Classic & Vintage - Brute, unreasoning force......a cautionary tale.

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top506
05-18-08, 04:17 PM
Background:
My old man is one of those guys who believed that if tight was good, tighter was better. As a result, I could use broken bolt extractors at an age when most other kids were learning the difference between flat-blade and Phillips head screwdrivers.
Situation:
While I've become quite smitten with the Motobecane, there has been a hitch in the drivetrain on the drive side when you hammer on it or grind up hills. I figured it was a not-quite tight enough crank bolt, and snugged it down. No joy.
I then pulled the cranks and discovered that the spindle had been greased. I cleaned it up and re-installed the cranks. Worked for about 5 miles, then the hitch was back.
Pulled the cranks again, mounted them 90 degrees from where they had been, and torqued the crank bolts to 30 ft/lbs. Still no good.
In times of stress you revert to your earliest training. I dug through my parts, found a couple of crank bolt washers, installed them between the crank and the bolts, and wound on. Got to 30 ft/lbs and kept going. At 40 ft/lbs I though 'just one more little pull and.....SNAP!':eek:

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p183/top506/spindle1.jpg

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p183/top506/spindle2.jpg

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japollner
05-18-08, 04:30 PM
sucks...

cudak888
05-18-08, 04:35 PM
What are the specs on that spindle? Need a replacement?

-Kurt


McDave
05-18-08, 05:01 PM
Look at it this way, better it broke on the bench than say, climbing a hill! :D

BTW, it looks like you just pulled the threads from the nut. The spindle threads may clean up, though that still won't solve your loose crank problem.

J T CUNNINGHAM
05-18-08, 07:20 PM
"it looks like you just pulled the threads from the nut." QUOTE.


I too thought, that but it appears upon a closer examination that the

nut has "pulled off", the external axel thread; this being rather odd in that

the nut loads from it's "start". The nut was hardly engaged when this

happened by the looks of the situation - high loading upon first few threads!

Could the washer(s) have caused this? More than likely.


Regards,
J T

luker
05-18-08, 07:23 PM
of course, the very picture of the reason why crank bolts are better than crank nuts.

McDave
05-18-08, 08:10 PM
"it looks like you just pulled the threads from the nut." QUOTE.


I too thought, that but it appears upon a closer examination that the

nut has "pulled off", the external axel thread; this being rather odd in that

the nut loads from it's "start". The nut was hardly engaged when this

happened by the looks of the situation - high loading upon first few threads!

Could the washer(s) have caused this? More than likely.


Regards,
J T

Yeah you're probably right, the diameter does look a bit smaller on that end now. Too much torque on too few threads.

top506
05-19-08, 06:24 PM
Kurt. thanks for the offer.
Now the good news-the spindle is a 3 S-common as dirt. The first three spindles I pulled out of the bag matched. And while changing out the spindle I found that the fixed cup was only finger tight. With the new spindle and the BB cups tight the problem seems to be solved.
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