stevo9er
Incorrect.
Why? Have you seen the amount of bikers out at night with no lights?
Why? Have you seen the amount of bikers out at night with no lights?
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Why? Have you seen the amount of bikers out at night with no lights?
How do you see them if they have no lights? :roflmao2:
And why are you posting in this thread without a dorky avatar???? :notamused:
How do you see them if they have no lights? :roflmao2:
And why are you posting in this thread without a dorky avatar???? :notamused:
10 Wheels
"Plenty of people survived commuting at night for years without the need of Dinotte. Not everyone is going out there to buy a Superflash either (most can't even fathom of spending $15CDN (Price of PBSF at MEC) on a taillight)."
Use it in The Day time on highway riding.
Use it in The Day time on highway riding.
lotek
Ok, I've cleaned up a bit in here.
Lets just all take a deep breath and stop the personal attacks.
lotek
Lets just all take a deep breath and stop the personal attacks.
lotek
bryroth
So to answer my original question, it sounds like the Planet Bike Super Flash is a decent alternative to the DiNotte, although it's not as bright.
10 Wheels
"A Dinotte taillight is stupid" I don't agree. Three people have lost there lives on the highways I ride on in the Past Two Weeks. I need all the safety help I can get for highway riding.
I now ride 300 miles per week.
Mrbubbles should offer to make me a Bright Head Light Tail light System.
I now ride 300 miles per week.
Mrbubbles should offer to make me a Bright Head Light Tail light System.
Nachoman
Why? Have you seen the amount of bikers out at night with no lights?
I was simply responding to the stated proposition that most people "can't even fathom spending $15 on a taillight". I disagree with that statement and thus do not feel that it was "correct".
I was simply responding to the stated proposition that most people "can't even fathom spending $15 on a taillight". I disagree with that statement and thus do not feel that it was "correct".
Ziemas
"A Dinotte taillight is stupid" I don't agree. Three people have lost there lives on the highways I ride on in the Past Two Weeks. I need all the safety help I can get for highway riding.
I now ride 300 miles per week.
Mrbubbles should offer to make me a Bright Head Light Tail light System.
Were they using taillights?
I now ride 300 miles per week.
Mrbubbles should offer to make me a Bright Head Light Tail light System.
Were they using taillights?
10 Wheels
"Were they using taillights? " Two were broadsided by a pick up truck at red light. Third t-boned a car that pulled out right in front of her.
Ziemas
"Were they using taillights? " Two were broadsided by a pick up truck at red light. Third t-boned a car that pulled out right in front of her.
Doesn't sound like a super bright tail light would have made a difference.
Doesn't sound like a super bright tail light would have made a difference.
mrbubbles
I was simply responding to the stated proposition that most people "can't even fathom spending $15 on a taillight". I disagree with that statement and thus do not feel that it was "correct".
Those who are not willing to spend $15 on a taillight are the same people not willing to spend more than $200 on a bike (and they'll think one bike is enough), and there are a lot of people with that mindset out there. Not everyone is a cycling enthusiast.
Those who are not willing to spend $15 on a taillight are the same people not willing to spend more than $200 on a bike (and they'll think one bike is enough), and there are a lot of people with that mindset out there. Not everyone is a cycling enthusiast.
mrbubbles
"A Dinotte taillight is stupid" I don't agree.
It's my opinion, I don't care if you disagree.
Three people have lost there lives on the highways I ride on in the Past Two Weeks. I need all the safety help I can get for highway riding.
I now ride 300 miles per week.
I assume all of those miles are at night.
Mrbubbles should offer to make me a Bright Head Light Tail light System.
I build lights for fun, mind you, I have more lights than I really need. As for the offer, I'd rather you go spend the money on a commercial light instead.
It's my opinion, I don't care if you disagree.
Three people have lost there lives on the highways I ride on in the Past Two Weeks. I need all the safety help I can get for highway riding.
I now ride 300 miles per week.
I assume all of those miles are at night.
Mrbubbles should offer to make me a Bright Head Light Tail light System.
I build lights for fun, mind you, I have more lights than I really need. As for the offer, I'd rather you go spend the money on a commercial light instead.
mrbubbles
"Were they using taillights? " Two were broadsided by a pick up truck at red light. Third t-boned a car that pulled out right in front of her.
How exactly is a super bright taillight going to help them? In this case, a headlight on the helmet aiming at the driver would be far more useful. A Fenix would be a much better investment than a Dinotte.
How exactly is a super bright taillight going to help them? In this case, a headlight on the helmet aiming at the driver would be far more useful. A Fenix would be a much better investment than a Dinotte.
Nachoman
Those who are not willing to spend $15 on a taillight are the same people not willing to spend more than $200 on a bike (and they'll think one bike is enough), and there are a lot of people with that mindset out there. Not everyone is a cycling enthusiast.
You're probably right. I was really thinking in terms of cycling enthusiasts, like you and me. If we start including the general population, including even those who don't cycle, then I would have to change my "incorrect" to "correct".
You're probably right. I was really thinking in terms of cycling enthusiasts, like you and me. If we start including the general population, including even those who don't cycle, then I would have to change my "incorrect" to "correct".
Tacfarinas
Hi,
Basic question, which I sort of already asked on the Advocacy and Safety forum: do you guys recommend running the Dinotte taillight for daytime riding? I actually don't ride at night much, and don't let my son ride at night at all, but on those long windy daytime roads I can imagine that a strong slowly blinking red light might really increase the chance of being noticed. Is that the point, or is this mostly about riding at night?
Basic question, which I sort of already asked on the Advocacy and Safety forum: do you guys recommend running the Dinotte taillight for daytime riding? I actually don't ride at night much, and don't let my son ride at night at all, but on those long windy daytime roads I can imagine that a strong slowly blinking red light might really increase the chance of being noticed. Is that the point, or is this mostly about riding at night?
Ziemas
Hi,
Basic question, which I sort of already asked on the Advocacy and Safety forum: do you guys recommend running the Dinotte taillight for daytime riding? I actually don't ride at night much, and don't let my son ride at night at all, but on those long windy daytime roads I can imagine that a strong slowly blinking red light might really increase the chance of being noticed. Is that the point, or is this mostly about riding at night?
I use a Cateye TL-1100 during the day, especially during rush hour, and notice a difference in passing distance from cars when using it.
Basic question, which I sort of already asked on the Advocacy and Safety forum: do you guys recommend running the Dinotte taillight for daytime riding? I actually don't ride at night much, and don't let my son ride at night at all, but on those long windy daytime roads I can imagine that a strong slowly blinking red light might really increase the chance of being noticed. Is that the point, or is this mostly about riding at night?
I use a Cateye TL-1100 during the day, especially during rush hour, and notice a difference in passing distance from cars when using it.
Sammyboy
I've ordered the Dinotte. I really wanted the front light, and when it was on sale, I just thought I'd snap up both. That said, I've run for a long time with two blinkies (one on the seatpost, one on my helmet) that are nowhere near as bright as a Superflash, and that's been fine. I really only got the Dinotte taillight to see just how bright it really is!
There is no question in my mind, however, that bright lights in the wrong hands can be a bad thing. I've almost been sent into fastmoving traffic when approached by a guy with an obnoxiously bright helmet light on the cycle path. He looked right at me, and nearly blinded me - I certainly couldn't tell where the kerb was. The brighter a light is, the more care you have to take that it doesn't become a liability. Those who say "I don't care, as long as it keeps me safe" should consider what an oncoming car will do if it can see nothing but your lights. Think how difficult it is to steer safely in your car when an oncoming car doesn't dip its beams. I've yet to experience this issue with a taillight, but with headlights, it's absolutely a risk.
There is no question in my mind, however, that bright lights in the wrong hands can be a bad thing. I've almost been sent into fastmoving traffic when approached by a guy with an obnoxiously bright helmet light on the cycle path. He looked right at me, and nearly blinded me - I certainly couldn't tell where the kerb was. The brighter a light is, the more care you have to take that it doesn't become a liability. Those who say "I don't care, as long as it keeps me safe" should consider what an oncoming car will do if it can see nothing but your lights. Think how difficult it is to steer safely in your car when an oncoming car doesn't dip its beams. I've yet to experience this issue with a taillight, but with headlights, it's absolutely a risk.
rodrigaj
Hi,
Basic question, which I sort of already asked on the Advocacy and Safety forum: do you guys recommend running the Dinotte taillight for daytime riding? I actually don't ride at night much, and don't let my son ride at night at all, but on those long windy daytime roads I can imagine that a strong slowly blinking red light might really increase the chance of being noticed. Is that the point, or is this mostly about riding at night?
On WI rural roads I keep mine on in the strobe mode: Dim light on all the time, followed by five strobe flashes. I feel this helps drivers become aware of me earlier and I also feel that they give me lots of room when passing. This becomes especially critical at dusk.
I also have my front light (600L) in the same mode. This helps the cars that are passing cars coming toward you to see you before they start the pass.
Basic question, which I sort of already asked on the Advocacy and Safety forum: do you guys recommend running the Dinotte taillight for daytime riding? I actually don't ride at night much, and don't let my son ride at night at all, but on those long windy daytime roads I can imagine that a strong slowly blinking red light might really increase the chance of being noticed. Is that the point, or is this mostly about riding at night?
On WI rural roads I keep mine on in the strobe mode: Dim light on all the time, followed by five strobe flashes. I feel this helps drivers become aware of me earlier and I also feel that they give me lots of room when passing. This becomes especially critical at dusk.
I also have my front light (600L) in the same mode. This helps the cars that are passing cars coming toward you to see you before they start the pass.
TiberiusBTkirk
In my State it's the law for all motorcycles to have their headlights
and taillights on all the time. I still get motorists who tell me I have my
headlights on.
I'd figure I might as well apply this to my bicycle riding and add in some reflective tape.
and taillights on all the time. I still get motorists who tell me I have my
headlights on.
I'd figure I might as well apply this to my bicycle riding and add in some reflective tape.
ken cummings
If you want something in the brightness range of these other lights but at a fraction of the price look into the strobes at www.allelectronics.com . My equivalent strobe came from Radio Shack, cost $12.00, runs on from 6 to 15+ volts, and has lasted 20 years. I put mine on the top of the rear rack and hook it into the 12 volt headlight supply. A couple of zip ties and a 9 volt battery could put one on my helmet. Like the other lights it hurts to look closely at it and it flashes in a 360 degree circle.
Sir Bikesalot
How do you figure? The EQUIVALENT of what he is saying is that there are helmets out there that are not as expensive as other helmets that do the job just fine. It's not a silly argument at all. We all put value judgements on EVERYTHING we choose in life. There are risks.....and there are calculated risks. Learn the distinction. If money was no object then we'd ALL have anything out there that is the ABSOLUTE best for our health/life. Some of us don't make enough money to justify spending that kind of cash on a light. And for every point you make for its brightness, it is still no GUARANTEE that you will not die or be injured riding a bike. I think riding smart and defensively (proactively) will take you a lot further than relying....perhaps in a FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY.....on an extremely bright light to save your life.
Well...a better analogy would be to compare a cheap helmet that provides good protection vs a really expensive helmet that povides outstanding protection. How much is that extra protection worth to you? Some would prefer not to engage in cost-benefit analysis with their lives, but to each his/her own.
Well...a better analogy would be to compare a cheap helmet that provides good protection vs a really expensive helmet that povides outstanding protection. How much is that extra protection worth to you? Some would prefer not to engage in cost-benefit analysis with their lives, but to each his/her own.
ccd rider
Well...a better analogy would be to compare a cheap helmet that provides good protection vs a really expensive helmet that povides outstanding protection. How much is that extra protection worth to you? Some would prefer not to engage in cost-benefit analysis with their lives, but to each his/her own.
I don't think that's a better analogy since many of the cheaper helmets are actually better at protecting. Check the research on that. Often the more expensive helmets are designed for comfort and lightness.....at the expense of some degree of protection. Not saying they won't work well.....that's the whole point. Money is not always a determining factor in safety, spending more or less on a product.
My overriding point is I think there is a saturation point for different people. Otherwise where would you stop? Something could always come along that costs more that may add safety at those margins defined for that part of being safe (visibility only being one of those). I also think cost is a factor when you don't have a lot of money to begin with. One of my main motivating factors for riding (among many) is to save money. I'm not going to spend that kind of money for a light when a cheaper light does the job just as well. It's not quantifiable. You have no empirical data to back up your premise of a more expensive light keeping you safer because there are far too many variables in the course of a bike ride (like your personal riding behavior and defensive skills, traffic congestion, speeds of both vehicles.....and just plain random chance!). My guess is that no lighting vs. a Dinotte could very easily be a factor in your safety, but I'm also guessing the gap would be much shorter (or perhaps equal) using a very good light like a Superflash (who knows, that pattern of flash might be more attention getting than your blinder of a Dinotte....right?).
Even if it was quantifiable, I would still do a cost-benefit analysis based on not only that data, but on my own personal experiences. Or even the anecdotal accounts from others who make good points, not necessarily what is clinically researched.
I don't think that's a better analogy since many of the cheaper helmets are actually better at protecting. Check the research on that. Often the more expensive helmets are designed for comfort and lightness.....at the expense of some degree of protection. Not saying they won't work well.....that's the whole point. Money is not always a determining factor in safety, spending more or less on a product.
My overriding point is I think there is a saturation point for different people. Otherwise where would you stop? Something could always come along that costs more that may add safety at those margins defined for that part of being safe (visibility only being one of those). I also think cost is a factor when you don't have a lot of money to begin with. One of my main motivating factors for riding (among many) is to save money. I'm not going to spend that kind of money for a light when a cheaper light does the job just as well. It's not quantifiable. You have no empirical data to back up your premise of a more expensive light keeping you safer because there are far too many variables in the course of a bike ride (like your personal riding behavior and defensive skills, traffic congestion, speeds of both vehicles.....and just plain random chance!). My guess is that no lighting vs. a Dinotte could very easily be a factor in your safety, but I'm also guessing the gap would be much shorter (or perhaps equal) using a very good light like a Superflash (who knows, that pattern of flash might be more attention getting than your blinder of a Dinotte....right?).
Even if it was quantifiable, I would still do a cost-benefit analysis based on not only that data, but on my own personal experiences. Or even the anecdotal accounts from others who make good points, not necessarily what is clinically researched.
Ngchen
I don't know if the Dinotte is overkill, but if you care a lot about side visibility, consider the Planet Bike Blinky 7. Not as bright as the Superflash, Cateye TL-LD1100, or Dinotte, but it offers excellent side visibility (TL-LD1100 does too).
Honestly, taillights have become dramatically brighter over the years. It's far more important to have at least one that works than to worry about which one to get.
Honestly, taillights have become dramatically brighter over the years. It's far more important to have at least one that works than to worry about which one to get.
Sir Bikesalot
I don't think that's a better analogy since many of the cheaper helmets are actually better at protecting. Check the research on that. Often the more expensive helmets are designed for comfort and lightness.....at the expense of some degree of protection.
In the example you mentioned, the extra money is going to things other than protection--comfort, lighter weight, etc. Again, it's not the best analogy because the extra cost of the Dinotte is clearly NOT going to things other than safety. Is the Dinotte smaller? Is it more lightweight? Does it have better runtime? No, because all of the extra cost went solely into increasing the output of the light, which is universally accepted to correlate with safety on the road, and I think is something even you could agree with (otherwise why buy a SF when there are $5 blinkies out there that do pretty well but not as bright?).
My overriding point is I think there is a saturation point for different people. Otherwise where would you stop?
I think most people who have used the Dinotte agree that it's bright enough to compete with car taillights and thus will not go further in terms of output. So to answer the question, for the current crop of lights, this is most likely where it stops.
In the example you mentioned, the extra money is going to things other than protection--comfort, lighter weight, etc. Again, it's not the best analogy because the extra cost of the Dinotte is clearly NOT going to things other than safety. Is the Dinotte smaller? Is it more lightweight? Does it have better runtime? No, because all of the extra cost went solely into increasing the output of the light, which is universally accepted to correlate with safety on the road, and I think is something even you could agree with (otherwise why buy a SF when there are $5 blinkies out there that do pretty well but not as bright?).
My overriding point is I think there is a saturation point for different people. Otherwise where would you stop?
I think most people who have used the Dinotte agree that it's bright enough to compete with car taillights and thus will not go further in terms of output. So to answer the question, for the current crop of lights, this is most likely where it stops.
ccd rider
In the example you mentioned, the extra money is going to things other than protection--comfort, lighter weight, etc. Again, it's not the best analogy because the extra cost of the Dinotte is clearly NOT going to things other than safety. Is the Dinotte smaller? Is it more lightweight? Does it have better runtime? No, because all of the extra cost went solely into increasing the output of the light, which is universally accepted to correlate with safety on the road, and I think is something even you could agree with (otherwise why buy a SF when there are $5 blinkies out there that do pretty well but not as bright?).
You buy the Superflash or equivalent because it is a nice balance of effectiveness and value. A Superflash is about 4 times the cost of a 5 dollar blinkie......a Dinotte is several times more than that. The argument is that the Superflash does the job well for me for that price.....there's ostensibly no reason to buy a Dinotte.
I think most people who have used the Dinotte agree that it's bright enough to compete with car taillights and thus will not go further in terms of output. So to answer the question, for the current crop of lights, this is most likely where it stops.
So you admit there is a stopping point? Good (though "most likely" sounds like a qualifier to me). So we just have a fundamental difference of opinion in where that point is. I say economics is an excellent barrier for RELATIVE degrees of safety. And I stand by my argument that the lack of clearly defined quantitative evidence that "brightest" is necessarily better than "brighter" makes the whole discussion quite subjective.
I think there are plenty of things to place value on. I value my sanity over some quest to make myself the absolute safest I can be. In particular when there will always be other things that enter into the safety equation......and often times those are things where monetary values do not matter. So....I'm not saying you're wrong to spend whatever you want to spend to make yourself feel safer. You just haven't convinced me that it's worth THAT much more. And don't try to argue that Dinotte, in magnanimous fashion, put all the "extra cost" into making the light brighter. Really? That much more money? I think they are banking on the fact that there will always be that crop of riders out there who will insist on buying the best (or at least the perceived best) regardless. I don't have a problem with that....I like free markets. But they haven't sucked me in yet....and....it seems....there are a WHOLE BUNCH of Superflash (or equivalent) buyers out there who agree with me. So if I don't die from an accident in the coming years, can I say "Ha!.....I outfoxed the prevailing view?" Or will you just insist that I was just lucky I wasn't hit by someone and that other factors played no role? And if you hear of someone who gets hit by a car from behind with Dinotte ablaze, will you simply scoff at the whole notion of it being that someone STILL didn't see them (for countless other reasons) and that it was a fluke....an isolated incident....and that the Dinotte is still worth every penny?
Calculated means taking into account all issues at your disposal and making a judgment about their relative safety......with some inherent amount of risk always present. I've made my judgment....just like many other judgments from day to day in this scary world we live. I feel very comfortable with my decision.....I guess I just like to argue. :D
You buy the Superflash or equivalent because it is a nice balance of effectiveness and value. A Superflash is about 4 times the cost of a 5 dollar blinkie......a Dinotte is several times more than that. The argument is that the Superflash does the job well for me for that price.....there's ostensibly no reason to buy a Dinotte.
I think most people who have used the Dinotte agree that it's bright enough to compete with car taillights and thus will not go further in terms of output. So to answer the question, for the current crop of lights, this is most likely where it stops.
So you admit there is a stopping point? Good (though "most likely" sounds like a qualifier to me). So we just have a fundamental difference of opinion in where that point is. I say economics is an excellent barrier for RELATIVE degrees of safety. And I stand by my argument that the lack of clearly defined quantitative evidence that "brightest" is necessarily better than "brighter" makes the whole discussion quite subjective.
I think there are plenty of things to place value on. I value my sanity over some quest to make myself the absolute safest I can be. In particular when there will always be other things that enter into the safety equation......and often times those are things where monetary values do not matter. So....I'm not saying you're wrong to spend whatever you want to spend to make yourself feel safer. You just haven't convinced me that it's worth THAT much more. And don't try to argue that Dinotte, in magnanimous fashion, put all the "extra cost" into making the light brighter. Really? That much more money? I think they are banking on the fact that there will always be that crop of riders out there who will insist on buying the best (or at least the perceived best) regardless. I don't have a problem with that....I like free markets. But they haven't sucked me in yet....and....it seems....there are a WHOLE BUNCH of Superflash (or equivalent) buyers out there who agree with me. So if I don't die from an accident in the coming years, can I say "Ha!.....I outfoxed the prevailing view?" Or will you just insist that I was just lucky I wasn't hit by someone and that other factors played no role? And if you hear of someone who gets hit by a car from behind with Dinotte ablaze, will you simply scoff at the whole notion of it being that someone STILL didn't see them (for countless other reasons) and that it was a fluke....an isolated incident....and that the Dinotte is still worth every penny?
Calculated means taking into account all issues at your disposal and making a judgment about their relative safety......with some inherent amount of risk always present. I've made my judgment....just like many other judgments from day to day in this scary world we live. I feel very comfortable with my decision.....I guess I just like to argue. :D
mrjhmm
Ziemas just got added to my "ignore list". I don't appreciate his grumpiness and negativity.
Ziemas
^^^
I'm grumpy and negative because we differ on whether or not a super bright tail light is needed? Um, okay.
I'm grumpy and negative because we differ on whether or not a super bright tail light is needed? Um, okay.
robertlinthicum
The Dinotte tail light always makes drivers give me a wide berth even when its flashing during the day,it's like having eyes in the back of your head . You wouldn't ride in traffic without a helmet I wont ride in traffic without it and it's really easy to slip off when you get to the track.
JonX1.
I don't like to do it, but with my Dinotte flasher I will ride on high-speed roadways in a pinch. It gives motorists *lots* of early warning & was worth the $240 I paid for it (NiMh rechargeable).
JonX1.
I don't like to do it, but with my Dinotte flasher I will ride on high-speed roadways in a pinch. It gives motorists *lots* of early warning & was worth the $240 I paid for it (NiMh rechargeable).
robertlinthicum
bright lights in the wrong hands can be a bad thing. With Dinotte fronts, a reduced output setting is just a button-push away. (You should see the new European cars around here with the bluish HIDs--you've got to look away, day or night.)
Sir Bikesalot
And I stand by my argument that the lack of clearly defined quantitative evidence that "brightest" is necessarily better than "brighter" makes the whole discussion quite subjective.
I've personally driven (in a car) behind cyclists using SFs and Dinotte's. There's a huge difference. The Dinotte is so bright that the cyclist automatically gains a level of respect that's normally accorded only to cars (in addition to being visible at a greater distance). Yes it is somewhat blinding and yes it is somewhat painful to look at--but not any moreso than the LED taillights luxury cars are sporting these days. Personally, I was also a skeptic until I saw this for myself.
And don't try to argue that Dinotte, in magnanimous fashion, put all the "extra cost" into making the light brighter. Really? That much more money?
Certainly, there's a part of the extra cost that exists as a premium for owning the latest and greatest, but it doesn't mean we're getting cheated. That's the way it's been with consumer electronics for quite some time.
And if you hear of someone who gets hit by a car from behind with Dinotte ablaze, will you simply scoff at the whole notion of it being that someone STILL didn't see them
If someone got hit from behind and was using the Dinotte, I would rule out the possibility that the driver was looking at the road straight ahead of the car and still did not see the cyclist. In fact, I would conclude that the driver was probably not looking at the road at all (applying makeup, reaching into the backseat, etc.). With the SF, I would be less confident making these conclusions.
I've made my judgment....just like many other judgments from day to day in this scary world we live. I feel very comfortable with my decision.....I guess I just like to argue. :D
The SF is an excellent light. I think most Dinotte users were at some point SF users. Myself, I still use an SF for leisurely rides on slower roads. But at night on +40mph roads, I break out the Dinotte. I appreciate being able to modulate my response to the level of risk on the road, instead of tying myself inflexibly to one system for all situations. That's the decision I'm comfortable with :) (As a sidenote, before the Dinotte, I used twin SFs--which I find to be a good compromise for those who won't buy the Dinotte).
I've personally driven (in a car) behind cyclists using SFs and Dinotte's. There's a huge difference. The Dinotte is so bright that the cyclist automatically gains a level of respect that's normally accorded only to cars (in addition to being visible at a greater distance). Yes it is somewhat blinding and yes it is somewhat painful to look at--but not any moreso than the LED taillights luxury cars are sporting these days. Personally, I was also a skeptic until I saw this for myself.
And don't try to argue that Dinotte, in magnanimous fashion, put all the "extra cost" into making the light brighter. Really? That much more money?
Certainly, there's a part of the extra cost that exists as a premium for owning the latest and greatest, but it doesn't mean we're getting cheated. That's the way it's been with consumer electronics for quite some time.
And if you hear of someone who gets hit by a car from behind with Dinotte ablaze, will you simply scoff at the whole notion of it being that someone STILL didn't see them
If someone got hit from behind and was using the Dinotte, I would rule out the possibility that the driver was looking at the road straight ahead of the car and still did not see the cyclist. In fact, I would conclude that the driver was probably not looking at the road at all (applying makeup, reaching into the backseat, etc.). With the SF, I would be less confident making these conclusions.
I've made my judgment....just like many other judgments from day to day in this scary world we live. I feel very comfortable with my decision.....I guess I just like to argue. :D
The SF is an excellent light. I think most Dinotte users were at some point SF users. Myself, I still use an SF for leisurely rides on slower roads. But at night on +40mph roads, I break out the Dinotte. I appreciate being able to modulate my response to the level of risk on the road, instead of tying myself inflexibly to one system for all situations. That's the decision I'm comfortable with :) (As a sidenote, before the Dinotte, I used twin SFs--which I find to be a good compromise for those who won't buy the Dinotte).
flipped4bikes
Catfight!
I own both the Dinotte 140TL and SF. Love them both, the SF running as a secondary/backup to the Dinotte. I REALLY love running the Dinotte during the day. I also run a Dinotte 200L up front, both on some sort of blink pattern. Of course it can be overkill. I have them, and am perfectly comfortable running them during my commute day and night.
Ultimately, do what's you feel is best for you. My suspicion is that no matter what lights anyone runs here at BF, it's more than a bit of whipping out the ruler and seeing who's bigger, brighter, longer, cheaper, whatever. Not that I need a ruler to prove anything...:rolleyes:
Pfft! -Bill the Cat
I own both the Dinotte 140TL and SF. Love them both, the SF running as a secondary/backup to the Dinotte. I REALLY love running the Dinotte during the day. I also run a Dinotte 200L up front, both on some sort of blink pattern. Of course it can be overkill. I have them, and am perfectly comfortable running them during my commute day and night.
Ultimately, do what's you feel is best for you. My suspicion is that no matter what lights anyone runs here at BF, it's more than a bit of whipping out the ruler and seeing who's bigger, brighter, longer, cheaper, whatever. Not that I need a ruler to prove anything...:rolleyes:
Pfft! -Bill the Cat
Inthe10ring
I was sure that I wanted a Dinotte Tail Light until I passed one at night in a car... There IS such a thing as too much light. It may be a combination of a bright assed light and a poor job aiming the light properly, but it was not safe. The amount of glare on the windshield alone (dirty from camping), made it difficult to maintain my bearings in my lane. I found myself driving by braile as I passed the chap.
A combination of a PBSF, TL-LD1000 and a blinkie 3 (on the back of my helmet) have served my purpose thus far... Saving my money for other toys...
A combination of a PBSF, TL-LD1000 and a blinkie 3 (on the back of my helmet) have served my purpose thus far... Saving my money for other toys...
Sammyboy
I still believe there's such a thing as too much light. I bought the Dinottes, and set them up as below. I think this is unlikely to cause anyone problems.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a322/Samuelw72/P6250016.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a322/Samuelw72/P6250016.jpg
mechBgon
There IS such a thing as too much light. It may be a combination of a bright assed light and a poor job aiming the light properly, but it was not safe. The amount of glare on the windshield alone (dirty from camping), made it difficult to maintain my bearings in my lane. I found myself driving by braile as I passed the chap.
A DiNotte taillight still puts out far less light than a single car headlight (or a full lightbar on a police car). If your windshield's so dirty that a DiNotte makes it impossible to see through, you'd better hope you don't meet any motor vehicles (or emergency vehicles) ;) Best bet: wash your windshield... most cars have windshield washers nowdays.
As for me, even if I could get by with a SuperFlash or LD1100 at night, the DiNotte or Nova still hold all the aces in the daytime. Out on the highway, I definitely appreciate being visible from 30+ seconds back, particularly to people who intend to decelerate and make a right turn onto an intersecting highway. So I have no regrets about the DiNotte, or the Nova either.
A DiNotte taillight still puts out far less light than a single car headlight (or a full lightbar on a police car). If your windshield's so dirty that a DiNotte makes it impossible to see through, you'd better hope you don't meet any motor vehicles (or emergency vehicles) ;) Best bet: wash your windshield... most cars have windshield washers nowdays.
As for me, even if I could get by with a SuperFlash or LD1100 at night, the DiNotte or Nova still hold all the aces in the daytime. Out on the highway, I definitely appreciate being visible from 30+ seconds back, particularly to people who intend to decelerate and make a right turn onto an intersecting highway. So I have no regrets about the DiNotte, or the Nova either.
Ziemas
A DiNotte taillight still puts out far less light than a single car headlight (or a full lightbar on a police car). If your windshield's so dirty that a DiNotte makes it impossible to see through, you'd better hope you don't meet any motor vehicles (or emergency vehicles) ;) Best bet: wash your windshield... most cars have windshield washers nowdays.
Car headlights aren't aimed at the windshields of other cars; they're aimed at the ground. I've read posters on this very board discussing him they would aim their DiNotte taillights directly and intentionally into driver's eyes.
Car headlights aren't aimed at the windshields of other cars; they're aimed at the ground. I've read posters on this very board discussing him they would aim their DiNotte taillights directly and intentionally into driver's eyes.
mechBgon
Car headlights aren't aimed at the windshields of other cars; they're aimed at the ground.
I'm sure you've seen what happens when an oncoming car comes over a rise at you. Its headlights are now aimed directly at your windshield. I live in an area with lots of rolling terrain, so this is just a fact of life. If my windshield is so dirty that this is a problem, then I better stay off the road until I get it cleaned, because it's not realistic to expect that no bright lights will evar hit my windshield.
I've read posters on this very board discussing him they would aim their DiNotte taillights directly and intentionally into driver's eyes.
And so would I. Take a look at a semi trailer with four Peterson Manufacturing Barracuda taillights, which easily put out double the power of a DiNotte 140R in brake mode. Where are those taillights aimed? Yeah. Straight back at the people who need to see them. Take a look at a police car or highway-patrol car. Where are its light-bar strobes and auxiliary strobes aimed? Yeah, you got it... straight at the people who need to see them.
I'm sure you've seen what happens when an oncoming car comes over a rise at you. Its headlights are now aimed directly at your windshield. I live in an area with lots of rolling terrain, so this is just a fact of life. If my windshield is so dirty that this is a problem, then I better stay off the road until I get it cleaned, because it's not realistic to expect that no bright lights will evar hit my windshield.
I've read posters on this very board discussing him they would aim their DiNotte taillights directly and intentionally into driver's eyes.
And so would I. Take a look at a semi trailer with four Peterson Manufacturing Barracuda taillights, which easily put out double the power of a DiNotte 140R in brake mode. Where are those taillights aimed? Yeah. Straight back at the people who need to see them. Take a look at a police car or highway-patrol car. Where are its light-bar strobes and auxiliary strobes aimed? Yeah, you got it... straight at the people who need to see them.
Ziemas
I'm sure you've seen what happens when an oncoming car comes over a rise at you. Its headlights are now aimed directly at your windshield. I live in an area with lots of rolling terrain, so this is just a fact of life. If my windshield is so dirty that this is a problem, then I better stay off the road until I get it cleaned, because it's not realistic to expect that no bright lights will evar hit my windshield.
And so would I. Take a look at a semi trailer with four Peterson Manufacturing Barracuda taillights, which easily put out double the power of a DiNotte 140R in brake mode. Where are those taillights aimed? Yeah. Straight back at the people who need to see them. Take a look at a police car or highway-patrol car. Where are its light-bar strobes and auxiliary strobes aimed? Yeah, you got it... straight at the people who need to see them.
Why would you want to be a dick and blind drivers?
And so would I. Take a look at a semi trailer with four Peterson Manufacturing Barracuda taillights, which easily put out double the power of a DiNotte 140R in brake mode. Where are those taillights aimed? Yeah. Straight back at the people who need to see them. Take a look at a police car or highway-patrol car. Where are its light-bar strobes and auxiliary strobes aimed? Yeah, you got it... straight at the people who need to see them.
Why would you want to be a dick and blind drivers?
mrbubbles
Why would you want to be a dick and blind drivers?
I agree. Much more effective if you cast a pool of red light on the road behind you.
I agree. Much more effective if you cast a pool of red light on the road behind you.
mechBgon
Why would you want to be a dick and blind drivers?
Blinding drivers with a 140-lumen light? :lol: Maybe if I had a >1000-lumen red fog light on the rear, a la some fancy European cars, or, I dunno, a firetruck covered with 50 strobes that all have more power than a DiNotte taillight does. Yeah, we got to do something about those firetrucks. Then there's the setting sun in my eyes... I mean, who does God think He is, anyway? :notamused:
OK, so you don't want a DiNotte, you don't think you need one... we get it. But some people do want/need one. I just finished a 60-mile / 96km commute home via state and rural highways, starting at 6PM and finishing at 9:45, and there were plenty of places where I was glad to have "too much" taillight power to help me show up against the setting sun (among other things).
Having used both the DiNotte and the even more powerful Nova quite a bit, I've received nothing but positive remarks. Strangers opening their window to tell me it was easy to spot me in traffic. Strangers wanting to know what kind of taillight that is / where can they get one. Co-workers giving me enthusiastic reports about how well I show up. And on my ride tonight, the lady in the blue Subaru slowly passing me in downtown Cheney and yelling "NICE LIGHT! :)" as she went by. You'd think if I were a "dick," as you put it, someone would've said so by now ;) If you do a Forum search for "DiNotte," I think you'll see that other BF members also get compliments for theirs, too.
I agree. Much more effective if you cast a pool of red light on the road behind you.
Umm, wrong. In daylight, or anything close to daylight, that's a worthless tactic. Did you think we only use them in the dark?
http://www.mechbgon.com/visibility/300m_cropped.jpg
And in the dark, you still want it aimed towards the driver, not down. Especially if you have heavy traffic to be seen in...
http://www.mechbgon.com/visibility/mechsworld.jpg
What is the real story here, anyway... are you guys worried that you'll be blasted with DiNotte taillights on the MUP, or what? And to answer the question in the original post, yeah, there's something with the power of a DiNotte for less money. A Nova or Whelen baby-sized emergency-vehicle strobe (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=202062).
Tangentially, this all reminded me of a guy who came into the bike shop last year, and the manager was showing him taillights. The guy was offended at the SuperFlash. He said the SuperFlash was MUCH too bright, my goodness, only a terribly rude person would ever use one of those! What would people think if he went around blinding people with a SuperFlash?! Fortunately I didn't talk to him in person :)
Blinding drivers with a 140-lumen light? :lol: Maybe if I had a >1000-lumen red fog light on the rear, a la some fancy European cars, or, I dunno, a firetruck covered with 50 strobes that all have more power than a DiNotte taillight does. Yeah, we got to do something about those firetrucks. Then there's the setting sun in my eyes... I mean, who does God think He is, anyway? :notamused:
OK, so you don't want a DiNotte, you don't think you need one... we get it. But some people do want/need one. I just finished a 60-mile / 96km commute home via state and rural highways, starting at 6PM and finishing at 9:45, and there were plenty of places where I was glad to have "too much" taillight power to help me show up against the setting sun (among other things).
Having used both the DiNotte and the even more powerful Nova quite a bit, I've received nothing but positive remarks. Strangers opening their window to tell me it was easy to spot me in traffic. Strangers wanting to know what kind of taillight that is / where can they get one. Co-workers giving me enthusiastic reports about how well I show up. And on my ride tonight, the lady in the blue Subaru slowly passing me in downtown Cheney and yelling "NICE LIGHT! :)" as she went by. You'd think if I were a "dick," as you put it, someone would've said so by now ;) If you do a Forum search for "DiNotte," I think you'll see that other BF members also get compliments for theirs, too.
I agree. Much more effective if you cast a pool of red light on the road behind you.
Umm, wrong. In daylight, or anything close to daylight, that's a worthless tactic. Did you think we only use them in the dark?
http://www.mechbgon.com/visibility/300m_cropped.jpg
And in the dark, you still want it aimed towards the driver, not down. Especially if you have heavy traffic to be seen in...
http://www.mechbgon.com/visibility/mechsworld.jpg
What is the real story here, anyway... are you guys worried that you'll be blasted with DiNotte taillights on the MUP, or what? And to answer the question in the original post, yeah, there's something with the power of a DiNotte for less money. A Nova or Whelen baby-sized emergency-vehicle strobe (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=202062).
Tangentially, this all reminded me of a guy who came into the bike shop last year, and the manager was showing him taillights. The guy was offended at the SuperFlash. He said the SuperFlash was MUCH too bright, my goodness, only a terribly rude person would ever use one of those! What would people think if he went around blinding people with a SuperFlash?! Fortunately I didn't talk to him in person :)
Ziemas
Blinding drivers with a 140-lumen light? :lol:
Why don't you go set up your 140l light at eye level, back off 20 or 30 meters and tell me if it's blinding. :rolleyes:
A focused LED produces a totally different light and beam pattern from a defused halogen. It's not a fair comparison.
Why don't you go set up your 140l light at eye level, back off 20 or 30 meters and tell me if it's blinding. :rolleyes:
A focused LED produces a totally different light and beam pattern from a defused halogen. It's not a fair comparison.
mechBgon
Why don't you go set up your 140l light at eye level, back off 20 or 30 meters and tell me if it's blinding. :rolleyes:
I don't think I've ever had a battery-powered light that I didn't examine in that fashion ;) It's powerful, but certainly not blinding when driving a car with about 2500 lumens out the front, or in daylight/twilight. Given the cagers' compliments to me and other BF members, and the fact that they don't actually exhibit any signs of being blinded in the real world, I don't see your hypothesis (it's too intense/bright!) being supported by the empirical evidence. And you know what that means ;)
A focused LED produces a totally different light and beam pattern from a defused halogen. It's not a fair comparison.
The DiNotte has a pretty broad flood pattern, actually. It's far less focused than, say, my L2D Premium Q5 (which has, OMG, a blinding 180 lumens). Beam shot:
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/mechBgon/dinotte.jpg
Take a look at a police LED deck/dash strobe, some of them have 8 to 16 emitters jammed in there, not just one. And yet, people survive having looked at them, and stuff ;) Here's a sample:
http://www.strobesnmore.com/images/PRED%20II%20DUAL%20LARGE.jpg
I don't think I've ever had a battery-powered light that I didn't examine in that fashion ;) It's powerful, but certainly not blinding when driving a car with about 2500 lumens out the front, or in daylight/twilight. Given the cagers' compliments to me and other BF members, and the fact that they don't actually exhibit any signs of being blinded in the real world, I don't see your hypothesis (it's too intense/bright!) being supported by the empirical evidence. And you know what that means ;)
A focused LED produces a totally different light and beam pattern from a defused halogen. It's not a fair comparison.
The DiNotte has a pretty broad flood pattern, actually. It's far less focused than, say, my L2D Premium Q5 (which has, OMG, a blinding 180 lumens). Beam shot:
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/mechBgon/dinotte.jpg
Take a look at a police LED deck/dash strobe, some of them have 8 to 16 emitters jammed in there, not just one. And yet, people survive having looked at them, and stuff ;) Here's a sample:
http://www.strobesnmore.com/images/PRED%20II%20DUAL%20LARGE.jpg
Ziemas
I don't think I've ever had a battery-powered light that I didn't examine in that fashion ;) It's powerful, but certainly not blinding when driving a car with about 2500 lumens out the front, or in daylight/twilight. Given the cagers' compliments to me and other BF members, and the fact that they don't actually exhibit any signs of being blinded in the real world, I don't see your hypothesis (it's too intense/bright!) being supported by the empirical evidence. And you know what that means ;)
The DiNotte has a pretty broad flood pattern, actually. It's far less focused than, say, my L2D Premium Q5 (which has, OMG, a blinding 180 lumens). Beam shot:
Take a look at a police LED deck/dash strobe, some of them have 8 to 16 emitters jammed in there, not just one. And yet, people survive having looked at them, and stuff ;) Here's a sample:
You are not an emergency vehicle clearing the roads of traffic to get somewhere quickly. As I'm sure you know, when an emergency vehicle has it's lights on traffic stops.
When you aim it directly in someones eyes it is blinding. I don't know why you wish to argue that fact. The Fenix is blinding too, which I have both tested myself and been told by a friend. If you wish not to respect drivers by intentionally shining a very bright light in their eyes which you know is blinding don't be surprised when they have a lack of respect toward you. The road is to be shared, at that mean that you must try and respect the others on it.
It's clear by your attitude and willingness to intentionally shine a very bright light in the eyes of drivers that you somehow think that your right to the road supersedes others. Check out Sammyboy's photos for a picture of respectful use of a very bright light.
The DiNotte has a pretty broad flood pattern, actually. It's far less focused than, say, my L2D Premium Q5 (which has, OMG, a blinding 180 lumens). Beam shot:
Take a look at a police LED deck/dash strobe, some of them have 8 to 16 emitters jammed in there, not just one. And yet, people survive having looked at them, and stuff ;) Here's a sample:
You are not an emergency vehicle clearing the roads of traffic to get somewhere quickly. As I'm sure you know, when an emergency vehicle has it's lights on traffic stops.
When you aim it directly in someones eyes it is blinding. I don't know why you wish to argue that fact. The Fenix is blinding too, which I have both tested myself and been told by a friend. If you wish not to respect drivers by intentionally shining a very bright light in their eyes which you know is blinding don't be surprised when they have a lack of respect toward you. The road is to be shared, at that mean that you must try and respect the others on it.
It's clear by your attitude and willingness to intentionally shine a very bright light in the eyes of drivers that you somehow think that your right to the road supersedes others. Check out Sammyboy's photos for a picture of respectful use of a very bright light.
mechBgon
You are not an emergency vehicle clearing the roads of traffic to get somewhere quickly. As I'm sure you know, when an emergency vehicle has it's lights on traffic stops.
That's quite incorrect. Haven't you ever seen a police car stopped with its lights on, or a firetruck? Does everyone nearby stop and just sit there? Nope ;)
When you aim it directly in someones eyes it is blinding. I don't know why you wish to argue that fact.
I don't agree, and if I hadn't lent out my camera, I'd be happy to shoot some in-vehicle footage to demonstrate that. As a worst-case scenario, here's the Nova in complete darkness, without any of the foreground lighting that a motorist would have: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3cy6KSr8wk It's bright, it's attention-getting, but you'll notice that you (and the camera) have no difficulty seeing past it to the area lit up by the headlight. The Nova has three emitters and I consider it more powerful than the DiNotte.
The Fenix is blinding too, which I have both tested myself and been told by a friend. If you wish not to respect drivers by intentionally shining a very bright light in their eyes which you know is blinding don't be surprised when they have a lack of respect toward you. The road is to be shared, at that mean that you must try and respect the others on it.
It's clear by your attitude and willingness to intentionally shine a very bright light in the eyes of drivers that you somehow think that your right to the road supersedes others. Check out Sammyboy's photos for a picture of respectful use of a very bright light.
Feel free to explain why everyone I've talked to about my taillights says only good things like "NICE LIGHT," that I showed up well on the road and was easy to see, and where did I get it / where can they get one :) It's clear that you've already picked out your position, and don't intend to be deterred by mere facts and evidence, so... whatever dude :rolleyes: That's trolling, in my book, so you may get added to another Ignore list if you insist on keeping it up.
That's quite incorrect. Haven't you ever seen a police car stopped with its lights on, or a firetruck? Does everyone nearby stop and just sit there? Nope ;)
When you aim it directly in someones eyes it is blinding. I don't know why you wish to argue that fact.
I don't agree, and if I hadn't lent out my camera, I'd be happy to shoot some in-vehicle footage to demonstrate that. As a worst-case scenario, here's the Nova in complete darkness, without any of the foreground lighting that a motorist would have: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3cy6KSr8wk It's bright, it's attention-getting, but you'll notice that you (and the camera) have no difficulty seeing past it to the area lit up by the headlight. The Nova has three emitters and I consider it more powerful than the DiNotte.
The Fenix is blinding too, which I have both tested myself and been told by a friend. If you wish not to respect drivers by intentionally shining a very bright light in their eyes which you know is blinding don't be surprised when they have a lack of respect toward you. The road is to be shared, at that mean that you must try and respect the others on it.
It's clear by your attitude and willingness to intentionally shine a very bright light in the eyes of drivers that you somehow think that your right to the road supersedes others. Check out Sammyboy's photos for a picture of respectful use of a very bright light.
Feel free to explain why everyone I've talked to about my taillights says only good things like "NICE LIGHT," that I showed up well on the road and was easy to see, and where did I get it / where can they get one :) It's clear that you've already picked out your position, and don't intend to be deterred by mere facts and evidence, so... whatever dude :rolleyes: That's trolling, in my book, so you may get added to another Ignore list if you insist on keeping it up.
varuscelli
Wow, I hadn't realized how controversial this subject had become! :eek:
Think I'll just watch from the safety of the stands. ;)
Ringside!
Think I'll just watch from the safety of the stands. ;)
Ringside!
Ziemas
Feel free to explain why everyone I've talked to about my taillights says only good things like "NICE LIGHT," that I showed up well on the road and was easy to see, and where did I get it / where can they get one :) It's clear that you've already picked out your position, and don't intend to be deterred by mere facts and evidence, so... whatever dude :rolleyes: That's trolling, in my book, so you may get added to another Ignore list if you insist on keeping it up.
Trolling because I don't think it's cool to intentionally shine a bright light in someones eyes? You like to blather on about cop lights and all sorts of other non-sense, but what about the driver who posted about being blinded by a Dinotte taillight? Is that suddenly immaterial?
I love it how there is a group of cyclists who complain about the lack of respect they get on the road and then feel the need to retaliate. If you intentionally shine a 140l LED light in a drivers eyes you are just as disrespectful as the worst drivers out there.
Why do you think Dinotte recommends pointing their taillight down?
http://www.dinottelighting.com/manuals/tail%20light%20mount%20instruction.pdf
Trolling because I don't think it's cool to intentionally shine a bright light in someones eyes? You like to blather on about cop lights and all sorts of other non-sense, but what about the driver who posted about being blinded by a Dinotte taillight? Is that suddenly immaterial?
I love it how there is a group of cyclists who complain about the lack of respect they get on the road and then feel the need to retaliate. If you intentionally shine a 140l LED light in a drivers eyes you are just as disrespectful as the worst drivers out there.
Why do you think Dinotte recommends pointing their taillight down?
http://www.dinottelighting.com/manuals/tail%20light%20mount%20instruction.pdf
rfomenko
I point it down at night & keep it level during the day. I doubt it can blind the drivers when it's sunny outside. This way everyone is happy, lol.
mechBgon
but what about the driver who posted about being blinded by a Dinotte taillight?
As he himself said, the problem was that he'd left his windshield dirty, making it difficult to see through it when it was hit by a strong source of light. The solution to that problem is (dare I say) blindingly obvious: clean the windshield. On my car, that involves pushing on the end of the turn-signal stalk with my finger. If I didn't, I'd have no one to blame but myself for my negligence.
As I mentioned before, there's some self-righteous guy in our area who's adamant that a Planet Bike SuperFlash is "blinding" and grossly irresponsible to be using in public. Are you going to point your LD1100 down at the ground, since it's even more powerful than a SuperFlash? ;) I didn't think so. You can't go through life fretting that some loud-mouthed, self-appointed critic on the Internet disapproves of something, or you'll be paralyzed.
If you were talking about MUP usage, then I'd say you had a point. A DiNotte 140R is out of place on an MUP, for reasons that ought to be self-explanatory (no motor vehicles, lack of rear-collision danger, very little speed differential by anyone overtaking you, and people with weak or non-existent lights who are relying on night-adapted vision in an unlighted environment, etc). In that scenario, I'd use a low-powered taillight on steady-burn. But I avoid MUPs like the plague. Out on the highways, on city arterials, and in downtown traffic, it's a different situation.
If you intentionally shine a 140l LED light in a drivers eyes you are just as disrespectful as the worst drivers out there.
The cagers in my area don't seem to agree with you, judging by the praise they've heaped on my Nova and DiNotte so far. Deal with it. :)
As he himself said, the problem was that he'd left his windshield dirty, making it difficult to see through it when it was hit by a strong source of light. The solution to that problem is (dare I say) blindingly obvious: clean the windshield. On my car, that involves pushing on the end of the turn-signal stalk with my finger. If I didn't, I'd have no one to blame but myself for my negligence.
As I mentioned before, there's some self-righteous guy in our area who's adamant that a Planet Bike SuperFlash is "blinding" and grossly irresponsible to be using in public. Are you going to point your LD1100 down at the ground, since it's even more powerful than a SuperFlash? ;) I didn't think so. You can't go through life fretting that some loud-mouthed, self-appointed critic on the Internet disapproves of something, or you'll be paralyzed.
If you were talking about MUP usage, then I'd say you had a point. A DiNotte 140R is out of place on an MUP, for reasons that ought to be self-explanatory (no motor vehicles, lack of rear-collision danger, very little speed differential by anyone overtaking you, and people with weak or non-existent lights who are relying on night-adapted vision in an unlighted environment, etc). In that scenario, I'd use a low-powered taillight on steady-burn. But I avoid MUPs like the plague. Out on the highways, on city arterials, and in downtown traffic, it's a different situation.
If you intentionally shine a 140l LED light in a drivers eyes you are just as disrespectful as the worst drivers out there.
The cagers in my area don't seem to agree with you, judging by the praise they've heaped on my Nova and DiNotte so far. Deal with it. :)
BarracksSi
As he himself said, the problem was that he'd left his windshield dirty, making it difficult to see through it when it was hit by a strong source of light. The solution to that problem is (dare I say) blindingly obvious: clean the windshield. On my car, that involves pushing on the end of the turn-signal stalk with my finger. If I didn't, I'd have no one to blame but myself for my negligence.
+1 A dirty windshield is the sign of a stupid, ignorant, unsafe driver.
If you were talking about MUP usage, then I'd say you had a point. A DiNotte 140R is out of place on an MUP, for reasons that ought to be self-explanatory (no motor vehicles, lack of rear-collision danger, very little speed differential by anyone overtaking you, and people with weak or non-existent lights who are relying on night-adapted vision in an unlighted environment, etc). In that scenario, I'd use a low-powered taillight on steady-burn. But I avoid MUPs like the plague. Out on the highways, on city arterials, and in downtown traffic, it's a different situation.
The good thing about Dinotte's taillight mount is that it's easy to tweak its aim while on the move. It's basically a friction mount rather than something you'd screw down, and it stays put unless you decide to move it. I've switched mine to its dim setting and aimed it nearly at the rear wheel, then swung it back to level once I got back onto the streets.
+1 A dirty windshield is the sign of a stupid, ignorant, unsafe driver.
If you were talking about MUP usage, then I'd say you had a point. A DiNotte 140R is out of place on an MUP, for reasons that ought to be self-explanatory (no motor vehicles, lack of rear-collision danger, very little speed differential by anyone overtaking you, and people with weak or non-existent lights who are relying on night-adapted vision in an unlighted environment, etc). In that scenario, I'd use a low-powered taillight on steady-burn. But I avoid MUPs like the plague. Out on the highways, on city arterials, and in downtown traffic, it's a different situation.
The good thing about Dinotte's taillight mount is that it's easy to tweak its aim while on the move. It's basically a friction mount rather than something you'd screw down, and it stays put unless you decide to move it. I've switched mine to its dim setting and aimed it nearly at the rear wheel, then swung it back to level once I got back onto the streets.
Ziemas
As I mentioned before, there's some self-righteous guy in our area who's adamant that a Planet Bike SuperFlash is "blinding" and grossly irresponsible to be using in public. Are you going to point your LD1100 down at the ground, since it's even more powerful than a SuperFlash? ;) I didn't think so. You can't go through life fretting that some loud-mouthed, self-appointed critic on the Internet disapproves of something, or you'll be paralyzed.
What a paranoid delusion. Millions of people safely commute every day with a Dinotte tailight and somehow make it home safely with all limbs working.
I'll post this again:
There is a small minority of almost paranoid posters here who claim that if you don't have the absolutely brightest light you are in grave danger. The funny thing about this is that before the Dinotte came out the 'I must have the absolutely brightest light' crowd warned of imminent danger if one didn't have the NiteRider tail light, as it was the brightest at the time.
Then the Dinotte came out and the 'I must have the absolutely brightest light' suddenly warned of imminent danger if one didn't have the Dinotte tail light. Suddenly the Nite Rider light that was a 'life saver' was down right dangerous because there was something brighter on the market.
Some time in the future something brighter than the Dinotte will come along and we'll hear from the 'I must have the absolutely brightest light' crowd of the imminent danger we are putting ourselves in if we don't use this new light.
If you like really bright lights, great use them, (hell, I have a collection of really bright flashlights, so I can see the fun in futzing around with bright lights) but don't go around trying to scare people that horrible things will happen unless they have the brightest light possible. Many of the taillights on the market like the Cateye TL-1100 and the SuperFlash are extremely visible to drivers.
I've even seen posts here by people saying that they want to hit drivers square in the eyes to BLIND them with their Dinotte taillights. Take these folks with a grain of salt.
The cagers in my area don't seem to agree with you, judging by the praise they've heaped on my Nova and DiNotte so far. Deal with it. :)
I'm very happy that I don't need to deal with inconsiderate people like yourself who don't take others into account and somehow feel that they have the right not to respect others because of their own fears. I can't wait to see you gush all over the next brightest light. :rolleyes:
What a paranoid delusion. Millions of people safely commute every day with a Dinotte tailight and somehow make it home safely with all limbs working.
I'll post this again:
There is a small minority of almost paranoid posters here who claim that if you don't have the absolutely brightest light you are in grave danger. The funny thing about this is that before the Dinotte came out the 'I must have the absolutely brightest light' crowd warned of imminent danger if one didn't have the NiteRider tail light, as it was the brightest at the time.
Then the Dinotte came out and the 'I must have the absolutely brightest light' suddenly warned of imminent danger if one didn't have the Dinotte tail light. Suddenly the Nite Rider light that was a 'life saver' was down right dangerous because there was something brighter on the market.
Some time in the future something brighter than the Dinotte will come along and we'll hear from the 'I must have the absolutely brightest light' crowd of the imminent danger we are putting ourselves in if we don't use this new light.
If you like really bright lights, great use them, (hell, I have a collection of really bright flashlights, so I can see the fun in futzing around with bright lights) but don't go around trying to scare people that horrible things will happen unless they have the brightest light possible. Many of the taillights on the market like the Cateye TL-1100 and the SuperFlash are extremely visible to drivers.
I've even seen posts here by people saying that they want to hit drivers square in the eyes to BLIND them with their Dinotte taillights. Take these folks with a grain of salt.
The cagers in my area don't seem to agree with you, judging by the praise they've heaped on my Nova and DiNotte so far. Deal with it. :)
I'm very happy that I don't need to deal with inconsiderate people like yourself who don't take others into account and somehow feel that they have the right not to respect others because of their own fears. I can't wait to see you gush all over the next brightest light. :rolleyes:
Ziemas
+1 A dirty windshield is the sign of a stupid, ignorant, unsafe driver.
Wow, in a perfect world we'd all have a clean windshield. But guess we should take that into account since it's not a perfect world......
The good thing about Dinotte's taillight mount is that it's easy to tweak its aim while on the move. It's basically a friction mount rather than something you'd screw down, and it stays put unless you decide to move it. I've switched mine to its dim setting and aimed it nearly at the rear wheel, then swung it back to level once I got back onto the streets.
So it is blinding. Thanks for clearing that up.
Wow, in a perfect world we'd all have a clean windshield. But guess we should take that into account since it's not a perfect world......
The good thing about Dinotte's taillight mount is that it's easy to tweak its aim while on the move. It's basically a friction mount rather than something you'd screw down, and it stays put unless you decide to move it. I've switched mine to its dim setting and aimed it nearly at the rear wheel, then swung it back to level once I got back onto the streets.
So it is blinding. Thanks for clearing that up.
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