine format, with paid writers and editorial staff. Here, the "writers" work for free, as do almost all of the "editorial staff" (moderators).

It makes for an interesting dynamic, that's for sure.

seriously though. i want it to be better. i dunno what all this malarkey about the sub forum wanting things certain ways is all about, but it seems in the last few weeks things have become really bad on here. what was once friendly snarkiness has in many cases turned into out and out hostility, sometimes with little to no moderation. and then when the mods do step in it seems the threads are either locked or simply disappear, usually with no rhyme or reason. now i dont know if any of the people who cross lines are warned(as this is abviously not brought up publicly...) or if the "toys" are simply taken away, but the seeming randomness( as well as the obvious PETTINESS) is getting out of control....

just my two cents. i like it here, but ive had a taste of freedom and its a bit more appealing....

How many people are complaining because they want this subforum to be better, and how many are complaining just because they want to?

I made mention of this earlier: I am an I.T. guy by trade. A database administrator and a PHP coder. I work for a publically traded company (sort of) and we must abide by Sorbanes-Oxley guidelines. I understand the need for rules and regulations, and moderators and moderation. I am not opposed to heavy-handed moderation when a forum needs it.

I am complaining because as of late the moderation has gone over the top. I mean, c'mon, you have paid users getting threads pulled because a moderator assumed (read: means he didn't check his facts) the jersey contained in the thread was for another forum when, in fact, it was a generic SoCal jersey. You have moderators breaking the rules of the site and throwing out personal insults with no apparent ramifications, yet those same moderators clamp down on threads like dammit when us "normal users" do the same thing. You've got moderators getting pissy with red-starred users who happen to also frequent another forum.

Normally, I'm not one to complain. I run a forum of my own. I know what it's like. I've shut down threads, I've deleted threads, and I've had users "yell" at me for doing so. The fact I am complaining -- and have a red star, no less -- should be something of an indication that all is not well.

*shrug*

EDIT: Which, of course, means I want this subforum to be better.

Actually, you paid for no ads, larger avatars, and little red stars. Anybody can be part of the sandbox, paid or not.
I get larger avatars?!


I have a question. How many people are complaining because they want this subforum to be better, and how many are complaining just because they want to? (If your answer is both, then pick the first option.)
I just don't like having to bounce between 2 forums now to get my local information and general topics covered. Some day on a group ride somewhere, somebody is going to tell me what the heck happened here that caused so many people to run away. I must have been working or riding when it happened because all traces were deleted and I was blind sided.

I get larger avatars?!
Well, no... not you.

well i've never had a single problem with the management until today. i don't contribute any more or less than i did in the past or since that other sandbox was built. BUT it appears that since i SEEM to have put forth my jersey design over there before i did here(which i didn't, and i think UMD can confirm this), i'm now some sort of traitor and promoting another brand of sand.
i asked someone to start a thread over there to try and generate interest amongst members who frequent both sandboxes, and once we had a sufficient number of takers, i posted a thread over here to let everyone know that there was an independent sand castle project in the works. and now i'm an infidel or something.

strengthening of the sandbox will not be achieved through heavy-handed pettiness and toy snatching. that does not work. it never has.

well i've never had a single problem with the management until today. i don't contribute any more or less than i did in the past or since that other sandbox was built. BUT it appears that since i SEEM to have put forth my jersey design over there before i did here(which i didn't, and i think UMD can confirm this), i'm now some sort of traitor and promoting another brand of sand.
i asked someone to start a thread over there to try and generate interest amongst members who frequent both sandboxes, and once we had a sufficient number of takers, i posted a thread over here to let everyone know that there was an independent sand castle project in the works. and now i'm an infidel or something.

strengthening of the sandbox will not be achieved through heavy-handed pettiness and toy snatching. that does not work. it never has.

It's "umd", not "UMD".

noted.

stupid thing keeps trying to correct my smiley

:D

Yes, I can confirm it was here first. Speaking of that, I think you can put me down for one, the other design was becoming too much of a hassle. Did you say there would be matching bib shorts?

there can be if there's enough interest. i'll mention it on the... uh.. nevermind. you know where to look.

I just don't like having to bounce between 2 forums now to get my local information and general topics covered. Some day on a group ride somewhere, somebody is going to tell me what the heck happened here that caused so many people to run away. I must have been working or riding when it happened because all traces were deleted and I was blind sided.

+1000

I found out about the split well after the fact. I thought and still think that setting up the alternate SoCal forum is a mostly bad idea because it tends to break up the community. Still I can see why it may have happened. This forum has not been all that reliable lately, and the general level of trolling and culture clashes has been edging up over time as new members with different sensibilities have joined in the mix.

Online communities evolve over time, which is in itself neither good nor bad, but in this case, the abrupt departure of some very active members who provided quite a bit of informal leadership and energy to the forum has been very disruptive. The recent pissiness over competing jerseys is just a symptom of the tension, not the cause of it.

I do think that the current management of BF has handled the situation exceptionally poorly. Internet Brands is not going to go under because some members of one of their many forums drop out. There is no legitimate reason for deleting threads or censoring discussions of what has happened.

Hi,
I work with Internet Brands and I wanted to post here as a resource to you.

I am very familiar with the technical problems the site has been experiencing, and I really apologize for all the frustration it’s caused. I have posted in the Forum Suggestions & User Assistance (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?p=6476982&highlight=#post6476982) with updates

Also, I see that the discussion of site administration has come up here. I wanted to let you know that if you have real complaints about the administration of BikeForums.net, the right avenue for contacting Internet Brands about those issues is to email me at IBcommunity1@internetbrands.com.

I’ll be happy to answer any questions!
Thank you,
JuCo

Woa.

The split-off is not exactly a new idea...

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=264738&highlight=harassed

^^^ so this was a planned business venture?

Can we all agree that despite a few issues...that really in the whole scheme of our lives, are VERY minor...we like having the So Cal sub-forum and would like it to continue?

I'm asking because it's not inconceivable that the BF owners/management/whatever might decide that we are all a bunch of PITA's and just shut the whole thing down.

When I joined BF a few years ago, I mainly posted in the Road forum and that was pretty cool. But when Joe agreed to the SoCal forum, I spent about 90% of my time in here. It would be a shame to lose it.