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DXchulo
05-26-08, 05:39 PM
I don't know if I'm stupid or if I have a sensitive stomach (maybe both), but I cannot seem to figure out how to get enough calories without upsetting my stomach. The good news is that I can do a 6-hour ride without problems. I can drink and eat anything I want. I may feel bad towards the end, but I can finish the ride. I actually think I could do a century on water alone, but I haven't been stupid enough to try that yet.

The problem is that after 6 hours my mistakes catch up with me, which means that (a) I didn't eat enough and I run out of energy or (b) my stomach starts feeling queasy like I just ate all of my Easter candy at once. I can ride with legs afire and an open sore on my taint, but there's something about a queasy stomach that I just can't seem to push through.

I used to eat an energy bar every hour. That gave me enough calories, but led to problem (b).

I used to drink Gatorade, but I gave it up because I heard it can lead to problem (b). I tried PowerBar's sun tea flavored drink because it's not so sweet and the main ingredient is maltodextrin, not sucrose. I was happy with it for short time, but problem (b) came back. That led me to Clif's drink (main ingredient: organic brown rice syrup solids). The problem with Clif is that the drink, much like Clif gels, tastes like crap.

What other drinks can I try?

I tried to go on gels plus alternating bottles of water and sports drink. That left me feeling both a little hungry and a little sick to my stomach.

In the sin of all sports-nutritional sins, Pepsi is almost a performance-enhancing drug to me. The caffeine does wonders and, even though it seems more sugary than any of the drinks mentioned above, I can drink it and my stomach isn't bothered one bit. The funny thing is that I do not drink it in my everyday life and haven't for years, but I crave it on long, hot rides.

Lately I've been trying just plain old water plus solid food. I really like crackers, but 5 are only worth 60 calories. I only have 3 pockets, so I can't carry a whole box of crackers. I was alternating sweet foods with salty crackers yesterday and it seemed to help.

Can I get enough electrolytes from solid food when it finally gets hot out there? Crackers have sodium and the friendly banana has potassium, right?

Have any of you guys ever dealt with a queasy stomach? How did you solve the problem?

dobovedo
05-26-08, 05:50 PM
I ride centuries all the time on nothing but Propel for electrolytes. No sugar = happy stomach. On very long days or very hot days it's one bottle with Propel and one with Cytomax and take equal drinks of both.

For solid food on the bike, or at quick stops, I prefer Nutrigrain bars to sports bars. Although they are lower in calorie content they are nice and soft and go down easy. The other thing I like, and has higher calories, is fig newtons... although half the cookie part usually ends up crumbling and falls on the ground, down my jersey, into my gloves, etc.

Machka
05-26-08, 07:09 PM
Yes, I've had a terrible time with my stomach over the years. Here's my secret ........


....... nibble.

DO NOT eat an energy bar once an hour all at once ... eat an energy bar over the period of an hour, one little bite at a time.

Experimenting with food to find out what works for you (for me it's oatmeal raisin or chocolate chip cookies rather than energy bars), and Zantac also help.

zagnut
05-26-08, 08:52 PM
Try something like Accelerade, or maybe Perpetuem. I found that filling a 24 oz bottle by mixing 12oz water with one scoop Accelerade and 12 oz water with one scoop of Gatorade is just about right for me. That allows me to lay off the solids except for maybe one Cliff bar and or a couple of GUs for a Century. It's much easier on the stomach to absorb liquids.

Zagnut

bobbycorno
05-26-08, 09:13 PM
IME, it takes a lot of time, trial and error to find what works for you on longer rides. This year, I've settled on Cytomax and Clif Shot Bloks while riding, and "real food" every few hours at break time. F'rinstance, on the 600k brevet this past weekend I consumed somewhere around 4 liters of pink lemonade Cytomax, a whole bunch of Clif Bloks of assorted flavors, several Pepsis, a few bags of assorted chips, a couple bottles strawberry Nesquik (at 400 calories per), a Jimmie Dean egg and sausage breakfast biscuit, a steak and egg breakfast burrito, half a ham and cheese sandwich, some coffee, a few cans of V8 (lotsa fluid, carbs and electrolytes), a cheeseburger (great ride food!), a strawberry shake, a bowl of pasta w/chicken and vegies, and a bunch more stuff I can't recall. A guy I've ridden with swears by corndogs and biscuits and gravy. One thing is key: keep eating while you ride. Not keeping up the calorie intake is my #1 cause of upset stomach, which makes it harder to keep eating, which leads to more upset stomach....

And btw, a lot of people swear by specific product which I absolutely cannot stand: Perpetuem gives me stomach cramps, Accelerade is just too nasty to even swallow, and Gatorade is WAAAAY too acidic for me. Just shows to go ya, ya gotta find what works for YOU. Good luck.

SP

c0urt
05-26-08, 09:21 PM
meth.......?

the powdered Gatorade is better for you than the liquid stuff in stores. try that instead, it may work better. doesnt have high fructose corn syrup, has real sugar in it.

i prefer the power bar harvest bars myself . but yeah, lots and trial and error. everyone's stomach is different.

the upset stomach isnt so much of an issue to me. it is the fact I get light headed and it lowers my seizure threshold once my sodium gets low and my blood sugar gets low. so i have to be aware of that sorta thing on centuries

burritos with lots of rice are awesome to

zagnut
05-26-08, 10:25 PM
Perpetuem seems to engender a lot of debate. Some people swear by it, others swear at it. It's been described to me as being better than wallpaper paste, but not quite as good as pancake batter. On another forum one wag said that after many trials with the stuff he found the secret. He mixes Perpetuem 50/50 with Kerosene. According to him, the Kerosene doesn't do anything for endurance or electrolyte balance, but it sure makes the Perpetuem taste better.

Zagnut

Machka
05-26-08, 10:25 PM
And btw, a lot of people swear by specific product which I absolutely cannot stand: Perpetuem gives me stomach cramps, Accelerade is just too nasty to even swallow, and Gatorade is WAAAAY too acidic for me. Just shows to go ya, ya gotta find what works for YOU. Good luck.

SP

+1 I'm with you!!

I'd have to be at death's door from starvation to try Accelerade again. And Gatorade's sugar content is too much for me ... it gives me mouth sores.

CliftonGK1
05-26-08, 11:01 PM
+1 I'm with you!!

I'd have to be at death's door from starvation to try Accelerade again. And Gatorade's sugar content is too much for me ... it gives me mouth sores.

Hehehe, such a polarized subject.

I get pukey from Hammer products, but Accel products are my mainstay on centuries. Orange Creamsicle Accelerade (with caffeine) and Accel Gels, supplemented with Clif Bars.
The caffeine isn't for staying awake (like on a 24 hour event); it's just so I can get away with not having my morning cup of coffee so I'm not racing the clock to the first rest stop.

Toddorado
05-27-08, 02:05 AM
Accelrade rocks my world, but for food I found this recipe in Bicycling for these sweet potato/tuna or chicken/black bean burritos. Sure keeps ya going, but it doesn't taste like much.

papawizo
05-27-08, 07:20 AM
I've tried perpetuem, Spiz, and at some level found them lacking. My most successful plan was my recent 600k, last weekend in Oregon. I use a product called CarbPro 1200. On line order only. One bottle of liquid is 1200 cal. It mixes instantly, not like powders. In a camel back I mix it 2:1 and it works for 6 or more hours. I carried two more bottles with me for the first day. At a local Fred Meyers in the bins I found an energy cube. It is 70 cal per square. I eat them very consistently. It works for me. I can't handle sugars on a bike...bad....I have also gotten sick when I've lost my electrolytes and my body couldn't process water/liquid calories well. I have to take endurolytes or else\

CliftonGK1
05-27-08, 09:36 AM
I've tried perpetuem, Spiz, and at some level found them lacking. My most successful plan was my recent 600k, last weekend in Oregon. I use a product called CarbPro 1200. On line order only. One bottle of liquid is 1200 cal. It mixes instantly, not like powders. In a camel back I mix it 2:1 and it works for 6 or more hours. I carried two more bottles with me for the first day. At a local Fred Meyers in the bins I found an energy cube. It is 70 cal per square. I eat them very consistently. It works for me. I can't handle sugars on a bike...bad....I have also gotten sick when I've lost my electrolytes and my body couldn't process water/liquid calories well. I have to take endurolytes or else\

Where do you order Carb Pro? I remember talking about it at the Daffodil Classic, but I can't seem to find anyplace to order it.

cccorlew
05-27-08, 10:10 PM
I just did a double century and almost lived on Perpetuem (1 cliff bar, a peanut butter sandwich and a couple of fig bars is all I ate anyway) . But it does taste like mud. I mix it with HEED and it doesn't taste so bad. I actually almost learning to like it.

prestonjb
05-27-08, 10:42 PM
I use to be on the scientific kick but when I rode across the USA unsupported and very fast (averaged 120 miles/day) was when I learned that with proper discipline and listening to my body that I could sustain on all that exists in a 7-eleven.

The key is to be willing to mix up the choices when you body gets tired of something.

Because I only carry two bottles on most rides, I usually find that I kinda stock-pile at the stops on liquids. Typically I carry two 24 oz bottles so at a stop I get a 32 oz water, a 32oz gatoraide and fill the bottles and then drink the remaining. Then I usually down a 20oz soda being either Mt Dew or Pepsi and sometimes I'll drink diets if I want to regulate sugar intake.

In the morning I'll tend to get mini- powdered or chocolate doughnuts... In the noon-afternoon I'll get snickers bars and apple-pies.

The perpe-u-aide-hammer-gel crowd gives me the weird looks... My buddy Henrik says to look out when I switch from diet drinks to mountain Dew... As I will probably pick up my speed.

Also I tend to buy a few bars... Like perhaps a snickers bar and a butter-finger bar... And when I drop to the back I'll nibble on one or the other.

For lunch and dinner and such I'll stop at subway or wendys (though a local establishment is my choice with the rule that I don't want to get stuck waiting to eat)... I usually find that meats are easier to eat than carbs (and probably a better choice on longer rides).

On 400k+ rides I also tend to drink a small amount of milk as this tends to sooth the stomach should it get upset... Sips and nibbles are the way to go.... To big bites while riding can upset the stomach and too much liquids can cause back-wash and a bloated feeling...

Now while I condemed gels and such before, I will admit that I sometimes start off carrying like 4 gel packs because they are easy to carry and esp easy to open and consume on the bike. I typically do this in case I need to eat esp during the beginning of the ride when the groups tend to be larger and as backups in case I can't find a store soon enough...

Machka
05-27-08, 11:01 PM
but when I rode across the USA unsupported and very fast (averaged 120 miles/day) was when I learned that with proper discipline and listening to my body that I could sustain on all that exists in a 7-eleven.

The key is to be willing to mix up the choices when you body gets tired of something.

For lunch and dinner and such I'll stop at subway or wendys (though a local establishment is my choice with the rule that I don't want to get stuck waiting to eat)... I usually find that meats are easier to eat than carbs (and probably a better choice on longer rides).

Sips and nibbles are the way to go.... To big bites while riding can upset the stomach and too much liquids can cause back-wash and a bloated feeling...

Now while I condemed gels and such before, I will admit that I sometimes start off carrying like 4 gel packs because they are easy to carry and esp easy to open and consume on the bike. I typically do this in case I need to eat esp during the beginning of the ride when the groups tend to be larger and as backups in case I can't find a store soon enough...

+1!!

I too am a convenience store connoisseur. :)

Convenience stores vary, but you can often find the following ...

-- salted almonds (great for electrolytes, protein, and carbs)
-- potato (and other) chips (electrolytes, fat, and carbs)
-- beef jerky (electrolytes, protein)
-- pastries of various sorts, such as the mini donuts, etc. (carbs & fat)
-- cookies - those big ones that travel well in a Bento bag (carbs)
-- burritos and/or pizza pops - they are usually frozen or in a cooler and need to be heated up (electrolytes, protein, carbs, and fat))
-- bananas or other fruit, or possibly fruit roll-ups or some sort of dried fruit (electrolytes, carbs)
-- cup soups, esp. chicken noodle, the 'add hot water' type (electrolytes, carbs)

And some convenience stores have little food bars in them where you can get pizza, chicken, breaded potatoes, and stuff like that. On my 200K (the Red Deer 200K), there are three such convenience stores. I go for pizza at the first of those three. :D

On the bicycle I have one bottle with water and one with HEED, but at the stops, I'll drink ... 100% pure orange juice for a while, then I might venture into orange pop and iced tea, and occasionally I'll go for a coke. As long as it isn't water or HEED.

thebulls
05-28-08, 12:43 PM
One question for the OP: How hard are you riding? I ask, because the harder you ride, the harder it can be to get enough (any) calories down without queasy stomach issues. And how hot is it, since heat has similar effects?

If you're riding at an average pace of 10mph for 6 hours, that's only 60 miles, barely qualifying for the long distance forum :-) At that pace, over smooth terrain, I would think that you could probably eat whatever normal food you might otherwise have been eating that day.

But if you're finishing a century over mountainous terrain in 6 hours, then my hat's off to you, and it's no wonder you are having trouble getting the calories down.

Anyway, for rides of between 100 and 125 miles, I'll usually carry two or three 5-ounce flasks of hammergel, three peanut-butter-and-jam sandwiches, and five or six energy bars (mostly the Luna bars, which actually taste decent for the most part). I'll typically eat all of the sandwiches, one or two of the hammergels, and one or two of the energy bars. But you can never tell what will be appealing, and there have been rides where the sandwiches are revolting and I've eaten all of everything else. After experimenting with Perpetuem, HEED, etc., I've ended up being happiest with Lion's Juice (as my dad used to call water). I take Endurolytes if my legs are feeling crampy, and in the heat will sometimes eat salt pills as well.

At convenience/fast-food stores, I tend to be partial to donuts/muffins, pizza, cheeseburgers, coke or Gatorade, and the occasional candy bar. Potato chips always seem like a good idea but I just don't seem to like eating them. Same with nuts, even though most of the time I like them.

Nick

10 Wheels
05-28-08, 01:58 PM
I don't know if I'm stupid or if I have a sensitive stomach (maybe both), but I cannot seem to figure out how to get enough calories without upsetting my stomach. The good news is that I can do a 6-hour ride without problems. I can drink and eat anything I want. I may feel bad towards the end, but I can finish the ride. I actually think I could do a century on water alone, but I haven't been stupid enough to try that yet.

The problem is that after 6 hours my mistakes catch up with me, which means that (a) I didn't eat enough and I run out of energy or (b) my stomach starts feeling queasy like I just ate all of my Easter candy at once. I can ride with legs afire and an open sore on my taint, but there's something about a queasy stomach that I just can't seem to push through.

I used to eat an energy bar every hour. That gave me enough calories, but led to problem (b).

I used to drink Gatorade, but I gave it up because I heard it can lead to problem (b). I tried PowerBar's sun tea flavored drink because it's not so sweet and the main ingredient is maltodextrin, not sucrose. I was happy with it for short time, but problem (b) came back. That led me to Clif's drink (main ingredient: organic brown rice syrup solids). The problem with Clif is that the drink, much like Clif gels, tastes like crap.

What other drinks can I try?

I tried to go on gels plus alternating bottles of water and sports drink. That left me feeling both a little hungry and a little sick to my stomach.

In the sin of all sports-nutritional sins, Pepsi is almost a performance-enhancing drug to me. The caffeine does wonders and, even though it seems more sugary than any of the drinks mentioned above, I can drink it and my stomach isn't bothered one bit. The funny thing is that I do not drink it in my everyday life and haven't for years, but I crave it on long, hot rides.

Lately I've been trying just plain old water plus solid food. I really like crackers, but 5 are only worth 60 calories. I only have 3 pockets, so I can't carry a whole box of crackers. I was alternating sweet foods with salty crackers yesterday and it seemed to help.

Can I get enough electrolytes from solid food when it finally gets hot out there? Crackers have sodium and the friendly banana has potassium, right?

Have any of you guys ever dealt with a queasy stomach? How did you solve the problem?

+1 on Pepsi. I ride with a group that used to kick my butt on the last 15 miles of a 75 mi ride. Now with a Pepsi I leave them in the dust.
Try these for eating on the bike. 140 calories, each an a light foil wrapper. Differnt flavors. Find them at Kroger in the breakfast section. Drink powdered Gatorade, Mix it to your liking.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/10wheels/bikefood.jpg

mattm
05-28-08, 02:11 PM
+1 to convenience stores - i don't want to rely on things that will run out after 300k or so.

for instance on my last 400k i ate/drank:

* chocolate milk (2)
* v8 juice (2)
* payday candybar (peanut + caramel) (3)
* ice cream sandwhich (1)
* home-made bean/cheese/rice burritos (2)
* fig newtons
* chips (salty ones of course)
* #3 from mc'd's (dbl-qtr pounder w/ cheese, super sized)

and i had three bottles on my bike, two with plain water and one with either water or coke in it.

i haven't tried the perpetu-gels yet, but while they sound enticing i don't want to have to haul around a bunch of specialized goods, e.g. powder/gel.

it's the same with my LD bike: use common-off-the-shelf parts, and your chances of fixing your rig on the road are much better. kind of the same with food i think.

having said all of this, i still got an upset stomach on the 400k, so i'm still ironing out what works for me. but i do know that cold choclolate milk really hits the spot on a hot day!

spokenword
05-28-08, 04:53 PM
while I'm also fond of foraging through convenience stores, I will say that I do like having Sustained Energy and/or other forms of compact food available for night riding. It's enough of a psychological challenge to ride through midnight, tired and alone; and it can be worse when you're starting to get hungry and realizing that there isn't a store open for the next 40 miles or so.

So, personally, I carry a small reserve of gels and a 2 cup bag of Sustained Energy for most of my distance rides, and while I'll go on real food for most the day, I'll keep the Sustained Energy around for the midnight hour.

I've also found that Sustained Energy normally agrees with me fine, but that I do get a little nauseous if I have it soon after having coffee, so I try to avoid mixing the two. However, as the thread indicates, all of our experiences vary.

Machka
05-28-08, 06:34 PM
One additional benefit to getting used to convenience store food on long rides is that you can travel the western world (Europe, Australia, NA) and find the same or similar food in most little grocery stores or convenience stores.

So you don't have to be faced with a whole new selection of food ... and you don't have to hunt for Hammer Nutrition products or whatever your powdered product of choice is.

spokenword
05-28-08, 09:34 PM
One additional benefit to getting used to convenience store food on long rides is that you can travel the western world (Europe, Australia, NA) and find the same or similar food in most little grocery stores or convenience stores.

So you don't have to be faced with a whole new selection of food ... and you don't have to hunt for Hammer Nutrition products or whatever your powdered product of choice is.

I think that, in general, if one chooses to use liquid food like Perpetuem or Accelerade, you always need to pack enough for the distance that you expect. Never assume that you're going to replenish enroute. If you're lucky and you're riding in your home country, you'll pass a bike shop or runners store with familiar energy gels, but that sort of coincidence is pretty rare.

Though, on that note, there's a new 'health-conscious fast food' chain in the Northeast US known as KnowFat, that has a sideline trade in nutritional supplements. Most of the branches that I've visited do stock large jars of Perpeteum and/or Accelerade. I've also seen Endurolytes for sale at Whole Foods. However, again, the chances of encountering these sorts of places on a brevet can be rather rare, so it's best to pack what you need.

ericgu
05-28-08, 10:12 PM
I don't know if I'm stupid or if I have a sensitive stomach (maybe both), but I cannot seem to figure out how to get enough calories without upsetting my stomach. The good news is that I can do a 6-hour ride without problems. I can drink and eat anything I want. I may feel bad towards the end, but I can finish the ride. I actually think I could do a century on water alone, but I haven't been stupid enough to try that yet.

The problem is that after 6 hours my mistakes catch up with me, which means that (a) I didn't eat enough and I run out of energy or (b) my stomach starts feeling queasy like I just ate all of my Easter candy at once. I can ride with legs afire and an open sore on my taint, but there's something about a queasy stomach that I just can't seem to push through.

I used to eat an energy bar every hour. That gave me enough calories, but led to problem (b).

I used to drink Gatorade, but I gave it up because I heard it can lead to problem (b). I tried PowerBar's sun tea flavored drink because it's not so sweet and the main ingredient is maltodextrin, not sucrose. I was happy with it for short time, but problem (b) came back. That led me to Clif's drink (main ingredient: organic brown rice syrup solids). The problem with Clif is that the drink, much like Clif gels, tastes like crap.

What other drinks can I try?

I tried to go on gels plus alternating bottles of water and sports drink. That left me feeling both a little hungry and a little sick to my stomach.

In the sin of all sports-nutritional sins, Pepsi is almost a performance-enhancing drug to me. The caffeine does wonders and, even though it seems more sugary than any of the drinks mentioned above, I can drink it and my stomach isn't bothered one bit. The funny thing is that I do not drink it in my everyday life and haven't for years, but I crave it on long, hot rides.

Lately I've been trying just plain old water plus solid food. I really like crackers, but 5 are only worth 60 calories. I only have 3 pockets, so I can't carry a whole box of crackers. I was alternating sweet foods with salty crackers yesterday and it seemed to help.

Can I get enough electrolytes from solid food when it finally gets hot out there? Crackers have sodium and the friendly banana has potassium, right?

Have any of you guys ever dealt with a queasy stomach? How did you solve the problem?

First question: How much are you trying to eat per hour? Most people can only tolerate 200-250 cal/hour, and if you get much more than that you are going to get an upset stomach. That's not a lot of food.

As others noted, this is very much a personal thing, especially the hydration drink.

I use Accelerade as my base calories, and I usually want something bland to go with it. For me that means fig newtons, bagels, or somethng like that, but not a lot.

Whether you get enough electrolytes when you're sweating a lot depends upon how well trained you are (people used to sweating a lot sweat out less salt), how much salt you get in your diet, and your genetics. The answer for me is a rousing "no", so I take salt tablets with me (succeed e-tabs). Hammer's eloctrolyte pills are basically useless because they have very little sodium in them, and too much other electrolytes. I also use jerky, which can give you a gram of salt in a package.

StephenH
05-28-08, 11:57 PM
We lived in Colorado for several years, and I had the opportunity to do quite a bit of hiking in the mountains. One of the things I learned about second-hand was altitude sickness. Altitude sickness can have several symptoms but one of the things that happens is that oxygen gets diverted away from the digestive organs to other more critical parts of the body, so food doesn't digest, which leads to stomach upset. In your case, it may not be altitude-related but sounds like possibly a similar thing due to the sustained exertion. With the altitude sickness, it's unrelated to fitness, it's just a matter of different people's bodies doing different things. It never bothered me, but did bother a super-buff friend that I went hiking with a few times. Anyway, if it is similar, what works for other people may not work for you- try and see. Slowing down or taking longer rest breaks may be the solution, though probably not what you want to do.

Side note- the story goes that a guy going up Longs Peak was leaning over a ledge upchucking. Another guy asks, "What's the matter, weak stomach?" First guy says, "Nope, reckon I'm chucking it as far as anybody."

maxine
05-30-08, 09:59 AM
I have a hard time chewing and swallowing while I'm on the bike (although Machka's advice of taking tiny mouse-sized bites has helped :)) so I rely a lot on liquid calories. I've had pretty good luck with Ensure. 250 calories per 8-oz serving, with carbs, protein, fat -- like an actual meal -- and more sodium than Gatorade; not real thick; inoffensively bland in taste; relatively cheap; and you can usually find it in U.S. drug or grocery stores.

wagathon
05-30-08, 11:16 AM
Problem solved: beer and peanuts.

CliftonGK1
05-30-08, 12:52 PM
Problem solved: beer and peanuts.

:thumb: :beer: :thumb:

papawizo
05-31-08, 08:52 AM
Check out carbopro 1200. I used 3 bottles as a major calorie source on a 600k.
http://www.bulkinup.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=270&HS=1
No powdery clumps. I add to this other small bite size energy squares of one source or another. Fred Meyers carries an energy cube found in the health food bins. 70 calories each one.

Hammertoe
05-31-08, 08:18 PM
I use a different Carbo-Pro...

http://www.nvo.com/sportquestdir/pages/store/skudetail.nhtml?profile=products&uid=1000&catuid=2000&returnURL=http%3A//www.nvo.com/sportquestdir/products/category.nhtml%3Fcatuid%3D2000

I had stomach issues with HEED and I am lactose intolerant which eliminated a lot of the drinks with protein...

My coach turned me on to Carbo-Pro. It is clean carbs, medium and long chain...

I mix it with Coke or Root Beer to add some simple chain sugars as well...

Add some salt or Elete and it is a complete electrolyte/carb replenisher...

I heat the soda, dissolve the Carbo-Pro, and add the Elete...

I can cram 600+ calories in one gel flask...

Carry two and thats 1200+ of carbs on hand...

I also bring a PBJ, Fig Newtons, or Power Bar if I think I will need something solid in my belly...

papawizo
06-01-08, 09:13 AM
regarding the powdered carbo pro....does it mix or does it lump up. I used to make perpetuem in a flask and make it into a paste. How similar in texture is it. Currently I dump a bottle of liquid in a camelback and add 2x water. It holds for 6 hours. I still need some other figs or small bite foods. But it works.

Hammertoe
06-01-08, 01:54 PM
The Carbo-Pro does not lump at all. Quickly dissolves in any liquid I have used it in...

I heat the solution if I am going to need to supersaturate it with a lot of powder...

The end result is always a smooth "gel"...something thicker than water but not as thick as a prepackaged gel...

The Coke or Root Beer give nice flavor because the plain Carbo-Pro is has very little taste...

You can also use Kool-Aid for flavor or for extra electrolytes Ultima which I have found also gives it a nice flavor...

prestonjb
06-01-08, 03:56 PM
not to start a flame... nick what does speed have to do w long distance? perhaps if the title was randonneuring or ultra marathon cyling... but its not :)

Treker
06-06-08, 11:30 AM
What about vitamins, in other words, anti-oxidants?

I see lots of great tips on snacking but must have missed those that extol the virtues and importance of ingesting sufficient amounts of vitamins when embarked on long endurance rides. From what I've read, the huge increase of oxygen intake over extended periods preciptiates the creation of 'free radicals', essentially electrons ripped away from their original cells, that in themselves can cause damage to neighbouring cells. I also understand that they're effectively neutralized by anti-oxidants.

Hydrade, my sports drink of choice, in addition to containing numerous other electrolytes and vitamins, contains 1000mg of Vitamin C in the recommended two scoops per 750ml.

I know we're all built different but I can't help but think that if one's body gets low on some essential elements in the early stages of dehydration, how easily that could lead to other issues like muscle fatigue or upset tummy etc.