Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) - my never be off clydes....

I am not discouraged I am not giving up but i wonder if there is a weight that a person should just be at?

my diet:
Bagel w chreem cheese
can of Cambellls soup
dinner can very and my dinner serving size is a bit large.
popcorn or peanuts for a snack.

My routine:
Monday ride to Y 3 mile o/w round trip 8-12 mins, lift wieights arms military press bench press curls and ab work, Ride to karate 5 mile o/w 15 mins. light technique and forms no cardio.
Tuesday ride to y swim 600 yards
Wednesday ride to Y 3 mile o/w round trip 8-12 mins, lift wieights arms military press bench press curls and ab work, Ride to karate 5 mile o/w 15 mins. light technique and forms no cardio.
Thrusday ride to y swim 600 yards, drive to karate fight for 1 hour. extreme cardio.
Friday if i am not hurt from the fight ( I get hurt once every couple of months) ride to Y 3 mile o/w round trip 8-12 mins, lift wieights arms military press bench press curls and ab work, Ride to karate 5 mile o/w 15 mins. light technique and forms no cardio.
Sunday club ride 15 - 20 miles with TAB and boy on the back. 30 -50 without the kid.

Still at 205 and holding.

Am i just at the weight my body wants to be at? am i doing something wrong? I am definatly losing the pear shape. I can't add weight due to my shoulder wont support more than 100 lbs repeatedly for lifts. (yeah that as from a fight)

You're at a weight your body is comfortable at right now. It's called a set point.....your body has been there before. It'll break out of it eventually. Try varying the intensity and routine of your workouts....add a little periodization, as our bodies will adapt to a regular exercise schedule and the only way to beat a plateau is to stress the body in ways it isn't familiar with.

I am not discouraged I am not giving up but i wonder if there is a weight that a person should just be at?

my diet:
Bagel w chreem cheese
can of Cambellls soup
dinner can very and my dinner serving size is a bit large.
popcorn or peanuts for a snack.

My routine:
Monday ride to Y 3 mile o/w round trip 8-12 mins, lift wieights arms military press bench press curls and ab work, Ride to karate 5 mile o/w 15 mins. light technique and forms no cardio.
Tuesday ride to y swim 600 yards
Wednesday ride to Y 3 mile o/w round trip 8-12 mins, lift wieights arms military press bench press curls and ab work, Ride to karate 5 mile o/w 15 mins. light technique and forms no cardio.
Thrusday ride to y swim 600 yards, drive to karate fight for 1 hour. extreme cardio.
Friday if i am not hurt from the fight ( I get hurt once every couple of months) ride to Y 3 mile o/w round trip 8-12 mins, lift wieights arms military press bench press curls and ab work, Ride to karate 5 mile o/w 15 mins. light technique and forms no cardio.
Sunday club ride 15 - 20 miles with TAB and boy on the back. 30 -50 without the kid.

Still at 205 and holding.

Am i just at the weight my body wants to be at? am i doing something wrong? I am definatly losing the pear shape. I can't add weight due to my shoulder wont support more than 100 lbs repeatedly for lifts. (yeah that as from a fight)

A friend of mine is a nutritionist and personal trainer. He once said that if you stay at the set point, it simply means your body is telling you something...

I wouldnt really worry about it too much. Every person has a certain weight they will never be under, some are higher then others. Weight really is just a number, it sounds like you have a pretty active life and its quite possible that 205 is your natural weight. Unfortunately i dont think you will drop much more based on what you have told us, hoever you can tone what you do have.

Just tone up what you can and enjoy being a clydesdale, a healthy one.

I see myself in your same situatition when i drop 60 lbs, i doubt i will ever dip below 200, just a large frame.

I'm in the same boat (but female), so I sympathize and am interested in the answer(s).

In addition to what people have said, I have heard that one solution is that some people who eat too low calorie get stuck. (I'm sure that's not my problem! :p) You might do well to count calories more closely and have a good idea of what your basal metabolic rate is so you can figure out what deficit you need to lose slowly.

Also depends on how long you've been doing your routine. The weight loss can take a bit to kick in.

(Some details on my plateau: Started at 200, lost 25. Am stuck within 2-3 pounds of 175 either way now. Have been since August 2007. Originally I cooked low fat and low sugar home meals and snacked on fruits and veggies. Allowed myself one day of cheating a week, but no more than about 500 calories worth of whatever (like a small sundae or something). I felt AMAZING! Then I think the low-fat and low-sugar started slipping. I find eating less than about 1700-1800 calories a day really frustrating because I get SO frippin' hungry. I lost by eating maybe 1700-1800. Fit Day shows my avg to be about 1745 per day over those months of losing, but I was not exercising as intensely as I am now. I'm having trouble sticking to that. My exercise log shows about 6-7 hours of exercise most weeks over the last 6 weeks, and now I'm probably eating 2000 cals. a day. Any less than that and I poop out on my weekend rides. For my height, my BMI is just on borderline between overweight and obese, and that can't be good. But at least I'm not gaining.)

A friend of mine is a nutritionist and personal trainer. He once said that if you stay at the set point, it simply means your body is telling you something...


Please translate what our bodies are telling all of us who have plateaued. :p:lol:

500 miles/month (or more)
I watch my food intake and don't eat a fast-food/junk-food diet
I quit drinking
I quit smoking
I still weigh 235 - 240 pounds, and I've just quit caring about that number. I cranked out a sub 8:30 time for a 200km ride last weekend, so I'm pretty sure my weight isn't a limiting factor on my riding. :)

Please translate what our bodies are telling all of us who have plateaued. :p:lol:

They're saying *$&% you! HAHAHAHAHA!

At least, mine is.

for you clydes that want a comparison.. I am wroking my body not so much for cycleing but for martial arts. I just love cyce`ling but I do NOT want the roadie physique. unless that roadie is Jan Ulrich.http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=fighter.allfighters

Alot of these guys are clydes but definatly not outta shape.
(clydes click on tab to the right after your comprision)
So yes i can be happy at 5'11'' 205

Shoot i would be a stick at 205..how long you have you been doing martial arts...ive always wanted to get into kung-fu and have always thought i was too big for any type of this activity. Im 330 ish and 6 foot 2

the clydish guy in our dojo is 6'3 and 300ish? ??? +- 20 he just lost 40 lbs ina month with a lap band.

The other "cyldes" in our dojo are 6'6'' and 225 and 22. he is like fighting an oak tree. The others at 5'8'' and 250 both black belts and one is a junior Sensai.

I have been at it for 1 year and I am a purple belt in Sholin Kenpo karate.

the clydish guy in our dojo is 6'3 and 300ish? ??? +- 20 he just lost 40 lbs ina month with a lap band.

The other "cyldes" in our dojo are 6'6'' and 225 and 22. he is like fighting an oak tree. The others at 5'8'' and 250 both black belts and one is a junior Sensai.

I have been at it for 1 year and I am a purple belt in Sholin Kenpo karate.

The lowest I've gotten is 230 in recent years. I was riding to class 10mi/day, riding the trail 10-15mi every 2 or 3 days. I consumed 2000 calories a day, low fat, no sugar and no soda. I was also studying Aikido 5-6 days a week.
I tried "super-loading" where you take 2 weeks and consume double your calories and then go back down to 25% higher than normal intake. Still stuck solid at 230 (maybe 228).

So now I've got 115 lbs to go to get back to more "ideal" weight.

my diet:
Bagel w chreem cheese
can of Cambellls soup
dinner can very and my dinner serving size is a bit large.
popcorn or peanuts for a snack.



St0ut,

Exercise looks good but dude, you gotta do something about that diet. If that's a typical day of eating, no wonder you're stuck. That bagel with cream cheese isn't doing you any good in the morning (hopefully a whole grain bagel at least). Cambell's soup? Is that lunch? You workout a lot and you need to fuel those workouts. Each meal and snack should have good sources of lean protein, healthy carbs and good fats. This is particularly true when you hit a plateau. It's probably not that you're eating too much, you just need to eat better.

Michael

well, back when i was in the military they said my ideal weight is 185, but I was 185 when I was in 6th grade, so i knew that would never happen. Even as a physical fitness leader for my squad and scoring perfect on my PT tests and running a 5k everyday and a 10k on saturdays (sundays off), I still was between 195-205 no matter what my diet was.

I guess the 195-205 is my healthy range (I am a bit more muscular than most to begin with) and when you add a few extra pounds of fat to my frame I average in the 215-220 range.

So of us are just built bigger than the "average" person. That's just part of life and the variety of it. Just like animals, all are not created equal. Personally, I think the really obese folks have issues whether mental or sometimes physical. I know even with my bum leg (from my 2nd tour in Iraq) I gained a lot after not being able to work out, but even with a bum leg I still manage to ride and get around on a short walk. Those couch potatoes that just shove 'crap' in and complain about being over weight and use an excuse like it running in their family or a certain condition are generally full of it. I know some folks actually have conditions, but the majority are just full of it.

oh and yes, your diet sucks, need to improve upon it.

my diet:
Bagel w chreem cheese
can of Cambellls soup
dinner can very and my dinner serving size is a bit large.
popcorn or peanuts for a snack.


What do you drink? This is extremely important.

I've joined Weight Watchers and it really jump started my weight loss and I'm eating more now more than every before. I'm just eating the right foods. This is also key. Eating the right combination of foods will help your body work more efficiently.

Good luck!

Best,
Brian

St0ut,

Exercise looks good but dude, you gotta do something about that diet. If that's a typical day of eating, no wonder you're stuck. That bagel with cream cheese isn't doing you any good in the morning (hopefully a whole grain bagel at least). Cambell's soup? Is that lunch? You workout a lot and you need to fuel those workouts. Each meal and snack should have good sources of lean protein, healthy carbs and good fats. This is particularly true when you hit a plateau. It's probably not that you're eating too much, you just need to eat better.

Michael

:thumb:

There does seem to be alot of sodium in your diet, the body retains more water then it needs to to dilute sodium. Campbells soup has a lot of sodium along with the popcorn or peanuts (if they are salted). Keep an eye on your sodium intake and i bet youll see a few LB's drop off, wont be a very big change but over a couple weeks might give you five lb's or so.
Also with the amount of work your doing your lunch of soup is probably a little light and therefore leading to your large dinner. You eat your large dinner later in the day leaving your body less time to use the energy before storing it as fat. I would suggest eating more at lunch breakfast and cutting back a bit at dinner. As Americans we have socialized the food process. We emphisize dinner as "very important" but we do this becuase it is the most social meal we eat family gatherings, dates, eating out, it's all focused around dinner and we tend to overeat becuase of this.

To add to what's been posted above, it seems like you're not getting a lot of nutrition for the calories. The peanuts are the most nutritious thing I see on your list. I also don't like the idea of a dinner that's "a bit large". There's an old saying: breakfast like a king, dine like a merchant, sup like a pauper. It works pretty well. Get better nutrition for breakfast and lunch, eat very moderate amounts of nutritious snacks in between, and eat a light but nutritious dinner.

Best of luck, st0ut. I've been stuck at 205 since the end of January. Making the effort to count calories is extremely worthwhile- it should make it clear where the excess calories are coming from. (My downfall: beer on the weekends. :D)

One thing I've learned is that as I close in on my "ideal" weight, I can't make the huge changes in diet I could when I was 285lbs. I need to make small, consistent, long term changes and patiently await the results.

St0ut,

Exercise looks good but dude, you gotta do something about that diet. If that's a typical day of eating, no wonder you're stuck. That bagel with cream cheese isn't doing you any good in the morning (hopefully a whole grain bagel at least). Cambell's soup? Is that lunch? You workout a lot and you need to fuel those workouts. Each meal and snack should have good sources of lean protein, healthy carbs and good fats. This is particularly true when you hit a plateau. It's probably not that you're eating too much, you just need to eat better.

Michael

I forget to eat sometimes.. or between the kids work ... just fast and not tooo bad. but yeah its something i should look at.

What do you drink? This is extremely important.

I've joined Weight Watchers and it really jump started my weight loss and I'm eating more now more than every before. I'm just eating the right foods. This is also key. Eating the right combination of foods will help your body work more efficiently.

Good luck!

Best,
Brian

Water / propel coffee black tea at night herbal no suger. 1 or 2 can of diat coke but i really try to aviod that

I am also stuck at 205, however I have been at 190 in the past two years, and it felt great. My problem is that the more I ride, the more I justify my love for pizza. Crust, breads and cereals group - check. Tomato sauce and veggies, fruits and vegetables group - check. Chicken, sometimes pepperoni, meat group - check. A glass of milk, dairy group - check.

I just eat too much of it - I can kill a large pizza in about 15 minutes. My theory is that once at the set point, you don't necessarily need to starve your body, but gradually reduce calorie consumption by about 100 calories a day for a week without changing your riding habit. Be sure not to overdo it by burning too many more calories than you take in. Your body will adjust, and soon will be used to smaller portions, more efficiently burning your 'fuel.'

And stop drinking soda, unless it is soda water. That stuff does not help break on through the barrier.

my diet:
Bagel w chreem cheese
can of Cambellls soup
dinner can very and my dinner serving size is a bit large.
popcorn or peanuts for a snack.Do you have any idea what the total calorie count for that is? Try adding it all up, so that you can see what's really going on. You don't give any details, so nobody else can give you an estimate...you'll have to figure it out for yourself, but you can find a lot of information online. The bagel and the peanuts could very well account for a difference of a pound or more a week all by themselves. And who knows what's in those "large" servings for dinner! If you burn more calories than you eat, you'll lose weight...if you eat more than you burn, you'll gain. You seem to be balanced...try eating a little less; maybe cut out the popcorn and peanuts.

yes the sugars in the soda go straight to fat and that is not good. Also, if you drink beer get the "diet" / light stuff. I know it sucks but if you want to get that few extra pounds off that is what you have to do. Me I just saw f' it and drink a heffewiesen or pilsner instead of the light stuff.

I gave up drinking alcohoil when i started fighting. actaully about 3 weeks after i started fighting. getting hit in the face cause you had a beer the night before is a great way to limit your beer intake. :) now i may have a beer or a glass of wine once a month.
Calories for the bagel and creem cheese 200, can of soup, and prolly 800 for dinner.

My plan:
Contiune worksouts as is.
Change up brekfast I stated this today. 1 pounched egg with i slice of cheese and toast. or oatmeal with milk, banana. today was the egg. and then i found out i relly need to get better at cooking poached eggs.
lunch will be a wrap / salad / soup or sushidepending on the day.
Dinner will be what ever we are having. But using the kids plate for my meal as well. eat till i see the Hello Kitty / spiderman.
load up on tea at night.

my weigh in is tommorrow at the Y i only do it once a week to eliminate variable swing daily.

the sad part is that we are REALLY trying. we excersise wath waht we eat. we are doing all the right things.
The people that DONT think about it and dont excersie they truly have the deck stacked agaisnt them. As the supermarket is not an easy place to eat heathy.

Water / propel coffee black tea at night herbal no suger. 1 or 2 can of diat coke but i really try to aviod that

Water is important. They recently reported on my local news that the "8 glasses of water a day" really isn't needed and doesn't provide any benefit. I strongly disagree with this report. I would recommend a minimum of 8 glasses a day to the average person, however, for those who are excessively active I feel 8 glasses a day just doesn't even come close.

Best,
Brian

Your new diet description looks good.

Protein intake should be higher than first diet indicated. Evening meal balance with greens, meat/fish, and go lighter on starches. Rice, white potatoes, noodles, and white breads, will easliy counter act every thing down correctly the previous 10 hours.

I learned the hard way, meal skips were damaging to health, and were also cause of weight gain.

As a diabetic (type 2) watching carb intake, is critical for me, and portion control the two factors I MUST watch.

Also water intake, often when you think you are hungry, you may really be thirsty, I started, taking a 8 oz of water prior to eating, found (my wife observed) I have been snacking less, and satisfied with smaller servings, (at least no seconds). (actually she thought I did not like her cooking any more!)

Avoid drinking your calories is also another good rule to follow, chewing intake may prep body better as to what to expect.

Keep up the effort, benifits to numerous to list...

the sad part is that we are REALLY trying. we excersise wath waht we eat. we are doing all the right things.
The people that DONT think about it and dont excersie they truly have the deck stacked agaisnt them. As the supermarket is not an easy place to eat heathy.


I so hear you on that!!. Don't forget all the time on the job and the time spent with the family which makes it more difficult to exercise regularly. Combine that with an aging body that doesn't seem to want to let go of those pounds the way it used;) I'm down close to 35 lbs this year but I've had to be so disciplined. Keep up the fight. As they say, "losing weight is simple....it just isn't easy":)

Michael