Mountain Biking - Fly Ti MTB is in the Pcad Garage my little MTB Weenies

Indeed it is. And after a couple of hours in the Pcad bike bunker to dedorkify the rig (reflectors, spoke protectors, etc.), change out the silly tires for real MTB tires (what do you expect from a bike weenie from FL like Mikey?), swap out the stem for a longer one, add my seat (although the seat the Fly came with is actually light and seems comfy), throw the bottle cages on, add the bar ends for Pcad comfort and hammerability, and voila:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/patentcad/FlyTiRearFinal.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/patentcad/FlyTiFront.jpg

The bike barely fits me with the longer stem and the seat 1" past the min insertion mark; Pcad lives dangerously. But it does indeed fit. I thought it would be tight, similar to my old MTB geometry, just shorter seat tube. Initial ride impressions up and down the upper slopes of Mt. Doom here in the rain: just what I had hoped for. 3 lbs. lighter than my Jamis 853 steel hard tail, but more importantly, NOTHING feels like Ti. I bombed around a bit, the bike tracks like a laser beam, climbs like a rocket, rides super smooth. It's hard to F up Titanium, and this frame is VERY impressive indeed. This bike was a friggin steal @ $1900, and @ $2500 it would still be a steal weenies.

I'll have to get it into the woods. If I don't kill myself, I will post further impressions here. But so far the bike does appear to be all that. Thanks Mikey.

P.S. Shifts fine, all parts seem properly installed by BD, I need to get it to my LBS to adjust the disc brakes, set up the Rock Shox fork and get those stem spacers right, I screwed that up. I may be less ******** than the typical BD customer, but not by much. Doing the minimal assembly and parts swapping this bike required pushed the pathetic Pcad Mechanic Envelope.

Longer seatpost FTW.
It looks like you got an older SID/noodle.

Longer seatpost FTW.
It looks like you got an older SID/noodle.

Yeah, the fork feels noodley, but I'm sure my LBS (they are the MTB wizards) can get it stiffer. The seat post is close enough for rock n' roll. They make longer posts??

If all I gotta do is get a stouter fork up the road at some point, the bike is still a steal.

so you bought a $1900 bike that's too small .. way to go man!

that bike deserves some carbon barends.

so you bought a $1900 bike that's too small .. way to go man!

Nope, it fits. Insertion marks on seat post are for Wussy. Friggin MTB WEENIES. HTFU already.

Actually the bike feels just like my old hard tail the way it's set up. Similar geometry and top tube length, just a shorter seat tube, hence the seat post issue. But otherwise identical. Felt fine riding it tonight.

Yeah, the fork feels noodley, but I'm sure my LBS (they are the MTB wizards) can get it stiffer. The seat post is close enough for rock n' roll. They make longer posts??

If all I gotta do is get a stouter fork up the road at some point, the bike is still a steal.



Mike from BD says the MTB Action article is inaccurate, the SID Fork on the Fly Ti is the 2008 model after all, so that should be pretty good from what everyone is saying here.

Nice to know there's still honesty in the business.

I couldn't tell you if that fork is from 2008 or 2006. The fact that it came with any brand new functional suspension fork at that ridiculous price can only be considered a Miracle of Modern Retail. And my LBS told me that if it's the crappiest Rock Shox of the last few years, it's still a big advance over my 10 year old Manitou Carbon on my old bicycle. I'm a Road Nazi moron. I know nothing about this crap.

But I will be heading to a mellow XC race course and actually competing in an MTB race near me later this year in my ongoing efforts to get myself killed.

So now I own a BD Ti Fly and a Six13. What am I evolving into?

So now I own a BD Ti Fly and a Six13. What am I evolving into?

Now you're stalking me.

Is that white oak?

I feel sorry for the person that has to use those brake levers in the position they are in. Your looking at a possible fracture trying to use them..

Yes, you really do need a longer post. That is a cracked seat tube waiting to happen. Long post + minimal insertion + light frame = putting much leverage on seattubes can tend to do that.

Yes, your bars and levers need to be rotated forward. The ergonomics of that setup make me cringe.

Yes, that is not an 08 SID (which sounds to be vastly superior to prior models) but is in fact an older noodly model. No, your shop isn't going to be able to make the fork un-noodly. Stiffer suspension action yes, un-noodly no. Maybe something you won't miss if you haven't ridden stiffer forks. The difference is quite noticeable. Nice that their ad copy doesn't mention which year SID that is. Pure Delight damper is I think pre-07 though.

So. $1900. Without the supposed 08 much improved fork it was supposed to have. And you'll eventually have to shell out for a new seatpost, or eventually maybe have a cracked frame. And you're going to pay your shop some dough to get it right for you. What a bargain!

Otherwise, it looks like a fine ride, but for all that - it's not the bargain that BD might have us believe.

Is that white oak?

:roflmao:

What scrub said.. plus thats like a $100 wheelset on that bike.. not a real bargain imo.

Nice rug though.

19 miles this AM, about 9 of them in the slippery woods (it's been raining). The bike is OUTSTANDING. Light, mushy where you want it (the rear end, SUPER comfy) rigid where it's key (BB, front end steering). Singletracks like a laser, handles GREAT, climbs like a rocket, just so much better than my old MTB, forget about it. The ride is tight enough for handling/climbing but very forgiving compared to my old steel MTB, just what I had hoped for from Ti. With all my stuff (cages, heavier tires pedals, computer etc) the bike is about 21 lbs, but my old bike was about 24lbs. THREE POUNDS lighter, with disc brakes (which are awesome), much better ride and feel.

MTB Action review was correct about a couple of things: the stock tires are stupid for most MTBers, and the stock cluster (12-27 road cluster) has to go, I need a 12-32 or something for several reasons, mainly so I can stay in the middle ring most of the time, but also to get up the 10-15%+ inclines that are common in the woods here. Tires are already changed to Conti Explorer 2.1's (550 grams, great tires) and cluster will be next. I have to get the shock set up to be a little less mushy too, but for my needs it's OK.

These are my impressions after 1+ hour in the woods on everything from fast fire road to fairly technical single track in wet conditions. Man that Goosepond Park here is like the Pcad MTB Experience Theme Park. Endless, varied, empty. I should sell tickets, but jeez, the place is FREE and nobody goes there. You gotta love that it's 5 miles from my house. So overall the bike was just wonderful, fits me perfectly, on the road the thing floats like a friggin cloud. Perfect MTB for my needs. Very satisfied.

You MTB guys may indeed be correct but you still just don't get it. I'm not a hard core MTB dude. I mainly use my MTB as a road bike with snow tires. If this bike gets into the woods 30x annually it will be a lot. New fork, a new post, a new cluster? I'll eBay the old stuff to offset those expenditures, lay out $600 out of pocket (if that) and still be @<$2500. The closest thing I could find out there to this bike was $4500++. The wheels may be cheesy in some respects but they are light, they roll, and they're for a stupid MOUNTAIN BIKE (you know, one you ride down friggin fire roads and through streams so you can destroy it). New wheels to replace them will be $400. A couple of years up the road.

I save my big budget blowouts for new road bikes. You know, something I actually give a **** about. So for me, this was just the ticket. Really enjoyed it this AM. This is replacing a 10 year old MTB. And if I had needed to spend $4500 for a new Ti hard tail, I'd still have the old bike. So this does work for me. You insufferable friggin tree hugging suicidal fire road bombing life risking hairy legged MTB WEENIES.

Now you're stalking me.

Maybe, but I've got 2 sweet bikes out of it, so.....

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I'm shorter than PCad. My seatpost is just fine. I'm leaving the seat. The fork might be noodley, but I'm going to have a hard time feeling is since I'm coming from a 10 year old Schwinn S-20. I talked to a good mountain bike XC racer who runs a SID on his bike. He agreed with the noodley feeling that people talk about, but said, "Deal with it and you'll be faster". Slowing down 2mph over a couple particularly gnarly sections isn't much of a sacrifice. I don't do massive drops or jumps. I'm impressed as hell at the people who do, but have no need/want to be one of them. I crash often enough as it is.

I do my own mechanical work on everything, except if a wheel is _really_ tweaked. My plans for the bike is a new pair of tires and a cassette which I already own. I'll probably throw some grips on it as well. I think there's enough room for a pair of 2.3" tires which makes a hardtail pretty cushy and is good for hooking up in the sandy stuff I ride in. I'll give you a report back after the first ride, but I'm having a hard time not seeing the deal in this bike.

Is that white oak?Yes, let's hear it. Red or white, we at least know it's quarter-sawn. But I'm guessing that's veneer anyway.

My LBS is ordering me a 50mm longer post. Same post Ritchey. It will cost like $80, they'll eBay the old one for about $40. We'll do a similar deal with the cluster. I may have add a chain, So this may add $200 to the cost of the bike with the tire swap (I'll ebay the Kendas too, used my old Contis that have plenty of wear left in them).

Still very happy with the bike. And my LBS (the MTB Masters of the Universe) assure me that with the right length seat post there IS no further hand wringing here. I'm only 1" above the min insertion, it's a 350mm seat post, I'm getting a 400mm version which will more than compensate.

I have the fly 9357 and love it (and it is my second Bikesdirect bike, I am a roadie by nature). I have the same fork as you and I noticed it was noodly at first . . . but now it just feels normal. It is plenty good enough a fork for a) as much as I ride MTB B) the terrain here in Indiana and c) my courage level (not high)

I love my bike and I think it was a smoking deal. I do not need to change anything out for fit. the only thing I am going to change are the tires. Mine came with Kenda Climax lites or something - very light but thin and not so great as far as traction.

Otherwise, it looks like a fine ride, but for all that - it's not the bargain that BD might have us believe.

For all that I still think it is- Scrub, just price Ti MTB hard tails out there, compare the component mix and you'll see what I'm talking about. My price on this rig was $1900 including shipping. You gotta spend like $4-5K to find a similar bike from anybody else.

When you say 'rotate forward' I presume you mean the brake levers should be more vertical (further under the bars) instead of in front of them? I installed those handlebars, I know NOTHING about MTB ergonomics. Thanks for your input. Bear in mind that if I piss you off, it's all in BF Ball Busting Fun.

Most importantly I really rode the bike in the woods and on the road today and just LOVED it.

It's a sweet ride, I think your going the right direction with the more capable tires and 12-34 cluster.
You should be verry happy with it.
PS. If you call me "weenie" one more time I'll crush you with my manly E-arms!:D

[QUOTE=patentcad;6624944]Thanks for your input. Bear in mind that if I piss you off, it's all in BF Ball Busting Fun.[QUOTE]

Good ol' BFBBF. I really wish i had a Ti Bike. Looks like a sweet ride. But I'd still put some carbon barends on it. After all, it is a titanium bike. Alloy barends on that bike are like hubcaps on a wrx. Glad you like it!

Yes, let's hear it. Red or white, we at least know it's quarter-sawn. But I'm guessing that's veneer anyway.

Clearly veneer. You can see it delaminating. Not quarter sawn. Those ripples are not the kind of fleck or rays made from quarter sawing.

PCad, about the seat post: How tall are you and what is the frame size?

I'm 6 foot plus a fraction and got a 20" frame and at 200 lbs. expect to jetison carbon post but don't want to jack it up like that!

Thanks very much for the ride and bike description. Interesting about the fork, but since I have never ridden a mountain bike, there will be no difference for me. Ignorance and inexperience are innocent bliss.

Oh, got another angle on the wood: might be quartersawn

Good ol' BFBBF. I really wish i had a Ti Bike. Looks like a sweet ride. But I'd still put some carbon barends on it. After all, it is a titanium bike. Alloy barends on that bike are like hubcaps on a wrx. Glad you like it!

I wouldn't be caught dead in a Ti
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bikeforums is such a wonderful diversion and distraction from my research papers. i don't know what i would do without you guys. Thanks!

Otherwise, it looks like a fine ride, but for all that - it's not the bargain that BD might have us believe.

It is a bargain any way you slice it. Now, if it completely does not fit (and I am not saying that is the case here) and one wants to swap out every part (not saying that is the case here) then it may not be a great purchase choice. But it is still a great deal. You just cannot touch anything near this for that price.

I would not have spent $1900 on this bike no matter what, but to each their own. It is a great deal, but just not for me. For $1600 you get the same build out with a great alum frame. For $1300 you get a close build with the same alum frame - that is what I got, the Fly 9357. An additional 300 for .5 lbs is not worth it to me and an additional $600 for 1.5lbs and Ti is not worth it to me . . . but it is to others. I guess I really do not see the advantage of ti on a MTB bike. On a roadie, maybe. Ti is a bit more compliant than alum and thus has a less harsh ride. On a MTB that is mitigated by 2.2 inch tires at 40 psi and a front suspension fork.

But as someone else said - go try to find a Ti hardtail with XTR, a compariable crank, and about anything else on it for under $2k. Not going to happen.

I will admit that Ti is f'ng beautiful though.

Also, and I am not sure if this is the case here . . .

Many roadies (me) who get their first MTB set it up very much like their roadie. They get the seat high and the bars low and want to stretch out as much as they can.
I learned this is not so great on a MTB.

I have dialed in my fly quite a bit and I bet I have my saddle 1.5-2" lower than I started with. I have my bars about 1.5" higher than I started with.

I've been riding a hard tail with this position for many years, and the Fly Ti felt pretty dialed in. Close enough to the bars in the technical single track, enough room to spread out on the bar ends on the road, just loved the whole feel. Really fit nicely. Just have to get that 50mm longer seat post which will be on the bike within a week. In the meantime I promise not to ride it over any 5' drop offs : ).

The alternative is buy the next bigger frame size which would probably be a bit too large. All I did to get the 18" frame to fit is buy a longer post and go from the 110 stem to a 120 with bar ends, and the bike does fit.

SID Team or Race, I believe, is the fork you have. Good fork.

here's what an '07 Team looks like, if that helps any.

http://www.glasswolf.net/misc/trek2.jpg

I will admit that Ti is f'ng beautiful though.

Let's be honest. That's why I bought mine. I looked a long time at the bike you bought. It's got all the bells and whistles. It'll do anything you ask it to do. The Ti is just so freakin' sexy that I couldn't resist.

For all that I still think it is- Scrub, just price Ti MTB hard tails out there, compare the component mix and you'll see what I'm talking about. My price on this rig was $1900 including shipping. You gotta spend like $4-5K to find a similar bike from anybody else.

When you say 'rotate forward' I presume you mean the brake levers should be more vertical (further under the bars) instead of in front of them? I installed those handlebars, I know NOTHING about MTB ergonomics. Thanks for your input. Bear in mind that if I piss you off, it's all in BF Ball Busting Fun.

Most importantly I really rode the bike in the woods and on the road today and just LOVED it.

I have a ti bike. I know they don't run cheap. Granted, mine is built a bit on the other end of the spectrum from yours. I'm not saying it's not a deal, just that it isn't quite the steal that BD bills it as. Purely my opinion.

Re: the bars. Your whole bar/lever assembly needs to be rotated forward/down a bit, at least it looks so from the pics. It'll get your grip area and levers in a much better position. Again though, if it's comfy for you that way, then whatever.

Piss me off? why would I get pissed off? It's your bike man, ride it how you like it.

Very cool. I was wondering when they'd be off the boat. If I didn't take advantage of the Kestrel sale, I would be showing mine off right now too.

I'd love to hear your story about mountain bike racing! That'll be interesting. I'm trying to get ElJamoquio out to a race. I know he's interested. We're just trying to figure out a "good one".

>>Piss me off? why would I get pissed off?<<

You can't be a Roadie or you'd never ask such a silly question.

Hey, thanks for the input on the handlebar position, I'll experiment. Feels OK now, maybe the suggestions here will make it better.

What kind of ti MTB are you riding Scrub?

>>Piss me off? why would I get pissed off?<<

You can't be a Roadie or you'd never ask such a silly question.

Hey, thanks for the input on the handlebar position, I'll experiment. Feels OK now, maybe the suggestions here will make it better.

What kind of ti MTB are you riding Scrub?

You're right, I'm not a roadie. :rolleyes: IStarted as one long ago, before discovering the dirt though. Still put in a decent amount of road miles. Don't be so quick to label folks as to what kind of rider they are or aren't... Way to stereotype people. :D

Custom burly frame built around a big fork. Slightly larger diameter down/toptube, larger diameter stays than average ti frames. Chainstays and downtube with 0.3mm thicker walls. Insert in the seat tube to reinforce internally, and size the large diamater tube down to 27.2mm. Rear drake side stay bracing. Faaaaaaty tire room. Lap and ring gusseted headtube area. And a chain hanger just because I could. Slider drops to play with stay length, and possible future Rohloff hub use. Burly, light (for what the kind of bike it is,) low slung, slack. Me likey. Not a race bike. Purely meant to destroy technical trails.
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Yes, you really do need a longer post. That is a cracked seat tube waiting to happen. Long post + minimal insertion + light frame = putting much leverage on seattubes can tend to do that.

Yes, your bars and levers need to be rotated forward. The ergonomics of that setup make me cringe.

Yes, that is not an 08 SID (which sounds to be vastly superior to prior models) but is in fact an older noodly model. No, your shop isn't going to be able to make the fork un-noodly. Stiffer suspension action yes, un-noodly no. Maybe something you won't miss if you haven't ridden stiffer forks. The difference is quite noticeable. Nice that their ad copy doesn't mention which year SID that is. Pure Delight damper is I think pre-07 though.

So. $1900. Without the supposed 08 much improved fork it was supposed to have. And you'll eventually have to shell out for a new seatpost, or eventually maybe have a cracked frame. And you're going to pay your shop some dough to get it right for you. What a bargain!

Otherwise, it looks like a fine ride, but for all that - it's not the bargain that BD might have us believe.


You have confused the 2008 Sid with the new 2009; like many others have
the 2009 is not available yet; but has been widely enough reported on that some think its available

The fork on the bbike pictured was not even manufacturered until After Jan 1 of this year [2008]
Sid Race with our order of gloss black color instead of diffusion black

Of course, bikes we get shipped after July/August 2008 will have new 2009 Sid with 32mm

here is 2008 fork [model we use is the RACE]
http://www.sram.com/en/rockshox/crosscountry/sid/#

You have confused the 2008 Sid with the new 2009; like many others have
the 2009 is not available yet; but has been widely enough reported on that some think its available

The fork on the bbike pictured was not even manufacturered until After Jan 1 of this year [2008]
Sid Race with our order of gloss black color instead of diffusion black

Of course, bikes we get shipped after July/August 2008 will have new 2009 Sid with 32mm

Doh! In that case, my apologies on that point. Good catch.

It is a bargain any way you slice it. Now, if it completely does not fit (and I am not saying that is the case here) and one wants to swap out every part (not saying that is the case here) then it may not be a great purchase choice. But it is still a great deal. You just cannot touch anything near this for that price.

I would not have spent $1900 on this bike no matter what, but to each their own. It is a great deal, but just not for me. For $1600 you get the same build out with a great alum frame. For $1300 you get a close build with the same alum frame - that is what I got, the Fly 9357. An additional 300 for .5 lbs is not worth it to me and an additional $600 for 1.5lbs and Ti is not worth it to me . . . but it is to others. I guess I really do not see the advantage of ti on a MTB bike. On a roadie, maybe. Ti is a bit more compliant than alum and thus has a less harsh ride. On a MTB that is mitigated by 2.2 inch tires at 40 psi and a front suspension fork.

But as someone else said - go try to find a Ti hardtail with XTR, a compariable crank, and about anything else on it for under $2k. Not going to happen.

I will admit that Ti is f'ng beautiful though.

Thanks Greg

And new Fly Pro just came in
and I was surprised that the one sent to office to photo was only 21.6 lbs
at $1195 - that is not bad either
I think the next closest hardtail at under 22 lbs is over $2500

I really like being able to get racers & weekend warriors on light stuff within their budget

You have confused the 2008 Sid with the new 2009; like many others have
the 2009 is not available yet; but has been widely enough reported on that some think its available

The fork on the bbike pictured was not even manufacturered until After Jan 1 of this year [2008]
Sid Race with our order of gloss black color instead of diffusion black

Of course, bikes we get shipped after July/August 2008 will have new 2009 Sid with 32mm

here is 2008 fork [model we use is the RACE]
http://www.sram.com/en/rockshox/crosscountry/sid/#


Then what the hell is this?:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/BHSnordic/IMG_5274.jpg


answer: 2009 SID. They are widely available and easy to source. That's my bike, though I do have a few connections that got me the fork quite a while ago, I just ordered one for my brother through normal means.
But, almost no 2008 bikes are coming with them, so it's not really a big deal. I'm not sure if they are available at OEM pricing yet, so we can give BD the benefit of the doubt. I don't think the fact that they are about 30% more expensive at shop cost had anything to do with it... ;)

/LBSworkeronlinehater nitpickery

What's wrong with Stereotypes? That's the American Way.

Nice photos scrubby. I'd say my characterization of you as a fuzzy legged suicidal MTB maniac was spot on based on those images. I presume you survived those maneuvers. Impressive.

Thanks Greg

And new Fly Pro just came in
and I was surprised that the one sent to office to photo was only 21.6 lbs
at $1195 - that is not bad either
I think the next closest hardtail at under 22 lbs is over $2500

I really like being able to get racers & weekend warriors on light stuff within their budget

Sounds like an even better deal. I will say that I love how much more open the MTB world is to bikesdirect than is the roadie world. Some are a bit skeptical here and that is fine - but most are at least accepting of it. There are many over on the raodie forums that still think all this stuff is fake, you will never get a bike after you pay, the frame will crack if you fart, etc.

I get looks at road ride (not always nice). At the MTB trails - either not the case or they will say 'nice ride'

You have confused the 2008 Sid with the new 2009; like many others have
the 2009 is not available yet; but has been widely enough reported on that some think its available

The fork on the bbike pictured was not even manufacturered until After Jan 1 of this year [2008]
Sid Race with our order of gloss black color instead of diffusion black

Of course, bikes we get shipped after July/August 2008 will have new 2009 Sid with 32mm

here is 2008 fork [model we use is the RACE]
http://www.sram.com/en/rockshox/crosscountry/sid/#

Thanks Mike, even if some of us aren't completely happy with the BD advertisement practices, we do definitely appreciate the input you give on these forums.

Not for nothing, but for all the BD Conspiracy Theorists here, if Mikey of BD was any more transparent he'd be a friggin window. What you see is generally what you get IMHO. I think selling bikes on the Internet is fraught with opportunities for consumers to be disappointed. You're shipping a big complicated product requiring assembly and adjustment. When it arrives the consumer is seeing it in person for the very first time. It may not fit perfectly (I'm very experienced and my new Fly Ti was borderline small, I got it to fit, but it's tough sometimes fitting yourself off a geometry chart).

So that's what Mike is up against with tight margins @ his low prices. You can try to be the most responsive company in the world, and you'll inevitably piss a few people off. But it seems to work for the overwhelming majority of Mike's customers who recognize that they're giving up on some convenience of buying @ the LBS for considerable value. Worked for me.

that bike looks really nice. don't let anyone else tell you otherwise. it is also probably perfect for what you plan on riding since you seem to be in awe of someone going over rocks (i wish i had rocks in southern jersey). Consider me jealous

also post here more often. it is annoying to go through all the road section posts to find your humorous comments, much less crap here.

I will be posting here more often since I will now be riding my new MTB in the woods on a semi regular basis. I look forward to verbal jousting with the fuzzy legged MTB boys.

Frankly, MTBers have 100x more balls than Roadies will ever have. I'm on my MTB today carving up some single track thinking 'you'd have to be utterly friggin insane to race these things'. And I think that's true. Half the guys I've known who were good amateur MTB racers were friggin insane.

Now.......................go get some studded Nokians and learn to ride on the ice, this coming winter.

It's more fun than it looks and there is nothing you can't ride across with the correct tires and pressure.

A real schwagaholic weenie does not have to get his road bikes dirty.

Now.......................go get some studded Nokians and learn to ride on the ice, this coming winter.

It's more fun than it looks and there is nothing you can't ride across with the correct tires and pressure.

A real schwagaholic weenie does not have to get his road bikes dirty.

Hey 2many, do you take that crazy dog of yours out on your MTB too?

Hey 2many, do you take that crazy dog of yours out on your MTB too?

I would if I could figure out a really good way. The trike is only one wheel drive so if there is any loss of traction or uneven ground the drive wheel just spins.

Open to suggestions. Serious or not. He's only 35 lbs, that's not a problem in itself but when he throws his weight to one side, it's difficult at slow speed on trails. He too small to run along side much.

edit: I guess I have to HTFU.

I would if I could figure out a really good way. The trike is only one wheel drive so if there is any loss of traction or uneven ground the drive wheel just spins.

Open to suggestions. Serious or not. He's only 35 lbs, that's not a problem in itself but when he throws his weight to one side, it's difficult at slow speed on trails. He too small to run along side much.

edit: I guess I have to HTFU.

He's too fat for this sport.

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Hey Scrub, can you climb that? or is it too slick?