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SamDaBikinMan
11-13-03, 10:06 AM
Ten most overpaid jobs in the U.S.
NewsTeam | CBS [MarketWatch] | POSTED: 11.10.03 @07:00

"Fair compensation" is a relative term, yet human-resource consultants and executive headhunters agree some jobs command excessive compensation that can't be explained by labor supply-and-demand imbalances. And while it's easy to argue that chief executives, lawyers and movie stars are overpaid, reality is not that cut and dry.

Corporate attorneys earning $500 an hour and plaintiffs lawyers pocketing a third of a class-action or personal-injury settlement certainly don't go hungry. Yet many local prosecutors and public defenders are hard-pressed to pay off law-school loans.


Hollywood stars, making $20 million a movie or $10 million per TV-season, qualify for many people's overpaid list. But for every one of those actors and actresses, there are a thousand waiting tables and taking bit movie parts or regional theater roles awaiting a big break that never comes.

"A lot of people are overpaid because there are certain things consumers just don't want screwed up," said Bill Coleman, senior vice president of compensation for Salary.com. "You wouldn't want to board a plane flown by a second-rate pilot or hire a cheap wedding photographer to record an event you hope happens once in your lifetime.

"With pro athletes, one owner is willing to pay big money for a star player and then all the other players want to keep up with the Joneses," Coleman said. "The art with CEO pay is making sure your CEO is above the median -- and you see where that goes."

What follows is a list of the 10 most overpaid jobs in the U.S., in reverse order, drafted with input from compensation experts:

10) Wedding photographers
Photographers typically charge $2,000 to $5,000 to shoot a wedding, for what amounts to a one-day assignment plus processing time. Some get $15,000 or more. Yet many mope through the job, bumping guests in their way without apology, with the attitude: "I'm just doing this for the money until Time or National Geographic calls."

They must cover equipment and film-development costs. Still, many in major metropolitan areas who shoot two weddings each weekend in the May-to-October marrying season pull in $100,000 for six months' work.

Yet let's face it; much of their work is mediocre. Have you ever really been wowed flipping the pages of a wedding album handed you by recent newlyweds? Annie Leibovitz and Richard Avedon they're not, but some charge fees as if they're in the same league.

9) Pilots for major airlines
Captains with 12 years of experience earn up to $265 an hour at Delta, United, American and Northwest, which translates to $250,000 a year and more for a job that technology is making almost fully automated.

By comparison, senior pilots at low-fare carriers like Southwest and Jet Blue make about 40 percent less. That helps explain why their employers are profitable while several of the majors are teetering on the brink of bankruptcy.

The pilot's union is the most powerful in the industry. It commands premium wages as if still in the glory days of long-gone Pan Am and TWA, rather than the cutthroat, deregulated market of under-$200 coast-to-coast roundtrips. Because we entrust our lives to them, consumers accept the excessive sums paid them, when it's airplane mechanics who really hold our fate in their hands.

8) West Coast longshoremen
In early 2002, West Coast ports shut down as the longshoremen's union fought to preserve generous health-care benefits that would make most Americans drool. The union didn't demand much in wage hikes for good reason: Its members already were making a boatload of money.

Next year, West Coast dockworkers will earn an average of $112,000 for handling cargo, according to the Pacific Maritime Association, their employer. Office clerks who log shipping records into computers will earn $136,000. And unionized foremen who oversee the rank-and-file will pull down an average $177,000.

Unlike their East Coast union brethren who compete with non-union ports in the South and Gulf of Mexico, the West Coast stevedores have an ironfisted lock on Pacific ports. Given their rare monopoly, they can disrupt U.S. commerce -- as they did during the FDR years -- and command exorbitant wages, even though their work is more automated and less hazardous than in the days of "On the Waterfront."

7) Airport skycaps
Many of the uniformed baggage handlers who check in luggage at curbside pull in more than $100,000 a year -- most of it in cash.

On top of their $30,000 to $40,000 salaries, peak earners take in $300 or more a day in tips. Sound implausible? That amounts to a $2 tip from 18 travelers an hour on average. Many tip more than that.

While most skycaps are cordial, a good many treat customers with blank indifference, knowing harried travelers don't want to brave counter check-ins, especially in the post 9/11 age. Their work is more mindless than that of a McDonald's counter clerk, who at least has to bag the order correctly.

6) Real estate agents selling high-end homes
Anyone who puts in a little effort can pass the test to get a real estate agent's license, which makes the vast sums that luxury-home agents earn stupefying.

While most agents hustle tail to earn $60,000 a year, those in affluent areas can pull down $200,000-plus for half the effort, courtesy of the fatter commissions on pricier listings.

Luxury home agents live off the economy's fat, yet many put on airs as if they're members of the class whose homes they're selling, and eye underdressed open-house visitors as if they're casing the joint.

5) Motivational speakers and ex-politicians on lecture circuit
Whether it's for knighted ex-Mayor Rudy Guiliani or Tom "In Search of Excellence" Peters, corporate trade groups pay astronomical sums to celebrity-types and political has-beens to address their convention audiences.

Former President Reagan raised the bar back in 1989 when he took $2 million from Japanese business groups for making two speeches. Bill Clinton earned $9.5 million on 60 speeches last year, though most of those earnings went to charity and to fund his presidential library.

The national convention circuit's shame is that it blows trade-group members' money on orators whose speeches often have been warmed over a dozen times.

4) Orthodontists
For a 35-hour workweek, orthodontists earn a median $350,000 a year, according to the Journal of Clinical Orthodontics. General dentists, meanwhile, earn about half as much working 39 hours a week on average, in a much dirtier job.

The difference in their training isn't like that of a heart surgeon vs. a family-practice doctor. It's a mere two years, and a vastly rewarding investment if you're among the chosen: U.S. dental schools have long been criticized for keeping orthodontists in artificially low supply to keep their income up.

This isn't brain surgery: Orthodontists simply manipulate teeth in a growing child's mouth -- and often leave adjustment work to assistants whose handiwork they merely sign off on. What makes their windfall egregious is that they stick parents with most of the inflated bill, since orthodontia insurance benefits cover nowhere near as large a percentage as for general dentistry.

3) CEOs of poorly performing companies
Most U.S. chief executives are vastly overpaid, but if their company is rewarding shareholders and employees, producing quality products of good value and being a responsible corporate citizen, it's hard to take issue with their compensation.

CEOs at chronically unprofitable companies and those forever lagging industry peers stand as the most grossly overpaid. Most know they should resign -- in shareholders' and employees' interest -- but they survive because corporate boards that oversee them remain stacked with friends and family members.

The ultimate excess comes after they're finally forced out, usually by insiders tired of seeing their own stock holdings plummet. These long-time losers draw multimillion-dollar severance packages as a reward for their failed stewardship.

2) Washed-up pro athletes in long-term contracts
Pro athletes at the top of their game deserve what they earn for being the best in their business. It's those who sign whopping, long-term contracts after a few strong years, and then find their talents vanish, who reap unconscionable sums of money.

NBA player Shawn Kemp, for instance, earned $10 million in a year he averaged a pathetic 6.1 points and 3.8 rebounds a game. Colorado Rockies pitcher Mike Hampton earned $9.5 million -- in the second year of an eight-year, $121 million contract -- and compiled a 7-15 won-loss record with a pitiful earned-run average of 6.15.

Thank the players' unions for refusing to negotiate contracts based on performance -- and driving up the cost of tickets to levels unaffordable for a family of four, especially for football and basketball. They point to owners as the culprits, yet golf star Tiger Woods and tennis champ Serena Williams earn their keep based on their performance in each tournament.

1) Mutual-fund managers
Everyone on Wall Street makes far too much for the backbreaking work of moving money around, but mutual fund managers are emerging as among the most reprehensible.

This isn't kicking 'em when they're down, given the growing fund-industry scandal. They've been long overpaid. Stock-fund managers can easily earn $500,000 to $1 million a year including bonuses -- even though only 3 in 10 beat the market in the last 10 years.

Now we discover an untold number enriched themselves and favored clients with illegally timed trades of fund shares. That's a worse betrayal of trust than the corporate scandals of recent years, since they're supposed to be on the little person's side.

Put aside what fund managers earn and consider their bosses. Putnam's ex-CEO Lawrence J. Lasser's income rivals the bloated pay package that sparked New York Stock Exchange President Dick Grasso's ouster. Lasser's take: An estimated total of $163 million over the last five years.

If only we were all so fortunate.

Chris Pummer is personal finance editor for CBS.MarketWatch.com in San Francisco.


I agree most with the real estate sales people figures. I have had some run ins with high roller agents who were not worth the ink in their signatures.


joeprim
11-13-03, 10:38 AM
Sam

Thanks it was an interesting post. Notable was the non-inclusion of media anchors - since it was done by CBS.

Joe

:)

Rev.Chuck
11-13-03, 07:28 PM
A freinds wife is a dental hygenist, two years of school, no college required. She makes $60,000+ from a 20-30 hour work week. Of course it would take more than 60K to make me spend the day with my hands in someone elses mouth.


Bikealot
11-14-03, 10:23 AM
I find it quite interesting that a person whos profile describes their profession as "leech, bum and unemployed" is so concerned with how much money someone else makes. Maybe you should consider getting your own job before critizing the compensation benefits of someone who is working. Just an acute observation.

joeprim
11-14-03, 10:52 AM
Actually I think Sam keeps quite busy.
Joe

Bobatin
11-14-03, 11:01 AM
I find it quite interesting that a person whos profile describes their profession as "leech, bum and unemployed" is so concerned with how much money someone else makes. Maybe you should consider getting your own job before critizing the compensation benefits of someone who is working. Just an acute observation.

Uhhh Sam did not write this article.

SipperPhoto
11-14-03, 11:23 AM
ack... looks like I fall in at #10... I don't earn nearly as much as most wedding photographers.. but then I do it mainly part time... and I will tell you.. for the 6-8 hours I work at each wedding... I work my ass off... it's a tough job... I'm usually wrecked the next day... I feel like I rode my bike 100 miles... maybe even worse... not too mention the time and money of trips to the lab, the time spent sorting, numbering, arranging pictures into an album.. the time spent with the bride after the wedding going over the proofs, and helping to put together her final album... it is a lot of work... I generally make about $1000 per wedding in my pocket, not counting the all the time I put in... this article is kinda lame... it must obviously be written by the same guy that writes about cycling not being a sport every year... ack

Jeff

TrekRider
11-14-03, 01:38 PM
The thing about pro-athletes and movie stars is what Reggie Jackson used to ball the power to put butts in seats. If they put enough butts in seats to cover their costs, they are a bargain.

Chi
11-14-03, 02:32 PM
Most of these jobs seem to have specific people working them. I mean, could I be a basketball player with a contract? I doubt it ... even if I worked hard. I'm only 5'9". It's not fair to generalize the fact that everyone should have a share of the pot. Otherwise, we'd all be communists. This is what capitalism is about. Whether you like it or not.

SamDaBikinMan
11-14-03, 03:03 PM
I find it quite interesting that a person whos profile describes their profession as "leech, bum and unemployed" is so concerned with how much money someone else makes. Maybe you should consider getting your own job before critizing the compensation benefits of someone who is working. Just an acute observation.

Do you beleive everything you read on the internet as fact? EEK!

SteveE
11-14-03, 03:19 PM
10) Wedding photographers
Yet many mope through the job, bumping guests in their way without apology, with the attitude: "I'm just doing this for the money until Time or National Geographic calls." Funny, my wife and I had a National Geographic photographer take our wedding photos. He did a good job, too.

Bikealot
12-05-03, 10:13 AM
Do you beleive everything you read on the internet as fact? EEK!
My response to your original post was in jest. I did sound crass, my bad. You mean to tell me that not everything on this forum is true? :D
No harm, no foul.

joeprim
12-05-03, 10:41 AM
Most of these jobs seem to have specific people working them. I mean, could I be a basketball player with a contract? I doubt it ... even if I worked hard. I'm only 5'9". It's not fair to generalize the fact that everyone should have a share of the pot. Otherwise, we'd all be communists. This is what capitalism is about. Whether you like it or not.

You're exactly right. I just don't like it much and can't imigane why anyone would pay the going price for tickets to any of the events. One week of no one buy and the price and therefore the saleries would come down.

Joe

LittleBigMan
12-05-03, 10:44 AM
Ten most overpaid jobs in the U.S.
NewsTeam | CBS [MarketWatch] | POSTED: 11.10.03 @07:00

Chris Pummer is personal finance editor for CBS.MarketWatch.com in San Francisco.
11. Personal finance editors.

:eek:

Guest
12-05-03, 11:09 AM
3) CEOs of poorly performing companies
Most U.S. chief executives are vastly overpaid, but if their company is rewarding shareholders and employees, producing quality products of good value and being a responsible corporate citizen, it's hard to take issue with their compensation.

CEOs at chronically unprofitable companies and those forever lagging industry peers stand as the most grossly overpaid. Most know they should resign -- in shareholders' and employees' interest -- but they survive because corporate boards that oversee them remain stacked with friends and family members.

The ultimate excess comes after they're finally forced out, usually by insiders tired of seeing their own stock holdings plummet. These long-time losers draw multimillion-dollar severance packages as a reward for their failed stewardship.

Yeah, I know exactly what that's about! The company I worked for that drove me out of the traditional job world had a CEO who did next to nothing, took the Administrator out for 3 hour lunches, showed up at 10AM and left work by 4PM, worked only 4 day workweeks, insisted on getting a car because she couldn't take public transportation, etc. etc. etc. Not to mention that I was left holding down the fort and I was expected to perform 4 jobs for one low, low price (not counting the work I had to do that she didn't do), and she was the most unprofessional, overpaid person I'd ever met.

We should seriously harm all CEOs if they can't perform.

Koffee

SD Fixed
12-05-03, 12:07 PM
A freinds wife is a dental hygenist, two years of school, no college required. She makes $60,000+ from a 20-30 hour work week. Of course it would take more than 60K to make me spend the day with my hands in someone elses mouth.

Nah, think pliers, welding gloves and butane torches.

SD Fixed
12-05-03, 12:08 PM
Just an acute observation.


Correction: you should have said:

"Just an anal observation."

'Cause, that's just about all it is from you.

a2psyklnut
12-05-03, 12:38 PM
Easy Will. You're skating on thin ice. No "name calling".

You've been warned!

L8R

SD Fixed
12-05-03, 01:27 PM
Easy Will. You're skating on thin ice. No "name calling".

You've been warned!

L8R

Can I use the spire rule?

SamDaBikinMan
12-05-03, 02:47 PM
My response to your original post was in jest. I did sound crass, my bad. You mean to tell me that not everything on this forum is true? :D
No harm, no foul.

No worries, this article was just kinda interesting but I am sure the whole thing is arguable.

I have also found the internet to be a really poor choice of information/fact finding for real research. How much knowledge prior to the internet that is available is not published to the electronic world? Most of it I think.

SamDaBikinMan
12-05-03, 02:48 PM
Can I use the spire rule?

What is the Spire rule again? Sounds sneaky.

SD Fixed
12-05-03, 02:58 PM
What is the Spire rule again? Sounds sneaky.

Let's say I'm gonna call you a lame bastard.

So I say "Sam, You're a lame bastard". I get moderated, as it's a violation.

Now, in the Spire world, it's different.

Let's say I'm gonna call you a lame bastard.

So I'll say "Sam, it's like you're a lame bastard."

See, I didn't exactly say you are.. just that you're like one.

Pretty durn clever!

SamDaBikinMan
12-05-03, 03:15 PM
But I am a lame bastard??? :D

I understand. Kinda cute isn't it. You get away with breaking rules because you can orchestrate a sentence to sound benign.

I rather like the direct approach myself.

TrekRider
12-05-03, 03:53 PM
Let's say I'm gonna call you a lame bastard.

WAAAHHHH! WHIMPER!!! WHINE!!!!! MOAN, GROAN and the sound of teeth gnashing!
:eek:
I am gonna sue on behalf of all those people whose parents are not married and have leg afflictions! These poor folks have taken it long enough!
:D ;)