Recreational & Family - Neighborhood Kids and Helmets

Since I became a grandpa when I was only 42, I figured I would fix that for ya.

I was hoping not to have to worry about that for another 15? years anymore. The way kids are now, I'm not even sure when to start kicking.

why is there a line in the sand about helemt ir you wear one you are a safety nazi unwilling to leae the comfort of a video game. to OMG you let you kids ride without a helemt. are you abasentee parent.

that is what this has become.

My kid wears a helmet as do I . I have 2 golden rules:
We can do risky things as long as we understand all the dangers, acknowldge them and mitigate what we can.
We have to think more than we play.

This includes swimming hiking sparring biking and anything else we decide to do.

before you go calling people sheep becuase they take a precaution that you precive as irrational, think about who you are talking to.
we as a whole let our kids take more risk then the general population.
OMG you rode with him on a TAB n the raod with no car seat and airbags?
I do know for a fact than when my son went down his helmet saved him for a far more serious injury.
However when other parents see him put on GLOVES there are all wow isnt that cute. Then i tell them that his gloves save him FAR more often than his helmet. and then the light goes on.
maybe i should take those away from him also so i am not a sheep for someone that is too stuck in there point of view to see anothers.

-sigh-

The data I asked for does not exist, on that site or anywhere else.... please provide a direct link to the specific study.Well, I can refer you to peer-reviewed scientific articles.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3606780
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8437084
http://www.jtrauma.com/pt/re/jtrauma/abstract.00005373-199507000-00004.htm;jsessionid=L1cG1pQK2wL0L11VBgBYpF0xn8VNWgpV9DhGvFGZr9My7rJC910G!-406629960!181195629!8091!-1 (http://www.jtrauma.com/pt/re/jtrauma/abstract.00005373-199507000-00004.htm;jsessionid=L1cG1pQK2wL0L11VBgBYpF0xn8VNWgpV9DhGvFGZr9My7rJC910G%21-406629960%21181195629%218091%21-1)
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/110/5/e60

I like these last two.

http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0022346800151656
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1118836

I am sure you will discount this, because with such studies you can find a counter
argument - that is the scientific way after all.

There is this too...

http://www.erso.eu/knowledge/Fixed/40_Pedestrians/Ref.%2054%20Helmets.pdf


I suppose this won't do anything for you, in fact, I have now changed my mind.
I am taking off the helmet, unbuckling the car seat, removing the air-bags, not bothering
with the restraint on the roller coaster, smoking, disconnecting the ground fault protection
circuit on the house, and burn'n an oil fire in the backyard..... after all we've all survived
that so far, so it must be the safer macho thing to do.... baabaabaa.


Dr. Joe

I'm sure you don't care, because like most you're relying on your "common sense", but you might want to do some research on death and injury rates.

The existence of greater dangers in the world is irrelevant to the issue of wearing a bike helmet. My grandson can swim, he wears a seatbelt in the car, he avoids transfats and Fox News, and he wears a helmet on his bike.

My grandson can swim, he wears a seatbelt in the car, he avoids transfats and Fox News, and he wears a helmet on his bike.

But does he wear one in the shower, and more importantly DO YOU?

Yet you failed to answer my question. How did we all manage to survive? Indeed, is there some epidemic of kids getting killed in the other parts of the world, where cycling helmets are rarely used, that we are not aware of? If not, how are all those kids managing to survive?

Show me some data that shows the fatality rate among children as a whole is reduced by mandating that they wear bicycle helmets, otherwise you are arguing from emotion and fear...not facts.

Yes, a helmet provides better protection than no helmet...that is a no-sh!t item...but that no-sh!t item applies to just about any endeavor, including walking. The issue is whether there is a great risk of head injury to be protected from...and there is zero, zilch, nada, zippo data that kids are at any greater risk of head injury on their bikes than they are doing other things kids do, climbing trees, playing on roofs, etc.

So if you want your kid to wear a helmet...cool, you're the parent, you do what you think is right...but if you want to start mandating crap for others, you better have some good data that not only supports your solution, but supports the notion that a problem even exists that needs solving.

SHOW ME THE DATA!


after linking to the above studies. this post fails

The existence of greater dangers in the world is irrelevant to the issue of wearing a bike helmet. My grandson can swim, he wears a seatbelt in the car, he avoids transfats and Fox News, and he wears a helmet on his bike.

It's not irrelevant in the decision to make them mandatory.

Some of you seem to be under the impression that I care what you do. I couldn't care less. The only thing I care about is that some people have chosen to impose their will on my life. My comments regarding other risks are to demonstrate that lawmakers (and most of the general public) are incapable of prioritizing risks.

You will have to look long and hard to find someone advocating that other people NOT wear helmets. Noone's threatening your rights of people who choose to wear a helmet. Why you're so defensive about it is beyond me.

after linking to the above studies. this post fails

And again, your reading comprehension fails. Go compare the injury rates to other activities and get back to us - hopefully not with a law mandating helmets while climbing trees.

It's not irrelevant in the decision to make them mandatory.

Some of you seem to be under the impression that I care what you do. I couldn't care less. The only thing I care about is that some people have chosen to impose their will on my life. My comments regarding other risks are to demonstrate that lawmakers (and most of the general public) are incapable of prioritizing risks.

You will have to look long and hard to find someone advocating that other people NOT wear helmets. Noone's threatening your rights of people who choose to wear a helmet. Why you're so defensive about it is beyond me.

My original post, which you attacked, didn't advocate helmet laws. I simply referred back to the OP's own view of the law as a motive for wearing her helmet to set a good example. So your post wasn't aimed at anyone who had "chosen to impose their will on [your] life." Furthermore, you specifically addressed how you would protect your daughter against other risks (as if wearing a helmet were inconsistent with protection against all risks), and by extension criticized my priorities for my grandson, and so your attack wasn't "to demonstrate that lawmakers (and most of the general public) are incapable of prioritizing risks." And as to looking for people who advocate not to wear a helmet, I don't have to look any further than this thread and every thread in this forum on the subject, the posters indirectly advocating against wearing helmets by calling helmet-wearers idiots, sheep, etc. BTW, standing my ground against a mindless attack isn't defensiveness.

And again, your reading comprehension fails. Go compare the injury rates to other activities and get back to us - hopefully not with a law mandating helmets while climbing trees.you lack of understanding of physics fails.

A: treess do not move.
B there is only one person climbing a tree

If you where to take you tree reference of tree climbing to the logical conclusion you would have to have another person involved that could intentionally or not kill you.
the equivalent of cycling is not climbing trees. it is climbing trees in the middle of an active lumber jacking site. would you do that. and if so would you do with no protection at all. gloves of otherwise.
explain how my reading comprehension fails?


BTW you might what to check this post out.
http://jrmints.com/blog/
Mmmmm how would your skull handle that windshield.? Since you are very hardheaded i would expect you would be ok.