Foo - See you all on the road!

Well, I thought that it was worth working with the moderators on this forum after being given a "final warning", but after my last post was removed (and it wasn't offensive in any way, I might add), I've decided that it just isn't worth staying here any longer.

When I first found this site, I thought "hey, that's a really nice idea"! It still is, but unfotunately, my opinions and occasionally abrasive demeanor doesn't fit in with the ministry of cycling's soma-induced idea of what this forum is supposed to be (note, this is a reference to Orwell). Rather than get into a protracted battle with one moderator, I've decided to simply leave.

FWIW, I've seen a lot of bad advice given to people who come on here with questions, and most of that bad advice comes from people who know nothing about what they are saying. And many of them will blindly challenge me when I tell them so. In the end, this serves nobody well, least of them the original poster. On most sites, moderators will step in when bad advice is being given, rather than let erroneous advice get accepted. This, of course, requires that the moderator be knowlegable about bikes.

I've found that roadbikereview (http://www.roadbikereview.com/Discussionscrx.aspx) forums welcomes those who actually know and ride road bikes, and velonews forums (http://www.velonews.com/phorum3/list.php?f=2) are likewise inclined. In the future, that's where I'll be. If anybody has techinical questions in the future, you can use my e-mail link, since I won't be coming here anymore.

Adios, all, and good luck to most of you.

(P.S.: I won't be using Dave_Stohler there, as the name has already been taken. You'll just have to guess who is me)

See ya

One of the problems here is too many people think they know too much. And the people here are way too sensitive.

Kinda like any fourm you might go to.

Hey Dave!.....don't go!.......Pleeeeeeeeease!!!
You're the second one leaving in less than a week!

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

FWIW, I've seen a lot of bad advice given to people who come on here with questions, and most of that bad advice comes from people who know nothing about what they are saying. And many of them will blindly challenge me when I tell them so.

This happens on all forums and is part of reality.


On most sites, moderators will step in when bad advice is being given, rather than let erroneous advice get accepted. This, of course, requires that the moderator be knowlegable about bikes.

So,basically,you want moderators to spend all their time editing every post so no erroneous advice gets through? It sounds like you have an unrealistic expection of the internet and forums where folks like to get together and exchange ideas or shoot the breeze.

Hope you find what you're looking for.

Regards.

Too bad you are leaving, maybe contact Joe to see if you dispute with the moderator can be rectified. Personally, I like your posts and value your cycling knowledge.
Regards,
Gordon p

Having moderated at 3 different forums over the years(not bicycle related by the way but all 3 hugely popular)I know firsthand the ups and downs of moderating.

There are a few types of forum users(members)-

1. Hangs out, occasionally posts.

2. Hangs out, posts a lot.

3. Just lurks, seldom posts.

4. Hangs out, posts in nearly every topic/thread.

5. A specific user, hangs out and posts only in his/her favorite area of interest and seldom looks at any other areas.

6. The whistle-blower, feels that the forum is somehow made better by their own particular brand of censorship and morals. Usually PM's the mods 5-10 times per day pointed out 'offensive' posts.

7. The ultra-sensitive type, they flame but cannot get flamed, they make vast assumptions in their opinions but get seriously bent when someone makes even the slightest call about them.

8. The hardcore forum person, they post, they read, they enjoy, they turn off their box at the end of the day and go to bed.

Mods take on 3 types...

1. The Adult-he/she pretty much lets anything slide unless it's a major personal/racial attack or links to porn or cracked software.

2. The Teen-he/she isn't sure when or where to get into the fray-they ask The Adult mod a lot of questions about when to pounce etc... but they get influenced by the Whistle-Blower's endless PM's and corrupted by the next catagory of mod.

3. The Crusader-he/she may start out pure and with good intentions but eventually they feel just a little better than the forum members, just a bit more powerful and rightious. They listen to the Whistle-Blower and The Ultra-Sensitive types. The are alarmed by virtually everything. They feel they are doing good to great work... someone has to after all!! They clean and purge and make safe their beloved forum. They generally are cliquish and post in a self-effacing manner about everything except when they've had to throw down the gauntlet on filth, smut and member unrest. They are harsh verbally but in a subdued tone with lots of smilies. The Crusader may consider changing their plans in the non-cyber world(cancel a dinner, a movie engagement, etc)to "be at home" to keep an eye on things-after all, why not?... there could be some "action" that needs their swift and decisive retribution. They're unpaid but real champions of The Cause!

I was The Adult and 90% of the members loved me because I let them figure out their own battles... I was depised by The Whistle-Blower, Ultra-Sensitive's and amoung mods-all liked me except the Godly and Mystical Crusader.

For the record , Soma is in fact a reference to the book Brave New World by Aldous Huxley and not Orwell's 1984.

For the record , Soma is in fact a reference to the book Brave New World by Aldous Huxley and not Orwell's 1984.
A fitting end...

hey Istanbul_Tea, that's a pretty interesting overview. I'm always fascinated by the patterns people with experience can discern, patterns which are not at all obvious to the inexperienced.

in fact, I was talking about that with a buddy of mine tonight, over dinner. there're certain things I can spot which I know for a fact that other people can't, and there's things my friend knows about human nature from years of being a pharmacist, etc.

it's definitely something that should be collected in a book ...

-alex.

Well, if being listed in the "members" roster is any sort of a clue, Dave Stohler is still around!

No need to leave, Dave.

I think he made his point- he's leaving.

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