Red Rider
05-20-08, 07:05 PM
Impressive! Congratulations on a stunning ride! :beer:
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Greg180
05-20-08, 08:08 PM
All that at 45+...Damn the man gives me a case of FTFU.
smoke
05-21-08, 06:42 AM
so it's believably unbelievable, or unbelievably believable?
correct
correct
waterrockets
05-21-08, 06:52 AM
All that at 45+...Damn the man gives me a case of FTFU.
Wait, what? Future Total Force Units?
Wait, what? Future Total Force Units?
king-tony
05-21-08, 07:44 AM
Wait, what? Future Total Force Units?
I'm with you, no idea what that is.
I'm with you, no idea what that is.
ravenmore
05-21-08, 07:45 AM
Wait, what? Future Total Force Units?
we need to start a glossary thread for all BF acronyms.
we need to start a glossary thread for all BF acronyms.
Greg180
05-21-08, 11:59 AM
All that at 45+...Damn the man gives me a case of FTFU.
DOH! :o That would be the ever popular HTFU...
But Future Total Force Units makes sense also. Under FTFU the plan would be to prepare myself for the future by maximizing the capability of equipment and balancing the experience levels of other team members on the chance we would meet in battle with him in the future. Actually I should stop there becuase I am only digging a deeper hole...
DOH! :o That would be the ever popular HTFU...
But Future Total Force Units makes sense also. Under FTFU the plan would be to prepare myself for the future by maximizing the capability of equipment and balancing the experience levels of other team members on the chance we would meet in battle with him in the future. Actually I should stop there becuase I am only digging a deeper hole...
waterrockets
05-21-08, 12:15 PM
DADH for sure
ravenmore
05-21-08, 12:18 PM
Took me forever to figure out what FTW meant...
smoke
05-21-08, 05:08 PM
DOH! :o That would be the ever popular HTFU...
But Future Total Force Units makes sense also. Under FTFU the plan would be to prepare myself for the future by maximizing the capability of equipment and balancing the experience levels of other team members on the chance we would meet in battle with him in the future. Actually I should stop there becuase I am only digging a deeper hole...
lemme know when you plan on doing battle with Rx in the future. can i have your bike?
But Future Total Force Units makes sense also. Under FTFU the plan would be to prepare myself for the future by maximizing the capability of equipment and balancing the experience levels of other team members on the chance we would meet in battle with him in the future. Actually I should stop there becuase I am only digging a deeper hole...
lemme know when you plan on doing battle with Rx in the future. can i have your bike?
waterrockets
05-21-08, 07:10 PM
That reminds me, RX, you coming to Austin for the June crits on the 21st and 22nd? I know it's a long way to come for short races, but you could certainly do a couple each day.
Scummer
05-22-08, 05:58 AM
Nice.. WR is luring a potent wheel into the race so he can latch on like a leech :D
waterrockets
05-22-08, 06:42 AM
:lol: Hey, RX knows I'll pull through!
Racer Ex
05-22-08, 08:54 AM
That reminds me, RX, you coming to Austin for the June crits on the 21st and 22nd? I know it's a long way to come for short races, but you could certainly do a couple each day.
My guess is probably not. Most likely taking a break from the bike and heading to Baja.
:lol: Hey, RX knows I'll pull through!
:thumb: :giver::giver:
My guess is probably not. Most likely taking a break from the bike and heading to Baja.
:lol: Hey, RX knows I'll pull through!
:thumb: :giver::giver:
waterrockets
05-22-08, 08:55 AM
My guess is probably not. Most likely taking a break from the bike and heading to Baja.
Deserved. Have fun.
Deserved. Have fun.
redal
05-22-08, 09:28 AM
My guess is probably not. Most likely taking a break from the bike and heading to Baja.
:thumb: :giver::giver:
Masters Nats are the first week of July.
:thumb: :giver::giver:
Masters Nats are the first week of July.
Racer Ex
05-22-08, 09:38 AM
Masters Nats are the first week of July.
I know. I'm fence sitting on that right now. Not sure if I can come back and ramp up in time for it to be worthwhile.
I know. I'm fence sitting on that right now. Not sure if I can come back and ramp up in time for it to be worthwhile.
redal
05-22-08, 10:56 AM
I know. I'm fence sitting on that right now. Not sure if I can come back and ramp up in time for it to be worthwhile.
Shorter vacation, vacation after nats? If you're sweeping all three stages of a major stage race, you could surely give Thurlow and his crew a run for their money and maybe take home a jersey or at least a medal.
Shorter vacation, vacation after nats? If you're sweeping all three stages of a major stage race, you could surely give Thurlow and his crew a run for their money and maybe take home a jersey or at least a medal.
tbrown524
05-22-08, 11:14 AM
Thurlow's a monster!! I saw him race on Sunday.
Wouldn't it be nice if they televised the Nationals!!
Wouldn't it be nice if they televised the Nationals!!
jrennie
05-22-08, 11:38 AM
RacerEx already has one of them funny colored jerseys for the dirt this would just be another one for the road.
OTB
05-22-08, 11:44 AM
Shorter vacation, vacation after nats? If you're sweeping all three stages of a major stage race, you could surely give Thurlow and his crew a run for their money and maybe take home a jersey or at least a medal.
Thurlow, Meeker, et. al., will get a run for their money from the NorCal Specialized Masters boys like Metcalfe and Mick Hellman. They just won every stage at Mt. Hood plus 1 & 2 on gc. Kentucky will be the showdown I've been hoping to see between Amgen/Giant and Specialized, and it's almost worth going to Nationals just to get a front-row seat. Other luminaries signed up in the 45+ are Doc. Andy Coggan and blogger Mark Swartzendruber, plus dark-horse Janne Hamalainen from Oklahoma.
Josh, are you going to KY? Also, do you know anything about the Elite nationals in OC, like what the course will be?
Mark
Thurlow, Meeker, et. al., will get a run for their money from the NorCal Specialized Masters boys like Metcalfe and Mick Hellman. They just won every stage at Mt. Hood plus 1 & 2 on gc. Kentucky will be the showdown I've been hoping to see between Amgen/Giant and Specialized, and it's almost worth going to Nationals just to get a front-row seat. Other luminaries signed up in the 45+ are Doc. Andy Coggan and blogger Mark Swartzendruber, plus dark-horse Janne Hamalainen from Oklahoma.
Josh, are you going to KY? Also, do you know anything about the Elite nationals in OC, like what the course will be?
Mark
redal
05-22-08, 02:29 PM
RacerEx already has one of them funny colored jerseys for the dirt this would just be another one for the road.
My bad! Maybe it's because I just want one so bad. I've been chasing one for 20 years. I've got medals and jerseys from states, and medals from nationals, but no jersey.
My bad! Maybe it's because I just want one so bad. I've been chasing one for 20 years. I've got medals and jerseys from states, and medals from nationals, but no jersey.
redal
05-22-08, 02:37 PM
Thurlow, Meeker, et. al., will get a run for their money from the NorCal Specialized Masters boys like Metcalfe and Mick Hellman. They just won every stage at Mt. Hood plus 1 & 2 on gc. Kentucky will be the showdown I've been hoping to see between Amgen/Giant and Specialized, and it's almost worth going to Nationals just to get a front-row seat. Other luminaries signed up in the 45+ are Doc. Andy Coggan and blogger Mark Swartzendruber, plus dark-horse Janne Hamalainen from Oklahoma.
Josh, are you going to KY? Also, do you know anything about the Elite nationals in OC, like what the course will be?
Mark
Mark, I'm not going to KY. The timing doesn't work too well for me. I've been to nats the last three years and since it's going to be in KY next year I figured I'd take a year off and see what people think of the courses and such. The Elites being in OC factored into my decision as well. The timing is better for me and I don't have to get on an airplane again. I haven't heard anything definite about the courses for Elites.
Josh, are you going to KY? Also, do you know anything about the Elite nationals in OC, like what the course will be?
Mark
Mark, I'm not going to KY. The timing doesn't work too well for me. I've been to nats the last three years and since it's going to be in KY next year I figured I'd take a year off and see what people think of the courses and such. The Elites being in OC factored into my decision as well. The timing is better for me and I don't have to get on an airplane again. I haven't heard anything definite about the courses for Elites.
Andrew Coggan
05-22-08, 02:57 PM
Well, here's the crit report:
Flatted two laps in. Cut through the alley
Then you should have been disqualified. To claim a free lap, the rules require that you proceed along the course to the officials stand.
EDIT: Unless it is announced that short-cutting the course is allowed - see Rule 3D5(a).
Flatted two laps in. Cut through the alley
Then you should have been disqualified. To claim a free lap, the rules require that you proceed along the course to the officials stand.
EDIT: Unless it is announced that short-cutting the course is allowed - see Rule 3D5(a).
El Diablo Rojo
05-22-08, 03:13 PM
Then you should have been disqualified. To claim a free lap, the rules require that you proceed along the course to the officials stand.
He didn't get the free lap, go back and re-read the report.
He didn't get the free lap, go back and re-read the report.
Andrew Coggan
05-22-08, 03:19 PM
He didn't get the free lap, go back and re-read the report.
Well in that case, he should have been DQ'd for short-cutting the course:
3D5. Free Lap Rule. Riders shall normally cover the distance
of the race regardless of mishaps and must make up any
distance lost on their own ability unless a free lap is granted
for mishaps.
Well in that case, he should have been DQ'd for short-cutting the course:
3D5. Free Lap Rule. Riders shall normally cover the distance
of the race regardless of mishaps and must make up any
distance lost on their own ability unless a free lap is granted
for mishaps.
Racer Ex
05-22-08, 05:22 PM
Unless it is announced that short-cutting the course is allowed - see Rule 3D5(a).
That would have been the case.
Honestly drew, you'll go faster without the rulebook in your pocket.
Thurlow, Meeker, et. al., will get a run for their money from the NorCal Specialized Masters boys like Metcalfe and Mick Hellman.
I've gotten to race a bit against both of the NorCal guys and was at the wrong end of a tag team beat down at one event. Having a teammate or two in the race will definitely be advantageous, the course sounds like it's not super selective so tactics will probably rule the day.
I have nothing but respect for those guys BTW. I've learned a lot getting whopped on by them.
That would have been the case.
Honestly drew, you'll go faster without the rulebook in your pocket.
Thurlow, Meeker, et. al., will get a run for their money from the NorCal Specialized Masters boys like Metcalfe and Mick Hellman.
I've gotten to race a bit against both of the NorCal guys and was at the wrong end of a tag team beat down at one event. Having a teammate or two in the race will definitely be advantageous, the course sounds like it's not super selective so tactics will probably rule the day.
I have nothing but respect for those guys BTW. I've learned a lot getting whopped on by them.
jrennie
05-23-08, 09:19 AM
@Andrew
Seriously, Do you just sit at the computer and google your name daily and if a post comes up you feel obligated to reply. Who pissed in your cheerios.
Seriously, Do you just sit at the computer and google your name daily and if a post comes up you feel obligated to reply. Who pissed in your cheerios.
Racer Ex
05-23-08, 03:28 PM
@Andrew
Seriously, Do you just sit at the computer and google your name daily and if a post comes up you feel obligated to reply. Who pissed in your cheerios.
I think he's on one of those crackberry things like Lance had that alerts him whenever you type in his last name. If you wanted to drive him nuts you could probably just go to any bike related website, type in his name and nothing more...
Seriously, Do you just sit at the computer and google your name daily and if a post comes up you feel obligated to reply. Who pissed in your cheerios.
I think he's on one of those crackberry things like Lance had that alerts him whenever you type in his last name. If you wanted to drive him nuts you could probably just go to any bike related website, type in his name and nothing more...
cmh
05-24-08, 10:15 PM
Maybe we can all put his name in our sig lines.
Racer Ex
05-25-08, 04:12 PM
Maybe we can all put his name in our sig lines.
:thumb:
:thumb:
ravenmore
05-26-08, 08:02 AM
Who is the Andrew Coggan character anyway? I'd google his name to see but I don't want to waste 3 seconds of my life on him that I won't get back. Sounds like a grumpy ol w@nker. :D
I was a flag football ref for a season (gawd, will never do that again). I remember they told us that the rules are like guidelines and not absolute laws. It was up to us to interpret and apply them as needed to keep the game fair.
In RacerEx's case the judge perhaps would've considered that no time or tactical advantage was gained(in fact the incident put him in arrears), and that the shortcut of the course was due to a mechanical. In fact it seems kind of similar to Lance's shorcutting the course at the Tour that year he bailed across a field to avoid a crash.
In any even I'm glad they let it stand as it lead to one of the best race reports I've ever heard. :)
I was a flag football ref for a season (gawd, will never do that again). I remember they told us that the rules are like guidelines and not absolute laws. It was up to us to interpret and apply them as needed to keep the game fair.
In RacerEx's case the judge perhaps would've considered that no time or tactical advantage was gained(in fact the incident put him in arrears), and that the shortcut of the course was due to a mechanical. In fact it seems kind of similar to Lance's shorcutting the course at the Tour that year he bailed across a field to avoid a crash.
In any even I'm glad they let it stand as it lead to one of the best race reports I've ever heard. :)
The_Cretin
05-26-08, 09:02 AM
Better question is why is he slumming here?
Andrew Coggan
06-02-08, 08:18 AM
Better question is why is he slumming here?
I'm a slumlord? :lol:
I'm a slumlord? :lol:
Racer Ex
06-02-08, 08:20 AM
I'm a slumlord? :lol:
The wiring on my SRM is bare and there's cockroaches in my bottom bracket.
The wiring on my SRM is bare and there's cockroaches in my bottom bracket.
waterrockets
06-02-08, 08:23 AM
The wiring on my SRM is bare and there's cockroaches in my bottom bracket.
Dude, just look at my bike.
Dude, just look at my bike.
Andrew Coggan
06-02-08, 08:26 AM
Who is the Andrew Coggan character anyway?
I'm the guy who stole the Texas State RR and TT titles right out from under the noses of all the local hotshots back in 1984. :D
I was a flag football ref for a season (gawd, will never do that again). I remember they told us that the rules are like guidelines and not absolute laws. It was up to us to interpret and apply them as needed to keep the game fair.
In RacerEx's case the judge perhaps would've considered that no time or tactical advantage was gained(in fact the incident put him in arrears), and that the shortcut of the course was due to a mechanical.
Since it was reportedly announced a priori, short-cutting of the course would have been allowable had RacerEx taken his free lap (which, as I understand the description of events, would have still put him one lap down). However, he didn't, which means that by short-cutting the course he in effect made up two laps. If you were the chief judge, would you have given him two free laps for one mechanical? The answer, of course, is no...
(BTW, part of the reason that I'm familiar with the free lap rule is that I once rode a couple hundred yards with a broken femoral neck to claim my free lap before going two laps down. If the rule were as open to interpretation as you think it should be, I could have just sat on the side of the road and pondered my condition instead of trying to pedal with my leg flopping around.)
I'm the guy who stole the Texas State RR and TT titles right out from under the noses of all the local hotshots back in 1984. :D
I was a flag football ref for a season (gawd, will never do that again). I remember they told us that the rules are like guidelines and not absolute laws. It was up to us to interpret and apply them as needed to keep the game fair.
In RacerEx's case the judge perhaps would've considered that no time or tactical advantage was gained(in fact the incident put him in arrears), and that the shortcut of the course was due to a mechanical.
Since it was reportedly announced a priori, short-cutting of the course would have been allowable had RacerEx taken his free lap (which, as I understand the description of events, would have still put him one lap down). However, he didn't, which means that by short-cutting the course he in effect made up two laps. If you were the chief judge, would you have given him two free laps for one mechanical? The answer, of course, is no...
(BTW, part of the reason that I'm familiar with the free lap rule is that I once rode a couple hundred yards with a broken femoral neck to claim my free lap before going two laps down. If the rule were as open to interpretation as you think it should be, I could have just sat on the side of the road and pondered my condition instead of trying to pedal with my leg flopping around.)
Racer Ex
06-02-08, 09:48 AM
I'm the guy who stole the Texas State RR and TT titles right out from under the noses of all the local hotshots back in 1984. :D
I remember it like it was yesterday. Mick and I were at Studio 54 doing lines off of Grace Jones's stomach when Rubbell came over the PA and interrupted the dance mix of "Der Kommissar" to make the announcement. Mick jerked his head up and went "No f'n way!" Then Grace came to and dumped all the blow that was left onto Debbie's lap so next thing I know I'm on my knees...anyway then Liza went up and grabbed the PA to make a toast in your honor. At least that how I think it went down.
(which, as I understand the description of events
You didn't.
In short, declarative sentences:
Announcement.
Start of race.
Lap two, first corner, a flat.
Cut through alley.
Get wheel.
Field comes around to complete lap 2
Official directs me to rejoin at back.
That is all.
I remember it like it was yesterday. Mick and I were at Studio 54 doing lines off of Grace Jones's stomach when Rubbell came over the PA and interrupted the dance mix of "Der Kommissar" to make the announcement. Mick jerked his head up and went "No f'n way!" Then Grace came to and dumped all the blow that was left onto Debbie's lap so next thing I know I'm on my knees...anyway then Liza went up and grabbed the PA to make a toast in your honor. At least that how I think it went down.
(which, as I understand the description of events
You didn't.
In short, declarative sentences:
Announcement.
Start of race.
Lap two, first corner, a flat.
Cut through alley.
Get wheel.
Field comes around to complete lap 2
Official directs me to rejoin at back.
That is all.
ravenmore
06-02-08, 10:07 AM
I'm the guy who stole the Texas State RR and TT titles right out from under the noses of all the local hotshots back in 1984. :D
Since it was reportedly announced a priori, short-cutting of the course would have been allowable had RacerEx taken his free lap (which, as I understand the description of events, would have still put him one lap down). However, he didn't, which means that by short-cutting the course he in effect made up two laps. If you were the chief judge, would you have given him two free laps for one mechanical? The answer, of course, is no...
(BTW, part of the reason that I'm familiar with the free lap rule is that I once rode a couple hundred yards with a broken femoral neck to claim my free lap before going two laps down. If the rule were as open to interpretation as you think it should be, I could have just sat on the side of the road and pondered my condition instead of trying to pedal with my leg flopping around.)
Alrighty - sorry for being snide. Shouldn't have done that without knowing a thing about you.
Now, as I understand the way things happened, Racer Ex had a mechanical, fixed it, short cut the course but still re-entered the race considerably behind everyone in it? Maybe I'm not as familiar with how bike racing is judged, but it seems to me that its reasonable not to DQ him? I mean even if I was competing against him and knew what happened I don't think that I would be upset.
Since it was reportedly announced a priori, short-cutting of the course would have been allowable had RacerEx taken his free lap (which, as I understand the description of events, would have still put him one lap down). However, he didn't, which means that by short-cutting the course he in effect made up two laps. If you were the chief judge, would you have given him two free laps for one mechanical? The answer, of course, is no...
(BTW, part of the reason that I'm familiar with the free lap rule is that I once rode a couple hundred yards with a broken femoral neck to claim my free lap before going two laps down. If the rule were as open to interpretation as you think it should be, I could have just sat on the side of the road and pondered my condition instead of trying to pedal with my leg flopping around.)
Alrighty - sorry for being snide. Shouldn't have done that without knowing a thing about you.
Now, as I understand the way things happened, Racer Ex had a mechanical, fixed it, short cut the course but still re-entered the race considerably behind everyone in it? Maybe I'm not as familiar with how bike racing is judged, but it seems to me that its reasonable not to DQ him? I mean even if I was competing against him and knew what happened I don't think that I would be upset.
MDcatV
06-02-08, 11:00 AM
Who is the Andrew Coggan character anyway? I'd google his name to see but I don't want to waste 3 seconds of my life on him that I won't get back.
I found 3 seconds and just googled this Andrew Coggan character, turns out he and some other guy named Allen Hunter wrote a book on training and racing with a powermeter. Anyone familiar with this and whether I should pick up a copy?
I found 3 seconds and just googled this Andrew Coggan character, turns out he and some other guy named Allen Hunter wrote a book on training and racing with a powermeter. Anyone familiar with this and whether I should pick up a copy?
Bullseye
06-02-08, 12:21 PM
I found 3 seconds and just googled this Andrew Coggan character, turns out he and some other guy named Allen Hunter wrote a book on training and racing with a powermeter. Anyone familiar with this and whether I should pick up a copy?
All previous comments in this thread aside, it's the most useful book on cycling training I've ever read.
-bullseye
All previous comments in this thread aside, it's the most useful book on cycling training I've ever read.
-bullseye
botto
06-02-08, 12:23 PM
All previous comments in this thread aside, it's the most useful book on cycling training I've ever read.
-bullseye
how many have you read?
-bullseye
how many have you read?
Bullseye
06-02-08, 12:31 PM
how many have you read?
Ok, I lied, I didn't even read it past the first three chapters
-bullseye
Ok, I lied, I didn't even read it past the first three chapters
-bullseye
Andrew Coggan
06-02-08, 04:30 PM
I remember it like it was yesterday. Mick and I were at Studio 54 doing lines off of Grace Jones's stomach when Rubbell came over the PA and interrupted the dance mix of "Der Kommissar" to make the announcement. Mick jerked his head up and went "No f'n way!" Then Grace came to and dumped all the blow that was left onto Debbie's lap so next thing I know I'm on my knees...anyway then Liza went up and grabbed the PA to make a toast in your honor.
Wow, I'm...speechless.
In short, declarative sentences:
Announcement.
Start of race.
Lap two, first corner, a flat.
Cut through alley.
Get wheel.
Field comes around to complete lap 2
Official directs me to rejoin at back.
That is all.
My apologies, then. You threw me when you wrote "There went the free lap."
Wow, I'm...speechless.
In short, declarative sentences:
Announcement.
Start of race.
Lap two, first corner, a flat.
Cut through alley.
Get wheel.
Field comes around to complete lap 2
Official directs me to rejoin at back.
That is all.
My apologies, then. You threw me when you wrote "There went the free lap."
Racer Ex
06-02-08, 05:00 PM
You threw me when you wrote "There went the free lap."
I couldn't have thrown you very far. I'm a wannabe climber. No upper body to speak of. ;)
Not sure if I was eligible to sit out a lap in that case or not.
I couldn't have thrown you very far. I'm a wannabe climber. No upper body to speak of. ;)
Not sure if I was eligible to sit out a lap in that case or not.
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