Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) - Hide the Doritos!

Another example of the nanny-corporation approach to weight loss:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_17/b4081094075494.htm?chan=rss_topEmailedStories_ssi_5

The article was worth reading if only so I learned of this bizarre menu item served at Google:

"Or, in the cafeteria, the Luther Burger, a bacon-cheese number with Krispy
Kreme doughnuts as the bun."

YUCK!

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Another example of the nanny-corporation approach to weight loss:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_17/b4081094075494.htm?chan=rss_topEmailedStories_ssi_5

The article was worth reading if only so I learned of this bizarre menu item served at Google:

"Or, in the cafeteria, the Luther Burger, a bacon-cheese number with Krispy
Kreme doughnuts as the bun."

YUCK!

Who ever came up with that should be:

:banned:

Although changing what they have in the cafeteria, just means people will bring junk from home, or will go out at lunch and get it elsewhere. Sometimes this kind of thing is simply:

:deadhorse:

Of course, part of the problem is that they still have the massive car parking lot, and as long as that is there, then things will not change much....

i'm waiting for the tax authorities to introduce a tax on waist size

They are taxing everything else to the hilt. I bet some civil servant has already suggested it. Call it a green tax or a health tax and who can complain?

i'm waiting for the tax authorities to introduce a tax on waist size

They are taxing everything else to the hilt. I bet some civil servant has already suggested it. Call it a green tax or a health tax and who can complain?

I believe there was a novel written on that theme a decade or two ago. Some country - Australia, if I recall correctly - makes obesity a crime. I've never read it, nor do I recall the name of the book or the author. I'd love to read it.

Here's an idea for any HR drone who falls for this garbage:

I challenge you to a duel. Pursuit bikes at dawn!
You can have my donuts when you can catch me and take them.

Your luck, this will be the representative of HR that meets you.....

http://www.cyclinghalloffame.com/riders/pics/Armstrong_L5.jpg


Here's an idea for any HR drone who falls for this garbage:

I challenge you to a duel. Pursuit bikes at dawn!
You can have my donuts when you can catch me and take them.

Your luck, this will be the representative of HR that meets you.....

http://www.cyclinghalloffame.com/riders/pics/Armstrong_L5.jpg

He can't be from HR - no helmet!

"Or, in the cafeteria, the Luther Burger, a bacon-cheese number with Krispy
Kreme doughnuts as the bun."

YUCK!

+1 :injured:

i'm waiting for the tax authorities to introduce a tax on waist size

They are taxing everything else to the hilt. I bet some civil servant has already suggested it. Call it a green tax or a health tax and who can complain?

It's closer than you think. They wont actually tax a person for being overweight, instead that will tax the crap out of foods and beverages they determine lead to obesity. It will be nothing more than a money grab that will pass when the "bu..bu..bu..but its for the children" argument comes up. The money will go into the general coffer never to go towards any educational or recreational purposes that encourage exercise.

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=33770

http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/07/05/16/norway_seriously_considers_an_obesity_tax_should_the_us_impose_one_too_tell_us_what_you_think.htm

First they came for the smokers
Then they came for the trans fat
Now they're coming for my tasty cakes.

"Or, in the cafeteria, the Luther Burger, a bacon-cheese number with Krispy
Kreme doughnuts as the bun."

Look out McGriddle it's the dough nut ham hamburger

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I wish more companies would ditch the junk - including my own! Every time I go to an office for a meeting, it's always the same - doughnuts. More Doughnuts. And even more doughnuts. Today I was pleasantly surprised at one of them, they had a fruit tray! (And doughnuts..)

Anyway, I'm formulating a plan in my head for a wellness program here, I just need to get everyone else on board.

My company is the same way. Sweet rolls for everything. They finally started giving the option of bagels instead of sweet rolls. I opt for the bagel plain.

It's closer than you think. They wont actually tax a person for being overweight, instead that will tax the crap out of foods and beverages they determine lead to obesity. It will be nothing more than a money grab that will pass when the "bu..bu..bu..but its for the children" argument comes up. The money will go into the general coffer never to go towards any educational or recreational purposes that encourage exercise.

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=33770

http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/07/05/16/norway_seriously_considers_an_obesity_tax_should_the_us_impose_one_too_tell_us_what_you_think.htm

First they came for the smokers
Then they came for the trans fat
Now they're coming for my tasty cakes.

So? It isn't the first luxury tax, and it won't be the last. Besides, TransFats are POISON. Even the FDA (that LOVES to approve CRAP for us to eat) says that there is no such thing as a safe level. Even mercury has a safe level defined by the FDA.

I, for one, welcome our new corporate diet overlords.


Seriously. Healthcare costs at my company are going nuts, and there's quite a few folks who could make a lifestyle change to counteract that.

It's closer than you think. They wont actually tax a person for being overweight, instead that will tax the crap out of foods and beverages they determine lead to obesity. It will be nothing more than a money grab that will pass when the "bu..bu..bu..but its for the children" argument comes up. The money will go into the general coffer never to go towards any educational or recreational purposes that encourage exercise.

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=33770

http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/07/05/16/norway_seriously_considers_an_obesity_tax_should_the_us_impose_one_too_tell_us_what_you_think.htm

First they came for the smokers
Then they came for the trans fat
Now they're coming for my tasty cakes.

You realize Philadelphia, the home of the Tastykake, has banned the use of trans-fats?

I, for one, welcome our new corporate diet overlords.


Seriously. Healthcare costs at my company are going nuts, and there's quite a few folks who could make a lifestyle change to counteract that.

+1000

Everyone tries to find excuses for the rise in health costs, and they only need to look at their waistline. I personally wouldn't mind saving the 3/4's of a new Long Haul Trucker I pay monthly in healthcare premiums for my family...

Here's an idea for any HR drone who falls for this garbage:

I challenge you to a duel. Pursuit bikes at dawn!
You can have my donuts when you can catch me and take them.

Hey don't be calling me no drone or us HR folks slouches :p My former supervisor used to ride cat 1 or cat 2 on a team and was a pretty serious sprinter. Oddly five out of the six cyclists I have met in my company are in HR mindlessly enforcing stupidity just like me and ride in fast groups. Go HR! :crash: I've only been in HR 13 years but most policies and changes just sound good, mostly to upper management who isnt' affected by them, and make no sense or have no value at all but it looks good on peoples end of year reviews and fills objectives.

My work made a big huge change for food at my work though. They introduced Custom Food Group to the vending machine. I can now if I chose get Suger Free Vanilla Wafers, Sweet and Salty granola bars, Sun Chips or Animal Crackers! viva le revolution :D Unfortunately I don't carry cash so I can't use the vending machine which is intentional so I can't grab a snack.

Meh. Trying to claim that any food is "bad for you" leads to dietary non-compliance.

There's a recipe floating around for Krispy Kreme bread pudding.

So? It isn't the first luxury tax, and it won't be the last. Besides, TransFats are POISON. Even the FDA (that LOVES to approve CRAP for us to eat) says that there is no such thing as a safe level. Even mercury has a safe level defined by the FDA.


Yarly, thanks for the update. If you read what I wrote I'm not arguing for the use of transfats. Corn Syrup has done far more damage to our population than transfats.

You realize Philadelphia, the home of the Tastykake, has banned the use of trans-fats?

Along with several other cities including NYC, Chicago, Boston, and Baltimore in 09 to name a few.

Being that your from the Philly area I am surprised you didn't flog me for misspelling tastykake :)

Along with several other cities including NYC, Chicago, Boston, and Baltimore in 09 to name a few.

Being that your from the Philly area I am surprised you didn't flog me for misspelling tastykake :)

You suffer enough with that Hostess garbage out there in Harrisburg.

He can't be from HR - no helmet!

Uhhhhh, no one wears helmets on Alpe d'Huez.

Check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_Burger

Uhhhhh, no one wears helmets on Alpe d'Huez.

Sounds like an HR violation to me. Send out an email.....

The article was worth reading if only so I learned of this bizarre menu item served at Google:

"Or, in the cafeteria, the Luther Burger, a bacon-cheese number with Krispy
Kreme doughnuts as the bun."
I work in IT and at the major campuses like my company for instance ....on compus you can...
Swim EAT post office dry cleaning , games, library, all of this you can do at any time day or night. the reason for this is you want access to your engineer 24 7 that way if they are happy never to leave the campus they will work more.

Now my company has a work from home policy with new high speed communication and no realestatre this is becoming the standard in IT.

Google still has the older mind set and i have heard horror stories in 3rd party about how google is a great compnay to work for unless you have kids.

Remember that the people in the IT industry wereh not the atletics types normally.. we would code and hack 36 hours stright on cola and pizzia. no sleep. I was luckey in that my first career out of my high school hacking days was in the military where physical fitness was a priority. the chose a differnt path.

Yarly, thanks for the update. If you read what I wrote I'm not arguing for the use of transfats. Corn Syrup has done far more damage to our population than transfats.

Is it the corn syrup itself or simply the excessive caloric intake?

Corn Syrup is a definite factor, John. It stimulates a delayed, but enhanced insulin production reaction, which causes a spike, which makes you hungry because your body needs sugars to offset the low blood sugar/excessive insulin level, which stimulates another round on insulin, ad infinitum. Corn Syrup is one of the major contributors to the development of Type II Diabetes.

Good question though, and excessive caloric intake is also a factor, whether it be from an emotional eating issue or other reasons.


Is it the corn syrup itself or simply the excessive caloric intake?

Hey don't be calling me no drone or us HR folks slouches :p

OK, so I begrudgingly rescind my drone comment... But I didn't call anyone a slouch. I put forth a simple challenge: Take my donuts if you can.

Sounds like I might end up on the losing end of my velodrome donut challenge if you're the one on chase.

Is it the corn syrup itself or simply the excessive caloric intake?

High fructose corn syrup is...bad. Google will yield plenty of reading material, but to summarize there is a strong link between high consumption of HFCS and diabetus. I believe it has to do mainly with the glycemic index, heres some interesting reading material on it (http://www.purezing.com/living/toxins/living_toxins_sugarsir.html).

I guess my biggest beef with corn syrup is that it is heavily subsidized in the US. If it went for a fair market value without subsidization regular sugar would be more economical (and better for you). If you want, go to an authentic Mexican restaurant and buy one of the 5 dollar bottles of coke which are imported from Mexico. Notice there is no corn syrup, just sugar. Drink the coke and compare it to a domestic can of coke. No comparison. Also I've noticed imported candy to taste better, I assume it's because there is no corn syrup in it. Domestic candy all has a bland sweetness to it if you ask me (even though no one did).

If you want, go to an authentic Mexican restaurant and buy one of the 5 dollar bottles of coke which are imported from Mexico. Notice there is no corn syrup, just sugar. Drink the coke and compare it to a domestic can of coke. No comparison. Also I've noticed imported candy to taste better, I assume it's because there is no corn syrup in it. Domestic candy all has a bland sweetness to it if you ask me (even though no one did).

Jones Soda has stopped using HFCS.

If you live close enough, take a trip to Canada for your soda. My fiancee used to take a monthly business trip to Surrey, BC with her previous company. She'd buy a couple cases of Coke when she was up there. No HFCS.
Candy (especially if you're talking about chocolate) tastes better from European manufacturers because of strict regulations on the industry determining what you can and cannot call "chocolate." In the USA, the definition of cocoa solids, cacao, etc. and how these percentages are determined are different than European manufacturers. Heck, there was even a proposition (since defeated) to allow manufacturers to replace cocoa butter with other vegetable fats (effectively removing the last of the natural cocoa bean products from mass produced US chocolate), and still label their product as "chocolate".

"Or, in the cafeteria, the Luther Burger, a bacon-cheese number with Krispy Kreme doughnuts as the bun."

I wonder if they use hollandaise sauce instead of (or in addition to) mayo...

Man, that sounds good :p Add in a stuffing of the pattie with Bleau Cheese........
I wonder if they use hollandaise sauce instead of (or in addition to) mayo...

I wonder if they use hollandaise sauce instead of (or in addition to) mayo...

I think we need to have a post 7-Hills BBQ at my place. :)

Sounds like I might end up on the losing end of my velodrome donut challenge if you're the one on chase.
Naw you are safe from me if they are krispy kreme and I am the slow one in HR.
Although I did win my first TT in the recumbent category, only 3 recumbents but still, so if they are from dunkin donuts you might be in trouble.
Stop all this donut and food talk I'm getting hungry and :twitchy::twitchy::twitchy:

Jones Soda has stopped using HFCS.

Ah I forgot about Jones, I haven't had one of their soda's in years.

Green Apple was my favorite Jones flavor, didn't they also make a thanksgiving dinner flavor?

Ah I forgot about Jones, I haven't had one of their soda's in years.

Green Apple was my favorite Jones flavor, didn't they also make a thanksgiving dinner flavor?

Yeah, it's Jones that makes the collectable holiday flavours. My fiancee has a whole bunch of them. I think the worst part is that they're regional with the flavours they include, so the midwest version has Turkey and Gravy soda, while the PNW version has Grilled Salmon flavour. We're not adventurous enough to buy duplicates and open one up for taste testing...

This thread is making me hungry

High fructose corn syrup is...bad. Google will yield plenty of reading material, but to summarize there is a strong link between high consumption of HFCS and diabetus. I believe it has to do mainly with the glycemic index, heres some interesting reading material on it (http://www.purezing.com/living/toxins/living_toxins_sugarsir.html).

I guess my biggest beef with corn syrup is that it is heavily subsidized in the US. If it went for a fair market value without subsidization regular sugar would be more economical (and better for you). If you want, go to an authentic Mexican restaurant and buy one of the 5 dollar bottles of coke which are imported from Mexico. Notice there is no corn syrup, just sugar. Drink the coke and compare it to a domestic can of coke. No comparison. Also I've noticed imported candy to taste better, I assume it's because there is no corn syrup in it. Domestic candy all has a bland sweetness to it if you ask me (even though no one did).

thanks for the link but are there more substantial sources like medical journals as opposed to new age style sites?

I read the ingredients on a pakage of brats over the weekend.
You guessed it, corn syrup was in there.

All this talk about ingredients and corn syrup made me think of the various ways I had tried to lose weight in the past and failed compared to the way I've been doing it for a couple of years now.

I used to read labels and count calories and cut things out of my diet but now I take a much simpler approach. When I do the weekly grocery shop I simply don't buy anything that isn't raw produce. This way no thinking is required, I don't have to calculate calories or analyse what is in the food, or worry about what I can eat at each meal depending on what I had already eaten for the day. It has worked much better over time than actively trying to lose weight with a specific diet, but the weight does come off much more slowly and the plateaus are longer. The difficulty with a specific diet is that at some point the diet ends (either I achieved a milestone, done the pre-determined time or just can't bear to keep doing it) and revert to bad eating habits and the weight creeps up again. By eating only foods cooked from raw ingredients, if I over eat for a period my weight may go up a little bit but usually it just doesn't go down for a while. The only way to gain weight significantly is to over eat for a long time and that is actually hard to do since the food is not readily edible but requires effort to prepare. I don't feel like i'm on some kind of mission and there's no end point. Starting out was difficult though with everything tasting bland but once I got used to it processed foods just tasted too salty.

This thread is making me hungry

It was until someone mentioned turkey and gravy soda...:eek:

It was until someone mentioned turkey and gravy soda...:eek:

I lost my hunger back when I posted about the burger with donuts as the bun.....

I lost my hunger back when I posted about the burger with donuts as the bun.....

I fought my way through that one.

If you tax cigarettes based on a "sin tax" rationale, you should have some punitive measure for unhealthy behavior that costs the public money, and raises insurance premiums on the rest of society. It might not be fair on those who consume fattening foods responsibly but obesity is likely to soon be the largest cause of health complaints in this country, and it doesn't seem fair that there are no financial consequences for irresponsible behavior.

I do have an issue with people telling me what I can and can't eat, it is my choice to wear a helmet, or buy a bag of pork rinds, though I am willing to have incentives applied in one direction or another in the marketplace.

I can contribute more than that....

We have a place here near Purdue called the Triple XX that serves the Duane G Purvis "All American" burger. 1/2 pound sirloin burger with creamy peanut butter and sweet pickle relish on it. :eek: Ironoically, it tastes much better than it sounds. :p
I lost my hunger back when I posted about the burger with donuts as the bun.....

http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/results.php?storyarticle=4486

http://www.hfcsfacts.com/HFCSBrochure.pdf

There are a couple more, one mass media and one scholarly


thanks for the link but are there more substantial sources like medical journals as opposed to new age style sites?

I read the ingredients on a pakage of brats over the weekend.
You guessed it, corn syrup was in there.

I can contribute more than that....

We have a place here near Purdue called the Triple XX that serves the Duane G Purvis "All American" burger. 1/2 pound sirloin burger with creamy peanut butter and sweet pickle relish on it. :eek: Ironoically, it tastes much better than it sounds. :p

Look up the Primanti Brothers sandwich in Pittsburgh. Cole slaw and french fries stuck into the sandwich.

I've had that sandwich :p I used to drive a truck and they were one of my deliveries, and they provide a meal for delivery drivers. I got their cabbage in on time from California.....


Look up the Primanti Brothers sandwich in Pittsburgh. Cole slaw and french fries stuck into the sandwich.

I've had that sandwich :p I used to drive a truck and they were one of my deliveries, and they provide a meal for delivery drivers. I got their cabbage in on time from California.....

Was it good? Looks good.

here's another Corn Syrup article, It's the sugar, not just the corn syrup.

High Fructose Corn Syrup: Bad, Good, or in Between?

It’s sweeter than sweet and inexpensive to boot, so food and beverage manufacturers use high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) in virtually everything they make––from soft drinks (including “fruit” drinks) to jams, crackers, bread, yogurt, salad dressing, and even soup. Some research has suggested that fructose is not metabolized in the same way other sugars are, and that the proliferation of HFCS may be a contributing factor in our country’s obesity problem. But many experts believe it is no worse than any other sweetener; in fact, last July The New York Times called it “a sweetener with a bad rap.” So is this syrup the demon culprit behind obesity or wrongly accused?

Sweet and Evil
In 2004, researchers published an article in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, concluding “there is a distinct likelihood that the increased consumption of HFCS in beverages may be linked to the increase in obesity.” In this article, they explain that fructose does not stimulate the pancreas to release insulin and, in turn, does not trigger the secretion of the hormone leptin, which is instrumental in making us feel satiated. These researchers also point to the fact that the increased use of HFCS in the United States mirrors the dramatic increase in obesity. HFCS now accounts for more than 40 percent of the caloric sweeteners added to food and drinks.

HFCS Defense
This and other attacks on HFCS prompted the Corn Refiners Association to create a website, “HFCS Facts,” debunking myths and defending the sweetener. One point they make is that HFCS is not actually “high” in fructose. It contains either 42 or 55 percent fructose and the rest is mostly glucose. The proportions are roughly equivalent to table sugar, which is 50 percent fructose and 50 percent glucose.

The Times article quotes two gurus in the field of nutrition both saying they do not believe there is evidence to support the idea that HFCS has uniquely contributed to the obesity epidemic. And when the Times reporter interviewed one of the authors of the 2004 journal article, the researcher said the idea of a unique link between HFCS and obesity was just a theory and that it could well be proved wrong with future science.

Diabetes and Fructose
What about those with diabetes? On the surface, it would seem that a sugar that doesn’t raise blood glucose and insulin would be a godsend for people with diabetes. However, like most things, it’s not that simple. First, fructose is combined with glucose and other sugars to make HFCS. Second, in animal studies, rodents fed large amounts of fructose became insulin resistant (a precursor to diabetes) and developed high triglycerides. Combine this with the idea that fructose may suppress the release of the appetite-regulating hormone leptin and you’ve got a prescription for upping obesity and diabetes risks.

The bottom line: Whether it’s table sugar, honey, or a highly processed sweetener like HFCS, added sugar is something we’re better off without––no matter what your health status. Get your sugars from natural, healthy sources and you can’t go wrong.

http://www.dlife.com/dLife/do/ShowContent/food_and_nutrition/menu_planning/high_fructose_corn_syrup.html

Agreed that it's the suger, and not specifically the corn syrup. The "enhanced" High Fructose corn syrup triggers an exxagerated insulin response though as compared to Sucrose, or other sugars.

Pure fructose triggers no insulin response and processes through the liver, but the combination of sugars in HFC turn out to not be the best combination for our systems.


Was it good? Looks good.

here's another Corn Syrup article, It's the sugar, not just the corn syrup.

High Fructose Corn Syrup: Bad, Good, or in Between?

It’s sweeter than sweet and inexpensive to boot, so food and beverage manufacturers use high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) in virtually everything they make––from soft drinks (including “fruit” drinks) to jams, crackers, bread, yogurt, salad dressing, and even soup. Some research has suggested that fructose is not metabolized in the same way other sugars are, and that the proliferation of HFCS may be a contributing factor in our country’s obesity problem. But many experts believe it is no worse than any other sweetener; in fact, last July The New York Times called it “a sweetener with a bad rap.” So is this syrup the demon culprit behind obesity or wrongly accused?

Sweet and Evil
In 2004, researchers published an article in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, concluding “there is a distinct likelihood that the increased consumption of HFCS in beverages may be linked to the increase in obesity.” In this article, they explain that fructose does not stimulate the pancreas to release insulin and, in turn, does not trigger the secretion of the hormone leptin, which is instrumental in making us feel satiated. These researchers also point to the fact that the increased use of HFCS in the United States mirrors the dramatic increase in obesity. HFCS now accounts for more than 40 percent of the caloric sweeteners added to food and drinks.

HFCS Defense
This and other attacks on HFCS prompted the Corn Refiners Association to create a website, “HFCS Facts,” debunking myths and defending the sweetener. One point they make is that HFCS is not actually “high” in fructose. It contains either 42 or 55 percent fructose and the rest is mostly glucose. The proportions are roughly equivalent to table sugar, which is 50 percent fructose and 50 percent glucose.

The Times article quotes two gurus in the field of nutrition both saying they do not believe there is evidence to support the idea that HFCS has uniquely contributed to the obesity epidemic. And when the Times reporter interviewed one of the authors of the 2004 journal article, the researcher said the idea of a unique link between HFCS and obesity was just a theory and that it could well be proved wrong with future science.

Diabetes and Fructose
What about those with diabetes? On the surface, it would seem that a sugar that doesn’t raise blood glucose and insulin would be a godsend for people with diabetes. However, like most things, it’s not that simple. First, fructose is combined with glucose and other sugars to make HFCS. Second, in animal studies, rodents fed large amounts of fructose became insulin resistant (a precursor to diabetes) and developed high triglycerides. Combine this with the idea that fructose may suppress the release of the appetite-regulating hormone leptin and you’ve got a prescription for upping obesity and diabetes risks.

The bottom line: Whether it’s table sugar, honey, or a highly processed sweetener like HFCS, added sugar is something we’re better off without––no matter what your health status. Get your sugars from natural, healthy sources and you can’t go wrong.

http://www.dlife.com/dLife/do/ShowContent/food_and_nutrition/menu_planning/high_fructose_corn_syrup.html