Commuting - Commuter culture, commuter gear - do I have it wrong?

Im an old guy (50) who just took up bike commuting. I just completed my third week. I learned to bike through a snow storm, to feel what it is like to have your facial skin pelted by sleet in 30mph wind, to almost get hit by a woman in mini-van talking on the cell phone with kids in baby seats in the back, and how to dress properly, cool down properly.

So ... I have a few questions.

1) I live in a bike friendly town, I see dozens of commuters each day ... I make eye contact, give a friendly acknowledgement when they pass, say "hey" when we are at stop lights ... but they all are in their own world, seemingly angry or defensive. Is it because Im on a common Trek hybrid and they all have fancy road bikes? Or because Im using a milk crate lashed to my rack, maybe its because I wear a yellow caution vest and have my red-tail light on, or that I have fenders? Am I a total dork squad member or are commuters just in their own world?

2) Watery eyes. In the morning when its still 20 degree my eyes get all watery from the cold wind. Are there special glasses or goggles I should get.

3) Riding in the sleet/rain during a big blow was really painful against my face .. ouch. Whats the best way, to protect your face, without getting all sweaty, during ugly weather.

4) Im using my sailing gear to keep dry right now. If I stick with this I might get some more appropriate biking gear. Its working fine for now though .. except for the head ... I have a standard Giro helmet ... and my head is getting soaked in the rain. A hood didnt work. Is there anything I should look at to keep my noggin dry?

Thanks ...

Bill
Madison, Wisconsin

Im an old guy (50) who just took up bike commuting. I just completed my third week. I learned to bike through a snow storm, to feel what it is like to have your facial skin pelted by sleet in 30mph wind, to almost get hit by a woman in mini-van talking on the cell phone with kids in baby seats in the back, and how to dress properly, cool down properly.

So ... I have a few questions.

1) I live in a bike friendly town, I see dozens of commuters each day ... I make eye contact, give a friendly acknowledgement when they pass, say "hey" when we are at stop lights ... but they all are in their own world, seemingly angry or defensive. Is it because Im on a common Trek hybrid and they all have fancy road bikes? Or because Im using a milk crate lashed to my rack, maybe its because I wear a yellow caution vest and have my red-tail light on, or that I have fenders? Am I a total dork squad member or are commuters just in their own world?

2) Watery eyes. In the morning when its still 20 degree my eyes get all watery from the cold wind. Are there special glasses or goggles I should get.

3) Riding in the sleet/rain during a big blow was really painful against my face .. ouch. Whats the best way, to protect your face, without getting all sweaty, during ugly weather.

4) Im using my sailing gear to keep dry right now. If I stick with this I might get some more appropriate biking gear. Its working fine for now though .. except for the head ... I have a standard Giro helmet ... and my head is getting soaked in the rain. A hood didnt work. Is there anything I should look at to keep my noggin dry?

Thanks ...

Bill
Madison, Wisconsin

First of all you make me feel like a wuss for not riding yet. In my defense I run all winter. Second post a pic of your ride sometime, BFer's tend to apprecitate all bikes, espically with milk crates. Third I rant all the time about cell phones, I got hit jogging last with by some bimbo with a cell phone.

Last not all of us on road bikes are jerks, in fact i was thinking about that recently while watching a bunch of people chat at the Y. When i work out I dont talk much. I say hi to people I know or have ran with or something but that is about it except on the way in or out. I dont chat much when I run, I really do focus. on a road bike I have to focus on traffic and minimal inperfections on the road that may cause a flat if I hit them. Road bikes dont seem to do well if the rider doesnt pay attention. It is fun but you must focus. You think the road bike crowd is rude where you live try the road bike forum on BF, those guys are real jerks ;)

1) Every one of the reasons you listed, and many more. I've seen a few threads dedicated to the topic in the past few weeks. Mostly in The road forum, I think.

2) Sunglasses?

3) Not sure. Maybe a lightweight paintball mask? :D

4) Waterproof helmet covers (http://www.bicycleclothing.com/Waterproof-Breathable-Helmet-Covers.html) are available.

50 is not old. Now convince your body of that fact. :p

1) Overdone topic. Search for wave or something along those lines.
2) Wrap around glasses or goggles. I use the former and ride down to 5F with said glasses.
3) I have used a ski mask with a skull cap in conditions similar to that. I still get a bit wet from the weather and sweat but it is better than nothing.
4) LG or J&G helmet cover

Welcome to a great way to keep fit. 54 myself and been bike commuting for the last 15'ish years.

I've noticed that the really colorful guys on serious road bikes often tend to not wave back or say hi to us regular commuters. But then there's this bearded "Fred" that I've tried to nod or say Hi to that I see going the other way a lot and he's off in his own world and studiously avoids even making eye contact with me any more. Not sure why but his bike is rather odd so he may be an urban hermit or something. But most folks are quite friendly and nod or say "mornin'" back to me and there's a couple of riders that I'll pace and chat with along the way. It's quite common for me to share a few comments with riders at stop lights as well.

Wrap around safety glasses to stop the sleet would work and won't cut out the light like sunglasses would on dark and stormy days but won't protect your cheeks. We only get that sort of nonsense a couple of days a year so I've never bothered to look into options that it sounds like you need. I don't bother with glasses. I find that the brim of my helmet works decently to shield my eyes from the rain if I tilt the helmet down enough that I'm just peeking out under the edge.

I've not worried too much about the wet hair deal. I find I'm riding hard enough that only on the coldest days do I wish I had something to keep the rain out of my helmet. Mostly I think those covers are just to keep the worst of it off anyway. If it really bothers you then perhaps wear a swimmer's cap under your helmet?

My ears are the big issue for me. If they get cold for long it's instant headache for most of the day. So I wear a fleece headband that the local shops have just for cycling. It still lets air flow so I can hear what's going on but is warm enough. Another head band I found has fleece ear pieces with nylon outer to act as a wind proof layer. I only use that on the very coldest days since the nylon cover over the ears really affects my hearing. I can still hear stuff but I can't tell where it's coming from and it's muffled.

!) I don't expect people to wave or say high when driving my car, why should I expect it while riding my bike?
2) Ski goggles are a good idea.
3) Just get used to it. The sensation should be familiar from sailing.
3) I wear an LL Bean Stowaway hooded raincoat. The hood goes under my helmet.

Paul

1) I live in a bike friendly town, I see dozens of commuters each day ... I make eye contact, give a friendly acknowledgement when they pass, say "hey" when we are at stop lights ... but they all are in their own world, seemingly angry or defensive. Is it because Im on a common Trek hybrid and they all have fancy road bikes? Or because Im using a milk crate lashed to my rack, maybe its because I wear a yellow caution vest and have my red-tail light on, or that I have fenders? Am I a total dork squad member or are commuters just in their own world?

You may just be too sensitive. Some people will reciprocate, some won't, and if you try to push the issue, you will make them uncomfortable. Since you are in a bike friendly town, it is possible that they are afraid you are some kind of crusader who is out to change the world. In all honesty, some of my least favorite places to ride are bike friendly. I find that the population tends to be more polarized, people sometimes assume I'm one of those militant yahoos just because I'm out in everything (and then think I'm cool or that I suck because of that). I prefer to ride where no one gives a damn about how I get around.



2) Watery eyes. In the morning when its still 20 degree my eyes get all watery from the cold wind. Are there special glasses or goggles I should get.
You need vented glasses. Most glasses are not vented and will fog up, so get the right thing.



3) Riding in the sleet/rain during a big blow was really painful against my face .. ouch. Whats the best way, to protect your face, without getting all sweaty, during ugly weather.

Helmet with a visor. Tilt your head down and your face will be in the wind shadow cut by the visor.



4) Im using my sailing gear to keep dry right now. If I stick with this I might get some more appropriate biking gear. Its working fine for now though .. except for the head ... I have a standard Giro helmet ... and my head is getting soaked in the rain. A hood didnt work. Is there anything I should look at to keep my noggin dry?

Trying to dry is a waste of time. If you're going to be out in the wet, you need to come to terms with that and learn how to stay warm when wet. I wear a balaclava over my head, neoprene tights and booties, and a lightweight shell with layered jersies beneath.

BTW, 50 is not old. That's still prime cycling age.

I wear ski goggles in the winter and have some big wide safety glasses for the summer, or wraparound sunglasses on sunny days in the summer. I don't care what I look like any more, being 58 and beyond almost all embarrassment.

For face protection in the rain, I used to have the Bell helmet that came with the flip-up eye shield, but I got rid of it (30 years old) and miss it. I am looking for an idea for a replacement. One idea has come to mind, but it would cost $75+ to try it and I don't have that much money to totally waste. The idea would be one of those helmets that is a bit more rounded and comes down farther in the back--I think they are used for snowboarding. Add to that...one of those face shields used by riot police. In good weather I would look like el dorko supremo, but I think that if anyone saw me wearing it in pouring rain they would compliment me on my ingenuity. But if I bought the thing and then found out it would not attach to the bike helmet, I would be out $50.

So if anyone has an idea for face protection, I also would be interested in hearing it.

Im an old guy (50) Hey, make up your mind: are you an old guy or are you 50? Don't start with throwing contradictions at us. :)

Congrats on starting your bike commuting!


1) I live in a bike friendly town, I see dozens of commuters each day ... I make eye contact, give a friendly acknowledgement when they pass, say "hey" when we are at stop lights ... but they all are in their own world, seemingly angry or defensive. Is it because Im on a common Trek hybrid and they all have fancy road bikes? Or because Im using a milk crate lashed to my rack, maybe its because I wear a yellow caution vest and have my red-tail light on, or that I have fenders? Am I a total dork squad member or are commuters just in their own world?

This is an issue that gets discussed quite regularly on BF. There is definitely some snobbery on the part of people with fancier equipment, but commuters tend to be more like you: hybrid or mountain bike, milk crate or panniers, lit up like a Christmas tree. In other words, we're Freds and Wilmas and proud of it. But when there are so many of us out there, I feel that waving at everyone becomes a bit too much. It's different out in the boonies when you might see a lonely traveller every once in a while, but if you're, say, walking along a busy downtown street, you don't wave at every stranger - you'd be waving non-stop! I find it similar with bike commuting.


2) Watery eyes. In the morning when its still 20 degree my eyes get all watery from the cold wind. Are there special glasses or goggles I should get.

3) Riding in the sleet/rain during a big blow was really painful against my face .. ouch. Whats the best way, to protect your face, without getting all sweaty, during ugly weather.

Couldn't say about these ones. I just expose my face to the elements and cope with watery eyes and sleet on my face. The latter is almost pleasant - makes me feel alive. Anyway, hopefully you won't have to worry about this for a while since spring is here!


4) Im using my sailing gear to keep dry right now. If I stick with this I might get some more appropriate biking gear. Its working fine for now though .. except for the head ... I have a standard Giro helmet ... and my head is getting soaked in the rain. A hood didnt work. Is there anything I should look at to keep my noggin dry? First of all, if some clothes you already own are working fine there is no need to waste money some special clothes labeled "bike" clothes.
As for the head, there are waterproof helmet covers.

But when there are so many of us out there, I feel that waving at everyone becomes a bit too much. It's different out in the boonies when you might see a lonely traveller every once in a while, but if you're, say, walking along a busy downtown street, you don't wave at every stranger - you'd be waving non-stop! I find it similar with bike commuting.

I think that's really about it. Plus, bike commuting, and maybe race training, are about the "least fun" anyone can have on a bike (even though it's much more fun than commuting by car ;) ).

I think that's really about it. Plus, bike commuting, and maybe race training, are about the "least fun" anyone can have on a bike (even though it's much more fun than commuting by car ;) ).

And more fun than commuting by, ugg, public transportation :D

Im an old guy (50) who just took up bike commuting. I just completed my third week.


I'm not that far behind you and I don't feel old. My commuting by bike just started last December and I'm still learning all the time.

Since I don't encounter other riders during my commutes, I can't comment on their states of mind, but I'll at least weigh in on the other subjects:



2) Watery eyes. In the morning when its still 20 degree my eyes get all watery from the cold wind. Are there special glasses or goggles I should get.


My regular eyeglasses are all I have ever used, even in temperatures down below zero. I know for sure that my ski goggles are no good, since they fog too easily, but I ride hard. Others may have less trouble with them.



3) Riding in the sleet/rain during a big blow was really painful against my face .. ouch. Whats the best way, to protect your face, without getting all sweaty, during ugly weather.


My favorite piece of winter gear is my Seirus fleece-lined face mask. I wear it pretty much any time the temperatures are below 45 degrees and it's great protection against wind and sleet.



4) ... my head is getting soaked in the rain. A hood didnt work. Is there anything I should look at to keep my noggin dry?

I have no good answer. My helmet has snaps to attach a rain cover, but it prevents cooling, so I'm just as wet from sweating inside the helmet then. If the temperatures are 50 or above, it's okay to get wet. I don't enjoy the rain when it's colder.

A skull cap worn under the helmet is a good solution, because you are not covering the air vents you still have cooling, they will also keep you reasonably dry. I have the Bonehead Hat (http://www.polaris.in//category-6254/product-18013//BONEHEAD-HAT,-Black.html) from Polaris, it will also keep your ears nice and warm on those cold mornings.

I pass one bloke every night on my way to work. We never speak but we do raise a hand in greeting, he is in full hard-core kit, and his bike is a full suspension Marin that must have cost him a fortune... but there is no snobbishness in him because he will still acknowledge me on my sub £200 Raleigh. :D

Edited to add...


2) Watery eyes. In the morning when its still 20 degree my eyes get all watery from the cold wind. Are there special glasses or goggles I should get.

Yep, there are a lot of specs and goggles you can buy to stop streaming eyes, I suffer from watering eyes even on the warmest days. But don't be fooled into paying a fortune. You may see some hi end specs that are guaranteed not to mist, be super light, be held firmly in place, look ultra trendy and have wonderfull polychromatic lenses that will either enhance night vision (amber), or reduce UV... and will be expected to pay around £100 ($197 US) for... but you are paying for labels.

But if you are savvy you can find specs with the same features from Workplace Safety Stores for around £10 ($20 US)... and in some cases you would be hard pressed to tell the difference... safety specs can be very fashionable looking.

http://www.arco.co.uk/products/3C3300/121175/

plastic grocery bag works great to keep your head dry and warm under your helmet. But you will sweat.

a good rule of thumb is

if they are wearing spandex - don't wave
if the aren't - wave

Folks go on and on about how spandex is more comfortable, but by sheer amount of spandex folks that don't wave, I have to believe otherwise

:D

The wave thing gets brought up over and over. We don't (and I'm sure this applies to you too) wave to everyone we pass when we're driving or walking. We wave when we're in a novel situation and think we have something in common with the other person. So you're new to bike commuting and it's fresh and exciting. You're thinking "Wow, I'm bike commuting - this is great! Oh look there's another bike commuter! Hey, look at me! I'm a commuter too! Hey, we're both bike commuters!" Meanwhile the other guy has maybe ridden 1000 times in the past 10 years - it's nothing new or different for him, it's just another day. He's thinking "Whatever."

The wave thing gets brought up over and over. We don't wave to everyone we pass when we're driving or walking. We wave when we're in a novel situation and think we have something in common with the other person. So you're new to bike commuting and it's fresh and exciting. You're thinking "Wow, I'm bike commuting - this is great! Oh look there's another bike commuter! Hey, look at me! I'm a commuter too! Hey, we're both bike commuters!" Meanwhile the other guy has maybe ridden 1000 times in the past 10years - it's nothing new or different for him, it's just another day. He's thinking "Whatever."

I hike quite a bit, I have been out in the middle of nowhere up some fell in the Lake District and passed someone... I always say hello, or rather give them a traditional Lancashire greeting... 'OW DO!'. Quite few will reply, but a a good number just ignore me and keep their head down and plod on. But the moot point is, I will still give a word... it is their problem they are miserable gits... not mine. :D

It cost nothing to be friendly. But, okay I admit cycling is different, and I think most times it is down to keeping your eyes on the road and cars rather than ignorance. Mind you, in the UK we are a very friendly bunch!

1) I live in a bike friendly town, I see dozens of commuters each day ... I make eye contact, give a friendly acknowledgement when they pass, say "hey" when we are at stop lights ... but they all are in their own world, seemingly angry or defensive. Is it because Im on a common Trek hybrid and they all have fancy road bikes? Or because Im using a milk crate lashed to my rack, maybe its because I wear a yellow caution vest and have my red-tail light on, or that I have fenders? Am I a total dork squad member or are commuters just in their own world?



NOT this again!! :rolleyes:

Just concentrate on riding your bicycle, and don't worry about what everyone else is doing.

At first I didn't wave because I was still learning how to balance and was afraid I'd topple over if I did take one hand off my handlebars. But I always smiled and said hello, or if I was out of breath, nod smile and wheeze cheerfully. Some people won't bother to give you the time of day, but that'll happen walking down the street, or driving for that matter.

I wear wrap around glasses most of the year, when I do ride in the winter I wear ski goggles. I throw on a neoprene face mask for the really miserable days. It really completes the look...

I sweat in my helmet regardless of the number of ventilation slits in it, so I don't bother with a cover. But saying that, my ears get really cold really fast and even hurt inside when it is miserable outside. I bought a ski helmet with an attached liner and ear covers. Very comfy very warm. An added bonus is the strap on the back that'll hold my goggles. With my winter helmet and goggles on, a friend called me "Goggles Pizano".

Meanwhile the other guy has maybe ridden 1000 times in the past 10 years - it's nothing new or different for him, it's just another day. He's thinking "Whatever."[/QUOTE]

... you 100% got it. You know what ... I'm seeing stuff for the first time ... and I gotta tell you, its a lot of fun to see where I once was - and where I am now and seeing all the connections. In a small way - its like being a kid again.

Bill

First off, congrats on your commute!

1- Me: Commuter, necesity biking, occasional recreational. Neighbor: Road bike, fitness freak. I asked my neighbor about the 'attitude,' and he said its not about snobishness, its about breaking rhythm; cadence, breath, and speed. Whatever- seems snobby to me! Who cares what your bike looks like or how its outfitted- your not in junior high, so appearances don't matter (unless you're cruzing for chicks on your commuter, then maybe ditch the milk crate :) !).

2- I made it until -10 degrees with only simple safety glasses- Uvex: http://www.bac-dall.com.ar/images/uvex%20xc.jpg I was in a hurry one night (I leave for work at 8pm), and couldn't find my Oakley's, and figured out they did quite well. They have become my commuting glasses. No need to buy anything expensive.

3,4- A simple, yet versitile balaclava is what I use; once again, good for -10 degrees, and fairly waterproof. Stretchy enough to cover your whole face, or any variation you can come up with. http://mirror.altrec.com/images/shop/detail/swatches/OR0/1.20684_d.jpg It keeps my head dry, ears warm, and makes my son say, "You look like you're going underwater!" (he's three- amused at anything).

I think that's really about it. Plus, bike commuting, and maybe race training, are about the "least fun" anyone can have on a bike. LEAST FUN??? For me it's about the most fun. I love planning out my route, and totalling up my distance ridden, and the riding itself, taking in the sights and smells and sounds of the city, and the feeling of accomplishment as I arrive at my destination, and the warm fuzzy thought of a relaxing shower and a delicious supper as I'm riding home at the end of the day... Much more fun than pointless loops in some park or waking up on Sunday at an ungodly hour to drive to a country road and pedal around with a bunch of lycra-clad poseurs. :p

"Wow, I'm bike commuting - this is great! Oh look there's another bike commuter! Hey, look at me! I'm a commuter too! Hey, we're both bike commuters!" Meanwhile the other guy has maybe ridden 1000 times in the past 10 years - it's nothing new or different for him, it's just another day. He's thinking "Whatever." :roflmao: Well put.

, I will still give a word... it is their problem they are miserable gits... not mine.

Well put :D

LEAST FUN??? For me it's about the most fun. I love planning out my route, and totalling up my distance ridden, and the riding itself, taking in the sights and smells and sounds of the city, and the feeling of accomplishment as I arrive at my destination, and the warm fuzzy thought of a relaxing shower and a delicious supper as I'm riding home at the end of the day... Much more fun than pointless loops in some park or waking up on Sunday at an ungodly hour to drive to a country road and pedal around with a bunch of lycra-clad poseurs. :p

You catch my drift, though, right? I mean, commuting to work probably means another dull day at the office fixing computer code for the big Y2K crunch (well, ten years ago, anyway ;) ) or some other daily grind. And by "training", I mean riding by the numbers, checking your watts/hr or whatever and not just taking in the sights & sounds (and sometimes using loops in a park, too).

But yeah, commuting FROM work is definitely nicer. :)

LEAST FUN??? For me it's about the most fun. I love planning out my route, and totalling up my distance ridden, and the riding itself, taking in the sights and smells and sounds of the city, and the feeling of accomplishment as I arrive at my destination, and the warm fuzzy thought of a relaxing shower and a delicious supper as I'm riding home at the end of the day... Much more fun than pointless loops in some park or waking up on Sunday at an ungodly hour to drive to a country road and pedal around with a bunch of lycra-clad poseurs. :p

+1 Hi chephy, nice to see you're feeling better. I ran my Airzound out tooting it for you a few months back.:) Got another one though. I totally agree. At 56 I don't even consider my age in reference to commuting...I've been doing it over 20 years now and never fail to get a sense of accomplishment at either end of my commute(40 mi rt-rural, semi and urban, btw). To the OP : Congrats on your 'trial by wind/sleet/snow' and not giving up. There's a website called http://www.icebike.com which may have some relevant links to gear for your situation.

I started out comuting in Chicago and find that layering w/poly pro and or wool(100%) w/an Event or Gore-Tex shell Jacket and pants is best for cold/rain. All of my base layers are full length arms and hooded. I use a headband w/ear flaps and a balaclava for really cold days. Neoprene Booties(perfrormancebike.com has cheap ones) and Neoprene gloves. I used to use an old shower cap for my helmet cover or even a plastic grocery bag. They're just as effective as a Gore-tex cover and loads cheaper. I use a baseball cap and vented shop goggles(I drilled several holes in the lenses and now they never fog up) when it rains. The bill of the baseball cap keeps rain from 'pelting' my face directly and keeps my head warm. Invest in a couple of balaclavas of different weights and Sealskinz socks for wet weather...they're the BEST. And worth every dime. Gaiters are a good investment, too. Good luck and happy commuting! :D

PS: When I get to work I change clothes completely and hang my cycling clothes up inside out as they dry faster that way. My padded cycling shorts I hang in my locker. There's only so much info people are willing to process...:p I store extra socks, t-shirts(I work in a warehouse), jeans, toiletries, shoes and a can of Tinactin. By the time my shift is over everything is dry. Hope this info is helpful...don't worry about the 'wave'. People are people whether they're on bikes or not. The breaking cadence, concentration thing for roadies is legit...don't take it personal. I've done some group rides and the concentration level is very intense.

... you 100% got it. You know what ... I'm seeing stuff for the first time ... and I gotta tell you, its a lot of fun to see where I once was - and where I am now and seeing all the connections. In a small way - its like being a kid again.

Yes indeed. The world looks very different from a bicycle. Welcome aboard! :D

Ito almost get hit by a woman in mini-van talking on the cell phone with kids in baby seats in the back

Watch out for right hooks. The bike lanes in Madison are well laid out compared to average in the US, but at some intersections they do set you up for a right hook. Some drivers will be dumb and try to pass you, then turn too.


and how to dress properly, cool down properly.

No, you've got it for late fall/early spring *g*. Dressing for spring and summer are different... and we may even hit the 60s this week, so you'll get a taste of the differences. I'm just hoping I can someday get on my bike without a jacket again...


1) I live in a bike friendly town, I see dozens of commuters each day ... I make eye contact, give a friendly acknowledgement when they pass, say "hey" when we are at stop lights ... but they all are in their own world, seemingly angry or defensive. Is it because Im on a common Trek hybrid and they all have fancy road bikes? Or because Im using a milk crate lashed to my rack, maybe its because I wear a yellow caution vest and have my red-tail light on, or that I have fenders? Am I a total dork squad member or are commuters just in their own world?

If there's dozens, you're biking around downtown and the University, right? That'd be why :). Being on a bike is normal there. It's so normal that at the city planning meeting last week, there were a good half dozen people who arrived on a bike (maybe more, I'm not sure how full the Overture racks are most nights).

The upside is it means you can trust many drivers to treat you with respect - few stupid standoffs at intersections. The downside is it's normal, so if you tried to wave to every biker you see on State St or University Ave you'd fall off the bike :D. If you think there's a lot now, just watch. As it gets warmer, racks will get fuller and fuller (especially since they're working on the part of State St that had the most racks...)

(Oh, and milk crates are more of a summer thing... people who ride in all weather tend to spring for panniers or a trailer. More will start to appear as it gets warmer. Start reading Classic & Vintage too... admiring someone's vintage steel bike on a rack is a good conversation starter.)


2) Watery eyes. In the morning when its still 20 degree my eyes get all watery from the cold wind. Are there special glasses or goggles I should get.

For me, the watering only lasts for a minute or two. After my body adjusts, I'm fine.


3) Riding in the sleet/rain during a big blow was really painful against my face .. ouch. Whats the best way, to protect your face, without getting all sweaty, during ugly weather.

Balaclava. Or listen to your mother and wear a scarf. My male friends also swear by beards (tho I'm not *entirely* sure they're serious on that one...)

I use Safety Glasses too. USD9, King's safety glasses. I use the clear one for night riding, and it even blocks UV.

http://www.kingshoe.com.sg/RangeList.aspx?type=2&range=10

I enjoy commuting more than recreational rides too. Maybe there is something about getting somewhere on your own juice which is fun.

I smile if I can, especially if another commuter does. But frankly, I am too busy trying not to get knocked down by mad motorists to be able to wave. Hahaha!

LEAST FUN??? For me it's about the most fun. I love planning out my route, and totalling up my distance ridden, and the riding itself, taking in the sights and smells and sounds of the city, and the feeling of accomplishment as I arrive at my destination, and the warm fuzzy thought of a relaxing shower and a delicious supper as I'm riding home at the end of the day... Much more fun than pointless loops in some park or waking up on Sunday at an ungodly hour to drive to a country road and pedal around with a bunch of lycra-clad poseurs. :p

Speaking as a lycra-clad poseur with lycra-clad poseur friends, those sunday and saturday rides beat pretty much any commute hands down. :) Then again I am fairly social. Anyhow, I agree that out of a fun activity commutes followed by solo training rides are the least exciting. However, they are still a blast as long as one keeps them fun.

1) I live in a bike friendly town, I see dozens of commuters each day ... I make eye contact, give a friendly acknowledgement when they pass, say "hey" when we are at stop lights ... but they all are in their own world, seemingly angry or defensive. Is it because Im on a common Trek hybrid and they all have fancy road bikes? Or because Im using a milk crate lashed to my rack, maybe its because I wear a yellow caution vest and have my red-tail light on, or that I have fenders? Am I a total dork squad member or are commuters just in their own world?

Your setup sounds like mine! :D I just swapped a backpack for some panniers, though. And my caution vest is orange.

It surprises me when people say hi to me, since I'm usually off in my own little world and not expecting to talk to anyone, but I always make the effort to wave or say hi.

The wave thing gets brought up over and over. We don't (and I'm sure this applies to you too) wave to everyone we pass when we're driving or walking. We wave when we're in a novel situation and think we have something in common with the other person. So you're new to bike commuting and it's fresh and exciting. You're thinking "Wow, I'm bike commuting - this is great! Oh look there's another bike commuter! Hey, look at me! I'm a commuter too! Hey, we're both bike commuters!" Meanwhile the other guy has maybe ridden 1000 times in the past 10 years - it's nothing new or different for him, it's just another day. He's thinking "Whatever."

I generally don't wave when I'm caged in a motor vehicle. I generally wave when I'm able to make human contact (i.e., on foot, horseback, or bike). I've noticed as a general proposition that bikers in spandex have a difficulty making human contact. Your mileage may vary. We're really talking about two different cultures here. Normal culture and road bike culture. The two differ in my experience.

I used to use various greases to protect exposed skin during cold. Thick layer of zinc stuff on my nose to keep sun off and help keep rapid evaporative cooling from crisping things. I rarely got frostbite. Might check what mountaineers are using these days. For impact from sleet, big glasses and head down is about it for me. I have some old Bolle glasses that are huge.

I'd wave to you. :) Then again, I'm almost 50 and I'm up to the same thing you are. The roadies our for excersize aren't too friendly. They don't typically smell the roses, if you know what I mean.

The difference is they are out for their excersize and a lot of times are moving too quickly to hear much. Too bad they don't wave typically. I'm out there for my transportation. I get excersize, too, but at a more relaxed pace. I try to push it one or two rides a week, but I've found that I do wonders for my health just by getting that half hour ride in, twice a day, at even a modest pace.

I found glasses to be important safety gear. I've had a couple of bugs get in my eyes in the past and I hate that, plus I've swallowed a couple.:o It's hard to avoid them. :( I just wear shades that have removable lenses. I have three shields with them--clear, yellow and brown. I've got yellow in this time of year. Clear in the winter. Brown next month. They work well as safety glasses. These look like the Oakley M glasses, so they cover your eyes nicely.

I have never had a problem with cold rain hitting my face. Don't know why. I usually have a visor installed on my helmet, which helps a bit, I suppose.

I like hooded jackets (I know others don't--it's a matter of personal preference). Hoods stay in place nicely under a helmet and keep your head dry. My coat's water resistant so it's not so great in a heavy rain. In that case, I'll wear my bicycle rain cape. It's hood also goes under my helmet. I love it. The head stay dry, my body stays dry and cool. The bottom of the legs will get a bit wet, but I manage. Here's where I got mine:
http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=10130&memberId=12500226&storeId=226&catalogId=40000000226&langId=-1

I've got a Bell City Helmet. It has a rain cap, but it's a pain to snap on and I have to remove the visor, which I don't like doing. I don't use the rain cap anymore.

Im an old guy (50) who just took up bike commuting. I just completed my third week. I learned to bike through a snow storm, to feel what it is like to have your facial skin pelted by sleet in 30mph wind, to almost get hit by a woman in mini-van talking on the cell phone with kids in baby seats in the back, and how to dress properly, cool down properly.

So ... I have a few questions.

1) I live in a bike friendly town, I see dozens of commuters each day ... I make eye contact, give a friendly acknowledgement when they pass, say "hey" when we are at stop lights ... but they all are in their own world, seemingly angry or defensive. Is it because Im on a common Trek hybrid and they all have fancy road bikes? Or because Im using a milk crate lashed to my rack, maybe its because I wear a yellow caution vest and have my red-tail light on, or that I have fenders? Am I a total dork squad member or are commuters just in their own world?

I wouldn't worry too much about it, for reasons that have already been stated. Also, when I'm on a clean stretch of road and not having to worry about clueless/witless pedestrians/motorists, I do quite a bit of head-shedding. I don't zone out as much as I do when mowing the grass, but it's close. It's a cathartic exercise where applicable and I especially enjoy that time that I have to myself.

2) Watery eyes. In the morning when its still 20 degree my eyes get all watery from the cold wind. Are there special glasses or goggles I should get.

I wouldn't worry too much about goggles, but I would recommend some quality performance glasses. I've never found safety goggles a decent alternative to performance eyewear, especially since I need my Rx lenses to keep me alive. I honestly/highly recommend Wiley-X (http://www.wileyx.com/prescriptions/index.aspx) due to the fact that I've owned them for years and have used them in their initially intended tactical environment. They give me the most options with eyewear, i.e., straps, arms, strap/arm combo. The ones that I currently use have a padded neoprene inclement weather that is removable.



3) Riding in the sleet/rain during a big blow was really painful against my face .. ouch. Whats the best way, to protect your face, without getting all sweaty, during ugly weather.

Personally, I enjoy that stinging feeling against my face when it sleets and such, but I'm a youngster @ 38. I commend you and the others here for slogging along with me through the winters and such, no matter where you are. As for keeping you head warm, I wear a fleece beanie that does an excellent job covering my ears. You may want to check JensonUSA (http://www.jensonusa.com/store/sub/786-Headbands+And+Balaclavas.aspx) for some ideas on what you'd like to purchase in the future.

4) Im using my sailing gear to keep dry right now. If I stick with this I might get some more appropriate biking gear. Its working fine for now though .. except for the head ... I have a standard Giro helmet ... and my head is getting soaked in the rain. A hood didnt work. Is there anything I should look at to keep my noggin dry?


As has been said... If your sailing gear works, keep it and don't worry about any "biking" gear. I use my mountaineering gear and it works fine. As long as your layering under your shell with some quality fleece you'll be fine. I use UnderArmor as my base layer because it wicks and keeps me warm. If you're out there riding in the aggressive elements with the rest of us, you're going to get wet, plain and simple. It's only a matter of accepting that fact and driving on. Again, my fleece beanie keeps the water off of my head, but sweat is sweat and sweat is wet, so I'm wet regardless under my helmet.

Thanks ...

Bill
Madison, Wisconsin

HTH

Wrench

+1 Hi chephy, nice to see you're feeling better. I ran my Airzound out tooting it for you a few months back.:) Thanks, nashcommguy! I'm still very far from 100%, but I'm well enough to be riding. It must have been the Airzound that helped, for sure. :)

Speaking as a lycra-clad poseur with lycra-clad poseur friends, those sunday and saturday rides beat pretty much any commute hands down. :) To each his own. :)


Then again I am fairly social. You have enough breath to socialize during the rides?? POSEUR!!! :D

1) I live in a bike friendly town, I see dozens of commuters each day ... I make eye contact, give a friendly acknowledgement when they pass, say "hey" when we are at stop lights ... but they all are in their own world, seemingly angry or defensive. Is it because Im on a common Trek hybrid and they all have fancy road bikes? Or because Im using a milk crate lashed to my rack, maybe its because I wear a yellow caution vest and have my red-tail light on, or that I have fenders? Am I a total dork squad member or are commuters just in their own world?


I expect a lot of people, like myself, don't think of their commute as a social experience. I might smile given enough time to react, but otherwise it's hands firmly on the handlebars and eyes on the road (or maybe the scenery where possible).

Im an old guy (50) who just took up bike commuting. I just completed my third week. I learned to bike through a snow storm,

1. to feel what it is like to have your facial skin pelted by sleet in 30mph wind,

2. to almost get hit by a woman in mini-van talking on the cell phone with kids in baby seats in t

3. but they all are in their own world, seemingly angry or defensive.

1+2=3 ;)

Im an old guy (50) who just took up bike commuting. I just completed my third week. I learned to bike through a snow storm, to feel what it is like to have your facial skin pelted by sleet in 30mph wind, to almost get hit by a woman in mini-van talking on the cell phone with kids in baby seats in the back, and how to dress properly, cool down properly.

So ... I have a few questions.

1) I live in a bike friendly town, I see dozens of commuters each day ... I make eye contact, give a friendly acknowledgement when they pass, say "hey" when we are at stop lights ... but they all are in their own world, seemingly angry or defensive. Is it because Im on a common Trek hybrid and they all have fancy road bikes? Or because Im using a milk crate lashed to my rack, maybe its because I wear a yellow caution vest and have my red-tail light on, or that I have fenders? Am I a total dork squad member or are commuters just in their own world?

2) Watery eyes. In the morning when its still 20 degree my eyes get all watery from the cold wind. Are there special glasses or goggles I should get.

3) Riding in the sleet/rain during a big blow was really painful against my face .. ouch. Whats the best way, to protect your face, without getting all sweaty, during ugly weather.

4) Im using my sailing gear to keep dry right now. If I stick with this I might get some more appropriate biking gear. Its working fine for now though .. except for the head ... I have a standard Giro helmet ... and my head is getting soaked in the rain. A hood didnt work. Is there anything I should look at to keep my noggin dry?

Thanks ...

Bill
Madison, Wisconsin

You're not too old Bill. I'm a little over a month away from being 56 years old. Started commuting over a year ago. I ride in Cleveland - same crappy weather. I ride 5.5 mi. each way and in the cooler weather I wear my work clothes. I've added rainpants, rain jacket, balacava and some good gloves. Whatever keeps you warm and cpmfortable is okay. Glad to hear you're hanging in there and keep on riding my friend. Best of luck.

To each his own. :)

You have enough breath to socialize during the rides?? POSEUR!!! :D

Well... I can't really ride at the moment. Still healing. I can ride a trainer as of today. *snore*
Anyhow, the groups I ride with are no drop rides. :)

I'd wave to you. :) Then again, I'm almost 50 and I'm up to the same thing you are. The roadies our for excersize aren't too friendly. They don't typically smell the roses, if you know what I mean.

The difference is they are out for their excersize and a lot of times are moving too quickly to hear much. Too bad they don't wave typically.

You just wrote the reason why they "don't wave typically", so why are you saying "too bad"? Your "exercise" is more laid back -- if someone is trying to get the best workout they can, are they going to want to constantly be taking a hand off the bar to wave? I know I wouldn't. You might get a head nod but that would be it. If you then decided to interpret the lack-of-wave as indicative of my being "not too friendly" or not wanting to "smell the roses", you'd just be making crap up. Making crap up about what's going on in other people's heads is a good way to isolate yourself from them -- not very "friendly", is that?

I'm almost a decade older than you are so stop this "old guy" stuff. I don't usually waive but do "waive back" when I notice other's waiving. If they are travelling in the opposite direction I don't usually see them as the roads I am on are usually 4+ lanes. I do say hi to those I pass or meet at stop lights. Most say hi back. I do waive at motorists who see me and refrain from pulling out in front of me or otherwise behave courteously. I also stop at lights, signal when I turn and try to obey the rules of the road. I really enjoy commuting and have been doing it year around for 2 1/2 years now about 25 miles round trip.

1+2=3 ;)

+1 :D

If I'm being pelted by sleet in a 30 mph wind while trying to dodge traffic ... I'm kind of focussed on the task at hand, and not feeling particularly sociable at that moment.

Welcome to commuting.

As far as the other riders go, I have no idea. I think it's people in general. I have run into roadies that are very nice, and some are snobs. I have also run into commuters who are very nice, and some were snobs. There's snooty people everywhere you go.

When it comes to glasses for watery eyes. I gave up. I tried many kinds, no works. My eyes just water. Period.


Now, for the more important issue. For a good cold weather jacket for rain and sleet, etc, I just picked this one up for $75 on sale now at Performance Bike. I recommend it, even though I haven't used it yet. The quality seems very good, equal to other jackets I have seen in the $130-$150 range, so you can't go wrong.

Link to my review thread.

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=408726