availpunk9
05-26-08, 02:41 PM
Can I please get access to the women's forum. I just purchased my wife a TREK WSD and need input on saddle recommendations.
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East Hill
05-26-08, 02:42 PM
Your wife can get access, but unfortunately, you cannot :( .
Perhaps I can help?
Send me a PM!
East Hill
Perhaps I can help?
Send me a PM!
East Hill
donnamb
05-26-08, 02:43 PM
If she would like to join Bike Forums and have access, she is welcome to send me a PM.
blonduathlongrl
05-26-08, 07:36 PM
Can I please get access to the women's forum. I just purchased my wife a TREK WSD and need input on saddle recommendations.
it's hard to pick a saddle of choice for your wife since that will have to be determined by her and her own experience on one.
You can also post your question in the road forum, that gets ask quite often. I myself love the terry butterfly and it has gotten great reviews by many. There are woman who frequent the road forum as well and have different opinions about what saddle works best for them.
doesnt hurt to ask in the road forum and if you do a search you will see that this topic has been covered in there and find other opinions
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good luck and happy riding with your wife!
it's hard to pick a saddle of choice for your wife since that will have to be determined by her and her own experience on one.
You can also post your question in the road forum, that gets ask quite often. I myself love the terry butterfly and it has gotten great reviews by many. There are woman who frequent the road forum as well and have different opinions about what saddle works best for them.
doesnt hurt to ask in the road forum and if you do a search you will see that this topic has been covered in there and find other opinions
.
good luck and happy riding with your wife!
Catweazle
05-26-08, 10:16 PM
Serious questions here.
Firstly, why is it necessary to even have a 'Women's forum'? If it's misogyny being countered then surely the creation of a 'women only zone' is little other than an exercise in back-handedly endorsing the misogyny, rather than addressing and combatting it? There's no suggestion, far as I can see, to have 'exclusive' zones for ethnic, religious or other sub-groups within the forum community. Prejudice and negativity of that nature is considered undesirable behaviour, as it should be, and I'd have thought misogyny would be subject to the same sort of principles in the way it was addressed.
Secondly, even if it's deemed appropriate to have a 'Women's section' why would it be relevent to place 'Which saddle should my wife use?" questions there? Should we perhaps also have a 'Men's section', so the consideration of saddles can be hidden from view in case they slip into being discussion of the comfort of one's 'private parts'? Such topics often do, on this board, and I've not seen any indication that it's undesirable for them to so so.
As said, serious question. I don't think that the presence and maintenance of a 'Women's section' is necessarily a 'good thing', and I'm not a bloke who is ignorant of the issues, concerns and considerations of women in today's world. I'd love to hear more of the reasoning and purpose seen in relation to it here.
Firstly, why is it necessary to even have a 'Women's forum'? If it's misogyny being countered then surely the creation of a 'women only zone' is little other than an exercise in back-handedly endorsing the misogyny, rather than addressing and combatting it? There's no suggestion, far as I can see, to have 'exclusive' zones for ethnic, religious or other sub-groups within the forum community. Prejudice and negativity of that nature is considered undesirable behaviour, as it should be, and I'd have thought misogyny would be subject to the same sort of principles in the way it was addressed.
Secondly, even if it's deemed appropriate to have a 'Women's section' why would it be relevent to place 'Which saddle should my wife use?" questions there? Should we perhaps also have a 'Men's section', so the consideration of saddles can be hidden from view in case they slip into being discussion of the comfort of one's 'private parts'? Such topics often do, on this board, and I've not seen any indication that it's undesirable for them to so so.
As said, serious question. I don't think that the presence and maintenance of a 'Women's section' is necessarily a 'good thing', and I'm not a bloke who is ignorant of the issues, concerns and considerations of women in today's world. I'd love to hear more of the reasoning and purpose seen in relation to it here.
East Hill
05-26-08, 10:25 PM
As said, serious question. I don't think that the presence and maintenance of a 'Women's section' is necessarily a 'good thing', and I'm not a bloke who is ignorant of the issues, concerns and considerations of women in today's world. I'd love to hear more of the reasoning and purpose seen in relation to it here.
If you saw some of the topics we discuss, you would know why a Women's section exists. There are many women who would really rather not discuss extremely private matters in public. The forum exists for them.
East Hill
If you saw some of the topics we discuss, you would know why a Women's section exists. There are many women who would really rather not discuss extremely private matters in public. The forum exists for them.
East Hill
Catweazle
05-26-08, 10:44 PM
heh heh....
Not trying to deny that there could be good reason for it, East Hill, but that's not what I'm getting at here.
It took a member to explain that the topic could be posted in general sections of the forum, after the query was posted. Your own post and donnamb's post seemed to suggest that the bloke should be getting his wife to ask the question. Not intentionally, of course - the error is in the omission.
donnamb's comment wasn't:
"If your wife wants to discuss the matter in a manner not really intended for mixed company she can sign up and get access!"
Not trying to deny that there could be good reason for it, East Hill, but that's not what I'm getting at here.
It took a member to explain that the topic could be posted in general sections of the forum, after the query was posted. Your own post and donnamb's post seemed to suggest that the bloke should be getting his wife to ask the question. Not intentionally, of course - the error is in the omission.
donnamb's comment wasn't:
"If your wife wants to discuss the matter in a manner not really intended for mixed company she can sign up and get access!"
donnamb
05-26-08, 10:46 PM
Short answer: because some women post about cycling topics that they desperately need to learn more about but are completely irrelevant to men, or embarrass the heck out of them. The same subjects also seem to bring out the absolute worst in men who otherwise are perfectly well-behaved members. Why this is so I cannot tell you, but I have seen it happen on the general forums more than once and it's really not a pleasant experience for anyone. Rather than see lots of women defect en masse to a competing internet cycling forum that shall remain nameless, we have the Women's Forum. Some women never post there, while others use it when they need to. A very, very small number will not post any place else.
There are periodic discussions about a Men's Forum. Strangely enough, every single male moderator and administrator flat out refuses to have anything to do with such a forum. I have no idea why, though I'm sure they have their reasons.
There are periodic discussions about a Men's Forum. Strangely enough, every single male moderator and administrator flat out refuses to have anything to do with such a forum. I have no idea why, though I'm sure they have their reasons.
donnamb
05-26-08, 10:56 PM
Incidentally, whenever a female moderator comes across a guy looking for information on women's stuff, we create a link to the Women's Forum so that as many women as possible see it to post replies.
Catweazle
05-26-08, 11:07 PM
That's good and well, but it doesn't address the failure to point out to the bloke posting that the topic and question could be put in a general section and would be appropriate to have there.
East Hill
05-26-08, 11:22 PM
That's good and well, but it doesn't address the failure to point out to the bloke posting that the topic and question could be put in a general section and would be appropriate to have there.
Generally when a woman asks about saddles, she would like to hear from WOMEN who have ridden the saddles. Even when a male significant other is asking, he wants to hear from WOMEN. True, the General Cycling forum would generate some answers, but even when the OP has specifically asked that WOMEN only answer, men chime in. Sometimes the chiming is rude, sometimes it's even been quite offensive.
The above is not necessarily true in all cases, but it happens often enough that a decision was made to have a Women's Cycling forum.
When every man here does his part in unconditionally welcoming women to experience the joys of cycling, without harassment, then the Women's Cycling forum will no longer serve a purpose.
You can help by recognising misogyny when you see it, and perhaps even gently nudge the poster into a more helpful, welcoming attitude.
East Hill
Generally when a woman asks about saddles, she would like to hear from WOMEN who have ridden the saddles. Even when a male significant other is asking, he wants to hear from WOMEN. True, the General Cycling forum would generate some answers, but even when the OP has specifically asked that WOMEN only answer, men chime in. Sometimes the chiming is rude, sometimes it's even been quite offensive.
The above is not necessarily true in all cases, but it happens often enough that a decision was made to have a Women's Cycling forum.
When every man here does his part in unconditionally welcoming women to experience the joys of cycling, without harassment, then the Women's Cycling forum will no longer serve a purpose.
You can help by recognising misogyny when you see it, and perhaps even gently nudge the poster into a more helpful, welcoming attitude.
East Hill
Catweazle
05-26-08, 11:47 PM
When every man here does his part in unconditionally welcoming women to experience the joys of cycling, without harassment, then the Women's Cycling forum will no longer serve a purpose.
You can help by recognising misogyny when you see it, and perhaps even gently nudge the poster into a more helpful, welcoming attitude.
East Hill
Ain't going to happen, and it isn't realistic to expect that it ever would. Doesn't matter if it's misogyny or any other such 'unacceptable' behaviour. You're not going to change everybody's outlook, and you'll always strike people who step over the line of acceptability.
If it's not wanted here then don't tolerate it here. I, for one, am a bloke who doesn't think it really matters that the rest of a person's postings show "who otherwise are perfectly well-behaved members". That particular content - harrassment/prejudice etc toward women - is intolerable. Start addressing it head-on and I'll be happy to flag any such content I come across, but please don't suggest that it's all and only my responsibility to address the matter, because I'm a 'man'. That's unfair and it's also unrealistic.
It's a board supervision issue I'm seeing here, and what comes across as a failure to thus far confront it directly. I'd suspect there are quite a few other blokes around here who would think similarly, and who like me do not like seeing misogyny, racism or any other such intolerance, and who like me would be more than happy to flag unsavoury content in the event that genuine effort to eradicate it was made.
None of that, by the way, is an exercise in suggesting that a 'Women's section' would be or is unnecessary. It's all just saying that such a thing isn't the best way to address harrassment of women on the board. Fair enough to have a section for 'women only' discussion, but if it's a section which women perceive that they need to run to in order to avoid harrassment then that's surely an indication that not enough is being done to confront the harrassment occurring.
:D
You can help by recognising misogyny when you see it, and perhaps even gently nudge the poster into a more helpful, welcoming attitude.
East Hill
Ain't going to happen, and it isn't realistic to expect that it ever would. Doesn't matter if it's misogyny or any other such 'unacceptable' behaviour. You're not going to change everybody's outlook, and you'll always strike people who step over the line of acceptability.
If it's not wanted here then don't tolerate it here. I, for one, am a bloke who doesn't think it really matters that the rest of a person's postings show "who otherwise are perfectly well-behaved members". That particular content - harrassment/prejudice etc toward women - is intolerable. Start addressing it head-on and I'll be happy to flag any such content I come across, but please don't suggest that it's all and only my responsibility to address the matter, because I'm a 'man'. That's unfair and it's also unrealistic.
It's a board supervision issue I'm seeing here, and what comes across as a failure to thus far confront it directly. I'd suspect there are quite a few other blokes around here who would think similarly, and who like me do not like seeing misogyny, racism or any other such intolerance, and who like me would be more than happy to flag unsavoury content in the event that genuine effort to eradicate it was made.
None of that, by the way, is an exercise in suggesting that a 'Women's section' would be or is unnecessary. It's all just saying that such a thing isn't the best way to address harrassment of women on the board. Fair enough to have a section for 'women only' discussion, but if it's a section which women perceive that they need to run to in order to avoid harrassment then that's surely an indication that not enough is being done to confront the harrassment occurring.
:D
Dannihilator
05-27-08, 12:05 AM
There are periodic discussions about a Men's Forum. Strangely enough, every single male moderator and administrator flat out refuses to have anything to do with such a forum. I have no idea why, though I'm sure they have their reasons.
Nothing cycling related would be discussed in a Men's forum here.
Nothing cycling related would be discussed in a Men's forum here.
Tom Stormcrowe
05-27-08, 12:09 AM
and it would turn into a major "Sausagefest" and this would become unmanageable without strong sanctions being issued, and in the long run, that would be bad for the community as a whole.
Sixty Fiver
05-27-08, 01:53 AM
I can understand why there is a women's only forum... there is stuff we don't need to know and don't want to know.
availpunk - Unless you are a woman you aren't getting a key, but your wife can have one.
availpunk - Unless you are a woman you aren't getting a key, but your wife can have one.
East Hill
05-27-08, 07:55 AM
If it's not wanted here then don't tolerate it here. I, for one, am a bloke who doesn't think it really matters that the rest of a person's postings show "who otherwise are perfectly well-behaved members". That particular content - harrassment/prejudice etc toward women - is intolerable. Start addressing it head-on and I'll be happy to flag any such content I come across, but please don't suggest that it's all and only my responsibility to address the matter, because I'm a 'man'. That's unfair and it's also unrealistic.
It's a board supervision issue I'm seeing here, and what comes across as a failure to thus far confront it directly. I'd suspect there are quite a few other blokes around here who would think similarly, and who like me do not like seeing misogyny, racism or any other such intolerance, and who like me would be more than happy to flag unsavoury content in the event that genuine effort to eradicate it was made.
The responsibility is not solely on your shoulders, but your assistance in helping is invaluable. Feel free to hit the 'report this post' at any time.
I am puzzled as to why would you think that there is not an interest in eradicating this type of behaviour?
Once again, any time you see behaviour which strikes you as unsavoury, please speak up on behalf of our community. It benefits all of us when someone takes the time, and makes the effort to take a stand.
East Hill
It's a board supervision issue I'm seeing here, and what comes across as a failure to thus far confront it directly. I'd suspect there are quite a few other blokes around here who would think similarly, and who like me do not like seeing misogyny, racism or any other such intolerance, and who like me would be more than happy to flag unsavoury content in the event that genuine effort to eradicate it was made.
The responsibility is not solely on your shoulders, but your assistance in helping is invaluable. Feel free to hit the 'report this post' at any time.
I am puzzled as to why would you think that there is not an interest in eradicating this type of behaviour?
Once again, any time you see behaviour which strikes you as unsavoury, please speak up on behalf of our community. It benefits all of us when someone takes the time, and makes the effort to take a stand.
East Hill
Catweazle
05-28-08, 12:25 AM
I am puzzled as to why would you think that there is not an interest in eradicating this type of behaviour?
Please don't get me wrong, East Hill. That's not really what I've been saying. I was trying to draw out comment indicating whether or not the provision of a 'women's section' is seen as (in part at least) a mechanism for protecting women against prejudice, harrassment and negativity on this board, and if so trying to point out that it's an approach which skirts around the issue rather than confronts it.
That's all. We're pointed at the same station here. We're just sitting in different trains! :D
Please don't get me wrong, East Hill. That's not really what I've been saying. I was trying to draw out comment indicating whether or not the provision of a 'women's section' is seen as (in part at least) a mechanism for protecting women against prejudice, harrassment and negativity on this board, and if so trying to point out that it's an approach which skirts around the issue rather than confronts it.
That's all. We're pointed at the same station here. We're just sitting in different trains! :D
Little Darwin
06-05-08, 04:55 PM
I don't usually come down into the News & Suggestions section.
I agree that a men's only forum would be an area I wouldn't even bother with... there is too much testosterone rich content in some of the forums already. I also have no conceptual problem with a women's only area, although I must admit to being curious at times and would like to venture in just to see what is happening in there... I do agree that it is somewhat shameful that some women do feel unsafe in the general areas. But, on a positive note, I do think, whether just my perception or reality, that I see a few more females in the general population now than when I first joined... Not enough, but a little better.
However, my real curiosity is...
What would the moderators' view be in general to general disrespect being flagged by users? I am not talking about obvious name calling...
Frankly, to take just the first three that come to mind... if one were to flag every post in certain forums that had misogynistic, homophobic or racist comments, the moderators could be quickly overwhelmed.
Of course, I would assume that a certain number of posts reported would lead to no action, but they would still take a small amount of a moderator's time.
In thinking about it as I type this message, I must admit, I feel that I haven't done my job as a forum member in flagging messages I have found offensive.
But, sometimes I can get carried away... If I start flagging messages, can I count on a moderator gently pulling me to the side and letting me know if I go overboard? I am definitely not a prude, nor into thought control, but I do agree that some of what is discussed (or how it is discuessed) in these forums is not productive to cycling.
I agree that a men's only forum would be an area I wouldn't even bother with... there is too much testosterone rich content in some of the forums already. I also have no conceptual problem with a women's only area, although I must admit to being curious at times and would like to venture in just to see what is happening in there... I do agree that it is somewhat shameful that some women do feel unsafe in the general areas. But, on a positive note, I do think, whether just my perception or reality, that I see a few more females in the general population now than when I first joined... Not enough, but a little better.
However, my real curiosity is...
What would the moderators' view be in general to general disrespect being flagged by users? I am not talking about obvious name calling...
Frankly, to take just the first three that come to mind... if one were to flag every post in certain forums that had misogynistic, homophobic or racist comments, the moderators could be quickly overwhelmed.
Of course, I would assume that a certain number of posts reported would lead to no action, but they would still take a small amount of a moderator's time.
In thinking about it as I type this message, I must admit, I feel that I haven't done my job as a forum member in flagging messages I have found offensive.
But, sometimes I can get carried away... If I start flagging messages, can I count on a moderator gently pulling me to the side and letting me know if I go overboard? I am definitely not a prude, nor into thought control, but I do agree that some of what is discussed (or how it is discuessed) in these forums is not productive to cycling.
Peedtm
06-05-08, 05:18 PM
LD,
Those reports are said to be anonymous so no, no one will check you.
edit: hehe. Never mind. I thought I remembered the report box having a message saying your report will remain anonymous (that msg is changed or never was,) but I suppose all that means is that your reports will not be made public.
Those reports are said to be anonymous so no, no one will check you.
edit: hehe. Never mind. I thought I remembered the report box having a message saying your report will remain anonymous (that msg is changed or never was,) but I suppose all that means is that your reports will not be made public.
donnamb
06-06-08, 04:49 AM
But, sometimes I can get carried away... If I start flagging messages, can I count on a moderator gently pulling me to the side and letting me know if I go overboard?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
ribbitmemories
12-21-08, 08:17 PM
I am new to the forums and would like to have access to the Womens forum.
Dawn :)
Dawn :)
Sixty Fiver
12-21-08, 08:22 PM
I am new to the forums and would like to have access to the Womens forum.
Dawn :)
I let Siu know of this... she has spare keys.
Dawn :)
I let Siu know of this... she has spare keys.
Siu Blue Wind
12-21-08, 08:32 PM
I'll work on that, Dawn. And welcome to Bike Forums!! :)
steveknight
12-21-08, 08:35 PM
hiding womens issues from men just promotes problems. ignorance and fear are what causes the problems.
Sixty Fiver
12-21-08, 08:41 PM
I'll work on that, Dawn. And welcome to Bike Forums!! :)
And besides being pretty... and my little sister...she's fast.
"hiding womens issues from men just promotes problems. ignorance and fear are what causes the problems. "
Ya know... there are many things that women just don't like discussing with every guy on the inter web and we just have to respect that.
And besides being pretty... and my little sister...she's fast.
"hiding womens issues from men just promotes problems. ignorance and fear are what causes the problems. "
Ya know... there are many things that women just don't like discussing with every guy on the inter web and we just have to respect that.
Siu Blue Wind
12-21-08, 10:19 PM
hiding womens issues from men just promotes problems. ignorance and fear are what causes the problems.
If you'd like to discuss women's monthly issues then I think you wouldn't really qualify to comment unless you are experiencing the same problems or using the same products.
If you'd like to discuss women's monthly issues then I think you wouldn't really qualify to comment unless you are experiencing the same problems or using the same products.
ricebowl
12-21-08, 10:38 PM
Awww now I want a sweet and cuddly men's only forum free of misandry even more.
When every man here does his part in unconditionally welcoming women to experience the joys of cycling, without harassment, then the Women's Cycling forum will no longer serve a purpose.
You can help by recognising misogyny when you see it, and perhaps even gently nudge the poster into a more helpful, welcoming attitude.
East Hill
When every man here does his part in unconditionally welcoming women to experience the joys of cycling, without harassment, then the Women's Cycling forum will no longer serve a purpose.
You can help by recognising misogyny when you see it, and perhaps even gently nudge the poster into a more helpful, welcoming attitude.
East Hill
Rollfast
12-22-08, 05:15 AM
If you'd like to discuss women's monthly issues then I think you wouldn't really qualify to comment unless you are experiencing the same problems or using the same products.
And be willing to go get whatever at Walmart at 2 am while they are stripping the floors in Grocery.
And be willing to go get whatever at Walmart at 2 am while they are stripping the floors in Grocery.
tjwarren
01-05-09, 11:01 AM
If you'd like to discuss women's monthly issues then I think you wouldn't really qualify to comment unless you are experiencing the same problems or using the same products.
I'm sorry, but I have to agree with steveknight.
Some men can't handle menstruation? So we're going to, what, "protect" them from that? And I'm not qualified to say that my wife loved her Keeper when she used it, and that she prefers cloth pads to disposable maxi-pads?
I have a wife and two daughters. In addition to biking, I also like to hike. Having access to women's forums relating to hiking helps clue me in to some of those special "issues" that women run across that I may not think of otherwise. Sure, my wife *could* join bikeforums to discuss handling her cycle while on tour, but she's not already a member and she's not likely to become one just for that.
I'd also be extremely interested to know what sort of test can be accurately applied across an anonymous medium to verify that someone's a female!
I'm sorry, but I have to agree with steveknight.
Some men can't handle menstruation? So we're going to, what, "protect" them from that? And I'm not qualified to say that my wife loved her Keeper when she used it, and that she prefers cloth pads to disposable maxi-pads?
I have a wife and two daughters. In addition to biking, I also like to hike. Having access to women's forums relating to hiking helps clue me in to some of those special "issues" that women run across that I may not think of otherwise. Sure, my wife *could* join bikeforums to discuss handling her cycle while on tour, but she's not already a member and she's not likely to become one just for that.
I'd also be extremely interested to know what sort of test can be accurately applied across an anonymous medium to verify that someone's a female!
Tom Stormcrowe
01-05-09, 02:07 PM
We do the best we can, part of the reason we require a 30 day post history so we can make the best judgment call possible.
Rollfast
01-12-09, 03:39 AM
I'm sorry, but I have to agree with steveknight.
Some men can't handle menstruation? So we're going to, what, "protect" them from that? And I'm not qualified to say that my wife loved her Keeper when she used it, and that she prefers cloth pads to disposable maxi-pads?
I have a wife and two daughters. In addition to biking, I also like to hike. Having access to women's forums relating to hiking helps clue me in to some of those special "issues" that women run across that I may not think of otherwise. Sure, my wife *could* join bikeforums to discuss handling her cycle while on tour, but she's not already a member and she's not likely to become one just for that.
I'd also be extremely interested to know what sort of test can be accurately applied across an anonymous medium to verify that someone's a female!
Most of the time you can go by a NAME? when they register. This is where being an administrator would become handy?
And while I am quite familiar with women's monthly things myself and had a girlfriend die of breast cancer in 1995 and also understood some concepts related to female cancers and such at the age of nine, I have to say that the women's forum is in no way, shape or form a reverse title IX or an equality issue.
Let the women discuss among themselves, it's a great thing and a break from the other parts of BF. Let me ask you, how many women post in TC or the rest of the lounge anyhow?
If your wife wanted to become a member not only is she quite welcome I think that she too would not find this a trophy issue.
Thank you for writing.
Some men can't handle menstruation? So we're going to, what, "protect" them from that? And I'm not qualified to say that my wife loved her Keeper when she used it, and that she prefers cloth pads to disposable maxi-pads?
I have a wife and two daughters. In addition to biking, I also like to hike. Having access to women's forums relating to hiking helps clue me in to some of those special "issues" that women run across that I may not think of otherwise. Sure, my wife *could* join bikeforums to discuss handling her cycle while on tour, but she's not already a member and she's not likely to become one just for that.
I'd also be extremely interested to know what sort of test can be accurately applied across an anonymous medium to verify that someone's a female!
Most of the time you can go by a NAME? when they register. This is where being an administrator would become handy?
And while I am quite familiar with women's monthly things myself and had a girlfriend die of breast cancer in 1995 and also understood some concepts related to female cancers and such at the age of nine, I have to say that the women's forum is in no way, shape or form a reverse title IX or an equality issue.
Let the women discuss among themselves, it's a great thing and a break from the other parts of BF. Let me ask you, how many women post in TC or the rest of the lounge anyhow?
If your wife wanted to become a member not only is she quite welcome I think that she too would not find this a trophy issue.
Thank you for writing.
Siu Blue Wind
01-13-09, 11:08 PM
Some women feel more comfortable discussing women issues with women.
And no, we can't always go by a name. For the longest time I was thought to be a man...
And no, we can't always go by a name. For the longest time I was thought to be a man...
Rollfast
01-16-09, 11:09 AM
Some women feel more comfortable discussing women issues with women.
And no, we can't always go by a name. For the longest time I was thought to be a man...
That's right, and we can just continue to talk about bearings and fat tires and who's doped at TdF this year etc. Nobody is plotting war on us there or you wouldn't know what hit you :rolleyes::roflmao2:
And no, we can't always go by a name. For the longest time I was thought to be a man...
That's right, and we can just continue to talk about bearings and fat tires and who's doped at TdF this year etc. Nobody is plotting war on us there or you wouldn't know what hit you :rolleyes::roflmao2:
Siu Blue Wind
01-16-09, 12:22 PM
Shh. You are letting out our secrets..
Rollfast
01-19-09, 06:20 AM
(sorry) :)
nkuvu
03-18-09, 10:06 PM
I have to say I'm disappointed in this whole concept.
When I meet someone new, and they happen to be female, I don't make assumptions about their behavior. But assumptions about my behavior have been made before I even signed up. I can't possibly control myself and act maturely -- due to my gender.
Do you not understand how insulting that is? I would expect that women would understand this problem all too well. Personally I go out of my way to not make assumptions about people -- especially not based on gender.
The excuse of "well sometimes women prefer to talk to other women" is pretty flimsy. Because of course the converse can't possibly be true. Further, if I engage in misogynistic behavior in the normal forum (which obviously I can't resist -- see: male) I expect that a moderator will deal with it. That level of moderation is impossible in the women's forum, I imagine.
I started visiting the forum a bit last year. A few months in, I learned about the Women's Forum, and the mere fact that it exists bothers me, for the reasons I've listed here. I stopped visiting the site mostly due to this. I'd forgotten about the whole thing until this evening.
It's a shame, too, because I did enjoy the site. But I can't stomach misandry any more than I can stomach misogyny. Thanks for all the fish.
When I meet someone new, and they happen to be female, I don't make assumptions about their behavior. But assumptions about my behavior have been made before I even signed up. I can't possibly control myself and act maturely -- due to my gender.
Do you not understand how insulting that is? I would expect that women would understand this problem all too well. Personally I go out of my way to not make assumptions about people -- especially not based on gender.
The excuse of "well sometimes women prefer to talk to other women" is pretty flimsy. Because of course the converse can't possibly be true. Further, if I engage in misogynistic behavior in the normal forum (which obviously I can't resist -- see: male) I expect that a moderator will deal with it. That level of moderation is impossible in the women's forum, I imagine.
I started visiting the forum a bit last year. A few months in, I learned about the Women's Forum, and the mere fact that it exists bothers me, for the reasons I've listed here. I stopped visiting the site mostly due to this. I'd forgotten about the whole thing until this evening.
It's a shame, too, because I did enjoy the site. But I can't stomach misandry any more than I can stomach misogyny. Thanks for all the fish.
10 Wheels
03-18-09, 10:16 PM
The womens' forum showed upon my screen last week.
I made some posts.
You ain't missing anything there.
I made some posts.
You ain't missing anything there.
chipcom
03-18-09, 10:19 PM
The womens' forum showed upon my screen last week.
I made some posts.
You ain't missing anything there.
I hear there is a wine machine, free truffles and POOL BOYS!
I made some posts.
You ain't missing anything there.
I hear there is a wine machine, free truffles and POOL BOYS!
CbadRider
03-18-09, 10:27 PM
I have to say I'm disappointed in this whole concept.
When I meet someone new, and they happen to be female, I don't make assumptions about their behavior. But assumptions about my behavior have been made before I even signed up. I can't possibly control myself and act maturely -- due to my gender.
Do you not understand how insulting that is? I would expect that women would understand this problem all too well. Personally I go out of my way to not make assumptions about people -- especially not based on gender.
The excuse of "well sometimes women prefer to talk to other women" is pretty flimsy. Because of course the converse can't possibly be true. Further, if I engage in misogynistic behavior in the normal forum (which obviously I can't resist -- see: male) I expect that a moderator will deal with it. That level of moderation is impossible in the women's forum, I imagine.
I started visiting the forum a bit last year. A few months in, I learned about the Women's Forum, and the mere fact that it exists bothers me, for the reasons I've listed here. I stopped visiting the site mostly due to this. I'd forgotten about the whole thing until this evening.
It's a shame, too, because I did enjoy the site. But I can't stomach misandry any more than I can stomach misogyny. Thanks for all the fish.
Take a look at the second post in this thread about cycling skirts:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=516677&highlight=skirt
Posts like those aren't going to get someone banned, but they certainly detract from the thread. If this thread had been posted in the women's forum there would not have been any juvenile comments, only constructive ones.
When I meet someone new, and they happen to be female, I don't make assumptions about their behavior. But assumptions about my behavior have been made before I even signed up. I can't possibly control myself and act maturely -- due to my gender.
Do you not understand how insulting that is? I would expect that women would understand this problem all too well. Personally I go out of my way to not make assumptions about people -- especially not based on gender.
The excuse of "well sometimes women prefer to talk to other women" is pretty flimsy. Because of course the converse can't possibly be true. Further, if I engage in misogynistic behavior in the normal forum (which obviously I can't resist -- see: male) I expect that a moderator will deal with it. That level of moderation is impossible in the women's forum, I imagine.
I started visiting the forum a bit last year. A few months in, I learned about the Women's Forum, and the mere fact that it exists bothers me, for the reasons I've listed here. I stopped visiting the site mostly due to this. I'd forgotten about the whole thing until this evening.
It's a shame, too, because I did enjoy the site. But I can't stomach misandry any more than I can stomach misogyny. Thanks for all the fish.
Take a look at the second post in this thread about cycling skirts:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=516677&highlight=skirt
Posts like those aren't going to get someone banned, but they certainly detract from the thread. If this thread had been posted in the women's forum there would not have been any juvenile comments, only constructive ones.
Sixty Fiver
03-18-09, 11:10 PM
I cannot understand why anyone would get their skivvies in a knot because, as a man, you can't access the women's forum.
The women who can't get access because they are new members complain less than the men.
And now I need to know how one becomes a pool boy.
The women who can't get access because they are new members complain less than the men.
And now I need to know how one becomes a pool boy.
nkuvu
03-18-09, 11:49 PM
If this thread had been posted in the women's forum there would not have been any juvenile comments, only constructive ones.
Ahh. The misandry continues. Women are perfect, all hail the female.
I'm sorry I don't qualify for your standards. As you can clearly see from my posting history, everything I write is juvenile and sexist.
I cannot understand why anyone would get their skivvies in a knot because, as a man, you can't access the women's forum.
Obviously I wasn't clear enough. The fact that there's a women's forum at all, and not a men's forum, is part of the issue.
Consider this. If the forum had a men's section that disallowed women, but did not have a women's section, you think this would be nifty and fair?
But seriously, if what I've written so far hasn't changed any minds, nothing I write after this is going to help. So continue on your merry way, I'm sure it won't be a problem when I leave.
Ahh. The misandry continues. Women are perfect, all hail the female.
I'm sorry I don't qualify for your standards. As you can clearly see from my posting history, everything I write is juvenile and sexist.
I cannot understand why anyone would get their skivvies in a knot because, as a man, you can't access the women's forum.
Obviously I wasn't clear enough. The fact that there's a women's forum at all, and not a men's forum, is part of the issue.
Consider this. If the forum had a men's section that disallowed women, but did not have a women's section, you think this would be nifty and fair?
But seriously, if what I've written so far hasn't changed any minds, nothing I write after this is going to help. So continue on your merry way, I'm sure it won't be a problem when I leave.
Tom Stormcrowe
03-19-09, 01:26 AM
The access rules aren't going to change. The Women's Forum is going to remain a closed access forum. If you want a secret Men's Forum, there is a route for you to do this....you can either upgrade to Titanium Status, and start a men's Social Group that is closed and invitation only, or get a Ti member to do so, and invite you to it. Now, I am closing this thread, since there really isn't going to be any real purpose in keeping it open.
Tom Stormcrowe
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Tom Stormcrowe
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