Mountain Biking - I pinch flatted another tubeless tire today...

On a freaking STAIR!! We were out riding on campus and I hit one too hard and didn't transfer my weight correctly and PSHHHHHHHHHHH. I was pleased that it held air at 20 PSI, though. Enough to get me back to the car so I could throw a tube in and continue riding. So once again, don't believe the BS about the risks of pinch flatting a tubeless tire. It sucks because the tire is now just an extremely heavy regular tubed tire. It's alright though since I got it for 25 bucks online :)

I'm still holding back on the tubeless. It's a good idea, but after I started seeing the MBA people pushing the Stan's stuff on top of running tubeless I figured they didn't have all the bugs worked out. I would rather have a normal tire and tube than a tubeless tire filled with all that goo. Stan's must really be spending a bunch of ad money at MBA ;)

You don't have to run the Stan's fluid if you dont want to. I've never had a puncture on tubeless tires, only pinch flats, and I dont think the fluid would have helped at all. I think for the bugs are worked out. If I'd have gotten a pinch flat on a conventional tire it would have been instantaneous, but with tubeless I had enough pressure to ride back to the car. Not to mention all I had to do to fix it was throw a tube in it and keep on riding. It's an awesome system. The only problems I've had were due to me riding poorly or running pressure too low.

Oh, and if it helps you any I've gotten 2 flats in over a year, and put thousands of miles on tubeless tires for the most part without any problems. It's a tough and reliable system. I think too many people are scared to try something new, but in this case even if you didn't like it you could just run conventional tubes again so it's worth a try. I've gotten less flats recently than ever before.

Tubeless tires add weight where it is most important to lose it. 200-400 grams on the average heavier than lightweight tires with tubes and that much weight out on the wheel makes a hell of a lot more difference than on the bike frame.

I shed a full pound off my scalpel with regular tires and tubes and I will soon get lighter non tubeless rims.

By the time you add a tube to the tire, the extra weight is negligible. An average XC tubeless tire weighs about 650 grams, and you don't need a tube. The reliablity and smooth, fast rolling of the system is well worth it in my opinion.

Higher end lightweight tires are between 450-550 grams and a light tube is around 65 grams where the light tubeless is 650 and some reach 800 or more. add the extra wheel material and boom. Extra weight where it hurts the most.

You've heard of the Crossmax SL wheelset right? So your extra wheel material is also negligible. You can even use the Stan's system and only pick up 50 grams. I think a 100 gram penalty is well worth the reliability and speed in my opinion. Have you ever ridden a tubeless tire? It's so fast and smooth it's not even funny!

Yep, I had tubeless tires as standard equipment on the scalpel and was unimpressed. I have gone back to the tubes and some l;ight tires and love em with a light wheelset that did not cost 850.00.

I looked at the Crossmax sl for 850 and to shave off 200 or so grams for double the price of my current wheelset will not yeild a proportinal amount of performance. Not to mention the extra expense of tubeless.

I am happy you like yours but I have not been as impressed.

On a freaking STAIR!! We were out riding on campus and I hit one too hard and didn't transfer my weight correctly and PSHHHHHHHHHHH. I was pleased that it held air at 20 PSI, though. Enough to get me back to the car so I could throw a tube in and continue riding.

Once again, Yes Tubes (http://www.yestubes.com) to the rescue.

Once again, Yes Tubes (http://www.yestubes.com) to the rescue.


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That was a riot!!

It would have been even worse if it hadn't been tubeless. Tubeless leaks WAY slower! I was able to ride half a mile back to my Jeep!!

It would have been even worse if it hadn't been tubeless. Tubeless leaks WAY slower! I was able to ride half a mile back to my Jeep!!

That is why I carry a spare tube. And if I have to carry a tube even if running tubeless in order to get a working repair that can be ridden hard then why not just stick with normal tires and tubes?

The whole deal just is not a working package for the everyday rider who is more interested in riding than headaches.

That is why I carry a spare tube. And if I have to carry a tube even if running tubeless in order to get a working repair that can be ridden hard then why not just stick with normal tires and tubes?

The whole deal just is not a working package for the everyday rider who is more interested in riding than headaches.


But that's the thing.. there have BEEN no headaches!! The system is extremely reliable and works well when run correctly. This situation is entirely my fault for running pressure too low! It's a bombproof system if you use it correctly. I've never had any conventional punctures whatsoever, and it's not from a lack of unforgiving conditions!!

But you see I did have a flat from a pucture and found out the hard way you don't re-seat the bead on the trail with a hand pump or co2.

Life sucked that day and I decided tubeless was useless for my riding. Especially after the 4 mile hike back to the truck.

I started using tubeless this year, and can't see ever going back. Flats are virtually a thing of the past now. However, the real advantage is the low air pressure one can run sans tubes. If you live in an area that gets muddy or slippery, the handling is far superior with a tubless set-up @ low air pressure.

You guys are gonna think I'm nuts but I run tubless tires with tubes! And I have never had a flat in 2 years!! I have run as low as 10psi to 50psi... listening to the rocks smack agains my rims and all... thorns and what not... My wheels are tanks! But hey I'm not racing on my trail bike... it does what I wnat it to... hammer threw ruff sections super hard and fast!

Seriously I have been soooo happy running this setup! If you're a weight weiney, then you'll hate it! But if you don't mind the extra weight... I say do it! You'll ride forever and be happy about it!

Who's fault is that?




Shoulda done the research!!

Does your momma know you talk like that on this here internet Jim?

I'm shocked!!!

I actually shied away from tubeless myself. Too much extra money, the damn tires are expensive compared to regular ones.

Tires aren't that expensive.. I bought my Comp S tires for 25 apiece...

Jim, I'm confused. Do you like your tubeless or not? You start a thread complaining about them and then defend them to no end. Which is it Lad? For God's sake make up your mind. (Think Sean Conery Voice)

L8R

Yeah, what he said. Indecision is a female trait Jim, you been hanging around with those college girls too much man! ;)

I guess I need to shop around a bit for tires at better prices.

Nah, tubeless tires are a good thing, but don't believe the hype about them being impervious to pinch flats. This is entirely user error, but I see tubeless tires marketted as being completely devoid of the possiblity that you could pinch flat, and it simply isn't true. I haven't had a single flat that couldn't have been avoided on tubeless tires if I'd have run a little more pressure given the conditions. As long as you run them correctly you won't have any problems at all.



And what's wrong with hanging out with college girls, Sam? ;)

He's just jealous!

L8R

I love me some college girls! Actually I've only eyes for ONE college girl.


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I Saw Something The Other Day That Said You Can Add This Glue (or Whatever) And Some New Rim Strips And Convert Your Regular Rims And Tires To Tubeless.it Was Somewhere On Mtb Review .cant Remember Specifically,any Way Is This Bunk Or Is It Possible?it Was $57 Plus S/h And You Could Order Extra Goo(whatever That Stuff That Sticks To The Tire And Rim Is).that Price Would Do 2 Wheels.is This Too Good To Be True Or Can We Count On It Working?

www.notubes.com


That Stan's Tubeless system has been recieving rave reviews. From what I've heard it's a great system.

I Found It .it Is Called Notubes. Notubes.com
Anybody Ever Try It Or Anything Like It?it Sounds Too Good To Be True.i Dont Know Enough About Computers To Bring The Sight Here Like I See Some Do Thats Why I Gave Address.supposedly No Pinchflats On These Either.i Just Got A Set Of Sun Ds 2 Rims And Its Kind Of Hard To Change Tires So Im Looking For A Way To Decrease Flats.i Have To Use My Tirestik Cuz Regular Levers Break.my Wtb Rims Needed No Lever To Remove And Install So Its New To Me.any Feedback Would Be Appreciated,even Negative(ha Ha)

i'm Always Skeptical Of Anything That mba Writes Something Good About, Then You See A Big Ad On For The Same Thing On The Next Page.

i Mean What's The Point? aren't You Trying To Save Weight With Tubeless Anyway?

I Found It .it Is Called Notubes. Notubes.com
Anybody Ever Try It Or Anything Like It?

It does sound to good to be true, but a guy I ride with uses the notubes system, and loves it. He's not had a problem, and now can run low psi just like the rest of us tubeless peeps. If you don't want to make the investment in new wheels (or already have a nice set), the notubes system may be the thing for you.

im trying to save flats so i can ride more walk less.more time on the trail less time in the pits fighting with patches, tubes, co2, pumps,levers ,etc.i have light tires but get more flats than i want although i have not had one sice putting on new wheels

I shouldn'T reallY givE a responsE, sincE I haven'T useD iT myselF, buT I diD usE slimE onE timE, goT jusT aS manY flatS theY werE jusT aloT messieR tO fiX.

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cool!i just got a new set of wheels ds2 w/xt am real happy with them and would not like to change till i break these too.low psi sounds great.it is so frigging muddy here all year.i love mud but need good traction without flats.i run about 25psi now

hey how did you do that wwwnotubes.com with a line under it to access the sight direct thing?i did it by accident on another thread and have no clue how.or does bike forums do it automatically?

I shouldn'T reallY givE a responsE, sincE I haven'T useD iT myselF, buT I diD usE slimE onE timE, goT jusT aS manY flatS theY werE jusT aloT messieR tO fiX.

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hey how did you do that wwwnotubes.com with a line under it to access the sight direct thing?i did it by accident on another thread and have no clue how.or does bike forums do it automatically?



It does it automatically. Just enter the text like you would in your browser to visit any website.


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