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The Historian
04-30-08, 07:33 AM
Well, sort of.

As Neil F. and I have reported on the Touring forum, we had angry words exchanged during the last day of our overnight camping tour. For several miles we rode separately. But these two headstrong Capricorns were able to unlock their horns over ice cream at Moccia's in Schwenksville, and so all the dispute was good for was to make an attention-grabbing intro to a ride report.

This overnight trip was to be the first time camping for both of us. And since we are going to be riding on a gravel trail and camping 3 or 4 nights, I chose the best test track I could find - Green Lane Park and its Deep Creek Lake Campground:

http://www.suburbancyclists.org/images/GreenLanePark467x322.jpg

Green Lane is the final stop on the Perkiomen Trail, which consists largely of gravel and cinder for its 20 mile course:

http://www2.montcopa.org/parks/cwp/imageserver,Path,parks/cpvpareapost.jpg,AssetGUID,618f4508-2f33-41c4-aad8ab1604d096aa.jpg

We were off to a delayed start Saturday morning - one Neil forgot to seal his tent. (Since I left out last names, you can guess who.) Both bikes were wobbly, and mine excessively so, since I decided for some odd reason to carry both rear panniers and a trailer. We sped downhill along Rt. 23, stopped at the Revolutionary War Cemetery in East Vincent:

http://eastvincent.org/vertical/Sites/%7B5B8F1E55-6CA8-450E-BB40-12A8385B1313%7D/uploads/%7B3EA51E64-5583-4510-A955-C81A8ED8D5B6%7D.JPG

Then through Phoenixville to the new trailhead on the Schuylkill River Trail. We followed it up to Audubon, and visited Mill Grove, the John James Audubon home, which is a museum devoted to the artist's work. Here we see a first edition of the Birds of America, the so-called "double elephant folio" (named for the size of the pages):

http://www2.montcopa.org/historicsites/cwp/imageserver,Path,historicsites/images/tour-millgrove/photorecall%20trial/mill%20grove/web/picture5.jpg,AssetGUID,14dd7b4d-88bb-4537-b269a3c5a5e8656c.jpg

Neither Neil wanted to ride our bikes down the 9 per cent grade on the trail at Mill Grove, so we returned to the Perkiomen Trail and trudged north. We were passed by another Clydesdale poster, "freemti" on HIS trip north to camp, and didn't find out about it until after we got back.

The threatened rain held off for most of the day, and we arrived at Green Lane around 5:00 PM, 36 miles later. We learned how to pitch our tents, and Neil F. put my stove to use - I cheated and brought a hoagie for dinner. We befriended Patrick, a student at a nearby college who was having trouble with his stove. Our new friend was training for a possible hike of the Appalachian Trail this summer, so Neils on Wheels were happy to provide "trail magic" for him and let him use my stove. Besides, in a camp filled with obese RV users, the non-motorized campers had to stick together. We retired about 8:30 PM, and I was soon asleep.

We awoke the next morning to a cold and overcast sky. It had rained and thundered overnight, and while we were dry, the ground and tents were a mess. Thanks to breakfast, inexperience, and sloth, we took three hours to break camp. I didn't notice the strain my friend Neil was under that morning. I said and did things as we were leaving that wouldn't have been a problem under other circumstances, but pushed my friend to the breaking point. The break happened when, in a moment of annoyance, I told Neil I was sorry I brought him out for the ride. This was not only hurtful, but also a lie. And the lie did its damage. So I rode on alone for about eight miles along the Perkiomen Creek.

http://www.pedf.org/perk.jpg

The sun had come out, and the sunlight reflected off the creekbed rocks as the water danced southward. I was riding my bike amid glorious nature, having successfully camped for the first time in my life, and I couldn't enjoy it as I should because of my thoughtlessness towards someone I care about. I pushed onwards, hoping I'd catch up to Neil and I could apologize. He wasn't in Green Lane Borough. He wasn't at the bridge at Spring Mount, nor at the 12 percent grade near that bridge. I passed Patrick hiking back to his dorm and asked him how long before Neil F. had passed. "15 minutes" he said. My heart sank. Neil F. could maintain that lead and make it to the trail end without my catching up. All he needed to do was head south on the Schuylkill River Trail to Norristown, where he could catch a train to take him home without seeing me again. I tried to pick up speed and pedaled on. My rear panniers were stuck in my trailer, so while I didn't weigh much less, I was more stable, and could ride faster.

Fortunately for me, Moccia's is directly on the trail, and Neil has a fondness for milkshakes. They were open that morning, and he stopped for one:

http://www.princessleia.com/images/schwenksville/moccias_junction.jpg

I caught Neil mid-slurp, and apologized. He smiled and let me ride with him the rest of the way.

The only additional landmark we visited was Lock 60 of the Schuylkill Canal, across the river from Phoenixville:

http://www.schuylkillcanal.com/restoration/images/Lock601BarryTag4.05.jpg

We arrived at my home about ten after four, Neil F. pulling in about ten minutes before me because I needed to stop for water. 70 miles for the weekend, and despite some unpleasantness and tension, a triumph for Neils on Wheels. As usual.

Tom Stormcrowe
04-30-08, 10:27 AM
Anytime you have more than one person in a relationship of any kind, you'll have conflicts and arguments. ;)

You both learned something here.

The Historian
04-30-08, 09:50 PM
Anytime you have more than one person in a relationship of any kind, you'll have conflicts and arguments. ;)

You both learned something here.

Yes, we did. We learned that no one on the Clyde forum has any interest in Neils on Wheels adventures. :D

scottmorrison99
04-30-08, 09:53 PM
Incorrect. Nice ride report and great pictures. Thanks for sharing.

UniversalFrost
04-30-08, 10:20 PM
Anytime you have more than one person in a relationship of any kind, you'll have conflicts and arguments. ;)

You both learned something here.

really?

My wife argues with herself all the time, just adds a spin to the "normal" couples bickering :p

thanks for the road trip report. Looking forward to doing a trip with a co worker this summer through the sonoran desert, wonder if I will have to worry about coming to blows or riding alone? Oh well, the voices in my head will keep me company. :D

Mr. Beanz
04-30-08, 10:28 PM
Wow, beautiful pics! Glad you were able to mend things with your friend!

bigtruck
04-30-08, 10:37 PM
Yes, we did. We learned that no one on the Clyde forum has any interest in Neils on Wheels adventures. :D

Not true at all, Keep the reports up

Tom Stormcrowe
04-30-08, 10:40 PM
Well, sometimes it only takes one as well. ;)

Reminds me of my sister in law.

She could be alone on a desert island, get into an argument with herself and then kill the other person in the argument. ;)

really?

My wife argues with herself all the time, just adds a spin to the "normal" couples bickering :p

thanks for the road trip report. Looking forward to doing a trip with a co worker this summer through the sonoran desert, wonder if I will have to worry about coming to blows or riding alone? Oh well, the voices in my head will keep me company. :D

Mazama
05-01-08, 01:15 AM
How does that hard-packed gravel trail stand up to a clyde, especially on road tires. Doesn't the tire dig in? I'm wondering because I have an opportunity to ride some gravel trails this summer, but I am leary of doing so.

Nice pictures-you still have SNOW?!?!

Little Darwin
05-01-08, 05:21 AM
Yes, we did. We learned that no one on the Clyde forum has any interest in Neils on Wheels adventures. :D

Or that clydes are sometimes sporadic at reading the forum.

I am glad that the split was only temporary.

Nice report and pictures. :)

The Historian
05-01-08, 05:26 AM
How does that hard-packed gravel trail stand up to a clyde, especially on road tires. Doesn't the tire dig in? I'm wondering because I have an opportunity to ride some gravel trails this summer, but I am leary of doing so.

Nice pictures-you still have SNOW?!?!

Speaking of arguments, Neil F. doesn't let me post his Flickr photos until his Crazy Guy On A Bike journal is complete. I pulled all these photos from the Internet.

I do wish he'd finish, if only so you guys could see me with a beard. I've channeled my inner Stormcrowe. :D

I'm riding 32 cm hardcase tires, so they handle gravel OK. For the big Pittsburgh-DC trip in 30 days I've ordered 38 CM cyclecross tires, which should help me handle the gravel better.

bautieri
05-01-08, 06:51 AM
Just goes to show that there is nothing that ice cream cant fix :D

Looks like you had a nice ride, did you enjoy the camping?

The Historian
05-01-08, 06:55 AM
Just goes to show that there is nothing that ice cream cant fix :D

Looks like you had a nice ride, did you enjoy the camping?

I did. Or at least as much as I enjoy anything - I'm a pretty dour guy, as you know. I'll let Neil F. answer for himself, since I don't want to provoke another argument.

bab2000
05-01-08, 07:47 AM
Yes, we did. We learned that no one on the Clyde forum has any interest in Neils on Wheels adventures. :DNot true. Much appreciated the share of pictures and the narrative.

Glad differences were mended over ice cream, yet it seem a shame you parted for the return ride as discussed. A team regardless of views should always stick together, if not it is most difficult to make the required adjustments.;)

bautieri
05-01-08, 07:48 AM
I did. Or at least as much as I enjoy anything - I'm a pretty dour guy, as you know. I'll let Neil F. answer for himself, since I don't want to provoke another argument.

Oh phoey, I bet deep down you were tickled pink to be camping with your buddy. Dourness aside I think it's great that you had a chance to do something you never have before. It just goes to show how far you've come. I do hope things get better with you and Neil.

The Historian
05-01-08, 07:59 AM
Oh phoey, I bet deep down you were tickled pink to be camping with your buddy. Dourness aside I think it's great that you had a chance to do something you never have before. It just goes to show how far you've come. I do hope things get better with you and Neil.

Oh, things have improved.

BTW, weather permitting, I'm repeating the trip this weekend. Wanna come?

bautieri
05-01-08, 10:01 AM
Oh, things have improved.

BTW, weather permitting, I'm repeating the trip this weekend. Wanna come?

PM sent.

epcolt
05-01-08, 10:08 AM
I ride gravel rail/trail all the time with normal street tires on my old Raleigh 27"-1 1/4 that I got at WalMart with no issues. Most gravel trails are hard packed

neilfein
05-01-08, 10:21 AM
Camping was a lot of fun! There was a moment around 5am when I woke up, freezing cold, and thought we were in trouble. I forgot that the hour just before sunrise is the coldest part of the day.

Cooking with Neil's gas stove was fun as well.

neilfein
05-01-08, 10:36 AM
I do wish he'd finish, if only so you guys could see me with a beard. I've channeled my inner Stormcrowe. :D
I'm riding 32 cm hardcase tires, so they handle gravel OK. For the big Pittsburgh-DC trip in 30 days I've ordered 38 CM cyclecross tires, which should help me handle the gravel better.

I'm halfway throught the text, and shouild have it up very soon. Neil, you're a better writer than me, why don't you do a full journal as well? It'd be fun to see us telling completely different stories of the same trip.

Next time, I leave the voice recorder on for the whole ride. Huh huh huh huh huh. I said "ride".

The Historian
05-01-08, 08:35 PM
Camping was a lot of fun! There was a moment around 5am when I woke up, freezing cold, and thought we were in trouble. I forgot that the hour just before sunrise is the coldest part of the day.

Cooking with Neil's gas stove was fun as well.

My cell phone shows a call from you know who at 5:27 AM. I shut off the phone. A few minutes later there was a rapping at my tent flap. I thought it was a raccoon, but then a flashlight shown in. A strangely familiar, with the emphasis on strange, voice spoke to me in a panic. I don't remember what the voice said, but I yelled "get back in your tent!" and it went away.

The Historian
05-01-08, 09:15 PM
Next time, I leave the voice recorder on for the whole ride. Huh huh huh huh huh. I said "ride".

The voice recorder drives me to distraction.

neilfein
05-02-08, 07:15 AM
The voice recorder drives me to distraction.

Sorry... could you speak into the mic?

The Historian
05-02-08, 07:39 AM
Sorry... could you speak into the mic?

Did you have it on Sunday morning when you work me up? :D

East Hill
05-02-08, 12:57 PM
Yes, we did. We learned that no one on the Clyde forum has any interest in Neils on Wheels adventures. :D

I was too afraid to open this at first--I thought that the derangement might have been permanent, heaven forbid!

As always, a wonderful story was told, and I am happy to see that the two Neils remain riding partners.

East Hill

neilfein
05-02-08, 01:14 PM
I was too afraid to open this at first--I thought that the derangement might have been permanent, heaven forbid!

As always, a wonderful story was told, and I am happy to see that the two Neils remain riding partners.

East Hill

Hey, we have a groupie!

East Hill
05-02-08, 01:17 PM
Hey, we have a groupie!

Absolutely ;) .

East Hill

The Historian
05-02-08, 10:04 PM
My cell phone shows a call from you know who at 5:27 AM. I shut off the phone. A few minutes later there was a rapping at my tent flap. I thought it was a raccoon, but then a flashlight shown in. A strangely familiar, with the emphasis on strange, voice spoke to me in a panic. I don't remember what the voice said, but I yelled "get back in your tent!" and it went away.

A photo that Neil F. has chosen to release to the Bike Forums public - it appeared on Foo. Green Lane Park campground, just before sunrise and just after I yelled at the photographer.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2039/2459695049_e6f93f59fa_b.jpg

The Historian
05-03-08, 05:28 AM
Speaking of arguments, Neil F. doesn't let me post his Flickr photos until his Crazy Guy On A Bike journal is complete.....I do wish he'd finish, if only so you guys could see me with a beard. I've channeled my inner Stormcrowe. :D


I received special permission from Mr. Fein to post this photo. This is now a historical document, since the beard was shaved off yesterday and I'm close-cropped again.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2060/2460535528_dac00d5e6f_b.jpg

The Historian
05-03-08, 05:37 AM
How does that hard-packed gravel trail stand up to a clyde, especially on road tires. Doesn't the tire dig in? I'm wondering because I have an opportunity to ride some gravel trails this summer, but I am leary of doing so.

Nice pictures-you still have SNOW?!?!

Here's a photo from the trip, instead of from the Internet. I obtained special permission from the photo owner to post it here. (The stuff I do for you guys....)

This is in Central Perkiomen Valley Park in Schwenksville, about the half-way mark on the trail. This was taken the first day of the tour, and you can see Roark has panniers and is hauling the trailer. I've named the trailer the Wussy Wagon after a suggestion of a Clydesdale poster.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2079/2460530482_35cef3fd81_b.jpg

The Historian
05-03-08, 06:04 AM
Absolutely ;) .

East Hill

Taken Sunday morning, just before we broke camp. Camp breaking is something we need to work on - it took three hours to break camp, largely because someone chose to needlessly argue about straps to bind up the tents.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3208/2460533382_3f6c3356ed_b.jpg

B Piddy
05-03-08, 09:19 AM
Where's the smiling faces?

The Historian
05-03-08, 09:25 AM
Where's the smiling faces?

I'm usually pretty dour, as most folks know. Neil F. can answer for himself.

neilfein
05-03-08, 11:48 AM
I'm usually pretty dour, as most folks know. Neil F. can answer for himself.

I had maybe an hour or two of sleep all night.

The Historian
05-03-08, 11:53 AM
I had maybe an hour or two of sleep all night.

I warned you camping would blow your mind. :)

Despite your lack of sleep, you did well, and I'm proud of you for attempting it, buddy.

East Hill
05-03-08, 04:06 PM
Where's the smiling faces?

I think that the two Neils are regarding the camp breaking as a challenge, and have put on their 'tough guy' faces for the viewers here at home.

East Hill

sumguy
05-04-08, 07:49 AM
you guys are lucky to have such a nice area to ride nearby.

jagraham
05-04-08, 04:30 PM
Hey guys -- don't forget to pack earplugs for your Passage/C&O trip. Train noise doesn't bother me much anymore, but the frog/cicada chirping really got to me one night. I was glad to have something to block out the noise (used my MP3 player).

neilfein
05-04-08, 09:00 PM
Journal all done, with photos. there are more on my Flickr page.

http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/greenlane
(http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/greenlane)

Tom Stormcrowe
05-04-08, 09:06 PM
Don't forget Off, either.

It's getting to that time of year when the bloodsucking mosquitoes sharpen up their proboscis'. ;)

Be glad you aren't touring somewhere where there are the dreaded black flies. :p

The Historian
05-04-08, 09:14 PM
Don't forget Off, either.

It's getting to that time of year when the bloodsucking mosquitoes sharpen up their proboscis'. ;)

Be glad you aren't touring somewhere where there are the dreaded black flies. :p

Channeling my inner Stormcrowe:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3061/2459692079_46f0cb6fb4_b.jpg

The Historian
05-04-08, 09:17 PM
you guys are lucky to have such a nice area to ride nearby.

A true conservationist is a man who knows that the world is not given by his fathers, but borrowed from his children.
-John James Audubon.

Mill Grove, first home in America of John James Audubon:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3236/2460526202_bc8c60eb34_b.jpg

Tom Stormcrowe
05-04-08, 09:18 PM
Actually, the beard made you look distinguished. ;) Kind of like a Teutonic Philosopher. ;)



Channeling my inner Stormcrowe:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3061/2459692079_46f0cb6fb4_b.jpg

The Historian
05-04-08, 09:21 PM
Actually, the beard made you look distinguished. ;) Kind of like a Teutonic Philosopher. ;)

Like this, Tom?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3062/2459706033_c5ca405dbc_b.jpg

Tom Stormcrowe
05-04-08, 09:24 PM
Mr Nietzsche, is that you?

Like this, Tom?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3062/2459706033_c5ca405dbc_b.jpg

The Historian
05-04-08, 09:27 PM
Mr Nietzsche, is that you?

Thus 'spoked' Zarathustra?

Sorry, it's not Mr. N. I have bigger quads than he did. :D

Tom Stormcrowe
05-04-08, 09:35 PM
Man, it's nice having someone that not only gets my deeper and darker humor, but matches it as well. :p

The Historian
05-04-08, 09:39 PM
Man, it's nice having someone that not only gets my deeper and darker humor, but matches it as well. :p

I've driven a truck too! :D

Tom Stormcrowe
05-04-08, 09:42 PM
Dear Lord, are you a brother from another set of parents? :eek:

The Historian
05-04-08, 09:47 PM
Dear Lord, are you a brother from another set of parents? :eek:

Relax, it was a U-Haul, and I've only driven it twice. :D