Southeast Bikeforums Jersey (Interest Gauging Thread)

[crypticlineage]

Folks:

Norcal and Socal people are way ahead of us with local BF jerseys. :eek: It's been a while since the bikeforums jersey was made too. I am all up for a pair of bibs and a new southeast jersey.:D

If you'd like to see this happen, please post here. We can then solicit BF artists to unleash new designs. :)

[RonH]

Works for me. Just don't buy from Sugoi.

[crypticlineage]

Yeah, I don't really understand what is going on with all the meltdown on socal forums. Talking about making a jersey is not allowed anymore? If that is the case, I would leave BF for good.

[Bifnasty]

I am in. I alway need more jerseys and junk.

[CyLowe97]

Norcal and Socal people are way ahead of us with local BF jerseys.

Texas has two versions and Great Lakes has one.

C'mon Southeast. Get with the times, people! ;)

Here's a suggestion for you. Don't do a vote on this. It can get messy. What Psimet did for the Great Lakes jersey is he took control from the start in private. He put together a design, worked offline with a few others to tweak the idea, then had another forum member with a good head for designing on the computer to make some cosmetic changes so the graphics would stand out.

Once that was done, Psimet posted a public thread (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=348938&highlight=)and basically said, "Here it is. This is what we're getting. If you're in, come along for the ride." Once there were 10 people onboard, we knew it would happen.

Good luck and make them look sharp!

[cnickgo]

I like the idea, maybe we, with our charming southern hospitality can have a orderly and productive, maybe even half democratic, design contest?

O wait, this is the interwebz.

I'm in assuming the order doesn't go through this month. I'm already stretching it for my team kit. I would be willing to do administrative duties, as I have a good amount of free time on my hands.

Why not Sugoi Ron? Just wondering.

[RonH]

Anyone have any design ideas? Color schemes? Cost?

[JohnKScott]

I may be interested depending on how cool it looks and how much it costs :)

[crypticlineage]

Great! Looks like we have at least a few folks interested right now. We need to solicit some BFer artists to get some designs going.

I have gotten two Bikeforums jerseys in the past, one the original bf jersey and one from NorCal. Both were ordered from Champ-Sys. If possible I would like to try Voler this time, even though they're expensive. They seem to have better quality than Champ-Sys.

JohnKScott: My previous jerseys cost me about $60 including shipping.

RonH: Thanks for offering to do the administrative job. I would be willing to put some effort into it as well.

So.... any designers?

[cnickgo]

Ok, so I looked at several companies and ChampSys looks like the best. We just need a 10 jersey minimum, and then we can add on whatever else we want. Colors are unlimited. This is who SoCal is dealing with right now. Heres the price list:
http://www.champ-sys.com/index.asp?initpage=Custom%20Cycling

$45 Short Sleeve
$60 Bibs
The chamois is the same one they give to their pro sponsor teams. Looks pretty comfy to me.

Heres the link for templates:
http://www.champ-sys.com/index.asp?initpage=Custom%20Cycling

Do a design or sketch, anyway you want to do it, so we can get some ideas out there. Print out on paper and take a picture if you want, we can go from there trying to get somebody to do the vector work.

Interest List:
1.Crypticlineage
2.Wolfpack
3.RonH
4.Bifnasty
5.Cnickgo
6.JohnKScott
7.Pedal Wrench

Edit: The interest list is not a commitment. Simply a headcount and "mailing" list.

[cnickgo]

Great! Looks like we have at least a few folks interested right now. We need to solicit some BFer artists to get some designs going.

I have gotten two Bikeforums jerseys in the past, one the original bf jersey and one from NorCal. Both were ordered from Champ-Sys. If possible I would like to try Voler this time, even though they're expensive. They seem to have better quality than Champ-Sys.

JohnKScott: My previous jerseys cost me about $60 including shipping.

RonH: Thanks for offering to do the administrative job. I would be willing to put some effort into it as well.

So.... any designers?

Voler has a 25 minimum, and increases price with the amount of colors. That would depend heavily on our interest and design.

[RonH]

I have gotten two Bikeforums jerseys in the past, one the original bf jersey and one from NorCal. Both were ordered from Champ-Sys. If possible I would like to try Voler this time, even though they're expensive. They seem to have better quality than Champ-Sys.
I bought two of the original BF jerseys in 2002?/2003? and they were from Sugoi, not Champ-Sys. They were cut for slim European type riders. I had to get XXL (I believe) to fit my "American" physique. They hung down to my ..... Well they were too long.
I have a few jerseys from Voler (Velowear) and they fit very well. I wear size L.
Even though the Voler jerseys would cost a little more, I'd be willing to pay the extra cost.

Can't help with the design/artwork. I had Adobe Illustrator on my PC but gave the PC to a friend a month ago. I don't have anything like AI on my Mac :( .

[crypticlineage]

This is looking better :d. I am excited. I will ask around with my friends if someone can help us with designs. Or we will have to track people who did this before down.

[Pedal Wench]

Depending on final design, I could be in. Could we get women's cut jerseys too?

[BikeWNC]

I can't understand why the BF name has to be anywhere on the jersey. Are they paying for the advertising spot on the jersey therefore reducing our cost? If not, then I don't see the problem with leaving it off.

[RonH]

I can't understand why the BF name has to be anywhere on the jersey. Are they paying for the advertising spot on the jersey therefore reducing our cost? If not, then I don't see the problem with leaving it off.
The BF logo would help others pick you out in a crowd. Rather than just being a cyclist, you'd be a BF member/cyclist.

[CyLowe97]

Beware. Threads in the Southern California section got deleted because the jerseys did not incorporate Bike Forums into the design. It violated something in the user guidelines.

[BikeWNC]

Beware. Threads in the Southern California section got deleted because the jerseys did not incorporate Bike Forums into the design. It violated something in the user guidelines.

Count me out then. I don't feel like paying for someone else's advertising. Thanks.

[CyLowe97]

Brian, I hope my post above was not out of line. Perhaps you can explain to the folks here why the forum and Internet Brands do not approve of any jersey thread that does not incorporate the forum name and how it violates the guidelines of the board.

Some transparency and clarity from the admin team upfront here could help them understand what they can and cannot do when putting together a regional jersey.

[Brian]

Brian, I hope my post above was not out of line. Perhaps you can explain to the folks here why the forum and Internet Brands do not approve of any jersey thread that does not incorporate the forum name and how it violates the guidelines of the board.

Some transparency and clarity from the admin team upfront here could help them understand what they can and cannot do when putting together a regional jersey.

Yours was not out of line. In the past, Joe always approved jerseys that promoted the forums and fostered a sense of community amongst members. When the site was sold, the new owners assured me that they did not want to change things. Since they are not in the business of selling clothing, (and don't want to be) it was no trouble to get them to give their approval to members that wanted to participate in the design of a regional jersey that promotes the site.

The gray area is a design that does not incorporate the site name. At that point, it's more of someone else's commercial venture. There is no benefit to the site, and it's not fair to the paying advertisers.

Hope that offers a bit of clarification.

[cnickgo]

Who's commercial venture is it? The clothing company receives their business regardless of the design having BikeForums on it. Is it someone else's commercial venture, or BikeForums missing out on free advertising?

[StupidlyBrave]

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...fostered a sense of community amongst members...
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The gray area is a design that does not incorporate the site name. At that point, it's more of someone else's commercial venture. There is no benefit to the site, and it's not fair to the paying advertisers.

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A gray area would be neither allowed or explicitly disallowed. An uncommitted transaction :D I would also like to offer that these are arranged without a profit to the coordinator. Not even a free jersey. All "community service" if you will. I could be wrong about that, but that's my expectation and why I would be grateful to the coordinator for donating their time.

That said, I can't imagine anyone would make a forums jersey without the forum name on it. <shrugs>

Perhaps the coordinator would be so kind as to forward the proposed jersey for approval by the admin team prior to a public unveiling. This also incorporates Psimet's excellent idea mentioned by CyLowe97. If the admin team doesn't approve, you either redesign it or use some other site to collect interested parties.

Seems like a good idea to me, but I have no skin in this. Good luck. :D

[Alasdair]

I was actually a bit excited about the prospect of new cycling clothing, but thanks to the drama, I'm out.

I miss the old forums where we all just enjoyed talking about cycling and Big Brother was like a janitor who just came out to clean up messes.:(

[Brian]

A gray area would be neither allowed or explicitly disallowed. An uncommitted transaction :D I would also like to offer that these are arranged without a profit to the coordinator. Not even a free jersey. All "community service" if you will. I could be wrong about that, but that's my expectation and why I would be grateful to the coordinator for donating their time.

That said, I can't imagine anyone would make a forums jersey without the forum name on it. <shrugs>

Perhaps the coordinator would be so kind as to forward the proposed jersey for approval by the admin team prior to a public unveiling. This also incorporates Psimet's excellent idea mentioned by CyLowe97. If the admin team doesn't approve, you either redesign it or use some other site to collect interested parties.

Seems like a good idea to me, but I have no skin in this. Good luck. :D

There's no need for approval. If someone wants to wear a jersey promoting the site, I can't imagine that the owners would disapprove. But of there's no mention of BikeForums.net, wouldn't that make it just another jersey?

I was actually a bit excited about the prospect of new cycling clothing, but thanks to the drama, I'm out.

Do you apply that logic to all your purchases?

[StupidlyBrave]

There's no need for approval. If someone wants to wear a jersey promoting the site, I can't imagine that the owners would disapprove.



This is the crux of the matter, IMHO. The community is the people, not the database tables and web servers. These fine folks want a jersey to support an celebrate the community that that have created and/or found here. I think that is within the spirit of what was offered in the past. The whole of bikeforums.net and the community/communities there are different partitions. And they can have their own jerseys, tee shirts and other trinkets. ;)



But of there's no mention of BikeForums.net, wouldn't that make it just another jersey?


This is my opinion as well, but I am a disinterested party. As such, I am inclined to keep my trap shut about it (other than to say "http://bikeforums.net/forumdisplay.php?f=199 FTW!!!11!! Baybee!!!" ;) )

[Porter20]

Wow - I never expected this thread to spiral out of control. I always enjoy the SE Forum because we seem to show a lot of southern hospitality here vs. other boards here (such as Road Board). But there are a lot of understandable points on all sides.

My 2 cents:

1) we should check out Hincapie Sportswear. They are one of the top suppliers of the Southeast and since they are a relatively small company, they will work with you on numbers, etc.

2) I think there should be bikeforums.net somewhere, just to show our committment to the this board. At the end of the day, without this board, I would not have been able to learn & share as much with all of you. If people are very against that; then maybe we just have a jersey for the our SE ride in May.

Please don't rip me.

[Porter20]

I'm in if we can start with this as the base design. Just slap some BF propaganda on it.
Be kind. Become an organ donor.

Ha Ha!

What is scary is in the rural rural roads of northern SC (there is no traffic on these roads) but I can tell you of at least 4 times, I have seen that painted on the road. In one way, I feel like the TdF with stuff written on the road, then I read it & ride even faster because I wanna make sure I can out run the banjos!

[Alasdair]

Do you apply that logic to all your purchases?

Yeah, actually. Consumer's prerogative.

[Oleanshoebox]

pooped muhself

[drew55]

Believe the Great Lakes version is considerably better. Not trying to stir thing up but there's way too much ilvolved with the the pattern used. Please try to leave the stars and bar on the Georgia Flag and not on jerseys. Way too much drama involved just by getting that included into things.

[jaxgtr]

I'm in if we can start with this as the base design. Just slap some BF propaganda on it. Be kind. Become an organ donor.

Mod Removed pic of Star and Bars. Not needed.

[piper_chuck]

Count me out then. I don't feel like paying for someone else's advertising. Thanks.
Out of curiosity, how much do we pay for the use of THEIR site? Do they charge a membership fee? Do they constantly nag us to donate money to support the site? If they do, somehow I've missed it. I'm always disappointed when I see someone not willing to give a free plug for an internet site that someone else put lots of time and money into and then made it available to everyone else for FREE!

[jaxgtr]

Out of curiosity, how much do we pay for the use of THEIR site? Do they charge a membership fee? Do they constantly nag us to donate money to support the site? If they do, somehow I've missed it. I'm always disappointed when I see someone not willing to give a free plug for an internet site that someone else put lots of time and money into and then made it available to everyone else for FREE!

:)

[Pedal Wench]

I notice everyone opposed to including the BF name also lack the pretty red stars that some of us proudly display...

[IAmCosmo]

Count me in. I work as a graphic designer by day. I'd be glad to help in designing it if need be.

[RonH]

As I stated in an earlier post, I would want the BF name and logo on the jersey.

[crypticlineage]

I completely agree about having BikeForums.Net somewhere in large letters on the jersey. These jerseys are always made in the spirit of the awesome community we are members of. Keeping aside what forum owners want us to do and not, why would someone want to get a jersey that does not have BF logo. You could then just go buy a regular jersey from somewhere else.

Another point: A lot of cyclists wear expensive clothing from reputed companies that have massive logos and advertisements printed all over them. So really, you're paying for the clothing and you're advertising their products for free. Now that I have a big problem with. If you can put up with that, why does having bikeforums.net logo bother you? At least it promotes something that is free and very useful to zillions of cyclists around the world.

IAmCosmo: Thanks for offering to help with the designing. We do actually need designers to do this. I have no experience whatsoever with graphics stuff but would love to get involved in ordering, and/or shipping when things are received.

[cnickgo]

Someone else should pick up the interest list. Take me off. I wanted Southeast as the main focus, which is not going to happen. There are too many other jerseys for me to spend my money on that I would enjoy more.

[crypticlineage]

cnickgo: Who said southeast is not going to be the main focus? It is, but there should be bikeforums.net printed too. If not for this forum, we would not be talking about this jersey at all, don't you think?

[doghouse]

I thought the cannodale "RC and MoonPie jersey" was the Southeast jersey.
http://www.suburbansport.com/canrcmoonpie.html

My two cents on a source:

I have used www.velowear.com allez jerseys for my team for two Komen breast cancer rides. We have purchased sizes: small, medium, large, x-large, xx-large and a xxx-large. All fit true to Velowear's sizing chart, and the material rocks! They offer multiple color choices in both men's and women's sizes. The price gets cheaper with quantity, but you could actually order just 1. We have done matching T-shirts through them as well. Their customer service was the best I ever worked with for any custom anything!

In fact John K. Scott will be wearing the 2008 version with us this Saturday.

[JohnKScott]

I thought the cannodale "RC and MoonPie jersey" was the Southeast jersey.
http://www.suburbansport.com/canrcmoonpie.html

My two cents on a source:

I have used www.velowear.com allez jerseys for my team for two Komen breast cancer rides. We have purchased sizes: small, medium, large, x-large, xx-large and a xxx-large. All fit true to Velowear's sizing chart, and the material rocks! They offer multiple color choices in both men's and women's sizes. The price gets cheaper with quantity, but you could actually order just 1. We have done matching T-shirts through them as well. Their customer service was the best I ever worked with for any custom anything!

In fact John K. Scott will be wearing the 2008 version with us this Saturday.


Woo hoo!!!

(I hope the weather channel has got the weather wrong though... :eek:)

[doghouse]

"(I hope the weather channel has got the weather wrong though... )"

Me too! If not, then be sure you bring your gore-tex woolies.

Maybe we should just do our ride today.

[crypticlineage]

JohnKScott & doghouse: You guys ride with HBC? I am a member.

[JohnKScott]

JohnKScott & doghouse: You guys ride with HBC? I am a member.

No. But I've been thinking about joining (assuming you are talking about Harpeth Bicycle Club). I ride solo but would like to get more familiar with group riding skills and working my way up so I can hang with the fast guys (that will take a while :D). I'm a complete newbie when it comes to group riding and would need to start out with the slower riders for a while :D

[crypticlineage]

JohnKScott: Yes I was talking about HBC. We have lots of rides and some excellent clinics for beginners this year. The first clinic for beginners (very informative and useful) is on April 20th. You should sign up to be a member and take advantage of these clinics. If you send me your email address, I would be glad to forward more details.

[JohnKScott]

JohnKScott: Yes I was talking about HBC. We have lots of rides and some excellent clinics for beginners this year. The first clinic for beginners (very informative and useful) is on April 20th. You should sign up to be a member and take advantage of these clinics. If you send me your email address, I would be glad to forward more details.

Hey, I appreciate it! I have my eye on the website. Unfortunately I can't make clinics or rides on Sunday (usually). I might have to learn the old fashioned way and just come an join a Tuesday or Saturday group ride and get yelled at! :D I can probably handle the L2 rides but I'll keep my eye out for any Saturday beginner rides that come up as well. While the pace may be a little less than I'm used to on the beginner or L1 rides, I am sure I would learn some valuable pack riding skills. Besides, It's nice to just go out on a nice casual ride once in a while too!

Thanks for the heads up. When I get out for one of the group rides I'll let you know and maybe we can say hey!

:)

[adanthang]

If this thread doesn't die, I'd be in for 1-3 jerseys. Shorts too, if we went that route.

[doghouse]

"JohnKScott & doghouse: You guys ride with HBC? I am a member."

I am not either. I live up in Clarksville.

[crypticlineage]

Come on people, bring on the designs. Where are your artistic spirits? Enlighten us.

[crispx]

Voler and Hincapie are both euro cuts, meaning tight and you need to order them at least one-size bigger. Hincapie has very slow delivery too.
I don't know about Champion sizing, but their pricing is attractive.
Ordering and artwork development with these companies can be a real PITA. Complex graphics takes some real AI skills too.

This is the jersey a/w I did for the LM team:
http://atlbike.org/data/LMteamJersey20060211.png

The template is from Jek. We didn't use them as they couldn't meet the agreed upon terms. For small quantities <30, jerseys can be very pricey. Something like the Great Lakes Jersey is rather plain, but understanding the amount of work that goes into pulling it all together, I understand why it ends up that way. In the end, that's why most jerseys just end up being semi-custom... a stock pattern with logos and text pasted in, which is what most bike shops have.