It has been discussed here <http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-27683.html> but there didn't seem to be a clear answer. Velocityusa.com listed a few online/offline retailers but I am yet to find one that listed the 406mm pair in their own website. Site like <http://www.bikemania.biz/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Velocity_Thracian> only shows recumbent configurations. I am under the impression that the 406mm pairs are available instead of 406/26in recumbent combo. I would like to know how much they are? Are they even available in Canada? If not, can they be shipped to me via USPS (not UPS or Fedex). Frankly I am fed up with having to contact each and every listed stockist, and wait for a response that they can build me a set of wheels to my specs for this sum of money. These are supposed to be decently made, decently priced and ready to install, and I would like to pursue this option first before signing a contract with a master wheel builder
Appreciate any comment/pointer.
I found these after posting:
www.hostelshoppe.com (http://www.hostelshoppe.com/cgi-bin/readitem.pl?Accessory=1181663187) listed 406 rear wheel only.
HED in USA (http://www.hedcycling.com/wheels/recumbent.php)
4cmd3
04-15-08, 08:13 PM
Make sure you get the correct hub spacing.
Many bikes have a 130mm rear hub spacing ("road" size) and that one has a 135mm spacing (more "mtb")...
Oink
04-15-08, 08:33 PM
135mm is the right size for my Pashley Moulton FX8. Thanks for the pointer. Strange that they don't list a 406mm front wheel, except in a recumbent package. hostelshoppe also ship Fedex only :( sigh
doco
04-15-08, 09:44 PM
Do you need a 406 wheelset?
if you could get a set of 406 rims, would that work? ( you get a hub up there and build your own?)
BTW you have really nice Moulton, color combo with the Honey Brooks=perfection:)
Oink
04-16-08, 05:24 AM
Thanks Doco,
I am keen to learn the art of wheelmaking and will eventually get there I hope. I bought a truing stand last year and reading a book on the subject. Right now I think it is cheaper to get a wheelset like the Velocity, I may be very wrong, though. Sourcing hubs, spokes and 406mm rims can be tiring, especially if you are not willing to pay MSRP+shipping+taxes on each item. The stock Pashley branded hubs on the Moulton are heavy! They are currently the weakest links on the bike.
I will consider the rims/spokes/hub option if some knowledgeable lbs can sell me a set of correct parts at a fair price. Right now, it is hard to even get non BMX 406mm tires locally.
jur
04-16-08, 05:27 AM
You might have better luck if you google for a local recumbent shop.
Oink
04-16-08, 05:55 AM
You might have better luck if you google for a local recumbent shop.
or HPV shops... I have done that. Some gave me that stock answer I mentioned, most never cared enough to reply. Anybody here knows of any folding bike/recumbent/hpv shops in Montreal they can recommend?
Shops that never answered my email:
http://1hpcycles.com/ in Montreal
http://www.jvbike.com/ in Vancouver
downtube
04-16-08, 07:07 AM
or HPV shops... I have done that. Some gave me that stock answer I mentioned, most never cared enough to reply. Anybody here knows of any folding bike/recumbent/hpv shops in Montreal they can recommend?
Shops that never answered my email:
http://1hpcycles.com/ in Montreal
http://www.jvbike.com/ in Vancouver
I sell the Thracian wheels, they come in front or rear 406's ( or both ), machined or non-machined rims, disc or non disc hubs ( rear must be 135mm for disc ).
Thanks,
Yan
vik
04-16-08, 07:28 AM
I got my 406 Velocity Thracians from Nanda @ Spin Cyclz (http://www.spincyclz.com/)....really nice guy and the price was right.
Nice wheels. I've got Velocity wheels on 3 of my bikes with nothing, but things to say.
Oink
04-16-08, 07:46 AM
Thanks folks, PMs and email sent for information.
@vik, how was your experience with cross border shipping from Spin Cycl? They don't mention the possibility of purchasing wheels alone
pm124
04-16-08, 09:26 AM
Everyone on this forum can vouch for Yan. By the way, what is the front OLD on your Moulton? Aren't they extra narrow hubs?
vik
04-16-08, 09:36 AM
Thanks folks, PMs and email sent for information.
@vik, how was your experience with cross border shipping from Spin Cycl? They don't mention the possibility of purchasing wheels alone
Contact Nanda by email. He was very helpful and not everything he has is listed on the site. Getting the wheels across the border was no problem. Just ask for them to be shipped by USPS [not UPS or FEDEX]. You'll pay a $5 handling fee + GST & PST. Lately I have had several bike parts orders from the US just show up at my mailbox with no customs charges or taxes - sweet!
4cmd3
04-16-08, 09:47 AM
Yan - just a quick note, your web links for the Thracian are 404
http://www.downtube.com/wheels_road.html
cheers
Oink
04-16-08, 01:40 PM
Yan came through... Now I need to work out if I want to allow for disc brakes or not... well, never mind. Didn't know disc brakes require special braze-ons on frame...
Thank you every one
Oink
04-16-08, 02:17 PM
Everyone on this forum can vouch for Yan. By the way, what is the front OLD on your Moulton? Aren't they extra narrow hubs?
Front is 100mm, the "new" series are 70mm. Is 100mm standard?
doco
04-16-08, 03:18 PM
100mm standard
invisiblehand
04-16-08, 03:53 PM
100mm standard
+1
I think that confusion is that the Pashleys use the standard width ... fancy Moultons use the 70mm (74mm? anyone clarify?).
vik
04-16-08, 04:19 PM
+1
I think that confusion is that the Pashleys use the standard width ... fancy Moultons use the 70mm (74mm? anyone clarify?).
Any idea why they would use a non-standard width for the front hub? I assume there is some advantage that would make dealing with a special hub size worthwhile, but I can't think of it off the top of my head.
invisiblehand
04-16-08, 04:24 PM
Any idea why they would use a non-standard width for the front hub? I assume there is some advantage that would make dealing a special hub size worthwhile, but I can't think of it off the top of my head.
Dahon writes that the narrower hub is (1) lighter and (2) stronger for smaller wheels. Regarding (2), my guess is that it must have to do with the spoke angle from the hub flange to the rim and some tradeoff between lateral and vertical forces.
I have had only one year of physics ... so don't take my opinion seriously. So any engineers or really experienced wheel builders have an opinion?
EDIT: Oh ... the fork can be narrower too ... for a more narrow/compact fold.
pm124
04-16-08, 05:57 PM
Dahon writes that the narrower hub is (1) lighter and (2) stronger for smaller wheels. Regarding (2), my guess is that it must have to do with the spoke angle from the hub flange to the rim and some tradeoff between lateral and vertical forces.
I have had only one year of physics ... so don't take my opinion seriously. So any engineers or really experienced wheel builders have an opinion?
EDIT: Oh ... the fork can be narrower too ... for a more narrow/compact fold.
Also no physicist, but that's my understanding as well. Seems like it might put a touch more stress on the bearings(?), but the tradeoff in terms of less spoke angle and hub is worth it.
doco
04-18-08, 06:50 PM
Any idea why they would use a non-standard width for the front hub? I assume there is some advantage that would make dealing with a special hub size worthwhile, but I can't think of it off the top of my head.
narrower hub is (1) lighter and (2) stronger for smaller wheels. Regarding (2), my guess is that it must have to do with the spoke angle from the hub flange to the rim and some tradeoff between lateral and vertical forces.
I have had only one year of physics ... so don't take my opinion seriously. So any engineers or really experienced wheel builders have an opinion?
EDIT: Oh ... the fork can be narrower too ... for a more narrow/compact fold.
Newer APB's and TSR's are 100mm
the moulton new series speed and IIRC older AM 's are 70mm front hub
the reason why is narrow front reduces air drag
oh also maybe the newer pylons and double pylons maybe 70mm front too