Singlespeed & Fixed Gear - No more treks for me.

Since my trek classic cruiser so many problems,I decided to buy a wal-mart bike.

Thats right no more treks for me,first a loose cone,spokes breaking,coaster wearing out,seatpost rusted to the frame,broken seat and dropouts damaged from the original bolts(not covered under warrantee)the bike is only 10 months old,I decided to garage the trek and buy this bike from wal-mart.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=8399254

I dont care what you think about it,with the junk trek that I bought a wal-mart bike is definately a step up.but you may say"why didnt you buy a better trek",at that time I couldn't afford to buy a better trek.I bought what I could afford at the time,the trek should have been built better,besides no matter what bike I ride its going to get torn up.

Trek makes some crappy bikes(chinese) but they also make nice ones(made in USA). The difference in quality is huge. Don't buy a walmart bike you're just wasting more money

wrong forum, and i want my click back

Since my trek classic cruiser so many problems,I decided to buy a wal-mart bike.

Thats right no more treks for me,first a loose cone,spokes breaking,coaster wearing out,seatpost rusted to the frame,broken seat and dropouts damaged from the original bolts(not covered under warrantee)the bike is only 10 months old,I decided to garage the trek and buy this bike from wal-mart.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=8399254

I dont care what you think about it,with the junk trek that I bought a wal-mart bike is definately a step up.but you may say"why didnt you buy a better trek",at that time I couldn't afford to buy a better trek.I bought what I could afford at the time,the trek should have been built better,besides no matter what bike I ride its going to get torn up.

And you think you're going to solve all those problems by getting a Walmart bike? You'll have even more problems. You get what you pay for.

yeah that bike will give you more problems

wrong forum, and i want my click back

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+re-read your posts before you click submit please.

my rule of thumb:

$xxxx.xx LBS Bike = $xxxx.xx/2 Walmart Bike + $xxxx.xx/2 Repair Costs

Post a picture of you riding this bike while wearing your snowboarding helmet. And the accompanying goggles for good measure. If you don't I will assume your posts are an elaborate ruse by some insane BF'er. In fact, I bet Hotbike and Mark9950's posts come from the same IP address.

Its because you never maintained it OR got it a tune up.

Duh

When I first stumbled across Bikeforums, I saw the "Singlespeed and Fixed Gear" and thought, Hot Dog, they have a forum for Me! I didn't know what Fixed Gear meant, but I had a singlespeed and figured it would fit right in. In fact, you have to interpret the forum title as "Bikes that are both Single speed and fixed gear". But it makes just as much sense grammatically if you interpret it as "Single speed bikes and Fixed Gear Bikes", but you quickly discover that's not what it's about.

Anyway, in the original post, it's really hard for a third party to tell where the problem lies. Loose cone is an assembly/tune up problem. Broken spokes can be poor quality, can be overweight, can be bumping over roots and curbs and stuff, can be poor adjustment, etc. Seat post rusted sounds like leaving the bike out in the rain. Breaking stuff with the orignal bolts sounds like a user problem. All of these problems can happen just as easily with a Walmart bike, which is not noted for professional assembly, tune up, etc. Anyway, if your mind is made up, go for it and enjoy. If you're right, you've got yourself a good bike at a good price. If you're wrong, you've learned a valuable lesson.

i don't think it's too OT here to say that I hate walmart and your money went towards helping some very bad people oppress some of the most underprivileged people around.

you lose! enjoy your Klan bike.

Trek makes some crappy bikes(chinese)I wish I knew this before I bought it.The @#$% bike shop owner lied to me and told me the bike that I bought was made in usa,I guess you live and learn.

Fool me once shame on you fool me twice?never happen.


Trek makes some crappy bikes(chinese) but they also make nice ones(made in USA). The difference in quality is huge. Don't buy a walmart bike you're just wasting more money

I already wasted $200.00,maybe I should start walking.


And you think you're going to solve all those problems by getting a Walmart bike? You'll have even more problems. You get what you pay for.A bike is not a toy for kids to play with,I have my tools,cone wrenches,adjustable wrench so that I can regrease the wheel bearings and one piece crank(these cranks are so easy to work on.The reason why kids have problems with these bikes is because a bike is not a toy,it has to be maintained.



,first a loose cone,spokes breaking,coaster wearing out,seatpost rusted to the frame,broken seat and dropouts damaged from the original bolts(not covered under warranteeThere were five problems listed above with a name that supposed to mean QUALITY as I falsly assumed,and BELIEVED the LBS owner about trek.


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i don't think it's too OT here to say that I hate walmart and your money went towards helping some very bad people oppress some of the most underprivileged people around.
Thats not my problem, but if you will pay the difference of what I can afford and the american made bike price I will buy one.Do you hate the muslim arab terrorists and their oil?

Screw it.

"Enjoy" you new purchase.

Loose cone is an assembly/tune up problemTrek quality?


Broken spokes can be poor quality, can be overweight, can be bumping over roots and curbs and stuff, can be poor adjustment, etc.Trek quality?When I relaced the original wheel I must have done it right.never broke a spoke after that.I have to specialized tools.


Seat post rusted sounds like leaving the bike out in the rain.No,Riding in the rain without fenders,Trek could have used a chrome plated or stainless seatpost.


Breaking stuff with the orignal bolts sounds like a user problem.Poor Design,the original bolts did not have a flange(built in washer) like the common bolts that are used today on other bikes,If I would have known back then the original bolts would have caused damage to the dropouts I would have changed them,on top of that the steel is definately softer and crushes very easily under pressure leaving a lip on the inside of the dropout that I have to file off.


All of these problems can happen just as easily with a Walmart bike,I guess that my Trek IS a wal-mart bike,the only difference is that I payed $90.00 too much.



$xxxx.xx LBS Bike = $xxxx.xx/2 Walmart Bike + $xxxx.xx/2 Repair CostsWho has to go to the LBS for repairs?Unscrew the bolt/skewer and get to work,a wrench only costs about $5.00.I made my own cone wrenches out of regular open end wrenches and a belt sander.

No matter how true the wheel, I replaced my coaster brake hub using a wal-mart bike wheel and except for the hump in the wheel the wheel is fine.By the way the bontrager tires themselves haves hump in them when I fill them up with air,bontrager quality?

Shall we talk about bontrager tires too?


Maybe try another bike shop or do a little research before you go and do something this incredibly stupid and short-sighted.Not another trek and I am not going buy a mountain bike or road bike,I hate being crunched up.I want those cruiser bikes.

You know what.. you bought a stupid, ****ty, bargain basement crapcycle and got exactly what you deserve. You're the same kind of genius who gets all outraged because your Sony TV starts going all wonky "BUT IT'S A SONY I THOUGHT SONY WAS A GOOD BRAND."

Guess what, names don't mean **** anymore. Fender makes some of the best and some of the worst guitars out there. Shimano makes garbage components and top of the line components. Trek does the same. Norco does the same. Damn near any company who's name is worth a damn is going to let quality suffer on some of their products because their high-end stuff does a good job of maintaining their brand's integrity while the semi-disposable low-end garbage does a nice job of increasing their bottom line.

It was a $200 bike. The hell did you expect?

Post a picture of you riding this bike while wearing your snowboarding helmet.

I dont have a digital camera,can you send me yours?

My Trek has been absolutely phenomenal for the past year.

I dont have a digital camera,can you send me yours?

Mine's broken. ****ing Nikon...

Mine's broken. ****ing Nikon...

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Isn't this the "should I replace the dropouts on my $200 bike? They have marks on them from the axle and nuts." guy?

"Beach Ford, Barton Ford, Lincoln-Mercury!"

Gah! Why must you put such an annoying jingle back into my head?

I dont have a digital camera,can you send me yours?

From http://wherearethedogshumping.com/

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/abetterseptember/click-click.jpg

I made my own cone wrenches out of regular open end wrenches and a belt sander.

This adequately and completely sums up this guy's mentality.

you've already posted a whole bunch of threads with your pointless ranting. let it go

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=409463&highlight=

Every bike should be cheap and high quality and never break, ever! I want a pony.

There ARE other companies besides Trek. Many others I'd recommend over Trek actually. I hope your bike works out well. Just rebuild it and tighten the bolts.

I just noticed your last Trek was $200. I realize we aren't all Bill Gates, but you will have to spend more than $200 on a new bike if you expect quality. $200 is not enough for new.

You can spend $200 wisely on a used bike or fixing up an old bike you have... but $200 isn't going to buy you much new.

This isn't an elitist keeping-up-with-the-Jones statement. It just costs more than that to demand a quality machine.

Judging by this thread and the one linked earlier, you've spent $200 on the Trek, $200 on repairs to the Trek, and $100 on the new WalMart bike. Expect repairs on that.

This is why the $500+ hybrid (or whatever type) is a great decision and is often recommended.

I just noticed your last Trek was $200. I realize we aren't all Bill Gates, but you will have to spend more than $200 on a new bike if you expect quality. $200 is not enough for new.

You can spend $200 wisely on a used bike or fixing up an old bike you have... but $200 isn't going to buy you much new.

This isn't an elitist keeping-up-with-the-Jones statement. It just costs more than that to demand a quality machine.

Judging by this thread and the one linked earlier, you've spent $200 on the Trek, $200 on repairs to the Trek, and $100 on the new WalMart bike. Expect repairs on that.

This is why the $500+ hybrid (or whatever type) is a great decision and is often recommended.

What he said.

If your going to do something, do it right, and if you dont do it right and dont like it dont whine to us about it. Your old trek stunk because it was made by a bunch of foreigners who dont care about the quality of their work. Spend $300 on a slightly used Diamondback Insight 1 and it will never let you down (assuming your lookin for a hybrid).

Im 15 and was able to scrape up more than that for a mountain bike.

made by a bunch of foreigners who dont care about the quality of their work.

Can you be a foreigner when you live and work in your own country? The factory worker might ask, "How can foreigners expect to buy a high quality product for such cheap prices and then blame it on me? I work very hard at a difficult job and then some rich foreigner insults me on a message board when I am just a small cog in a large machine."

Can you stop treating this guy seriously long enough to realize he needs meds? Seriously. He's not rational. Let it go.

lock this thread up

I like my vintage (1985) Trek a lot. True Temper tubeset, nice lugs, made in Waterford, Wisconsin, USA. That's all I have to add to this thread.

Can you be a foreigner when you live and work in your own country? The factory worker might ask, "How can foreigners expect to buy a high quality product for such cheap prices and then blame it on me? I work very hard at a difficult job and then some rich foreigner insults me on a message board when I am just a small cog in a large machine."

"Look buddy I make as much money in an hour as you do in a week, so when I say I want you to make me a bicycle built with the care, attention and devotion that is simply not possible on the sheer scale of production you're involved with, and at the same price you're currently selling these cheap rickity junkers for, you had better god damn well do it!"

Trek makes some crappy bikes(chinese) but they also make nice ones(made in USA). The difference in quality is huge.


This is one of the biggest lies on BF. Almost every big bike company produces parts/frames in China/Taiwan. At a certain price point, it doesn't really matter where your frame is made. If you want to spend extra money to feel good cause your bike is made in the USA, feel free, but a lot of damn good bikes come from Asian factories.

This whole notion that China/Taiwan produced goods are crap is a total strawman. Of course a lot of crap comes from those two countries, but so do a lot of high-quality products. Most of the electronic components you use everyday come from there, but you wouldn't know it because the label says SONY or Dell. Taiwan in particular specializes in OEM manufacturing, which means they produce the stuff that goes into stuff. Many of these factories are absolutely first-rate in terms of quality control and efficiency. Taiwan doesn't, however, have well known brands (yet). The goods that we often associate with high quality and high performance are often actually a collection of parts made in these two countries.

As we all know, Made in USA is no guarantee of quality and Made in Taiwan does not necessarily mean crap.

10 years from now, "Made in Taiwan" will be the new "Made in Japan."

And for that matter, "Designed in India" will be the new "Engineered in Germany."

At any rate, the only way to determine if a frame or component is made well is to actually look at it closely. Bikes aren't like computers or stereo equipment. The quality is in plain view, if you know what to look for.

This is one of the biggest lies on BF. Almost every big bike company produces parts/frames in China/Taiwan. At a certain price point, it doesn't really matter where your frame is made. If you want to spend extra money to feel good cause your bike is made in the USA, feel free, but a lot of damn good bikes come from Asian factories.

I in no way meant to infer that quality bikes aren't made in china or taiwan. I simply mean that the cheap TREKS which suck are made there and the higher end bikes are made in the USA and have better components. You won't find an off the shelf Trek with high quality components on one of their foreign manufactured frames. Thats all.

I in no way meant to infer that quality bikes aren't made in china or taiwan. I simply mean that the cheap TREKS which suck are made there and the higher end bikes are made in the USA and have better components. You won't find an off the shelf Trek with high quality components on one of their foreign manufactured frames. Thats all.

ah k, gotcha, my bad.

Can you stop treating this guy seriously long enough to realize he needs meds? Seriously. He's not rational. Let it go.

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He's either a master troll or completely off his rocker. Personally I think he dreams of a bike like this......

http://www.thirdwave-websites.com/bike/060316-trek830-rear-lights-flag.jpg

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Personally I think he dreams of a bike like this......

http://www.thirdwave-websites.com/bike/060316-trek830-rear-lights-flag.jpg

Don't we all dream of a bike like that???

10 years from now, "Made in Taiwan" will be the new "Made in Japan."

And for that matter, "Designed in India" will be the new "Engineered in Germany."

At any rate, the only way to determine if a frame or component is made well is to actually look at it closely. Bikes aren't like computers or stereo equipment. The quality is in plain view, if you know what to look for.

It's that way now. Japan has been outsourcing factories to Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, Philippines, USA for years and years. They've moved into China and Vietnam. The Taiwanese are moving production to China and Vietnam.

And don't forget Alabama. Toyotas, Hondas, Hyundais, Mercedes, and soon, VW's will be made here. Not to mention Airbus.

My '95 Honda actually had more American made, American assembled parts in it than my bosses Cadillac.

Don't we all dream of a bike like that???

I know I do.

Usually it's being ridden by an elderly man with my mother's face and a long white beard. The details vary but I usually wake up right before he skid-stops into my genitals.

I don't know what it means...

It's that way now. Japan has been outsourcing factories to Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, Philippines, USA for years and years. They've moved into China and Vietnam. The Taiwanese are moving production to China and Vietnam.

And don't forget Alabama. Toyotas, Hondas, Hyundais, Mercedes, and soon, VW's will be made here. Not to mention Airbus.

My '95 Honda actually had more American made, American assembled parts in it than my bosses Cadillac.


I meant in terms of the perception of quality associated with a "Made in..." label. As I'm sure you know, "Made in Japan" was perceived as an indicator of low quality until the early 80s, when it rapidly came to mean the opposite. Now as Taiwan is moving beyond offering just skilled labor many people predict it will follow the same path.

But you're totally right about outsourcing/offshoring. It goes both ways, and all ways. It's the only way to stay competitive, and all economies will benefit as long as their laborers/designers/engineers are competently trained, educated, and up to date.

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He's either a master troll or completely off his rocker. Personally I think he dreams of a bike like this......

http://www.thirdwave-websites.com/bike/060316-trek830-rear-lights-flag.jpg

You got to love the utility riders frugality and creativity.

Looks like the things on the handlebars keep the hands warm- is that a commerically made item? Just curious, don't need them in Dallas right now.

Looks like the things on the handlebars keep the hands warm- is that a commerically made item? Just curious, don't need them in Dallas right now.

I've definitely seen commercial hand covers before. Don't know if they are the ones in the picture, but they are available.

but a lot of damn good bikes come from Asian factories.My trek isnt one of them.


ou won't find an off the shelf Trek with high quality components on one of their foreign manufactured frames. Thats allI wish I knew the difference.


This adequately and completely sums up this guy's mentality.Yes creative,remember macgyver(tv show)?My cone wrenches are stronger than those cheap aluminum ones.


Every bike should be cheap and high quality and never breakYes they shouldnt break but they should be allowed to wear out,moving parts anyway.


$200 on repairs to the Trek, I only spent $20.00 for a new coaster brake hub for the bike and $10.00 for a new seat,I did it myself.No pimple faced, droopy eyed teenager is touching my bike.


and $100 on the new WalMart bike. Expect repairs on that.
I plan to rebuild it,just a turn of a few wrenches and screwdriver.Repack the bearings with grease(cone wrenches and cresent wrench and freewheel remover(one piece crank you know) and adjust the brakes and deraillure(wrench and screwdriver)After 1000 miles my bearings were dry anyway.

Simple.If you have enough brains to turn wrenches.

(assuming your lookin for a hybrid)

I hate hybrids and mountain bikes,knobby tires and thin tires are gay,real men ride fat tires,and they let their chain rust.

So real men like inefficiency and not taking care of their stuff? I didn't know that. You must be the smartest guy in the world.

Real men know satire when they see it.