TreeUnit
05-23-08, 02:29 PM
Anyone here powered solely by plant products? What's it like? Does a lack of meat make biking harder?
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Smallwheels
05-23-08, 03:02 PM
I wish I could eat only a plant diet but my taste buds and body don't work well on vegetables. Even as a child I hated most vegetables.
The book "Eat Right 4 Your Type" explained it to me so well. There are four different blood types: A, B, O, and AB. Each one thrives on certain types of foods and is irritated by others. Type O people work best on high protein meat diets. My blood is type O.
Type A people do best as vegetarians. Type B is the only type that does well with dairy products.
The other day I was thinking that Vegans can't use Brooks saddles because they don't use products from animals. I wonder if someone who converted to veganism who also owned a Brooks saddle would get rid of it.
Vegan eating looks to be more expensive than meat eating unless the vegan grows his own food.
The book "Eat Right 4 Your Type" explained it to me so well. There are four different blood types: A, B, O, and AB. Each one thrives on certain types of foods and is irritated by others. Type O people work best on high protein meat diets. My blood is type O.
Type A people do best as vegetarians. Type B is the only type that does well with dairy products.
The other day I was thinking that Vegans can't use Brooks saddles because they don't use products from animals. I wonder if someone who converted to veganism who also owned a Brooks saddle would get rid of it.
Vegan eating looks to be more expensive than meat eating unless the vegan grows his own food.
Daboo
05-23-08, 03:22 PM
A lack of meat has nothing to do with riding. Your body runs on carbohydrates for energy - not protein. Plenty of pasta and you're good to go.
I eat and cook vegan at home, but am vegetarian.
Here's my new ride:
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4953/xtrauv1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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I live in Chicago, a place which really lends itself to living car free - no hills, and bike friendly :thumb:
I eat and cook vegan at home, but am vegetarian.
Here's my new ride:
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4953/xtrauv1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4953/xtrauv1.a8428b6234.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=530&i=xtrauv1.jpg)
I live in Chicago, a place which really lends itself to living car free - no hills, and bike friendly :thumb:
TheKingFiphtin
05-23-08, 03:33 PM
I've been vegan since before I got into biking and haven't had any problems. I keep up just fine and recovery after hard rides hasn't been an issue, either.
Eating vegan is pretty cheap if you cook your own meals and don't get all that pre made stuff. I spend less on food (and eat really well) than most of my omnivorous friends. I rarely go out to eat, though. That saves a lot of jink.
Eating vegan is pretty cheap if you cook your own meals and don't get all that pre made stuff. I spend less on food (and eat really well) than most of my omnivorous friends. I rarely go out to eat, though. That saves a lot of jink.
Blue Order
05-23-08, 03:35 PM
Vegan eating looks to be more expensive than meat eating unless the vegan grows his own food.I'm mostly vegan, with occasional dairy (cheese) or egg. Being vegan is way, way cheaper than eating meat, unless maybe you're buying a lot of fake meat products. I could see how that could potentially get expensive, although I haven't done any cost comparisons between a fake-meat-centered diet and a meat-centered diet.
To answer the OP's question, the difference between being vegan or vegetarian and being omnivorous is that you need to eat more, and more often, to get the same amount of energy as you'd get from eating meat. I.e., if you eat meat, you're satiated for a longer period of time than if you're vegan. Think vegetarian animals versus meat eating animals. The vegetarians eat all day long, the meat eaters eat occasionally. The key to being capable of expending energy as a vegan athlete, then, is to eat many small meals throughout the day.
To answer the OP's question, the difference between being vegan or vegetarian and being omnivorous is that you need to eat more, and more often, to get the same amount of energy as you'd get from eating meat. I.e., if you eat meat, you're satiated for a longer period of time than if you're vegan. Think vegetarian animals versus meat eating animals. The vegetarians eat all day long, the meat eaters eat occasionally. The key to being capable of expending energy as a vegan athlete, then, is to eat many small meals throughout the day.
SirGrant
05-23-08, 03:39 PM
The book "Eat Right 4 Your Type" explained it to me so well. There are four different blood types: A, B, O, and AB. Each one thrives on certain types of foods and is irritated by others. Type O people work best on high protein meat diets. My blood is type O.
I don't know about this. I am a O positive vegetarian. I live car free and have 0 problems. Especially after joining my school's bike club I've been healthier then ever. I went vegetarian about the same time I've started cycling and have been handling it fine. I don't feel like the lack of meat makes it any harder. Like someone said you get your energy from Carbs so as long as you eat enough of those to have enough energy when you ride. You just need to make sure you get enough protein to keep your muscles developed.
I don't know about this. I am a O positive vegetarian. I live car free and have 0 problems. Especially after joining my school's bike club I've been healthier then ever. I went vegetarian about the same time I've started cycling and have been handling it fine. I don't feel like the lack of meat makes it any harder. Like someone said you get your energy from Carbs so as long as you eat enough of those to have enough energy when you ride. You just need to make sure you get enough protein to keep your muscles developed.
Lamplight
05-23-08, 04:03 PM
I eat a little meat, but I've contemplated going vegetarian. My problem is, most "real" meat is disgusting to me. I like hot dogs (if you can call that meat), hamburgers unless the patty is really thick, and chicken and turkey on sandwiches as long as it's sliced very thin. What I can't stand are things like steak, roast, chops, etc. Any large natural hunks of meat make me sick to my stomach. Every time I've tried steak I literally gagged before I could swallow just one bite. I once loved fish but I now have some sort of allergic reaction to it, so that's out. :(
However, I haven't discovered enough vegetables that I like. I like corn and green beans. I like salads but only with a decent amount of Ranch dressing and bacon bits, which just about defeats the purpose of a salad. :p I LOVE cheese but I don't think it's good for me so I try to avoid it now. I also love spaghetti and lasagna, but I'm not fond of other pasta.
However, I haven't discovered enough vegetables that I like. I like corn and green beans. I like salads but only with a decent amount of Ranch dressing and bacon bits, which just about defeats the purpose of a salad. :p I LOVE cheese but I don't think it's good for me so I try to avoid it now. I also love spaghetti and lasagna, but I'm not fond of other pasta.
Blue Order
05-23-08, 04:21 PM
However, I haven't discovered enough vegetables that I like.The trick is that you don't eat the same as you would with a meat-centered meal (i.e., a first course of salad, followed by meat with a vegetable on the side.).
What you do is you replace the meat with carbohydrates-- a pasta dish, a rice dish, a potato dish, or even something more exotic if you're adventurous (cous cous-- which is also a pasta dish-- quinoa, amaranth, bulgur, etc.). So you make a pasta with vegetables and protein mixed (example, a pasta dish with broccoli and tofu), a rice pilaf, a stuffed baked potato. Then you can still have your salad first course (I've been eating a lot of three bean salad lately-- green beans, kidney beans, and garbanzo beans in a vinaigrette), and even have a vegetable dish, or a fake meat, on the side. Last night I had a first course of steamed broccoli, followed by pasta with a tomato sauce that also contained sundried tomato and dried mushrooms, and a breaded vegetarian cutlet on the side.
Last week, I was eating a lot of hummus and cous cous...mainly because it was so good I kept making more hummus.
Not to mention those home-made burritos for lunch....and breakfast. :)
There are lots of ways to get a lot of variety in a vegetarian diet. It doesn't have to be-- and shouldn't be-- about eating a heaping plate of vegetables.
By the way, meat was my favorite part of the meal. ;)
Now I'm getting hungry.... :lol:
What you do is you replace the meat with carbohydrates-- a pasta dish, a rice dish, a potato dish, or even something more exotic if you're adventurous (cous cous-- which is also a pasta dish-- quinoa, amaranth, bulgur, etc.). So you make a pasta with vegetables and protein mixed (example, a pasta dish with broccoli and tofu), a rice pilaf, a stuffed baked potato. Then you can still have your salad first course (I've been eating a lot of three bean salad lately-- green beans, kidney beans, and garbanzo beans in a vinaigrette), and even have a vegetable dish, or a fake meat, on the side. Last night I had a first course of steamed broccoli, followed by pasta with a tomato sauce that also contained sundried tomato and dried mushrooms, and a breaded vegetarian cutlet on the side.
Last week, I was eating a lot of hummus and cous cous...mainly because it was so good I kept making more hummus.
Not to mention those home-made burritos for lunch....and breakfast. :)
There are lots of ways to get a lot of variety in a vegetarian diet. It doesn't have to be-- and shouldn't be-- about eating a heaping plate of vegetables.
By the way, meat was my favorite part of the meal. ;)
Now I'm getting hungry.... :lol:
hotwheels
05-23-08, 04:26 PM
i get by just fine
FXjohn
05-23-08, 04:38 PM
The trick is that you don't eat the same as you would with a meat-centered meal (i.e., a first course of salad, followed by meat with a vegetable on the side.).
what happens if someone eats the salad last? What are the implications?
what happens if someone eats the salad last? What are the implications?
Blue Order
05-23-08, 04:54 PM
what happens if someone eats the salad last? What are the implications?Time reverses direction.
rockmom
05-23-08, 05:48 PM
My husband, children, and I are all vegetarians and car free. We are not hardcore into biking though, the vast majority of our trips are under 5 miles. However, we are in very good shape. Yeah for lowest rates on life insurance.
Lamplight
05-23-08, 06:03 PM
The trick is that you don't eat the same as you would with a meat-centered meal (i.e., a first course of salad, followed by meat with a vegetable on the side.).
What you do is you replace the meat with carbohydrates-- a pasta dish, a rice dish, a potato dish, or even something more exotic if you're adventurous (cous cous-- which is also a pasta dish-- quinoa, amaranth, bulgur, etc.). So you make a pasta with vegetables and protein mixed (example, a pasta dish with broccoli and tofu), a rice pilaf, a stuffed baked potato. Then you can still have your salad first course (I've been eating a lot of three bean salad lately-- green beans, kidney beans, and garbanzo beans in a vinaigrette), and even have a vegetable dish, or a fake meat, on the side. Last night I had a first course of steamed broccoli, followed by pasta with a tomato sauce that also contained sundried tomato and dried mushrooms, and a breaded vegetarian cutlet on the side.
Last week, I was eating a lot of hummus and cous cous...mainly because it was so good I kept making more hummus.
Not to mention those home-made burritos for lunch....and breakfast. :)
There are lots of ways to get a lot of variety in a vegetarian diet. It doesn't have to be-- and shouldn't be-- about eating a heaping plate of vegetables.
By the way, meat was my favorite part of the meal. ;)
Now I'm getting hungry.... :lol:
I think I just need to try a larger variety of foods. I've always been very limited in my food choices, mainly because nearly every time I've tried something new I didn't like it. Therefore, I'm reluctant to try something new when I know for a fact that I like something else. This is why when I go to restaurants, I always get the same thing. A few items I've tried and didn't like:
Rice
Any Asian food I've ever tried
All forms of potatoes that aren't mashed or, unfortunately, fried
Most fruit
Oatmeal
I'd guess that in an average week, I only eat about six or seven different dishes, tops.
What you do is you replace the meat with carbohydrates-- a pasta dish, a rice dish, a potato dish, or even something more exotic if you're adventurous (cous cous-- which is also a pasta dish-- quinoa, amaranth, bulgur, etc.). So you make a pasta with vegetables and protein mixed (example, a pasta dish with broccoli and tofu), a rice pilaf, a stuffed baked potato. Then you can still have your salad first course (I've been eating a lot of three bean salad lately-- green beans, kidney beans, and garbanzo beans in a vinaigrette), and even have a vegetable dish, or a fake meat, on the side. Last night I had a first course of steamed broccoli, followed by pasta with a tomato sauce that also contained sundried tomato and dried mushrooms, and a breaded vegetarian cutlet on the side.
Last week, I was eating a lot of hummus and cous cous...mainly because it was so good I kept making more hummus.
Not to mention those home-made burritos for lunch....and breakfast. :)
There are lots of ways to get a lot of variety in a vegetarian diet. It doesn't have to be-- and shouldn't be-- about eating a heaping plate of vegetables.
By the way, meat was my favorite part of the meal. ;)
Now I'm getting hungry.... :lol:
I think I just need to try a larger variety of foods. I've always been very limited in my food choices, mainly because nearly every time I've tried something new I didn't like it. Therefore, I'm reluctant to try something new when I know for a fact that I like something else. This is why when I go to restaurants, I always get the same thing. A few items I've tried and didn't like:
Rice
Any Asian food I've ever tried
All forms of potatoes that aren't mashed or, unfortunately, fried
Most fruit
Oatmeal
I'd guess that in an average week, I only eat about six or seven different dishes, tops.
lukey
05-23-08, 06:34 PM
Anyone here powered solely by plant products? What's it like? Does a lack of meat make biking harder?
I've been vegetarian for about 15 or 16 years, and car-free for about 5 or 6 of those.
It's hard to remember eating meat at this point, but I have raced at an international level and still do tons of group rides and I generally have never had any issues at all. I've competed at a good level with 12-hour solo mountain bike races as well, where you have to eat a ton of food mid-race to keep your energy up.
However, I do know, in fact, that some fellow rider friends of mine (omnivores) have had stomach ailments, indigestion after eating, food-borne illness (buddy sick two days on a recent vacation) which have wrecked rides or prevented rides for them. As a vegetarian, in all those years I honestly can never remember having my riding impacted by food choices (beyond the normal things like running out of snacks on a long ride, etc.).
But hey...this would be the easiest thing in the world to try for yourself and just see how you go, I'm guessing every person is different in this department. So good luck!
I've been vegetarian for about 15 or 16 years, and car-free for about 5 or 6 of those.
It's hard to remember eating meat at this point, but I have raced at an international level and still do tons of group rides and I generally have never had any issues at all. I've competed at a good level with 12-hour solo mountain bike races as well, where you have to eat a ton of food mid-race to keep your energy up.
However, I do know, in fact, that some fellow rider friends of mine (omnivores) have had stomach ailments, indigestion after eating, food-borne illness (buddy sick two days on a recent vacation) which have wrecked rides or prevented rides for them. As a vegetarian, in all those years I honestly can never remember having my riding impacted by food choices (beyond the normal things like running out of snacks on a long ride, etc.).
But hey...this would be the easiest thing in the world to try for yourself and just see how you go, I'm guessing every person is different in this department. So good luck!
Newspaperguy
05-23-08, 06:51 PM
I'm car-light and meat-light. I've been known to go weeks without meat. It doesn't slow me down as a cyclist. If anything, it might make me a better rider.
With or without meat, the body needs protein, carbohydrates and fats. I prefer to get my protein through beans, tofu, cottage cheese and other low-fat dairy products. When I buy meat, I'm careful to look for low-fat cuts since the saturated fats can have some unpleasant consequences in the short term and in the long term.
With or without meat, the body needs protein, carbohydrates and fats. I prefer to get my protein through beans, tofu, cottage cheese and other low-fat dairy products. When I buy meat, I'm careful to look for low-fat cuts since the saturated fats can have some unpleasant consequences in the short term and in the long term.
ijgrant
05-23-08, 07:07 PM
I'm vegan and car free. The two go somewhat hand in hand where I live. Not eating alot of calorie dense foods, and being so active (I run as well) I eat huge amounts of food. I feel like a glutton some days. At the same time, I've lost 25lbs, and my performance and general health have vastly increased since becoming a vegan a year and a half ago
Domromer
05-23-08, 08:05 PM
I'm a vegetarian but I eat eggs and milk because I make it all here on my farm.
gerv
05-23-08, 09:49 PM
I'm not a vegetarian, but I do try to reserve meat for less than 3 times a week. One of the reasons is that a planet of humans eating meat every day is a very short-lived scenario. We could extend our ability to live on this planet if we moved to a vegetarian diet.
I don't think a vegetarian diet has any bearing on one's ability to use the bicycle for transportation. For example, most Indians are vegetarians and bicycle riding is rampant.
I don't think a vegetarian diet has any bearing on one's ability to use the bicycle for transportation. For example, most Indians are vegetarians and bicycle riding is rampant.
peace_piper
05-24-08, 02:07 PM
Type B is the only type that does well with dairy products.
I'm Type B and quite lactose-intolerant. -__-
Also, a lifelong vegetarian, going on 27 years. I guess the proper word would be "vegan". While I don't eat eggs, I do use them in cooking from time to time.
As far as biking goes easier for a non-veggie or not, I can't say, I've never eaten meat so I have nothing to compare it to.
I'm Type B and quite lactose-intolerant. -__-
Also, a lifelong vegetarian, going on 27 years. I guess the proper word would be "vegan". While I don't eat eggs, I do use them in cooking from time to time.
As far as biking goes easier for a non-veggie or not, I can't say, I've never eaten meat so I have nothing to compare it to.
Ekdog
05-24-08, 03:52 PM
I stopped buying meat some months ago after reading articles like this one (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/weekinreview/27bittman.html). I don't turn down meat if someone gives it to me, however, and I eat fish every now and then. I'm not willing to give up my Brooks saddles.
I find that I have more energy now that I'm meat light, and I'm saving a hell of a lot of money.
I find that I have more energy now that I'm meat light, and I'm saving a hell of a lot of money.
knowpain
05-24-08, 04:05 PM
I wish I could eat only a plant diet but my taste buds and body don't work well on vegetables. Even as a child I hated most vegetables.
The book "Eat Right 4 Your Type" explained it to me so well. There are four different blood types: A, B, O, and AB. Each one thrives on certain types of foods and is irritated by others. Type O people work best on high protein meat diets. My blood is type O.
Type A people do best as vegetarians. Type B is the only type that does well with dairy products.
The other day I was thinking that Vegans can't use Brooks saddles because they don't use products from animals. I wonder if someone who converted to veganism who also owned a Brooks saddle would get rid of it.
Vegan eating looks to be more expensive than meat eating unless the vegan grows his own food.
I agree - great book! I'm almost a vegetarian. I eat some salmon once or twice a month 'cause I live on the west coast. Another great book is the Thrive Diet by Brendan Brazier. Brendan is vegan tri-athlete. The book is packed with awesome recipes. If you combine both books, using the blood type book without eating meat, and the Thrive book, but without going entirely vegan, you'll get an awesome combo. Other than the salmon I haven't eaten meat for about a year and I feel great, lost 15 lbs and have increased energy. If you become a vegi, make sure you avoid pasta with wheat and don't start eating too much cheese. If you read the Thrive book you'll find plenty of great sources of protein without having to eat meat.
The book "Eat Right 4 Your Type" explained it to me so well. There are four different blood types: A, B, O, and AB. Each one thrives on certain types of foods and is irritated by others. Type O people work best on high protein meat diets. My blood is type O.
Type A people do best as vegetarians. Type B is the only type that does well with dairy products.
The other day I was thinking that Vegans can't use Brooks saddles because they don't use products from animals. I wonder if someone who converted to veganism who also owned a Brooks saddle would get rid of it.
Vegan eating looks to be more expensive than meat eating unless the vegan grows his own food.
I agree - great book! I'm almost a vegetarian. I eat some salmon once or twice a month 'cause I live on the west coast. Another great book is the Thrive Diet by Brendan Brazier. Brendan is vegan tri-athlete. The book is packed with awesome recipes. If you combine both books, using the blood type book without eating meat, and the Thrive book, but without going entirely vegan, you'll get an awesome combo. Other than the salmon I haven't eaten meat for about a year and I feel great, lost 15 lbs and have increased energy. If you become a vegi, make sure you avoid pasta with wheat and don't start eating too much cheese. If you read the Thrive book you'll find plenty of great sources of protein without having to eat meat.
mavimao
05-24-08, 08:39 PM
I am meat-lite. I like to eat meat and I won't deny it, and I tolerate the idea that animals are killed in order for me to eat them. However, I disagree with the way in which animals are raised and killed on factory farms so I will pick out an organic steak every month or so. A special treat. The rest of my diet consists of a vegetarian diet with soy milk replacing all of my regular milk needs.
urban rider
05-24-08, 08:39 PM
The information I just read has been most helpful. I have been a vegetarian for years. I have been moving towards becoming a vegan. I have discontinued fish. I am lactose intolerant. I have been eating a lot of eggs, which I plan to discontinue by June 1, 2008. The problem has been that I have been hungry, starving by early evening. Based upon some of the information I read in this thread I realize I have to eat more often. Usually my meals consist of the following Oatmeal or grits for breakfast-9 a.m peanut butter sandwhich by 12:00 almonds at 3 pm starving by 8 pm. Dinner unfortunately has been junk stuff. I am too ashamed to mention it. No meat or fish but junk snacks. I commute daily 4 miles. I am in the process of menu planning for the month of June. Any further suggestions would be appreciated.
rockmom
05-24-08, 09:30 PM
The information I just read has been most helpful. I have been a vegetarian for years. I have been moving towards becoming a vegan. I have discontinued fish. I am lactose intolerant. I have been eating a lot of eggs, which I plan to discontinue by June 1, 2008. The problem has been that I have been hungry, starving by early evening. Based upon some of the information I read in this thread I realize I have to eat more often. Usually my meals consist of the following Oatmeal or grits for breakfast-9 a.m peanut butter sandwhich by 12:00 almonds at 3 pm starving by 8 pm. Dinner unfortunately has been junk stuff. I am too ashamed to mention it. No meat or fish but junk snacks. I commute daily 4 miles. I am in the process of menu planning for the month of June. Any further suggestions would be appreciated.
Are you not eating anything between 3pm and 8pm? I'd be starving too. I'm moderately active these days so I am eating about every 3-3.5 hours. When I am using a lot of calories, I eat every 2 hours. Usually it's a lot of snack type food: apple with peanut butter, 1/2 bagel with cream cheese, hummus with carrot sticks or crackers, popcorn, etc.
Are you not eating anything between 3pm and 8pm? I'd be starving too. I'm moderately active these days so I am eating about every 3-3.5 hours. When I am using a lot of calories, I eat every 2 hours. Usually it's a lot of snack type food: apple with peanut butter, 1/2 bagel with cream cheese, hummus with carrot sticks or crackers, popcorn, etc.
mark9950
05-25-08, 01:16 AM
and bike friendly Are you kidding me,I live here in the south side of chicago close to the border of indiana and this city is not bike friendly the idiot drivers do not want to see you and try to run you off the road ,they think they own it.
Everyday I pray to allah for $250.00 barrel for oil and I am not a muslim.
Everyday I pray to allah for $250.00 barrel for oil and I am not a muslim.
A.Gronow
05-26-08, 06:42 AM
I'm a vegetarian but I eat eggs and milk because I make it all here on my farm.
I think the chickens and cows "make" it all.:love:
I think the chickens and cows "make" it all.:love:
cradduck
05-26-08, 06:18 PM
I only eat meat at dinner a few times a week. I don't touch beef or pork...but I can't give up my fiance's turkey burgers for the life of me.
The idea of eating meat with every single meal is something that Americans can certainly live with out.
The idea of eating meat with every single meal is something that Americans can certainly live with out.
AlucardZero
05-26-08, 07:03 PM
God, no. Meat was meant to be eaten by humans and other animals. Without it we won't survive.
$.02
$.02
gascostalot
05-26-08, 07:16 PM
Oh god here it comes...
bragi
05-26-08, 09:03 PM
I think I just need to try a larger variety of foods. I've always been very limited in my food choices, mainly because nearly every time I've tried something new I didn't like it. Therefore, I'm reluctant to try something new when I know for a fact that I like something else. This is why when I go to restaurants, I always get the same thing. A few items I've tried and didn't like:
Rice
Any Asian food I've ever tried
All forms of potatoes that aren't mashed or, unfortunately, fried
Most fruit
Oatmeal
I'd guess that in an average week, I only eat about six or seven different dishes, tops.
Have you ever considered leaving TN? Reading your posts, I get the impression you feel limited, and maybe it's time to gather up your courage and explore new frontiers.
Rice
Any Asian food I've ever tried
All forms of potatoes that aren't mashed or, unfortunately, fried
Most fruit
Oatmeal
I'd guess that in an average week, I only eat about six or seven different dishes, tops.
Have you ever considered leaving TN? Reading your posts, I get the impression you feel limited, and maybe it's time to gather up your courage and explore new frontiers.
cerewa
05-26-08, 10:07 PM
God, no. Meat was meant to be eaten by humans and other animals. Without it we won't survive.
$.02
I'm dead already, on account of having not eaten any meat in the last 10 years. :lol: ;-)
$.02
I'm dead already, on account of having not eaten any meat in the last 10 years. :lol: ;-)
Lamplight
05-26-08, 11:26 PM
Have you ever considered leaving TN? Reading your posts, I get the impression you feel limited, and maybe it's time to gather up your courage and explore new frontiers.
I will eventually, I just can't afford to at this point in my life. I pretty much despise this state.
I will eventually, I just can't afford to at this point in my life. I pretty much despise this state.
Toddorado
05-27-08, 03:58 AM
I wish I could eat only a plant diet but my taste buds and body don't work well on vegetables. Even as a child I hated most vegetables.
The book "Eat Right 4 Your Type" explained it to me so well. There are four different blood types: A, B, O, and AB. Each one thrives on certain types of foods and is irritated by others. Type O people work best on high protein meat diets. My blood is type O.
Type A people do best as vegetarians. Type B is the only type that does well with dairy products.
The other day I was thinking that Vegans can't use Brooks saddles because they don't use products from animals. I wonder if someone who converted to veganism who also owned a Brooks saddle would get rid of it.
Vegan eating looks to be more expensive than meat eating unless the vegan grows his own food.
I've heard of this theory, but if it is true, I am a type ABOAB :rolleyes: I'm really type A (pos), but I eat dairy with no ill effects. I eat TONS of dairy. I could be a vegetarian (I love 99.9% of veggies), but I like meat too much. I prefer chicken and turkey, and especially fish, but I like it all. The clincher is that no matter how I eat, everything pretty much remains the same. I could try all of these diets with little or no change.
It's the drinking that screwed me up.
The book "Eat Right 4 Your Type" explained it to me so well. There are four different blood types: A, B, O, and AB. Each one thrives on certain types of foods and is irritated by others. Type O people work best on high protein meat diets. My blood is type O.
Type A people do best as vegetarians. Type B is the only type that does well with dairy products.
The other day I was thinking that Vegans can't use Brooks saddles because they don't use products from animals. I wonder if someone who converted to veganism who also owned a Brooks saddle would get rid of it.
Vegan eating looks to be more expensive than meat eating unless the vegan grows his own food.
I've heard of this theory, but if it is true, I am a type ABOAB :rolleyes: I'm really type A (pos), but I eat dairy with no ill effects. I eat TONS of dairy. I could be a vegetarian (I love 99.9% of veggies), but I like meat too much. I prefer chicken and turkey, and especially fish, but I like it all. The clincher is that no matter how I eat, everything pretty much remains the same. I could try all of these diets with little or no change.
It's the drinking that screwed me up.
FXjohn
05-27-08, 04:11 AM
Have you ever considered leaving TN? Reading your posts, I get the impression you feel limited, and maybe it's time to gather up your courage and explore new frontiers.
Does rice taste different outside of TN?
Does rice taste different outside of TN?
bikeCarrot
05-28-08, 06:35 AM
I don't know about this. I am a O positive vegetarian. I live car free and have 0 problems.
Ditto.
I went vegetarian after I started riding and noticed no negative change, just positive ones. Just make sure maintain a balanced diet, which someone should be doing whether they eat meat or not.
Ditto.
I went vegetarian after I started riding and noticed no negative change, just positive ones. Just make sure maintain a balanced diet, which someone should be doing whether they eat meat or not.
yogajess
06-03-08, 10:19 PM
I'm very car-light (trying to sell her) and a raw-food vegan. I don't have any problem with energy at all! The cost is minimal (esp. if you're not buying pre-fab crap) and the taste is incredible. IMO you don't NEED meat at all (or at least very, very little) any good Bio class will tell you that we don't need it to survive. We need amino acids to build proteins and there are plenty of plants, nuts, seeds etc. that can provide everything we need (yes, even B12). If anyone is interested in a further explanation of raw food vegan eating (because this is deeper than just a quick post) please feel free to pm me.
All that aside, I'm anxious to sell my car and get on with it! I currently live in Ohio but am moving to Berkeley within a month or so b/c of my job. If there's anyone there who wants to show me around...let me know!
:) Jess
All that aside, I'm anxious to sell my car and get on with it! I currently live in Ohio but am moving to Berkeley within a month or so b/c of my job. If there's anyone there who wants to show me around...let me know!
:) Jess
robinthehippie
06-04-08, 01:07 AM
I gave up my car before I gave up meat. I did have a problem initially with running out of energy, but I tracked my calories for a few days and realized I was way behind (only eating ~1200 calories/day.) The overall lack of food was the problem, not the lack of meat. Now I eat five meals a day, 2000-2500 calories, and feel much better than I did when I was eating meat.
BTW, I cook and eat vegan at the house, but will splurge on eggs and cheese when I go out.
BTW, I cook and eat vegan at the house, but will splurge on eggs and cheese when I go out.
mconlonx
06-04-08, 09:28 AM
I pretty much thought that car-free = vegetarian. I bet the percentage of vegetarians is much greater among this demographic than the population as a whole.
Not a vegetarian although I have given up meat for extended periods (1-6 months) of time. Once, after seeing a cow slaughtered at my ex-in-law's farm. Once after reading The Food Revolution by John Robbins. Mainly just to see how it would impact me. No big difference one way or another, and I like meat, so a vegetarian diet has never stuck on me.
One thing to keep in mind with statements about turning to a vegetarian diet for sustainable living is that modern farming, including organic farming, is dependent on petrochemical input. If the oil goes away, so does modern agricultrure and any population exclusively dependent on it for food.
I used to cut meat for work, then part time, then professionally again just a short while ago. I've moved on now, but it's a good, relaltively high-paying trade to be able to fall back on. One place where it was really lonely being the meat cutter? A Co-Op in Cambridge MA... the vegetable section was about four times the meat section, where in a usual grocery store, the two departments are pretty much equal for display space. Customers would routinely hit the cut and packaged meat with "Meat is Murder" stickers, which I thought was an absolute riot. I don't push meat on people, and have issues with evangelical vegetarians. Nowadays, we don't eat much meat except what we buy from my exes, who raise grass-fed organic free range beef. We'll buy a side (250lbs) for the freezer which will pretty much last us a year.
Not a vegetarian although I have given up meat for extended periods (1-6 months) of time. Once, after seeing a cow slaughtered at my ex-in-law's farm. Once after reading The Food Revolution by John Robbins. Mainly just to see how it would impact me. No big difference one way or another, and I like meat, so a vegetarian diet has never stuck on me.
One thing to keep in mind with statements about turning to a vegetarian diet for sustainable living is that modern farming, including organic farming, is dependent on petrochemical input. If the oil goes away, so does modern agricultrure and any population exclusively dependent on it for food.
I used to cut meat for work, then part time, then professionally again just a short while ago. I've moved on now, but it's a good, relaltively high-paying trade to be able to fall back on. One place where it was really lonely being the meat cutter? A Co-Op in Cambridge MA... the vegetable section was about four times the meat section, where in a usual grocery store, the two departments are pretty much equal for display space. Customers would routinely hit the cut and packaged meat with "Meat is Murder" stickers, which I thought was an absolute riot. I don't push meat on people, and have issues with evangelical vegetarians. Nowadays, we don't eat much meat except what we buy from my exes, who raise grass-fed organic free range beef. We'll buy a side (250lbs) for the freezer which will pretty much last us a year.
Roody
06-04-08, 01:55 PM
Some days I eat meat and some days I don't. I haven't noticed any differences in my cycling performance from day to day.
Newspaperguy
06-04-08, 02:04 PM
For those who avoid any animal products whatsoever, how do you ensure you are getting enough protein and what do you do for vitamin B12?
Roody
06-04-08, 02:12 PM
For those who avoid any animal products whatsoever, how do you ensure you are getting enough protein and what do you do for vitamin B12?
Almost every food, even lettuce contains protein. Think about it--beef cattle get their protein from grass.
Vegetarians get B12 (http://www.whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=107) from cultured dairy and cultured soy products. Some vegans should probably take a B12 supplement if they develop symptoms of deficiency.
A food resource I reall like is The World's Healthiest Foods (http://www.whfoods.org/). It gives a lot of good apolitical advice and information about food. They do include meats, but mostly vegetables, fruits, legumes and grains.
Almost every food, even lettuce contains protein. Think about it--beef cattle get their protein from grass.
Vegetarians get B12 (http://www.whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=107) from cultured dairy and cultured soy products. Some vegans should probably take a B12 supplement if they develop symptoms of deficiency.
A food resource I reall like is The World's Healthiest Foods (http://www.whfoods.org/). It gives a lot of good apolitical advice and information about food. They do include meats, but mostly vegetables, fruits, legumes and grains.
Blue Order
06-07-08, 02:33 PM
Almost every food, even lettuce contains protein. Think about it--beef cattle get their protein from grass.And some vegetable foods are higher in protein than others. Most vegans substitute for meat with things like legumes, tofu, or high-protein grains.
Vegetarians get B12 (http://www.whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=107) from cultured dairy and cultured soy products. Some vegans should probably take a B12 supplement if they develop symptoms of deficiency.Yes, although the body stores B-12, so it would take something like several months before you actually run out of B-12. It's not something you need to eat every day. But if you are vegan, you will need to either take a supplement, or eat a vegan source of B-12, such as tempeh.
Vegetarians get B12 (http://www.whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=107) from cultured dairy and cultured soy products. Some vegans should probably take a B12 supplement if they develop symptoms of deficiency.Yes, although the body stores B-12, so it would take something like several months before you actually run out of B-12. It's not something you need to eat every day. But if you are vegan, you will need to either take a supplement, or eat a vegan source of B-12, such as tempeh.
HauntedMyst
06-09-08, 01:53 AM
Do vegans get to enjoy the wonders of Brooks saddles? I know veal (I had a delicous one tonight at LeBella) is out of the question but Brooks? My understanding is that many cows just show up at the factory door and commit suicide in the hopes of becoming a B-17 Champion Special.
mconlonx
06-09-08, 08:58 AM
Almost every food, even lettuce contains protein. Think about it--beef cattle get their protein from grass.
And beef cattle have seven stomachs, plus food regurgitation for chewing cud, to break down those plant proteins which humans can't. Otherwise, we could all graze on our lawns...
And beef cattle have seven stomachs, plus food regurgitation for chewing cud, to break down those plant proteins which humans can't. Otherwise, we could all graze on our lawns...
psycho d
06-09-08, 11:32 AM
Been a veg now for a year and a half and going strong. As for energy, burning protein for energy produces more nitrogenous waste for the body to have to excrete as opposed to buring carbs. i do miss the the taste of meat though. Maybe some day in the future it will be feasible to personally be responsible for the acquisition and preparation of animal products for consumption as opposed to today's situation where we pay someone else to kill and clean our meat products. When dead animals appear cellophane wrapped in a sterile "magic box" for our consumption, is is difficult to give thanks for the death of that animal in order to propagate our own lives. Ashe.
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rockmom
06-09-08, 02:18 PM
And beef cattle have seven stomachs, plus food regurgitation for chewing cud, to break down those plant proteins which humans can't. Otherwise, we could all graze on our lawns...
Actually the abomasum and small intestines of a cow are the portions responsible for protein digestion. These portions of a cow's are basically the same as those in humans. The rest is to handle the complex carbohydrates (cellulose and hemicellulose) within grass.
Actually the abomasum and small intestines of a cow are the portions responsible for protein digestion. These portions of a cow's are basically the same as those in humans. The rest is to handle the complex carbohydrates (cellulose and hemicellulose) within grass.
robinthehippie
06-09-08, 04:57 PM
Do vegans get to enjoy the wonders of Brooks saddles? I know veal (I had a delicous one tonight at LeBella) is out of the question but Brooks? My understanding is that many cows just show up at the factory door and commit suicide in the hopes of becoming a B-17 Champion Special.
:roflmao2:
My hope is that those cows, even with their noble sense of purpose, get the intervention they need to realize their purose in life is not under a hairless ape's lycra-covered ass.
(but a Brooks saddle is reeeeeally tempting.)
:roflmao2:
My hope is that those cows, even with their noble sense of purpose, get the intervention they need to realize their purose in life is not under a hairless ape's lycra-covered ass.
(but a Brooks saddle is reeeeeally tempting.)
huhenio
06-09-08, 05:16 PM
I'm mostly vegan, with occasional dairy (cheese) or egg. Being vegan is way, way cheaper than eating meat, unless maybe you're buying a lot of fake meat products..
show me your protein/dollar figures.
show me your protein/dollar figures.
huhenio
06-09-08, 05:18 PM
I'm dead already, on account of having not eaten any meat in the last 10 years. :lol: ;-)
It shows in your powerful pedalstroke :roflmao2:
It shows in your powerful pedalstroke :roflmao2:
cerewa
06-09-08, 06:05 PM
show me your protein/dollar figures.
I don't know about protein/dollar figures, but here are my thoughts:
one meal's worth of protein (a third of a day) is about one third to one half of a 70-cent can of black beans, chickpeas, refried pinto beans (mmm, burritos!). An equivalent amount of peanuts will be similar in price.
Canned beans are not the cheapest, but it's hard to beat the combination of cheapness and convenience.
So for the protein portion of my diet if I were eating this stuff all the time would be about $1.05 per day.
However, I also eat almonds, cheese, and $8/pound processed foods for some of my dietary protein.
I don't know about protein/dollar figures, but here are my thoughts:
one meal's worth of protein (a third of a day) is about one third to one half of a 70-cent can of black beans, chickpeas, refried pinto beans (mmm, burritos!). An equivalent amount of peanuts will be similar in price.
Canned beans are not the cheapest, but it's hard to beat the combination of cheapness and convenience.
So for the protein portion of my diet if I were eating this stuff all the time would be about $1.05 per day.
However, I also eat almonds, cheese, and $8/pound processed foods for some of my dietary protein.
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