Foo - Saddam Hussein Captured!

Watch the news!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=3&u=/ap/20031214/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saddam_world_4

yeah I saw that. All that accomplishes is giving George Bush a meaningless election year barganing chip.

There are plenty of people left who wish to blow up other people.

Sorry, I'm getting cynical in my old age and I'm deathly afraid Bush might get reelected.

Perhaps a bit more significant accomplishment is the great potential that millions of Iraqis will be able to publicly express their deathly fear that their current head of state will be reelected and it will not be literal.

so... what happens now?

it's pretty obvious that w will want hussein to stand trial for something [whatever that is]. will he refer the case to the hague or, generally to the un? i doubt it. w has shown how much he values the us and the international community, besides, that would be the smart thing to do.

more likely, hussein will be brought to a military court and found guilty. or, more accurately, found guilty and brought to a military court. my guess is that he will be executed.

this will blow up in w's, washington's america's and the western world's face. what troubles me is that i will probably be living in the us when it happens.

Yep, and the Democrats might as well throw this election year to the crapper!http://www.my-smileys.de/kloguck_2.gif

:D:D:D

GWB is daman!

http://www.my-smileys.de/00001655.gif Saddam!

GWB is daman!

And it only took 9766 Iraqi civilian deaths to get him! What a man indeed! The world is a safer place with jr. in control!

Yep, and the Democrats might as well throw this election year to the crapper!http://www.my-smileys.de/kloguck_2.gif

:D:D:D

GWB is daman!

http://www.my-smileys.de/00001655.gif Saddam!

Waow, and we all thought Saddam was the evilest man...

woke up this morning (creaky and totally unwell from the cold) and saw the news; first muddled reaction: Well, that's it. They don't have WMD. If they did, the loyalists would've used 'em in reaction to this.

9766 Iraqi civilian deaths. How many of our men and women have died? In the math of these things, each death is supposed to save more lives than it ended, but did they? Are they? Who can say? Who could say, before all this began? No-one. But I wouldn't have taken those odds in Vegas.

Listen, if someone could convince me there was a direction I could point a rifle and hit an actual participant in the terrorist process, I'd pull the trigger. I own guns and I have a 2nd degree black belt and I have a generally dim view of human nature, in extremis, but neither have I ever struck anyone in anger nor have I ever been in a fight. In my 32 years I've never found a reason important enough to convince me to hurt someone. That's not to say there never could be, but nothing's ever convinced me of one so far. That's certainty.

But there's no certainty here, and there never really will be. It takes only a second for someone over there to say or do something in support, but then they can fade back into Stone Age obscurity.

What did Colin Powell say once? Wars are begun by politicians but ended by soldiers.

What was that line in The Once and Future King? the young Arthur (the Wart) said that fighting was grand and knightly, and the goose said, That is because you are a baby.

What was that line in The Lord of the Rings? Faramir says, "I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend." But he was still a Captain in the Guard of his country, and there will always be a need for such.

I suppose life will always be like this.

"Only the dead have seen an end to war." (somewhat hazily attributed to Plato, though it doesn't appear in any of the Dialogues.)

bleah,

alex.

CBC: "U.S. officials said they confiscated $750,000 US in $100 bills, two AK-47 guns and a pistol." <--- WTF?
Hasn't Saddam ever seen Scarface?
"SAY HELLO TO MY LIL FRIEND!"

ummm... goodcatjack... the invasion of iraq was launched to protect america and the world from hussein's weapons of mass destruction [of which he had none, it seems], and not to press the "war on terrorism." no one has ever established a link between hussein and al quaida.

you still wanna shoot someone?

[frightening world where lines from second-rate fantasy novels are quoted as a moral justification of anything... can you repeat it in elvish?:)]

This is kind of a dark thread, getting Saddam is a great thing, I would have prefered Osama but what can you do? I still think we have proof that Saddam had WMDs but can not show it because the proof is copy of the reciept from when Regan sold them to Saddam. I still do not buy that we attacked because of a threat from Saddam to us or any one else other than Iraqis themselves.

hey velocipedio, I don't wanna shoot *any*body. is that all you got out of all that I wrote? if it sounds like I'm triggerhappy, let me clear that up. I don't even kill bugs in the house if I can just sweep them out the door. it was an expression of frustration with uncertainty.

as far as our reasons for going in, the search for WMD seemed to me to be part and parcel of the so-called WOT. correct me if I'm wrong.

as far as my quotes, they were the first words I recalled that resonated with what my heart was telling me. nothing second rate about that, thank you very much.

I've always respected what you had to say and read your posts with interest, but I always seem to rub you the wrong way. I don't know what I'm doing, but I think you've got me all wrong. I'm just saddened and frustrated with so much I'm seeing going on in the world, and I have a hard time deciding on what I think are good, intelligent solutions. can we agree on that?

Ob-la-dee, ob-la-da . . .

-alex.

Since Sadaam has been in power, he has killed at least 300,000 of his own people. I guess we still should not have gone to Iraq. We should have just felt sorry for them. A dictator in power for 23 years. That seems okay too. Sometimes action is the only resolve.

Well....hey now!
Now that we got 'im,
he'll tell us where Osama is....
right?

Well....hey now!
Now that we got 'im,
he'll tell us where Osama is....
right?

Yeah, and while Saddam was found bearded and scruffy, expect to find a clean-shaved Ossama in military uniform :D

ummm... goodcatjack... the invasion of iraq was launched to protect america and the world from hussein's weapons of mass destruction [of which he had none, it seems], and not to press the "war on terrorism." no one has ever established a link between hussein and al quaida.

you still wanna shoot someone?

[frightening world where lines from second-rate fantasy novels are quoted as a moral justification of anything... can you repeat it in elvish?:)]

There is a former Iraqi artillery colonel who was an intelligence source prior to the war. He stated, once privately and once publicly, that "special weapons" were delivered by the Fedayeen Saddam to front line troops for use against the coalition. These "special" or "secret" weapons were had CBW, aka WMD, warheads. They were collected by the Fedayeen quickly as it became obvious that the end was near.

Of course, this information was never given any play in the U.S. media as it would destroy one of the cudgels with which the left and their willing accomplices in the media use to beat Bush.

.Of course, this information was never given any play in the U.S. media as it would destroy one of the cudgels with which the left and their willing accomplices in the media use to beat Bush.
Are you a McCarthy descendant? The paranoia in your latest posts is frickin' hilarious. And chalk this up as "Ad Hominem" or "Straw Man" or "Riverdance Theorem" if you wish and debase my tactics or whatever it is you do to better your arguments (and yes, I know which type of Fallacy this is; no need to WOW me with your textbook definitions anymore). I'll sleep well either way.

Since our troops are over there, I'm glad they've captured him. I have a hope(probably not realized) it will stop the bloodshed of our troops. He apparently murdered many Iraqis. Let them hold him accountable.
I would rather see GW reelected :cry: than see more of our troops die. Yeah, he put us there(never should have). Now, let's do the best we can to fix their country up physically and get the hell out. It is still their country.

Anyone ever hear that song off of Rush's first album, "Finding My Way." It sounds like he is singing the lyrics, "Hussein, I'm comin' out to get you. Oooh Saddam, I'm coming out to find you. Oooh yeah, oooh yeah, finding my way..."

Prophetic, or just unintelligible?

seems to me that, with a u.s. occupation force prowling the country, and with a white house eager to justify it's adventure, they would have found -- and announced -- something. maybe i'm just wrong. maybe the u.s. army is just incompeten6t.

goodcatjack - my apologies. i overreacted to your post.

bbarend - i'd hate to be the guy who yells "source," but... source? do those 300,000 iraqis include the iraqi soldiers who died in the war with iran?

my problem with the capture of hussein goes like this... washington has a problem right now. there is little doubt that hussein will be tried for something. in the best of all possible worlds, the case would be referred to the hague. i doubt that will happen, considering washington's attitude toward the un.

that leaves two other options: 1. trial in/by the u.s. by a military court [there is no civilian jurisdiction here, so it would have to be a military court]. 2. trial in iraq, by the u.s. puppet government.

either way, it could not be a fair trial. the verdict would be in before the court was in session. such is always the way with show trials. he will probably be executed, since the u.s. cannot risk having him around, unless they're planning to add him to their deposed dictator collection. ["manuel, meet saddam..."]

my gut feeling is that the trial will start in late october.

i have no particular love for hussein. i do bristle at the unsubstantiated allegations that he was somehow complicit in september 11, and i am quite appalled by the lack of evidence that the u.s. has dug up to justufy its war. remember, the war was begun not to free the iraqi people, but to prevent iraq from stockpiling weapons of mass destruction.

i am also dismayed at the extension of the american imperium. washington's attitude is that it can wage an agressive and unprovoked war against any country whose policies or whose leaders it opposes.

as for the media being leftist media accomplices... i left journalism after more than a decade mainly because i found that the profession had become completely uncritical, more of a marketing/pr operation for corporate capitalism and the right wing than a tribune of the people.

Of course, this information was never given any play in the U.S. media as it would destroy one of the cudgels with which the left and their willing accomplices in the media use to beat Bush.
so... how do you know about it? are you an [portentious whisper:] insider?

That p***y! He still should have did the decent thing and went out in a hail of bullets. That's all I have to say.

He deserves a bullet or perhaps some vx gas not a trial. Get real people.

nice to see that there is such a strong respect for international law down south sam.

Thanks! I find international law is normally a bunch of procedural somantics anyway. And it is the lack of any real power or authority of this so called international law that allowed SH to continue his business as usual with his people for 12 years.

Trust me, if America is flushed down the toilet it will be done legally.

this, by the way, is why most of the world hates the united states. long live the imperium!

I am pleased he was captured. I think this will be a moral boost for our troops first and foremost. Secondly, I am happy for the Iraqui people. Being under the threat of such a vial dictator is one thing NO ONE should have to bear.

I do think that the attacks will become more frequent and more "panicked" as the remaining loyalist continue to fight. However, it is my hope that Iraqui civilians NOW will cooperate more with the soldiers and give better intel, now that the overpressing fear has been removed.

As far as his trial. I see it becoming WAY too PC and him being given to the UN or some other International body. My concern is that he ISN'T prosecuted to the intent he should be.

Now, as far as him being responsible for 9-11, he isn't no one said he was. What his tie to Osama was is as a financial backer. This has been known for years. He is also known as a financial backer of the Palestines. Now that he is captured the US can celebrate as well as the Israelies.

L8R

this, by the way, is why most of the world hates the united states. long live the imperium!

And who said we are here to please everyone else?

I like getting along with others but I don't lose sleep over it if I don't.

Yeh They got him....

I must say! I felt just a tiny twinge of sympathy at the pathetic bedragled pictures of him on tv...
And what were they pocking around in his Beard and mouth for? Maybe looking for "Weapons of Mass Destruction". They certainly hav`nt found any, any where else........

Yeh They got him....

And what were they pocking around in his Beard and mouth for?

WOPD: Weapons of Plaque Destruction.

And what were they pocking around in his Beard and mouth for?

I thought that 20 seconds or so of video being endlessly looped was interesting. That clip was chosen very deliberately. It makes Saddam look weak, submissive and small. The (unidentified) US personnel picking through his hair implies that Saddam is louse ridden. Getting poked in the mouth with a stick and a flashlight tells the world "Saddam is my b*tch."

Are you a McCarthy descendant? The paranoia in your latest posts is frickin' hilarious. And chalk this up as "Ad Hominem" or "Straw Man" or "Riverdance Theorem" if you wish and debase my tactics or whatever it is you do to better your arguments (and yes, I know which type of Fallacy this is; no need to WOW me with your textbook definitions anymore). I'll sleep well either way.

McCarthy?
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

Probably either the leading or second leading devil of the left! When all else fails, accuse a political opponent of being McCarthy-like!

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

Are you a McCarthy descendant? The paranoia in your latest posts is frickin' hilarious. And chalk this up as "Ad Hominem" or "Straw Man" or "Riverdance Theorem" if you wish and debase my tactics or whatever it is you do to better your arguments (and yes, I know which type of Fallacy this is; no need to WOW me with your textbook definitions anymore). I'll sleep well either way.

Try this on for size.....

Informer affirms 'secret weapon'
By Con Coughlin
SUNDAY TELEGRAPH

BAGHDAD — An Iraqi colonel has revealed how he passed top-secret information to British intelligence warning that Saddam Hussein had deployed weapons of mass destruction that could be used on the battlefield against coalition troops in less than 45 minutes.

Local commanders were told that they could use the weapons only on the personal orders of Saddam. "We were told that when the war came we would only have a short time to use everything we had to defend ourselves, including the secret weapon," he said.

The only reason they were not used, Col. al-Dabbagh said, was because the bulk of the Iraqi army did not want to fight for Saddam. "The West should thank God that the Iraqi army decided not to fight," he said.

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20031207-120104-6986r.htm

And it is the lack of any real power or authority of this so called international law that allowed SH to continue his business as usual with his people for 12 years.

You sure it wasn't the terror he was able to instill in Iraq with the weapons (including biologicals) and money the US had been supplying him with for the previous 10 years before Gulf War 1?

-s

Try this on for size.....


I imagine that the reason it isn't getting much play in the news is that there isn't any proof there. It amounts to one guy who is currently employed by the Iraqi Governing Council (read Puppet government) claiming to have said that Iraq had the ability to deploy battlefield biologicals. We've know that they had biologicals for awhile. We supplied them with the ingredients and lab equipment to make them.

-s

For Christmas, I'll be giving Saddam a jail cell (He'll like it. It's bigger than his spider hole.), a trial (It's more than he deserves.) and a big stocking full of coal!

Now the rest of you play nice. Don't pout. Don't cry. Don't shout and don't call each other names. Or else you will all be banished to the Political Forum.

There is a former Iraqi artillery colonel who was an intelligence source prior to the war. He stated, once privately and once publicly, that "special weapons" were delivered by the Fedayeen Saddam to front line troops for use against the coalition. These "special" or "secret" weapons were had CBW, aka WMD, warheads. They were collected by the Fedayeen quickly as it became obvious that the end was near.

Of course, this information was never given any play in the U.S. media as it would destroy one of the cudgels with which the left and their willing accomplices in the media use to beat Bush.

So what happened to these "special weapons"? They just disappeared?
We've certainly spent enough time and money by now to have found something. And yet, we've found nothing.

Admit it, Bush lied to us.

Admit it, Bush lied to us.

At least he didn't get a *******, and then lie so his wife wouldn't find out! Now that would really be wrong! ;)

Try this on for size.....

Informer affirms 'secret weapon'
By Con Coughlin
SUNDAY TELEGRAPH

BAGHDAD — An Iraqi colonel has revealed how he passed top-secret information to British intelligence warning that Saddam Hussein had deployed weapons of mass destruction that could be used on the battlefield against coalition troops in less than 45 minutes.

Local commanders were told that they could use the weapons only on the personal orders of Saddam. "We were told that when the war came we would only have a short time to use everything we had to defend ourselves, including the secret weapon," he said.

The only reason they were not used, Col. al-Dabbagh said, was because the bulk of the Iraqi army did not want to fight for Saddam. "The West should thank God that the Iraqi army decided not to fight," he said.

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20031207-120104-6986r.htm

And we all know we can believe everything that comes out of the mouths of the Iraqi military. Again, where is this "secret weapon"?

For Christmas, I'll be giving Saddam a jail cell (He'll like it. It's bigger than his spider hole.), a trial (It's more than he deserves.) and a big stocking full of coal!

Now the rest of you play nice. Don't pout. Don't cry. Don't shout and don't call each other names. Or else you will all be banished to the Political Forum.

Hey Santa, can I have some of what Trekrider is smoking?

Hey Santa, can I have some of what Trekrider is smoking?

Can you please try to raise the bar :rolleyes:

McCarthy?
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

Probably either the leading or second leading devil of the left! When all else fails, accuse a political opponent of being McCarthy-like!

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

like I said...if you want to continue this, use PM. I think everyone here has seen enough of this between you and me. And no hard feelings, I just like your more intelligent posts. KLind of hard to debase me with leftist logos when I am far from the left TrekRider.

Ok...

I know this thread is a repeat of the thread in the Politics and Religion forum, but since this thread was created at the same time as the one in the Politics and Religion Forum, I decided to let this thread stands, since there's no way someone who creates a thread in Foo who has no access to the Politics and Religion would know a thread with the same topic was created in the Politics and Religion Forum.

Having said this mouthful, I would ask that if you have access to the Politics and Religion forum, could you take your comments, arguments, insults ( ;) ), etc. to the Saddam captured thread in Politics and Religion, and if you do not have access to Politics and Religion, continue to post on this thread? I know those hotheads who are posting here are wreaking havoc on the tender-hearted, non-registered members who do not wish to subscribe to the Politics and Religion forum. :D Let's give them a break, ok? They aren't used to seeing our good-humored, yet thinly veiled, sarcastic comments over in this neck of the woods... ;)

Thanks!

Koffee B.

Mod squad

All I wonder is when is someone going to arrest Bush and his gang and put THEM on trials for crimes against humanity?

bbarend - i'd hate to be the guy who yells "source," but... source? do those 300,000 iraqis include the iraqi soldiers who died in the war with iran?



Yeah, some people think the Nazis didn't kill jews either. What proof do you need? Hundreds of mass graves and live video of him gasng the Kurds not enough? You liberals are all the same, constantly complaining but never offering a better solution. I thought you where the watchdogs for the oppressed? If Clinton had sent the troops into Iraq you would be singing his praises right now. But no Bush had to come in and clean up the mess left by the previous leadership who let Saddam go unchecked for 8 years.

So what happened to these "special weapons"? They just disappeared?
We've certainly spent enough time and money by now to have found something. And yet, we've found nothing.

Admit it, Bush lied to us.


Oh here we go. I can't count how many times I have heard this. About as many times I heard we would "never" find Saddam. :D

All I wonder is when is someone going to arrest Bush and his gang and put THEM on trials for crimes against humanity?

Yeah Bush is a lot worse than Saddam. :rolleyes:

Again, since we're there, glad they got the butcher. :D

So does anyone remember Idi Amen(sp). What about all the other butchers that exterminated thousands of people in their own countries. We didn't go in there cause they did it without threatening the world's oil supply.

Yeah, Bush lied. But it was political. Yeah, Clinton lied. But it was personal. Does lying whether political or personal make it any better? Neither. Still a lie!

Just why should we be the policemen of the world. I believe we need to guard our interests without violating a countries souverginity. Remember how many Iraqis there were on the planes on 9-11? Fight terrorism, yes ,but don't invade some country just to make you look better. But time will tell about that too.

Ok...

I know this thread is a repeat of the thread in the Politics and Religion forum, but since this thread was created at the same time as the one in the Politics and Religion Forum, I decided to let this thread stands, since there's no way someone who creates a thread in Foo who has no access to the Politics and Religion would know a thread with the same topic was created in the Politics and Religion Forum.

Having said this mouthful, I would ask that if you have access to the Politics and Religion forum, could you take your comments, arguments, insults ( ;) ), etc. to the Saddam captured thread in Politics and Religion, and if you do not have access to Politics and Religion, continue to post on this thread? I know those hotheads who are posting here are wreaking havoc on the tender-hearted, non-registered members who do not wish to subscribe to the Politics and Religion forum. :D Let's give them a break, ok? They aren't used to seeing our good-humored, yet thinly veiled, sarcastic comments over in this neck of the woods... ;)

Thanks!

Koffee B.

Mod squadWhy not close this one and / or merge it with the one in the proper section?

What about other butchers? The US has propped up dictators all over the world for years-Somoza, Pinochet, Salazar, Duvalier and numerous african despots. The only reason they wanted Hussein was because of oil and because he hadn't been put in place and supported by the CIA. Nearly everything that bush accuses Saddam of, he's guilty of as well, except maybe gassing little kids and women- that we know of. Lying to his own people, spending billions on an immoral war, sending teenagers to be cannon fodder, immense and unchecked greed and avarice, propagandizing his entire country to the point of infantilized delusion, silencing enemies and/or dissenters (maybe not executing them but there are other ways of silencing someone) and suspending the basic rights and liberties of the people. Saddam lived in a palace while people starved? Bush is a millionaire and wants to spend billions on a war which may drag on for years. Saddam is a rotten guy but I fail to see how bush and his cabal of scuzzbags are so much better for THEIR country. Oh yeah, I forgot. It's a democracy.