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humboldt'sroads
05-11-08, 03:06 PM
I'm wanting to undertake at least a week long detox program - you know, start fresh for the summer...get all the nasty stuff out of the system that's accumulated over the course of a stressful semester. I've been feeling like I could use a detox for a while, though I generally don't eat too bad. I know that the consequences of a detox will be low energy for a while, and probably some weight loss.
The only program (that's not selling some schwag product) that I know of and am entertaining: Lemon juice, grade B maple syrup + cayenne pepper. Has anyone tried this method? I ride almost every day and don't want to cut back my riding too drastically, and I also like to run and swim at least a couple times/week. Can I sustain this level of activity through such a detox, and minimize weight loss? Advice? Testimonials? Suggestions?
The only detox I've ever needed was a good long ride. The body's own detoxification capabilities are quite sophisticated and effective.
Az
Eat more fiber. That'll detox ya good.
Water, massage, lots of short to medium very easy distance.
humboldt'sroads
05-11-08, 03:59 PM
The only detox I've ever needed was a good long ride. The body's own detoxification capabilities are quite sophisticated and effective.
Az
True...I've ridden two centuries in the past 3 weeks, and ride about 500 miles a month from spring thru fall.
Eat more fiber. That'll detox ya good.
I eat oatmeal with raisins, bananas & walnuts EVERY day (not the instant crap), no exceptions unless I'm riding a long ride that morning. I also eat lots of fruit and veggies.
I'm not living unhealthily or eating complete crap by any means, but maybe I want to use a good detox as a disciplinary measure to avoid, or at least tone down the "school's out for summer" beer and barbeque binge. Also I'm really trying to develop and exercise more mental self-control, to avoid unnecessary cravings and the need for that daily afternoon beer or two and the occasional smoke. I feel like I'm doing things about 80% right, and that a good detox will get the other 20% out and jump start a good healthy summer...
kopid03
05-11-08, 05:25 PM
I would suggest you make that week a very easy week with biking/running or you will bonk pretty hard on the bike. You probably wont be refilling your glycogen stores sufficiently with some lemon juice. If you were planning on taking an easy rest week, that would be a great time for it.
dahoss2002
05-11-08, 08:23 PM
Use molasses instead of the maple syrup. If you read the ingredients on the label of molasses you will find plenty of carbs, calcium, iron, copper, and potassium if you are using the full 12 oz. bottle in your lemonade mix. Dont leave out the pinch or 2 of cayenne. It improves the taste greatly. I still make a 32 oz bottle of it when I go on rides more than 35 miles or so using a 1/4 cup molasses, juice from 3 lemons,cayenne to taste, and water for the rest of the quart. About 250 calories, 63 g carbs for my quart mixture.
humboldt'sroads
05-11-08, 11:02 PM
I shall consider this...any advantage to molasses over vermont's phinest?
I did this exact one you mention for 21 days and continued riding. However, it was commuting not training and my distance was only 9km each way. But, I took it easy and still felt pretty much ok. But, I think each person handles this sort of clense differently so why not try it out for a few days and fine tune it after seeing how your body responds.
The only detox I've ever needed was a good long ride. The body's own detoxification capabilities are quite sophisticated and effective.
Az
+1
forced detox plans are a joke. it is scientific fact that the body doesn't need them.
later.
humboldt'sroads
05-12-08, 10:04 AM
it is scientific fact that the body doesn't need them.
Could you provide a link to such facts? I'd like to know all I can before committing to this...
Nice TCR, btw.:thumb:
Could you provide a link to such facts? I'd like to know all I can before committing to this...
Nice TCR, btw.:thumb:
Actually every medical text will tell you exactly how. Here are a coupla general overviews.
http://health.howstuffworks.com/kidney.htm
http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/UVAHealth/peds_digest/liverant.cfm
Here is a good read:
http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2008/03/detoxificationthe_pinnacle_of.php
Anybody that believes in "detox" is full of crap.
RCordone
05-12-08, 06:55 PM
Detox is for drunks ,druggies and politicians, 5 Prunes a day will keep you pipes clean :)
AnthonyG
05-12-08, 10:09 PM
Detox is a perfectly valid method to avoid life long, chronic disease. Its not something you just do for a week or two by taking a product. Its a long term method and it involves supporting your bodies own detoxification pathways and sometimes they DO get overwhelmed and need nutritional support.
Most detoxification protocols start with getting your bowel moving and keeping it moving. If your backed up then your not detoxifying anything. You also need high levels of nutrition. Various vitamins and minerals are vital to detoxification and if your diet is lacking your detoxification pathways will backup.
Fresh food diet is best and cut the processed crap which is hard to digest. See, http://www.westonaprice.org/ for a whole HEAP of information on diet and health. Its a traditionalist organisation that I was a member of.
There's a whole heap of foods I consume to help me detox and a handful of suppliments. Food wise see the link but generaly eat fresh food and don't be afraid of animal fats. Animal fats are nutrient dense foods that contain many nutrients.
Supplement wise I find magnesium to be important to detoxification and general health. Milk thistle is a good supplement to help the liver detox and if you want a serious supplement to detox then find yourself some Chlorella. Chlorella is like Spirulina if you have heard of that. They are micro algee and Chlorella in paticular is a powerful heavy metal detoxifying agent.
Regards, Anthony
Detox is a perfectly valid method to avoid life long, chronic disease.
Bullsh*t. It's quackery, pure and simple.
While there may be some health benefits to intermittent fasting, the proponents of "detox diets" are simply looking to get rich by scaring the gullible into thinking their bodies are incapable of getting rid of "toxins".
Our bodies are exquisitely designed by millions of years of evolution to rid themselves of toxins, and maintain the proper balance of essential minerals, vitamins, etc.
To claim, without scientific evidence, that some bizarre diet that's being promoted by a huckster's website is the secret cure for a wide range of maladies is simply ludicrous.
Here's a good discussion of the fallacies of "detox", featuring top British scientists -
http://www.senseaboutscience.org.uk/index.php/site/project/47. Their bottom line message is, "save your money: have a glass of tap water, a turkey salad and a good night’s sleep!”
dahoss2002
05-13-08, 12:47 AM
I shall consider this...any advantage to molasses over vermont's phinest?
If you have a source for 100% pure maple syrup, by all means use that and let me know where you get it. Most maple syrup you get at the grocery store is part corn syrup. Not saying molasses is any better for you. Besides when I did the cleanse, I rarely use it.
humboldt'sroads
05-13-08, 01:59 AM
Bullsh*t. It's quackery, pure and simple.
While there may be some health benefits to intermittent fasting, the proponents of "detox diets" are simply looking to get rich by scaring the gullible into thinking their bodies are incapable of getting rid of "toxins".
I don't totally agree with you. I'm not sure who's getting rich as a result of me consuming lemons, cayenne, and syrup...things I have already. I do agree that designer products are unnecessary. Having consulted some friends who've done this cleanse (who are not druggies, or alcoholics, but beer drinkers, occasional ganja and tobacco smokers, and heavy coffee addicts as I am) I've heard of it working wonders for their digestion and energy levels for months to come (obviously after finishing the cleanse) and helped them kick the caffeine dependency.
If you have a source for 100% pure maple syrup, by all means use that and let me know where you get it. Most maple syrup you get at the grocery store is part corn syrup. Not saying molasses is any better for you. Besides when I did the cleanse, I rarely use it.
Every store in town...
AnthonyG
05-13-08, 05:14 AM
Bullsh*t. It's quackery, pure and simple.
What are you talking about??
Name something?
I just stated that I wasn't promoting any particular plan but that nutritional support for detoxification is often required.
From personal experience I have been suffering from a serious disease burden for many years. I was poisoned to hell by mercury.
Why was I so poisoned by mercury? A, because I didn't eliminate any of it and I just stored it for many years.
Why did I just store it rather than excrete it? A, because I was deficient in magnesium.
So I had a simple mineral deficiency that prevented me from detoxifying naturally and it lead to serious disease. Magnesium is also good for keeping your bowel moving regularly which is important if you want to detox.
Regards, Anthony
Bullsh*t. It's quackery, pure and simple.
While there may be some health benefits to intermittent fasting, the proponents of "detox diets" are simply looking to get rich by scaring the gullible into thinking their bodies are incapable of getting rid of "toxins".
Our bodies are exquisitely designed by millions of years of evolution to rid themselves of toxins, and maintain the proper balance of essential minerals, vitamins, etc.
To claim, without scientific evidence, that some bizarre diet that's being promoted by a huckster's website is the secret cure for a wide range of maladies is simply ludicrous.
Here's a good discussion of the fallacies of "detox", featuring top British scientists -
http://www.senseaboutscience.org.uk/index.php/site/project/47. Their bottom line message is, "save your money: have a glass of tap water, a turkey salad and a good night’s sleep!”
1 million percent correct.
later.
Why do so many always seem to get so bent out of shape when it comes to alternative thinking and/or approaches to things.
There is no point in getting into these debates as it just turns into a link posting contest.
Why do so many always seem to get so bent out of shape when it comes to alternative thinking and/or approaches to things.
There is no point in getting into these debates as it just turns into a link posting contest.
Why? Because so many times (note that I did not say all) alternative thinking is simply code for dubious marketers to seperate you from your money. Actually, there are plenty of standard thinking marketers that have the same goal and are only slightly less sneaky.
I don't see a problem with intelligent debate. I've been reading a lot of these links, and a couple of them have been pretty educational.
It's only when the debate turns into name calling and posts that say nothing but "you're full of crap" with no facts or even theories that say anything new.
Az
Why do so many always seem to get so bent out of shape when it comes to alternative thinking and/or approaches to things.
Well... I'm pretty savvy at life sciences, savvy enough to know that if something sounds like quackery, it probably is. If it doesn't you still ask a doctor. Real M.D., who studied his a**e off for a decade (they do), and by definition knows much more than you. If most of those think it's quackery it UNDOUBTEDLY is, Big Pharma Conspiracy theories or no. (and no, Big Pharma aren't always good guys either.)
There is no point in getting into these debates as it just turns into a link posting contest.
:) Basically, yes. It's still interesting sometimes.
And another ones for link posting contest:
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/gastro.html
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/detox.html
There is no point in getting into these debates as it just turns into a link posting contest.
I wish people would post links to peer-reviewed scientific journal articles about these toxins that are supposedly running rampant through our bodies.
But I rather suspect there are no peer-reviewed scientific journal articles about these toxins.
andre nickatina
05-13-08, 06:27 PM
If it doesn't you still ask a doctor. Real M.D., who studied his a**e off for a decade (they do), and by definition knows much more than you. If most of those think it's quackery it UNDOUBTEDLY is, Big Pharma Conspiracy theories or no. (and no, Big Pharma aren't always good guys either.)
The medical paradigm is to treat disease, not prevent it. In a world where everyone exercises, eats healthy, gets good rest and takes supplements as needed, doctors are out of business. Therefore, it's pretty damn easy to see why detox, a preventative measure, isn't so well regarded from Big Pharma.
It's pretty funny how aham23 was so immediately militant towards AnthonyG when in reality the "detox" Anthony was talking about was moreso just about eating well, getting enough fiber to keep things moving (something everyone should already be doing) and taking a few supplements (namely spirulina).
Speaking of spirulina:
Spirulina, a filamentous cyanobacterium, possesses diverse biological activities and nutritional significance due to high concentration of natural nutrients, having bio-modulatory and immuno-modulatory functions. Different Spirulina preparations influence immune system viz. increase phagocytic activity of macrophages, stimulating the production of antibodies and cytokines, increase accumulation of NK cells into tissue and activation and mobilization of T and B cells. Spirulina have also shown to perform regulatory role on lipid and carbohydrate metabolism by exhibiting glucose and lipid profile correcting activity in experimental animals and in diabetic patients. Preparations have been found to be active against several enveloped viruses including herpes virus, cytomegalovirus, influenza virus and HIV. They are capable to inhibit carcinogenesis due to anti-oxidant properties that protect tissues and also reduce toxicity of liver, kidney and testes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16248810?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
An aqueous extract of the blue-green filamentous algae Arthrospira platensis (previously called Spirulina platensis) inhibited HIV-1 replication in human T-cell lines, peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMC), and Langerhans cells (LC). Extract concentrations ranging between 0.3 and 1.2 microg/ml reduced viral production by approximately 50% (50% effective concentration [EC50]) in PBMCs. The 50% inhibitory concentration (IC50) of extract for PBMC growth ranged between 0.8 and 3.1 mg/ml. Depending on the cell type used, therapeutic indices ranged between 200 and 6000. The extract inactivated HIV-1 infectivity directly when preincubated with virus before addition to human T-cell lines. Fractionation of the extract revealed antiviral activity in the polysaccharide fraction and also in a fraction depleted of polysaccharides and tannins. We conclude that aqueous A platensis extracts contain antiretroviral activity that may be of potential clinical interest.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9593452?ordinalpos=5&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
In this review information of Spirulina platensis (SP), a blue-green alga (photosynthesizing cyanobacterium) having diverse biological activity is presented. Due to high content of highly valuable proteins, indispensable amino acids, vitamins, beta-carotene and other pigments, mineral substances, indispensable fatty acids and polysaccharides, PS has been found suitable for use as bioactive additive. SP produces an immunostimulating effect by enhancing the resistance of humans, mammals, chickens and fish to infections, the capacity of influencing hemopoiesis, stimulating the production of antibodies and cytokines. Under the influence of SP macrophages, T and B cells are activated. SP sulfolipids have proved to be effective against HIV. Preparations obtained from SP biomass have also been found active against herpesvirus, cytomegalovirus, influenza virus, etc. SP extracts are capable in inhibiting cancerogenesis. SP preparations are regarded as functional products contributing to the preservation of the resident intestinal microflora, especially lactic acid bacilli and bifidobacteria, and to a decrease in the level of Candida albicans. The biological activity of SP with respect to microorganisms holds good promise for using these microalgae as components of culture media.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11548244?ordinalpos=4&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
Boy, sure sounds like good stuff to me! Any coincidence that it and chlorella are often used or recommended for a detox program?
You guys suffer from overgeneralizing. You see one quack offering his snake oil for "detoxification" and you automatically assume the whole topic is a sh:)t show.
Now let it be known that I'm standing on the middle, not over at one extreme (all in support detox whether quackery or not) or the other (all in support of pharmaceuticals and MD's). Obviously the body does have natural detox pathways, namely the liver and the kidneys. However, our modern diet also inadvertantly contains many things which wreak havoc on these pathways which our bodies have not adapted to - trans fats, PCBs, heavy metals, pesticides, a gross overabundance of sugars and simple carbs in the last hundred years, et cetera. Let's not forget plastic contaminents either, in light of the fact tat it recently went mainstream that chemicals that seep into your water from Nalgene bottles cause cancer... Therefore the argument that our bodies have evolved in complex ways over millions of years to provide with sufficient detoxification doesn't hold water. Hell, doing research on the PCB's alone that make it into our seafood is enough to scare the **** out of just about anyone.
My main argument is that yes, we have detoxification pathways, but we should also try to enhance them, firstly through healthy diet and exercise (and I don't just mean getting the 4:1 carbs to protein after exercise, I'm talking plain fruits and vegetables, most importantly green things), and secondly through added supplementation when necessary (psyllium husk if you can't get enough fiber, omega 3's, spirulina, whey, stuff like that).
Myself i dont buy into the detox by 'master cleanse' method of water, maple syrup and cyane. I do buy into the detox by eating real food, lots of fibe, and hydrating well.
Another major organ missed in the above posts that detoxs the body of harmfull chemicals and in particular, heavy metal, is the skin which sweats out the stuff. this is the whole sauna/hot yoga principle of detoxing a body.
Sorry for the sidetrack, now back to your regularly scheduled flame war :)
I'm wanting to undertake at least a week long detox program - you know, start fresh for the summer...get all the nasty stuff out of the system that's accumulated over the course of a stressful semester. I've been feeling like I could use a detox for a while, though I generally don't eat too bad. I know that the consequences of a detox will be low energy for a while, and probably some weight loss.
The only program (that's not selling some schwag product) that I know of and am entertaining: Lemon juice, grade B maple syrup + cayenne pepper. Has anyone tried this method? I ride almost every day and don't want to cut back my riding too drastically, and I also like to run and swim at least a couple times/week. Can I sustain this level of activity through such a detox, and minimize weight loss? Advice? Testimonials? Suggestions?
:wtf:
Have we devolved to the 1890's??
The medical paradigm is to treat disease, not prevent it. In a world where everyone exercises, eats healthy, gets good rest and takes supplements as needed, doctors are out of business. Therefore, it's pretty damn easy to see why detox, a preventative measure, isn't so well regarded from Big Pharma.
Yes, just repeat this simple factoid and you too would be Unique Cool Alternatively Thinking Real Personality.
You know...
Anomalous docror #1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Jenner)(Ah, of course, Vaccines Are EVIL! They were thought up by BP to benefit chelation "therapists"...)
Two (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Pasteur#Germ_theory) reasons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Koch) none of your heighbhors died of TB.
Yes, he failed... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis) But still there's a reason why you wash your hands and do many other things which won't make sense 200 years ago. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Lister%2C_1st_Baron_Lister#Antiseptics) Where is Sir Lister of detox?
Hey, but all that is pre-Big Pharma!
Ok...
Ee-e-evil FDA helps you with your diet. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrition_facts_label#United_States)
BTW, the man who taught the world to count calories wasn't some "alternatively thinking FEARLESS GURU" either Just a good (bio)chemist. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilbur_Olin_Atwater)
Shocking proof! Doctors are ABSOLUTELY NOT INTERESTED IN PREVENTIVE MEASURES. (http://www.lister-institute.org.uk/scientificmore.htm) They invented four-letter P-word for them (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-exposure_prophylaxis). Obviously if prevention was taken seriously, it would have three-letter acronym instead.
You guys suffer from overgeneralizing...
How do you think, just _who_ developed all the techniques of avoiding cycling knee pain, who promotes physical exercise and finds out safe ways of doing it? Are disease outbreaks contained by "health food" stores employees and their suppliers? Why there's no cholera vibrions in your bathroom tap water? (which would kill you much, much faster than all the "skeery unnatural chemicals in the water bottles" combined.)
Speaking of spirulina:
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Boy, sure sounds like good stuff to me! Any coincidence that it and chlorella are often used or recommended for a detox program?
So what? Fresh air is a good stuff too. Does anyone who recommends blah-blah-blah, small doses of arsenic, and fresh air for just $30/day a savior of humanity?
You guys suffer from overgeneralizing. You see one quack offering his snake oil for "detoxification" and you automatically assume the whole topic is a sh:)t show.
Not quite. It's not about this or that guy. It's about the whole concept.
1. The alleged way detox works makes little biological sense, body simply doesn't work that way unless you are really seriously ill.
2. AFAIK not a single "detox program" was rigorously tested with positive results.
And only
3. "Fool me once shame on you..." The whole field is discredited by obvious quacks.
Therefore the argument that our bodies have evolved in complex ways over millions of years to provide with sufficient detoxification doesn't hold water.
Argument Is not at all about that. All that nasty stuff (and it is nasty) is not where alleged "detox" mechanisms can help with it.
It isn't accumulated in colon, it doesn't affect blood PH, etc. It's all about that detox proponents can't produce neither hard, reproducible results, nor plausible (to non-layperson) mechanisms of how their methods work.
In other words, - I can belive that cars would be cause of civilisation downfall. That it would be because all cars would turn into Christineesque rampaging monsters , - give me a break.
My main argument is that yes, we have detoxification pathways, but we should also try to enhance them, firstly through healthy diet and exercise (and I don't just mean getting the 4:1 carbs to protein after exercise, I'm talking plain fruits and vegetables, most importantly green things), and secondly through added supplementation when necessary (psyllium husk if you can't get enough fiber, omega 3's, spirulina, whey, stuff like that).
Whatever makes you feel good, as long as it doesn't contain worse chemicals than it supposedly "cleans". (and yes, naturally organic green tomato consists of chemicals and contains genes and DNA.)
lstiffler
05-13-08, 08:17 PM
am i the only one who lost track of who was on what side of the debate?
There is a benefit to a detox program, you will cleanse your palate of all of the crap food you eat because you won't be eating it. Any other perceived benefit is crap. Just eat a ton of fiber and you will do your body some good.
i see no reason to quote your lenghty post andre nickatina , but this is meant for you.
:p
the OP mentions detox by "Lemon juice, grade B maple syrup + cayenne pepper". i wasnt speaking too or actively aggressive with AnthonyG, but this is the internet and you are free to perceive what you want.
for me the best plan was a healthy diet, riding, running, and letting the body do what it does.
to each his own.
later.
BTW, all peppers contain toxins, they naturally and organically give them their taste. Oh, you need 100-some grams of black pepper to kill a man, but still...
P.S. I'm not saying there are no problems with "mainstream medicine". Plenty. But "complimenting" it with well. exactly the same claims and techniques Big Pharma used in pre-regulation days, only more shameless, and labelling them "alternative" is one of those problems, not the solution.
humboldt'sroads
05-13-08, 11:58 PM
Dear Everyone:
Many of you seem to be missing the point of my thread. If I wanted so-called expert advice on the subject, I wouldn't be on a cycling internet forum. Hell, if I wanted expert advice on cycling, I damn well wouldn't be on a cycling internet forum. I am looking for feedback from anyone who's actually done such a cleanse (or similar). I don't care what you uncovered in a google search 5 minutes ago - I can - and have done my research, seen every conflicting fact, product, and opinion, and didn't come here to ask you to do it for me.
So please, If you have no experience with such an undertaking, please save your comments for the "What is your opinion on detox programs?" thread.
Regards,
HR
dahoss2002
05-14-08, 12:29 AM
Dear Everyone:
Many of you seem to be missing the point of my thread. If I wanted so-called expert advice on the subject, I wouldn't be on a cycling internet forum. Hell, if I wanted expert advice on cycling, I damn well wouldn't be on a cycling internet forum. I am looking for feedback from anyone who's actually done such a cleanse (or similar). I don't care what you uncovered in a google search 5 minutes ago - I can - and have done my research, seen every conflicting fact, product, and opinion, and didn't come here to ask you to do it for me.
So please, If you have no experience with such an undertaking, please save your comments for the "What is your opinion on detox programs?" thread.
Regards,
HR
I did it for 8 days but I used molasses instead of maple syrup. Not sure which cleanse u doin but I also used psyllium husks and bentonite. Using a 12 oz bottle of molasses a day made for about 1500 calories and i did 2- 25 mile "easy" rides in this 8 day period with no ill effects..
Dan The Man
05-14-08, 01:01 AM
Detox is for hippies that want to get in touch with the spirit of Gaea and eat hemp cereal.
humboldt'sroads
05-14-08, 01:28 AM
Detox is for hippies that want to get in touch with the spirit of Gaea and eat hemp cereal.
Did you not see my above post? There are far better forums to spew your worthless fukcing $h!t upon. Run along now little boy.
Actually maple syrup and cayenne and lemon juice are all part of my everyday diet.
Detox is for hippies that want to get in touch with the spirit of Gaea and eat hemp cereal.
It's spelled Gaia, and I'm a hippie that thinks detox is a waste of time and money.
What was your point?
Az
I'm not saying there are no problems with "mainstream medicine". Plenty. But "complimenting" it with well. exactly the same claims and techniques Big Pharma used in pre-regulation days, only more shameless, and labelling them "alternative" is one of those problems, not the solution
True.
It was mentioned earlier that there's nothing a quack diet is really gonna do for you. I agree 100%, but on the other hand if your quack diet happens to be advocating that you consume unprocessed foods and lots of fruit and vegetables (well, one of the detox-diet people on this said these were some of the attributes of his detox diet) ... scientific studies are coming out all the time about the antioxidants to be found in fruit and vegetables and the health risks of ingredients that do not exist in unprocessed foods. (nutra-sweet, trans fats, FD&C dyes...)
Dan The Man
05-14-08, 09:45 AM
It's spelled Gaia, and I'm a hippie that thinks detox is a waste of time and money.
It's spelled both ways.
http://www.theoi.com/Protogenos/Gaia.html
GAIA (or Gaea) was the Protogenos (primeval divinity) of earth, one of the primal elements who first emerged at the dawn of creation, along with air, sea and sky
merlinextraligh
05-14-08, 10:25 AM
Anybody that believes in "detox" is full of crap.
But that's why they need them.;)
merlinextraligh
05-14-08, 10:27 AM
Dear Everyone:
Many of you seem to be missing the point of my thread. If I wanted so-called expert advice on the subject, I wouldn't be on a cycling internet forum. Hell, if I wanted expert advice on cycling, I damn well wouldn't be on a cycling internet forum. I am looking for feedback from anyone who's actually done such a cleanse (or similar). I don't care what you uncovered in a google search 5 minutes ago - I can - and have done my research, seen every conflicting fact, product, and opinion, and didn't come here to ask you to do it for me.
So please, If you have no experience with such an undertaking, please save your comments for the "What is your opinion on detox programs?" thread.
Regards,
HR
It's a public forum. Simply because you start a discussion, doesn't mean you own it, or can control it. At beast you can help shape by how you phrase your original post.
Me thinks thou dost protest too much.
humboldt'sroads
05-14-08, 11:30 AM
It's a public forum. Simply because you start a discussion, doesn't mean you own it, or can control it. At beast you can help shape by how you phrase your original post.
Me thinks thou dost protest too much.
These things I know. I'm trying to bring the thread back to a meaningful dialogue, rather than a name-calling $h!t storm...again, there are far better forums for that. We have over 40 replies to this one, maybe a third pertain to the topic, the rest are along the lines of: "You're a retard because you have a different opinion than I do." How is this constructive in any way?
I would be curious to know why you think drinking syrup, lemon juice and peppers will detox your body?
humboldt'sroads
05-14-08, 12:07 PM
It's been to my knowledge that the lemon juice is the cleansing agent, the cayenne helps with blood flow, and the syrup/honey/molasses is for energy. But again, I'm not experienced with this program.
It's spelled both ways.
http://www.theoi.com/Protogenos/Gaia.html
How do you spell patchoulli?
Az
Dan The Man
05-14-08, 03:08 PM
How do you spell patchoulli?
I don't
what exactly are the toxins that these fools think they are cleansing their bodies of?
besides detoxing their wallets out of money.
what exactly are the toxins that these fools think they are cleansing their bodies of?
besides detoxing their wallets out of money.
I dont agree with the detox myself, but whats this money your speaking of? Sounds to me like living on water, syrup, pepper, and lemon juice is cheaper than what i spend a day on food.
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