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Racer Ex
05-19-08, 04:03 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220237015614


BigSean
05-19-08, 04:09 PM
thats too funny. Are you planning to be here then?

Racer Ex
05-19-08, 04:10 PM
thats too funny. Are you planning to be here then?

If I can tie up some loose ends.


UT_Dude
05-19-08, 04:16 PM
That's hilarious :)

BigSean
05-19-08, 04:27 PM
If I can tie up some loose ends.

Ill be doing the crit, the 5's and a masters race. My first 2 race day.

Racer Ex
05-19-08, 04:36 PM
The short course (Hammy) is still pretty challenging and will create some selections. Absolutely come buy and say "hi"

BigSean
05-19-08, 04:39 PM
The short course (Hammy) is still pretty challenging and will create some selections. Absolutely come buy and say "hi"

I dont think Ill be at the road race. Which race are ya gonna do? Pro 1/2 or the masters?

gsteinb
05-19-08, 04:54 PM
I wonder if he'd work the Nyack ride for Pcad?

patentcad
05-19-08, 04:58 PM
I wonder if he'd work the Nyack ride for Pcad?

I'm thinking we turn that little rise prior to Scratchup into the Feed Zone Hill.

Racer Ex
05-19-08, 09:45 PM
I dont think Ill be at the road race. Which race are ya gonna do? Pro 1/2 or the masters?

Masters. Those kids hurt my legs.

joecool2727
05-19-08, 10:11 PM
I'll be at Hamilton.

Pizza Man
05-19-08, 10:35 PM
Oooh, I'll bid, I'll bid!!

My race plan was to attack at mile 2 and try and stay away for the next 62 miles.

joecool2727
05-19-08, 11:23 PM
is the climb right from the start? flyer says 4500' over 20 miles, which is avg. 4%, which IS a lot for 20 miles, but does anyone know specifically how the climb is, how are the steep parts?

ElJamoquio
05-20-08, 04:05 AM
Oooh, I'll bid, I'll bid!!

My race plan was to attack at mile 2 and try and stay away for the next 62 miles.

Why wait?

ElJamoquio
05-20-08, 04:07 AM
is the climb right from the start? flyer says 4500' over 20 miles, which is avg. 4%, which IS a lot for 20 miles, but does anyone know specifically how the climb is, how are the steep parts?

Hamilton isn't that steep, I'd guess 5%, except for the *very* end (last 100 yards or so might be 9%). I don't know if that's being used or not.

botto
05-20-08, 04:52 AM
Umm... maybe I'm being a tad skeptical, but I'm pretty sure that's a scam, unless they've somehow brought Charly Gaul back from the dead? :)

Pizza Man
05-20-08, 09:35 AM
is the climb right from the start? flyer says 4500' over 20 miles, which is avg. 4%, which IS a lot for 20 miles, but does anyone know specifically how the climb is, how are the steep parts?

I rode the Mt. Hamilton climb and descent to Isabel Creek on Saturday (started at noon after the beginner track session, so it was nice & hot).


The race starts at the bottom of the climb and its about 17 miles from the start to the summit (if you’re looking at the Hwy 130 DOT mileage marking sign posts the KOM summit is at about mile 22.5, but the race start is near the 5.5 mile mark) . You start of with about a 6 mile climb that is steeper in the first few miles (maybe 5-6%), then levels off a bit then descends for a little over a mile, then climbs for about 2.5 more miles, descends about half a mile with a little roller, then makes a 90 degree left turn for the final 7 mile climb to the summit. Maybe it was just me, but it seemed like the final mile (marker 21.00 to 22.00) was the steepest (maybe 7-8%). After the KOM, you’re not actually at the top and the road is a rolling climb for the better part of the next mile.


The descent from the Mt. Hamilton summit to Isabel creek is about 5 miles (there are large numbered mile markers on the road every mile on the descent and continuing toward Livermore). It took me just about 10 minutes to descend on Saturday, and I was taking it conservatively. There are several switchbacks on the descent, but the pavement was pretty good. Somewhere between 2 and 3 miles down there is some bad pavement (raised like a little ramp) on the right hand side of the lane just before a right hand switchback. There is blue spray paint on the road marking it as a warning. There is plenty of room to go to the left of this bump. Be sure not to hit this at speed as you may get some air and find it difficult to make the turn. There is only 1 cattle grate on the main descent and it is about 3.5 miles down, located at the apex of a left hand switchback (so you basically just stop turning and go straight over the cattle grate, then continue turning).


At Isabel creek it flattens out, then you cross a little bridge followed by a steep little climb that’s maybe ½ a mile. I turned around here, so I don’t remember much else about the race except that there’re a couple good little climbs at around mile 35 & 37 that can split up a breakaway pack, then it’s mostly downhill from there.

BigSean
05-20-08, 09:41 AM
is the climb right from the start? flyer says 4500' over 20 miles, which is avg. 4%, which IS a lot for 20 miles, but does anyone know specifically how the climb is, how are the steep parts?

Its closer to an avg of 5%, and it is about 19 miles, unless the race starts down the hill from Mt Hamilton Rd. It is a long climb, but has 2 decents, not very long, but they are fairly fast. As you get to the last 5 miles the climb gets a bit tougher. Sometimes a bit breeezy, but nothing like So Cal. There will be some pro's and masters with times around 1 hour for the climb. The decent down the back side can be kinda sketchy. I believe cat 4's and 5's start on the back side, missing the main climb. Its only a tough climb because of the length, if ya over due it in the beginning you pay on the last 5 miles.

ElJamoquio
05-20-08, 09:46 AM
One hour for a climb of 19 miles?

BigSean
05-20-08, 10:07 AM
One hour for a climb of 19 miles?

Here are the results from a local fun race this winter.
http://lowkeyhillclimbs.com/2007/week9/results.html

Now that riders are more in race shape, and the cat 1's and 2's will be there I expect it to be a bit faster. They only need about 1mph faster then this winner. Im sure Pizza Man and Racer Ex can shed some light on that as they will both be close to that time. Pizza Man will have the support of his team too boot.

joecool2727
05-20-08, 10:22 AM
Thanks for the detailed descriptions.

Snuffleupagus
05-20-08, 01:11 PM
Umm... maybe I'm being a tad skeptical, but I'm pretty sure that's a scam, unless they've somehow brought Charly Gaul back from the dead? :)

Psst...Racer_Ex is the seller :D

OTB
05-20-08, 06:42 PM
There will be some pro's and masters with times around 1 hour for the climb.

Is there an unofficial record climbing Mt. Hamilton? I'm sure some guys can do an hour, but I can tell you that last year's pro/1/2 front group (inc. Scott Nydam, BJM, Wolberg) went over the top in a bit over 1:05. I was in that group until getting popped in the final 500 m when KOM surges began in earnest. The pace on the first part of the climb was a high tempo but not all out, the middle section was hard and half the field got dropped. That last part whittled the front group down to about 10. Going under an hour would be brutally fast! (BTW, I made it back to that front group in the valley, but got popped again when the attacks went. I ended up 13th, but then was DQ'ed for a brief draft behind a follow vehicle :cry:

With domestique services from racer_ex currently going for a penny, I cannot resist signing up for the Masters race this year! You need to extend the auction so that it's active through Sunday, that way we can all be checking our Blackberries and bidding as we race!! Suppose you get in a break with two other guys... they'll have a real-time bidding war to win your help :lol:

BigSean
05-20-08, 07:51 PM
Is there an unofficial record climbing Mt. Hamilton? I'm sure some guys can do an hour, but I can tell you that last year's pro/1/2 front group (inc. Scott Nydam, BJM, Wolberg) went over the top in a bit over 1:05. I was in that group until getting popped in the final 500 m when KOM surges began in earnest. The pace on the first part of the climb was a high tempo but not all out, the middle section was hard and half the field got dropped. That last part whittled the front group down to about 10. Going under an hour would be brutally fast! (BTW, I made it back to that front group in the valley, but got popped again when the attacks went. I ended up 13th, but then was DQ'ed for a brief draft behind a follow vehicle :cry:

With domestique services from racer_ex currently going for a penny, I cannot resist signing up for the Masters race this year! You need to extend the auction so that it's active through Sunday, that way we can all be checking our Blackberries and bidding as we race!! Suppose you get in a break with two other guys... they'll have a real-time bidding war to win your help :lol:

Thats around an hour as far as Im concerned. Much closer then my 1:40. Im not aware of any unofficial records, but my parents lived on Mt Hamilton and my dad tells me some of the hill climbs have been done in under an hour. I think there used to be a race to the top.

joecool2727
05-25-08, 08:01 PM
Cat 3's:

Felt ok today. First few miles felt boxed in because the lane was so small and people were moving so slow. Finally got to the front and took off, passed the two guys that were already off the front and kept going. Was by myself for the whole climb with time gaps ranging from 1 minute down to only 20 seconds near the top.
I got to the top first and King of the Mountain which was pretty important to me because i like climbing, and the $60 wasnt bad either. Hardest climb of my life.

After the climb there was still 40 miles to go so i let the lead group catch me which was about only 10 riders. Stayed with them but unfortunately got a semi flat front tire in the last 5 miles and so I rode very conservately for fear of rolling my tire. 11th place. Still very pleased just to have been able to finish the race despite the flat and getting the King of the Mountain.

OTB
05-25-08, 08:47 PM
I went for the 45+ race since the famous Racer Ex was signed up and darned if he didn't show up! Oh well, maybe some other time. You missed a fun one Kurt.

Racer Ex
05-25-08, 08:58 PM
I went for the 45+ race since the famous Racer Ex was signed up and darned if he didn't show up! Oh well, maybe some other time. You missed a fun one Kurt.

I was bummed, but scheduling turned into a nightmare. Tell the tale, who won?

bayareawheeler
05-25-08, 09:24 PM
just got a team email that BBC took 1st and 2nd in the 3's!!!


!!!GO BBC!!! (im so not worthy, sheesh)

OTB
05-25-08, 09:44 PM
I was bummed, but scheduling turned into a nightmare. Tell the tale, who won?

Paul Mach won the P/1/2 (no word on whether or not he's shaved his legs yet!) after also winning the KOM. Wholberg 2nd. Mattis 3rd.

Billy Innes won the 35+, Chris D'Alusion 2nd, Dan Bryant 3rd, PizzaMan 4th, Metcalfe 5th. Surprise, surprise... Pizza won the KOM.

I won the 45+ & KOM, James Allen 2nd, Rick Martyn 3rd, Kevin Susco 4th, Jon Ornstil 5th, Mark Caldwell 6th.

That's all I know. The Women hadn't finished yet by the time we left.

Battery running out on my laptop and my in-laws have those old fashioned electrical outlets without the ground plug so no charge and no time for a race report. Ciao!

Racer Ex
05-25-08, 09:54 PM
I won the 45+ & KOM,

Respect!

esammuli
05-25-08, 10:44 PM
Paul Mach won the P/1/2 (no word on whether or not he's shaved his legs yet!) after also winning the KOM. Wholberg 2nd. Mattis 3rd.

Billy Innes won the 35+, Chris D'Alusion 2nd, Dan Bryant 3rd, PizzaMan 4th, Metcalfe 5th. Surprise, surprise... Pizza won the KOM.

I won the 45+ & KOM, James Allen 2nd, Rick Martyn 3rd, Kevin Susco 4th, Jon Ornstil 5th, Mark Caldwell 6th.

That's all I know. The Women hadn't finished yet by the time we left.

Battery running out on my laptop and my in-laws have those old fashioned electrical outlets without the ground plug so no charge and no time for a race report. Ciao!

I have visual confirmation that yes... Paul has shaved his legs....

umd
05-25-08, 11:09 PM
Paul Mach won the P/1/2 (no word on whether or not he's shaved his legs yet!) after also winning the KOM. Wholberg 2nd. Mattis 3rd.

Billy Innes won the 35+, Chris D'Alusion 2nd, Dan Bryant 3rd, PizzaMan 4th, Metcalfe 5th. Surprise, surprise... Pizza won the KOM.

I won the 45+ & KOM, James Allen 2nd, Rick Martyn 3rd, Kevin Susco 4th, Jon Ornstil 5th, Mark Caldwell 6th.

That's all I know. The Women hadn't finished yet by the time we left.

Battery running out on my laptop and my in-laws have those old fashioned electrical outlets without the ground plug so no charge and no time for a race report. Ciao!

Congrats! I "won" the KOM on the county ride, but only because Kim stuck with Jane :p

redal
05-26-08, 02:02 AM
Respect!

OTB is no joke and could have held his own in the 1-2 field.

Pizza Man
05-26-08, 12:14 PM
Paul Mach won the P/1/2 (no word on whether or not he's shaved his legs yet!) after also winning the KOM. Wholberg 2nd. Mattis 3rd.

Billy Innes won the 35+, Chris D'Alusion 2nd, Dan Bryant 3rd, PizzaMan 4th, Metcalfe 5th. Surprise, surprise... Pizza won the KOM.

I won the 45+ & KOM, James Allen 2nd, Rick Martyn 3rd, Kevin Susco 4th, Jon Ornstil 5th, Mark Caldwell 6th.

That's all I know. The Women hadn't finished yet by the time we left.

Battery running out on my laptop and my in-laws have those old fashioned electrical outlets without the ground plug so no charge and no time for a race report. Ciao!

OTB, congrats!

Over the last 20 miles I was in an all Tarmac breakaway.:D

Racer Ex
05-26-08, 05:19 PM
OTB, congrats!

Over the last 20 miles I was in an all Tarmac breakaway.:D

I was in an all Brokerage Backed Mountain break last year.

Awesome ride for both of you. That race is pure evil, and everyone really wants to win it. We should all do Everest, I'll provide the domestique services.

Pizza Man
05-26-08, 07:29 PM
I was in an all Brokerage Backed Mountain break last year.

Awesome ride for both of you. That race is pure evil, and everyone really wants to win it. We should all do Everest, I'll provide the domestique services.

My goal for this season is to win a jersey. I've never won a jersey of any kind. I've been 2nd and 3rd at the state championships, 2nd at Sea Otter (3 times), 2nd in GC at Cascade last year, etc. I've never even had a leader's jersey for 1 day.

So I told a friend of mine who is doing Everest that I would do it if I don't win a jersey by then and try to win one there in the 35+.

Racer Ex
05-27-08, 07:35 AM
My goal for this season is to win a jersey. I've never won a jersey of any kind. I've been 2nd and 3rd at the state championships, 2nd at Sea Otter (3 times), 2nd in GC at Cascade last year, etc. I've never even had a leader's jersey for 1 day.

So I told a friend of mine who is doing Everest that I would do it if I don't win a jersey by then and try to win one there in the 35+.

I know Blount and some of the other guys had teammates helping to drill it on the flatter sections leading up to the climbs...

umd
05-27-08, 07:59 AM
I know Blount and some of the other guys had teammates helping to drill it on the flatter sections leading up to the climbs...

Not really so much. Here he is coming back from the second climb of day 1 last year
http://www.photoscene.com/kimandsteve/images/1364.jpg

And here is OTB with a teammate later
http://www.photoscene.com/kimandsteve/images/1368.jpg
http://www.photoscene.com/kimandsteve/images/1369.jpg

Day 2: Blount solo early on
http://www.photoscene.com/kimandsteve/images/1411.jpg

And a familiar cast of characters chasing behind
http://www.photoscene.com/kimandsteve/images/1416.jpg

Edit: more pictures from day 1 (http://www.photoscene.com/kimandsteve/209/everest-challenge-day-1-pictures) and day 2 (http://www.photoscene.com/kimandsteve/210/everest-challenge-day-2-pictures)

esammuli
05-27-08, 08:07 AM
^^^ Hey, there's my teammate ^^^

Go Marcus! lol

Racer Ex
05-27-08, 10:30 AM
Not really so much. Here he is coming back from the second climb of day 1 last year

By that point they're pretty much done ;)

umd
05-27-08, 10:35 AM
By that point they're pretty much done ;)

He didn't really have any teammates in that race, and the only extended flat section was before the first climb and after the third one. Edit: And here is Walker solo off the front on the first day:

http://www.photoscene.com/kimandsteve/images/1362.jpg

umd
05-27-08, 10:39 AM
^^^ Hey, there's my teammate ^^^

Go Marcus! lol

OTB putting the hurt on your teammate :p

http://www.photoscene.com/kimandsteve/images/1375.jpg

Racer Ex
05-27-08, 10:41 AM
He didn't really have any teammates in that race, and the only extended flat section was before the first climb and after the third one.

Well heck, I could be wrong about it being Blount or the year in question. I'd heard that from my buddy who won the 3's a couple of years ago who said he jumped on one team's train on the flats.

Anyway, I'm there for Pizza.

OC Roadie
05-27-08, 11:05 AM
Well heck, I could be wrong about it being Blount or the year in question. I'd heard that from my buddy who won the 3's a couple of years ago who said he jumped on one team's train on the flats.

Anyway, I'm there for Pizza.

That was 2 or 3 years ago. Blount raced masters and Walker was racing P/1/2. Blount wanted to catch and beat Walker, even though he started ~15 minutes later. Blount had teammates drill it through the neutral roll out to make up time.

If all you guys race 35+ this year, I'll have to scrap my plans and go back to racing the 4's or 3's at EC ;)

OTB
05-27-08, 08:31 PM
OTB, congrats!

Over the last 20 miles I was in an all Tarmac breakaway.:D

Hah! Yep, Tarmacs are everywhere! Congrats on the 35+ KOM. Judging from various sets of pictures, you must have escaped the Red Guard to win that, but then they mowed you down. Is that correct? I posted a race report at: http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com mostly about the 45+ but I would love to add any tidbits from the 35+ race. Did you and D'Alusio try to break free??

BTW, regarding Blount and the Everest Challenge... the reports are correct: he had his teammates drill it through the neutral section to catch the noodling p/1/2 field. C-Walk was none too happy about that silly behavior.

Pizza Man
05-27-08, 10:16 PM
Hah! Yep, Tarmacs are everywhere! Congrats on the 35+ KOM. Judging from various sets of pictures, you must have escaped the Red Guard to win that, but then they mowed you down. Is that correct? I posted a race report at: http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com mostly about the 45+ but I would love to add any tidbits from the 35+ race. Did you and D'Alusio try to break free??

BTW, regarding Blount and the Everest Challenge... the reports are correct: he had his teammates drill it through the neutral section to catch the noodling p/1/2 field. C-Walk was none too happy about that silly behavior.

I broke free solo about 5 miles from the top and went over about 40 seconds ahead of the lead pack. It was nice to take the descent at a comfortable pace. I was planning on getting caught after the descent anyway, so I just soft pedaled until I was caught just after the feed zone. I was real glad it was only 5 guys and one of them was a teammate, and only 2 were from Team Specialized, so we were not outnumbered. I was real surprised that Rob Anderson was not with them, but heard that he got dropped on the descent after having problems with his $5,000 Lew wheels. My $500 Williams 19's may be a bit heavier, but I felt real confident descending on them.

Anyway the 6 of us in the break worked together until we dropped Clark Foy on the 2nd climb. Of the 5 of us left, Metcalfe and I both knew we had a teammate who was a better sprinter, so we each attacked and attacked and attacked. It came down to a 5 man sprint. Metcalfe led it out and his man Innes beat D'Alusio to the line. Here's Dan Bryant's version:
http://specializedsierranevadaracing.blogspot.com/


Racer Ex - I think I'll make EC a priority this year.

Racer Ex
05-27-08, 10:22 PM
I was real surprised that Rob Anderson was not with them, but heard that he got dropped on the descent after having problems with his $5,000 Lew wheels. My $500 Williams 19's may be a bit heavier, but I felt real confident descending on them.

Racer Ex - I think I'll make EC a priority this year.

The Lews have had issues. My $1500 AC/Sapim/Reynolds are 20 grams heavier but have been flawless.

You'd kill EC. I really think you'd have a shot at the overall. Me, not even close.